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So, I've decided to get licensed to carry a concealed firearm, something relatively simple in my state.

What have/would/do you carry, why did you choose it, and, if you don't carry, but have thoughts on concealed carry (for or against), please give your thoughts.


I'm presently leaning towards either an IMI Baby Desert Eagle, or a Beretta 90-Two. I'm torn between the low recoil and cheap practice ammo of 9mm as compared to the purportedly improved stopping power of the .40SW.

Your thoughts, NSG?

I'd go with a medium Glock. More importantly, I'd go with gun training and safety.

For myself, I'd rather carry a long rifle.

Nothing, I'm not afraid of my shadow.

So, I've decided to get licensed to carry a concealed firearm, something relatively simple in my state.

What have/would/do you carry, why did you choose it, and, if you don't carry, but have thoughts on concealed carry (for or against), please give your thoughts.


I'm presently leaning towards either an IMI Baby Desert Eagle, or a Beretta 90-Two. I'm torn between the low recoil and cheap practice ammo of 9mm as compared to the purportedly improved stopping power of the .40SW.

Your thoughts, NSG?
I had a CCW when I lived in the US. I can't think of many occasions I actually wandered about packing. I'd only do it when I was carrying my gun in my car for other reasons (going to the shooting range, going to my mom's house, ect). I didn't want to leave my gun in the car, I've got a freaking awesome pistol and I'd hate for it to be stolen. I wanted my CCW for those instances.

I'm in no way opposed to licensed people carrying their handguns with them. I really don't care what their reason is. The day there's a rash of random shootings by licensed indivuduals I might have to rethink my position.

I have a Russian-made Makarov 9 x 18.

I'd go with a medium Glock. More importantly, I'd go with gun training and safety.

For myself, I'd rather carry a long rifle.

I've had the state qualifier in another state, including safety, use of force law, etc, and can consistently score marksman or better. I don't expect substantial difficult satisfying the carry proficiency criteria where I'm at now.

As for the Glock, I've had a compact Model 30 (.45 acp) and a Model 24 (.40sw)...I like them, I think they're tremendously reliable, but I prefer the option for double action, and a thumb safety.

I'm not sure I'm yet fat enough to carry a long rifle concealed...although another six months of McNuggets...

Unfortunately, licensure for concealed carry in my state is limited to handguns.

Glocks not a bad choice, though.

Nothing, I'm not afraid of my shadow.

One time, my shadow made an aggressive move at me...I backed away slowly, but it persisted in approaching, despite repeated verbal warnings.

In fear of my life, I fired 3 shots, center mass, with little effect. I think what I need is one of those flashlight attachments for a shotgun. That would be better for anti-shadow defense.

I had a CCW when I lived in the US. I can't think of many occasions I actually wandered about packing. I'd only do it when I was carrying my gun in my car for other reasons (going to the shooting range, going to my mom's house, ect). I didn't want to leave my gun in the car, I've got a freaking awesome pistol and I'd hate for it to be stolen. I wanted my CCW for those instances.

I'm in no way opposed to licensed people carrying their handguns with them. I really don't care what their reason is. The day there's a rash of random shootings by licensed indivuduals I might have to rethink my position.

I have a Russian-made Makarov 9 x 18.

I've fired the Makarov; actually, an Eastern European made clone. I found the recoil a bit uncomfortable, even from a relatively light caliber, but the overall ergonomics are good, and for its size, I think it performs well. Plus, last I looked, they were fairly inexpensive, is that still true?

So, I've decided to get licensed to carry a concealed firearm, something relatively simple in my state.

What have/would/do you carry, why did you choose it, and, if you don't carry, but have thoughts on concealed carry (for or against), please give your thoughts.


I'm presently leaning towards either an IMI Baby Desert Eagle, or a Beretta 90-Two. I'm torn between the low recoil and cheap practice ammo of 9mm as compared to the purportedly improved stopping power of the .40SW.

Your thoughts, NSG?

I don't own a handgun. If I did, it would probably be something like my son's personal weapon - a 9mm Glock. When he was a cop, that's what he carried. Here's an article that might help - http://home.comcast.net/~petej/

(For once, I'm taking you seriously, please, oh please disillusion me).

