NationStates Jolt Archive

Every four years we get the same schtick... republicans accuse voter registration drives of fraud... why? Because the majority of those new voters, young people and minorities, are likely to vote against them.

The accusations against ACORN (remarkably similar to unsubstantiated accusations leveled four years ago) are all over the news, I think FOX brings it up at least once an hour, largely due to the talking heads obsession with it.

The truth is any paid registration drive is gonna have fraudulent registrations, not due to any conspiracy on the part of the organization sponsoring, but because there we always be some asshole trying to get paid for work he didn't do. Responsible organizations, like ACORN, review packets and flag ones that seem suspicious, but by law they have to file them anyway. Virtually all the questionable registrations that are the focus of these sensationalized news reports were brought to the attention of athorities by ACORN themselve! Does that sound like the actions of a group trying to commit voter fraud?

I don't either side should yell too loudly about voter fraud... hanging chads and Diebold voting machines pre-filled with votes, anyone?

And for it to really be voter fraud, someone would actually have to try to vote using one of those falsified registrations...

FOX won't can't let this one go but refuses to tell the complete story.

And things like the circulating e-mails falsely telling people if they have outstanding traffic tickets they'll be arrested if they go to the polls get no coverage at all...

I don't think either side should yell too loudly about voter fraud... hanging chads and Diebold voting machines pre-filled with votes, anyone?

The Democrat motto: Vote early and often.

The Republican Motto: Republicans vote on Tuesday, Democrats vote on Wednesday.

The only good thing about American politics is that since both parties are equally corrupt and powerful, their cheating evens out. :)

I don't think either side should yell too loudly about voter fraud... hanging chads and Diebold voting machines pre-filled with votes, anyone?

What!? Politicians cheat and lie? Never...

Every four years we get the same schtick... republicans accuse voter registration drives of fraud... why? Because the majority of those new voters, young people and minorities, are likely to vote against them.

The accusations against ACORN (remarkably similar to unsubstantiated accusations leveled four years ago) are all over the news, I think FOX brings it up at least once an hour, largely due to the talking heads obsession with it.

The truth is any paid registration drive is gonna have fraudulent registrations, not due to any conspiracy on the part of the organization sponsoring, but because there we always be some asshole trying to get paid for work he didn't do. Responsible organizations, like ACORN, review packets and flag ones that seem suspicious, but by law they have to file them anyway. Virtually all the questionable registrations that are the focus of these sensationalized news reports were brought to the attention of athorities by ACORN themselve! Does that sound like the actions of a group trying to commit voter fraud?

And for it to really be voter fraud, someone would actually have to try to vote using one of those falsified registrations...

FOX won't can't let this one go but refuses to tell the complete story.

And things like the circulating e-mails falsely telling people if they have outstanding traffic tickets they'll be arrested if they go to the polls get no coverage at all...

It's all part of their cunning ACORN plan.

there IS voter registration fraud.

its a minor problem that causes no lasting damage to the fabric of democracy.

after all, the guy who registered 75 times is still only going to vote once. mickey mouse isnt going to show up at all.

what does damage democracy is supressing the vote by disallowing new voters registrations for minor errors and clogging up the polls on election day with massive numbers of people who have to cast provisional ballots.

the obama campaign sent a letter to the special investigator assigned to look into this acorn thing suggesting that he instead look into the bush administration teaming up with the mccain campaign to interfere with the elections by pushing this acorn bullshit.

Obviously the GOP isn't really worried about all the fake voter registrations that ACORN has amassed.

They are worried about the much greater number of perfectly legitimate voter registrations that ACORN has amassed. Because it's those voters who will hand this election to Obama.

Obviously the GOP isn't really worried about all the fake voter registrations that ACORN has amassed.

They are worried about the much greater number of perfectly legitimate voter registrations that ACORN has amassed. Because it's those voters who will hand this election to Obama.