I've fired the Makarov; actually, an Eastern European made clone. I found the recoil a bit uncomfortable, even from a relatively light caliber, but the overall ergonomics are good, and for its size, I think it performs well. Plus, last I looked, they were fairly inexpensive, is that still true?

I bought mine used for $150 from someone who thought it was a Belgium- made model. I reseached the markings and confirmed it with a gun shop however, it's a real Russian one. I'm not sure how much those go for in the US these days. I know they're a bit hard to come by.

Mine has about as much recoil as a Beretta 9mm. I know that all Makarov's aren't created equal. The Chinese ones are garbage.

I don't own a handgun. If I did, it would probably be something like my son's personal weapon - a 9mm Glock. When he was a cop, that's what he carried. Here's an article that might help - http://home.comcast.net/~petej/

(For once, I'm taking you seriously, please, oh please disillusion me).

Hm, from the link, it appears that the Springfield Armory XD pistol will chamber it.

These kinds of "exotic" (until widely accepted) rounds can be expensive to practice with, that would be the chief detraction.

I used to have an HK USP in .357SIG...it was a great round, but cost a lot for practice ammo.

A really interesting round to look at, though, I'll examine it further.

Oh, if you need me to be satirical, um....uh.......45 GAP is only one letter away from .45 GAY, so as a committed Christian, I can't carry a weapon like that.

I bought mine used for $150 from someone who thought it was a Belgium- made model. I reseached the markings and confirmed it with a gun shop however, it's a real Russian one. I'm not sure how much those go for in the US these days. I know they're a bit hard to come by.

Mine has about as much recoil as a Beretta 9mm. I know that all Makarov's aren't created equal. The Chinese ones are garbage.

That sounds like a great deal for a solid piece.

Maybe it was my big hands...the Makarov does a great job of filling the hand, compared to other sub-compacts, but it still jumps a bit too much for my taste.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if the Chinese made Maks aren't the greatest. I'm willing to put five or six hundred on this, and since I typically wear either a suit or sport jacket, I can carry something comparatively large.

I've had the state qualifier in another state, including safety, use of force law, etc, and can consistently score marksman or better. I don't expect substantial difficult satisfying the carry proficiency criteria where I'm at now.

Well that's good, it's kind of redundant what I said since probably every state that allows CCW requires some training if this gun nut state of TX does.

As for the Glock, I've had a compact Model 30 (.45 acp) and a Model 24 (.40sw)...I like them, I think they're tremendously reliable, but I prefer the option for double action, and a thumb safety.

Well to be honest, I think reliability is far more important in these cases. A lot of the fancy guns are more meant for soldiers.

I'm not sure I'm yet fat enough to carry a long rifle concealed...

Haha no, you obviously can't conceal a rifle. I was just saying I'd rather not carry concealed. I believe it's more of a liability than a help, but that's just me, and this is all theory either way.

One time, my shadow made an aggressive move at me...I backed away slowly, but it persisted in approaching, despite repeated verbal warnings.

In fear of my life, I fired 3 shots, center mass, with little effect. I think what I need is one of those flashlight attachments for a shotgun. That would be better for anti-shadow defense.

Quality.

Never have, never will, and have never felt the need to.

Why carry concealed? I live in Arizona. You can carry a machine gun around with you here and nobody'd care.
I know my dad takes a 9mm Beretta with him when they go out on Search and Rescue dealies. There's all sorts of nasty wildlife out there, and a rabies epidemic as well. Never know what you might run into if you're wandering around in the desert looking for lost people.

I carry concealed attack weasels. I conceal them in my pants. :D

I've never lived anywhere I've felt the need to carry a concealed weapon (except Iraq, but that's a special case) but what I wouldn't carry would be whatever the civilian version is of the Beretta M9. You're damned near better off throwing the damned thing at them.

I've never lived anywhere I've felt the need to carry a concealed weapon (except Iraq, but that's a special case) ...Wouldn't you be safer if it wasn't concealed in Iraq, though?

Why do you even need to carry a gun?

Why carry concealed? I live in Arizona. You can carry a machine gun around with you here and nobody'd care.

That's not true on 2 counts. For one, fully-automatics of any kind require a special license simply to own, and that's if the state allows it. They are HEAVILY restricted with various stuff. You'd have to find a really old one, one that was made before 1968, nobody sells these in their original state other than as overpriced curiosities. Not legally that is. I'm sure it's easy as hell to buy some cheap thing illegally, but you sure as hell won't get away with carrying it around like that without a hitch.