It's been a standard technique of the Republican Party for a long time to reduce voter turnout; especially in areas that tend to be heavy on the opposition.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/obama.acorn/index.html

What exactly do they mean "criminalize political discourse"? It sounds like the Republicans want to complain about it, but don't want anyone to actually be held accountable. I'm confused. :confused:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/17/obama.acorn/index.html

What exactly do they mean "criminalize political discourse"? It sounds like the Republicans want to complain about it, but don't want anyone to actually be held accountable. I'm confused. :confused:The Dems want it to be turned over to special proseccutor because they know what the outcome will be, no directed effort of fraud, isolated incidences of falsified or duplicate registration by paid canvasers and exoneration of ACORN. The GOP wants to keep it in the forefront of the news and whine about dirty tactics and be able to wag their fingers with impunity. If it's investigated nonpartisanly before the election with the inevitable outcome all past incidences have had, they get a big "shut the hell up" and are made to look like whining idiots. McCains basically saying 'we should be able to point fingers without getting our hands slapped'.

I meant to start a topic like this. If the media is so left wing and is kissing Obama's ass so much, why the fuck arn't they denouncing the patently obvious hatchet job on ACORN and smoke screen being carried by the GOP to stop Democratic registration. The only way the GOP could make this more obvious is if they went on tv and said "We hate democracy." ACORN is an independent organization and does not register votes, it collects cards. In most of the places that ACORN is being charged with voter registration fraud for turning in fake registrations, they are legally obligated to turn in any cards they collect, obviously fraudulent or otherwise. The fact that those douchebags got the FBI involved should have been a warning bell to the Obama campaign to go public in support of ACORN/independent voter registration collectors and attack the GOP slander machine.

The only people breaking the law are the GOP by purging voters from the records for supposedly being fraudulently registered. I would put all my money on those voters being Democrat or Independent.

I meant to start a topic like this. If the media is so left wing and is kissing Obama's ass so much, why the fuck arn't they denouncing the patently obvious hatchet job on ACORN and smoke screen being carried by the GOP to stop Democratic registration. The only way the GOP could make this more obvious is if they went on tv and said "We hate democracy." ACORN is an independent organization and does not register votes, it collects cards. In most of the places that ACORN is being charged with voter registration fraud for turning in fake registrations, they are legally obligated to turn in any cards they collect, obviously fraudulent or otherwise. The fact that those douchebags got the FBI involved should have been a warning bell to the Obama campaign to go public in support of ACORN/independent voter registration collectors and attack the GOP slander machine.

The only people breaking the law are the GOP by purging voters from the records for supposedly being fraudulently registered. I would put all my money on those voters being Democrat or Independent.

Greg Palast (and his research in The Best Democracy Money Can Buy) agrees with you. 57,700 voters purged in Florida (voters who WERE disenfranchised for felonies in other states but reinstated after serving their sentences and then moved to Florida -- Jeb Bush knew that was illegal, but contracted Choice Point DBT aka Diebold to do it anyway) would have made the difference.

Some fraud is more fraudy than others.

It really highlights two opposing docturns for victory.

One side says if we can just get more people to vote we can win.

The other side says if we can just keep more people from voting we can win.



Who do you trust?

It really highlights two opposing docturns for victory.

One side says if we can just get more people to vote we can win.

The other side says if we can just keep more people from voting we can win.



Who do you trust?

Joe The Plumber.

Joe The Plumber.There's one sorry SOB who probably wishes he'd kept his mouth shut and stayed home.

Now the whole country knows he doesn't have a plumbing license and he owes back taxes...

Joe The Plumber.

About ten seconds of research proved that we can't even trust HIM.

Every four years we get the same schtick... republicans accuse voter registration drives of fraud... why? Because the majority of those new voters, young people and minorities, are likely to vote against them.

The accusations against ACORN (remarkably similar to unsubstantiated accusations leveled four years ago) are all over the news, I think FOX brings it up at least once an hour, largely due to the talking heads obsession with it.

The truth is any paid registration drive is gonna have fraudulent registrations, not due to any conspiracy on the part of the organization sponsoring, but because there we always be some asshole trying to get paid for work he didn't do. Responsible organizations, like ACORN, review packets and flag ones that seem suspicious, but by law they have to file them anyway. Virtually all the questionable registrations that are the focus of these sensationalized news reports were brought to the attention of athorities by ACORN themselve! Does that sound like the actions of a group trying to commit voter fraud?
They're sowing the seeds of their victory by attacking ACORN, in order to grow a stable base tree for the economy, to create a truly nutty future!

There's one sorry SOB who probably wishes he'd kept his mouth shut and stayed home.