Which leads to the 2nd thing, even if it were legal and not a fully-automatic, you'll probably get at the very least detained if you get found by police carrying around a semi-automatic rifle in a public in the typical urban area. This shows you are crazy and while not technically illegal, you'd still get detained and perhaps even charged with some other thing.

You also have to be extremely careful to follow the rules or you'd get charged with a real crime. You can't go within certain [distance of] government buildings and schools while carrying these. That's how it is in TX anyways. Bottom line you're not going to get away with carrying stuff unhindered, often not even a handgun in view.

Wouldn't you be safer if it wasn't concealed in Iraq, though?

With pistols it doesn't really matter as it's assumed you're armed when you're wearing those goofy clothes we wear. Of course, I never have just a pistol when out doing things and rifles are rather more intimidating (despite what urban legend may say).

That's not true on 2 counts. For one, fully-automatics of any kind require a special license simply to own, and that's if the state allows it. They are HEAVILY restricted with various stuff. You'd have to find a really old one, one that was made before 1968, nobody sells these in their original state other than as overpriced curiosities. Not legally that is. I'm sure it's easy as hell to buy some cheap thing illegally, but you sure as hell won't get away with carrying it around like that without a hitch.

Which leads to the 2nd thing, even if it were legal and not a fully-automatic, you'll probably get at the very least detained if you get found by police carrying around a semi-automatic rifle in a public in the typical urban area. This shows you are crazy and while not technically illegal, you'd still get detained and perhaps even charged with some other thing.

You also have to be extremely careful to follow the rules or you'd get charged with a real crime. You can't go within certain [distance of] government buildings and schools while carrying these. That's how it is in TX anyways. Bottom line you're not going to get away with carrying stuff unhindered, often not even a handgun in view.

A license isn't required under federal law, it requires a tax stamp (you have to get one for every NFA item you purchase, such as SBRs, SBSs, suppressors, and select fire/full auto). Also, the cutoff for normal people to own select fire/full auto weapons is 1986, not 1968. Anything made after 1986 requires that the person be law enforcement or a Class 3 dealer.

So, I've decided to get licensed to carry a concealed firearm, something relatively simple in my state.

What have/would/do you carry, why did you choose it, and, if you don't carry, but have thoughts on concealed carry (for or against), please give your thoughts.


I'm presently leaning towards either an IMI Baby Desert Eagle, or a Beretta 90-Two. I'm torn between the low recoil and cheap practice ammo of 9mm as compared to the purportedly improved stopping power of the .40SW.

Your thoughts, NSG?

I honestly don't have much pistol experience, but of the 2 semi-autos that I've fired (both 9mm, owned by the person that taught the NRA pistol course I attended), I prefer the Beretta 92F over the Sig P22?.

A BlasTech DL-44.

And I'd shoot first.

A BlasTech DL-44.

And I'd shoot first.

/thread


Kat has schooled us all

When I go hiking or to a relatively bad area of town, I carry a Makarov PM. Feral dogs are a problem here, and I'd rather not get mobbed by them

A BlasTech DL-44.

And I'd shoot first.

Now that I think about it, I prefer my DL-18 better, more options for attachments and its cheaper by a long shot. Easier on the battery too.

/geek moment.

A .44 Magnum
and maybe have a little of it revealed
nobody would f**k with me

I'd carry around a Smith and Wesson magnum. That way, I could make dirty Harry jokes with my Friends.

"Go ahead, make my day"

P99 or maybe one of the newer 380's out there. After all we are talking about a CC, lets be practical..

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1378/658948819_1235db0f05.jpg?v=0

I suggest a CZ 75 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75).
CZ 75 P-01 product detail (http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=28)

Sawed-off. The sheer badassitude of this weapon has enough stopping power itself. Too bad you're allowed only handguns. :D

Either A Blunderbuss or a Nice little Pistol, you Know, one that can kill 12 in one shot... *sigh*

Of Course a bazoka or Howitzer would be nice, but I'm not putting on the Weight to conceal one of those!

My father in law has a 9mm Glock. I like it. It's a bit heavy though.....maybe they make a gun more suited to weak girls?

Sig-Sauer P239 if you have the money. It can be chambered in 9mm, 40 S&W or .357 Magnum. Converting to one or the other is relatively easy. It's also designed to be a concealed-carry gun.

Glocks are also fine. My brother's friend has a Baby Glock himself.

So what would the gunnies of NSG recommend for mr - I'm nearsighted, and have little chance to practice here in hoplophobic Japan.

I'm rather inclined towards shotguns to make up for my eyesight....

So when I move back to the US next year, what do ya'll recommend?

So what would the gunnies of NSG recommend for mr - I'm nearsighted, and have little chance to practice here in hoplophobic Japan.

I'm rather inclined towards shotguns to make up for my eyesight....

So when I move back to the US next year, what do ya'll recommend?

A flamethrower. Requires very little accuracy, produces light to help you see and lets you marvel at the ingenuity of people who wanted to set things on fire from across the street. :)

So what would the gunnies of NSG recommend for mr - I'm nearsighted, and have little chance to practice here in hoplophobic Japan.

I'm rather inclined towards shotguns to make up for my eyesight....

So when I move back to the US next year, what do ya'll recommend?

I recommend an RPG. Chances are that you'll hit something, even with your poor eyesight.:D

So what would the gunnies of NSG recommend for mr - I'm nearsighted, and have little chance to practice here in hoplophobic Japan.

I'm rather inclined towards shotguns to make up for my eyesight....

So when I move back to the US next year, what do ya'll recommend?Shotguns are not practical to carry, stick to a smaller caliber that doesn't kick too much, go with a double stack high capacity model and if you ever gotta use it just point and keep pulling the trigger.


And of course get the f**k out of there when everyone is ducking for cover...
The object of a defense weapon is not to kill the other guy, it's to keep you alive. Don't stick around and trade bullets, spray and bolt...

Get this....

http://www.redriverrenegades.com/CATALONIAN_FLINTLOCK_PISTOL_copy.gif

You can challenge people to duels if you demand satisfaction.

-snip-

banned in the UK.

If you can find one, buy a Star Firestar .45. Inexpensive, reliable, accurate, and a natural pointer. Downside: mags are expensive.

I am partial to the 1911-type .45s. I also like the Para-Ordinance Warthog and pretty much any commander-size 1911 from a reputable manufacturer.

If you can find one, buy a Star Firestar .45. Inexpensive, reliable, accurate, and a natural pointer. Downside: mags are expensive.

I am partial to the 1911-type .45s. I also like the Para-Ordinance Warthog and pretty much any commander-size 1911 from a reputable manufacturer.Over two pounds unloaded? We're talking concealed carry here not tactical.

Over two pounds unloaded? We're talking concealed carry here not tactical.

Wimp :p

It isn't that heavy, really. Honest. OK, maybe you're right. that weight helps control recoil, though. It's a good shooter.

If you want light weight and compact design, try the Warthog.

Get this....

http://www.redriverrenegades.com/CATALONIAN_FLINTLOCK_PISTOL_copy.gif

You can challenge people to duels if you demand satisfaction.

And you know what's best? Even in countries where you need a permit to own a gun, the gun control laws don't apply to these things :wink:

I had a CCW when I lived in the US. I can't think of many occasions I actually wandered about packing. I'd only do it when I was carrying my gun in my car for other reasons (going to the shooting range, going to my mom's house, ect)
The mind boggles...

A BlasTech DL-44.

And I'd shoot first.
Och, you beat me to it.

*grumbles furiously*

Wimp :p

It isn't that heavy, really. Honest. OK, maybe you're right. that weight helps control recoil, though. It's a good shooter.

If you want light weight and compact design, try the Warthog.It's more a law enforcement off duty carry. Hard to control and really more than you need for cc. You keep thinking tactical when all you want for most cc is something you can have just in case that isn't a burden to carry all the time. If it's a pain in the ass, you'll probably leave it at home. Remember you're not supposed to be looking for trouble, you just wanna have something in the unlikely event it looks for you. Most areas limit cc permits to people who carry cash or have other risks associated with daily routine. You wanna be able to carry your weapon easily and without alarming innocent people you encounter in your daily routine. It's a pain in the ass if you're getting stopped by uniforms with drawn guns every other day and having to show your permit because somebody noticed your cannon on your hip or in your shoulder holster in line at the grocery. Remember you're not packing for war, you just wanna be able to get 'em to duck and think while you high-tail it.