Now the whole country knows he doesn't have a plumbing license and he owes back taxes...

About ten seconds of research proved that we can't even trust HIM.

I wonder if McCain feels at all guilty about destroying a man's life. :tongue:

The Republican Motto: Republicans vote on Tuesday, Democrats vote on Wednesday.


Might explain the Obama/Biden Tee-shirt I got, it tells very plainly to vote on November 4th. LOL

I wonder if McCain feels at all guilty about destroying a man's life. :tongue:

If he doesn't feel guilty about portraying himself as something he's not (a "maverick", a naval war pilot with any kind of skill to put his aircraft into an unnatural attitude, a serious student at the Naval Academy, against evangelists -- no wait, FOR them)...why should Joe's life have any effect on him?

It's as predictable as the Democratic Candidate being called the "Anti-Christ" by Right wing churches.

Every four years we get the same schtick... republicans accuse voter registration drives of fraud... why? Because the majority of those new voters, young people and minorities, are likely to vote against them.

The accusations against ACORN (remarkably similar to unsubstantiated accusations leveled four years ago) are all over the news, I think FOX brings it up at least once an hour, largely due to the talking heads obsession with it.

The truth is any paid registration drive is gonna have fraudulent registrations, not due to any conspiracy on the part of the organization sponsoring, but because there we always be some asshole trying to get paid for work he didn't do. Responsible organizations, like ACORN, review packets and flag ones that seem suspicious, but by law they have to file them anyway. Virtually all the questionable registrations that are the focus of these sensationalized news reports were brought to the attention of athorities by ACORN themselve! Does that sound like the actions of a group trying to commit voter fraud?

http://www.connpost.com/ci_10661361?source=most_viewed

... I don't think that ACORN itself is doing it, but could there be a faction in ACORN that uses ACORN to do stuff like this? Absolutely.

I don't either side should yell too loudly about voter fraud... hanging chads and Diebold voting machines pre-filled with votes, anyone?
12 votes for President McCain.

Diebold voting machines pre-filled with votes, anyone?

Having worked with the Diebold devices...I must ask, how does one "pre-fill" them? To pull it off you need a significantly greater degree of technical sophistication than one would need to simply physically "stuff the ballot box", and you'd still need to overcome identical physical security hurdles?

Any sourcing on this?

but contracted Choice Point DBT aka Diebold to do it anyway) would have made the difference.



What, might I ask, does Choice Point have to do with Diebold?

It really highlights two opposing docturns for victory.

One side says if we can just get more people to vote we can win.

The other side says if we can just keep more people from voting we can win.



Who do you trust?

Neither. Although the first one is a better way to go about it...

I wonder if McCain feels at all guilty about destroying a man's life. :tongue:

No Mcain wouldn't feel guilty about devouring babies.

No Mcain wouldn't feel guilty about devouring babies.

So McCain made the guy work as a plumber without a license and not pay his taxes?
McCain didn't destroy the guys life, the only one responsible for that is the man himself.

There's one sorry SOB who probably wishes he'd kept his mouth shut and stayed home.

Now the whole country knows he doesn't have a plumbing license and he owes back taxes...

that's why he is voting McCain. He gets a license and exemption on his back taxes if McCain wins. the question is will obama match the offer?

that's why he is voting McCain. He gets a license and exemption on his back taxes if McCain wins. the question is will obama match the offer?

"I'll see your license and taxes, and raise you a healthcare!"

So McCain made the guy work as a plumber without a license and not pay his taxes?
McCain didn't destroy the guys life, the only one responsible for that is the man himself.

McCain brought him up. Before the debate, he was a slob in a video snippet.

McCain brought him up. Before the debate, he was a slob in a video snippet.

The man's problems are still of his own creation, if he had paid his taxes and gotten a license he wouldn't be having difficulties now.

Or if he hadn't lied about being a union member and about being in a position to buy a business and about how much profit that business would make, he wouldn't look so silly now.

One thing unions don't like is when you tell people you're a member and you're really not. They get all huffy.

"I'll see your license and taxes, and raise you a healthcare!"

Raise you 40 virgins in the afterlife

Raise you 40 virgins in the afterlife

Counter with the fact they're all 9-year-olds and Heaven doesn't allow pedophilia.