Sig-Sauer P239 if you have the money. It can be chambered in 9mm, 40 S&W or .357 Magnum. Converting to one or the other is relatively easy. It's also designed to be a concealed-carry gun.


This, since that way you have more choices for possible situations.

Or just go all out for a full .50 caliber Desert Eagle. You'd kill a freaking elephant with that, so not much of a need to aim on a human, so long as you hit them.

This, of course, is said with the caveat that one should never, ever use their firearm this way unless it is necessary to save lives and there is absolutely no other choice available.

A Henry Nock black powder pistol

The .475 Wildey (http://www.wildeyguns.com/wildey.html)

I like (and own) the M1911A1 .45 auto. Nothing fancy, nothing showy, no 'bling' or space -age ceramics or whatever the hell but it does get the job done and that's all you really need. The classics are classics for a reason, you know.

I do not use guns. Often I defuse a situation with my own calming voice and presence.

You're getting a gun? Look, I'm sorry about the dressing in drag bet, okay?

I do not use guns. Often I defuse a situation with my own calming voice and presence.

Mortals don't get Presence though ;)

I do not use guns. Often I defuse a situation with my own calming voice and presence.

That's great. But how will your techniques work when these (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=213597&kwtid=208239) get in your face?







































:D

That's how it is in TX anyways. Bottom line you're not going to get away with carrying stuff unhindered, often not even a handgun in view.

In Texas, baby bottles are required by law to be in the shape of a 6 shooter.

And you know what's best? Even in countries where you need a permit to own a gun, the gun control laws don't apply to these things :wink:

YES!!

*gloveslaps*

Sawed-off. The sheer badassitude of this weapon has enough stopping power itself. Too bad you're allowed only handguns. :D

In my country, there is a statutory minimum length for shotgun barrels, and I believe a minimum overall length.

Interestingly, one weapon I looked at today, the Taurus Judge, is a medium framed revolver that can chamber either the 45. LC cartridge, or a .410 shotgun shell. Since it is technically a handgun, it is one way to pack shotgun capacity in a pistol. Of course, the .410 is hardly the most potent of shotgun shells, but at close range, five shells would deter all but the most insistent assailant.

So what would the gunnies of NSG recommend for mr - I'm nearsighted, and have little chance to practice here in hoplophobic Japan.

I'm rather inclined towards shotguns to make up for my eyesight....

So when I move back to the US next year, what do ya'll recommend?

Well, I would hope various corrective measures would be available to you...

but barring that, look at the Taurus Judge revolver. Chambers .45LC and .410 shotgun shells.

Only gutless bushwackers conceal their weapons. A society with weapons openly carried tends to be more polite. 12 gauge, pump action with buckshot. Keep it on the gun rack in the truck. Thank you.

In my country, there is a statutory minimum length for shotgun barrels, and I believe a minimum overall length.

Interestingly, one weapon I looked at today, the Taurus Judge, is a medium framed revolver that can chamber either the 45. LC cartridge, or a .410 shotgun shell. Since it is technically a handgun, it is one way to pack shotgun capacity in a pistol. Of course, the .410 is hardly the most potent of shotgun shells, but at close range, five shells would deter all but the most insistent assailant.

Assuming you're in the US, you can get a shotgun with a barrel length less than 18.5", and shorter than the minimum overall length. You'll need an NFA tax stamp for an SBS, though (assuming your local laws also allow for it).

If you're not in the US, then the above doesn't apply to you.

Only gutless bushwackers conceal their weapons. A society with weapons openly carried tends to be more polite. 12 gauge, pump action with buckshot. Keep it on the gun rack in the truck. Thank you.

Or people that live in an area that by law, require you to carry concealed.

Only gutless bushwackers conceal their weapons. A society with weapons openly carried tends to be more polite. 12 gauge, pump action with buckshot. Keep it on the gun rack in the truck. Thank you.

I don't have a truck, I ride a motorcycle...I guess I could get some kind of saddle holster, like the psycho desert nomads in Mad Max...

That said, even in areas with open carry (technically lawful in most of Nevada but certainly problematic for practical reasons), a long arm of any sort is quickly fatiguing.

Unless I got one of those back holsters like Ash in Army of Darkness.

And I just don't have the Bruce Juice to carry that off...

Or people that live in an area that by law, require you to carry concealed.

Heh, the way you phrased that...

Nevada Revised Fake Statute sec 332:

"All residents shall be required to carry a concealed firearms at all times."


Scene at Wal-Mart:

Old Lady: "But sonny, I don't want to carry this little gun."

Clerk: "Ma'am, its compulsory, and this Beretta Tomcat is light and easy to put in your purse."

Old Lady: "Young man, I know the law. But a .32 is just not going to cut it. Give me that Taurus Raging Bull in .454 Casull. Do they make semi-jacketed hollow points in that round?"

Clerk: "..........."

heh, the way you phrased that...

Nevada revised fake statute sec 332:

"all residents shall be required to carry a concealed firearms at all times."


scene at wal-mart:

Old lady: "but sonny, i don't want to carry this little gun."

clerk: "ma'am, its compulsory, and this beretta tomcat is light and easy to put in your purse."

old lady: "young man, i know the law. But a .32 is just not going to cut it. Give me that taurus raging bull in .454 casull. Do they make semi-jacketed hollow points in that round?"

clerk: "..........."

lol. :D

Screw your feeble guns. If I can't carry around a flamethrower and a grenade launcher my freedom is being pissed on by The Man. I'm a responsible member of the community, after all, so me having this equipment will only help to reduce crime.

Screw your feeble guns. If I can't carry around a flamethrower and a grenade launcher my freedom is being pissed on by The Man. I'm a responsible member of the community, after all, so me having this equipment will only help to reduce crime.

Don't joke about that. Flamethrowers have undeniable value as a deterrent to crime, particular in areas with trolls, corrupted Ents, certain kinds of undead, muggers who have entrenched themselves in bunker complexs, wicker furniture, Haitians, and wood golems.

As for grenade launchers, well...be fun to watch the qualifier course...

Screw your feeble guns. If I can't carry around a flamethrower and a grenade launcher my freedom is being pissed on by The Man. I'm a responsible member of the community, after all, so me having this equipment will only help to reduce crime.

I've found it more convenient to simply load my grenade launcher with white phosphorous grenades. WP grenades are cheaper than petrol these days too.

I've found it more convenient to simply load my grenade launcher with white phosphorous grenades. WP grenades are cheaper than petrol these days too.

This is a racist comment.

White phosphorous does not burn any hotter than phosphorous from industrial production centers in Africa, or Asia for that matter.

Please take your hatred elsewhere.

.44 magnum!

.44 magnum!

.44 magnum? Slightly less than half of an episode of Magnum P.I? I'd have thought you'd have at least wanted to catch the ending once you'd got that far through, even if you're not a Tom Selleck fan.

.44 magnum!

Smith & Wesson, as well as Taurus and I think Ruger, do make some revolvers in .44 mag that, while not ideally sized, are small enough to CCW with a blazer or suit.

Practice ammo is expensive, and recoil is quite potent, but the stopping power is decisive (if you don't miss).

For a carry revolver, though, I think I would gravitate toward the .357 magnum. It has adequate ballistic properties, and the kickback is much more tame.

Heh, I did see a "Bear Gun" today, a large frame but short barreled revolver that could be carried concealed, chambering .454 Casull. Plus, if an elk tried to carjack you...

In seriousness, I'd be too afraid of accidently shooting myself or some innoscent person to ever even hold a gun.

In seriousness, I'd be too afraid of accidently shooting myself or some innoscent person to ever even hold a gun.

If you're using common sense and the 4 rules of firearms safety, you should never accidentally shoot yourself or someone else.

This is a racist comment.

White phosphorous does not burn any hotter than phosphorous from industrial production centers in Africa, or Asia for that matter.

Please take your hatred elsewhere.

Fine, I'm taking my awesome guns and going home.

PP-90 submachine gun and a Glock 17 if i could

A Luger, Colt Army, or Colt Navy Revolver. Or a Peacemaker.

A Luger, Colt Army, or Colt Navy Revolver. Or a Peacemaker.

Authentic Colt single actions are fairly pricey.

A true Luger would be fairly expensive as well, I'd imagine.

But I'd be a hit over in the history department...

I'd go for light, rugged and threatening looking. Firepower isn't that important in a concealed carry pistol, the virtue would be in the threat of the firearm. If I ever had the desire to carry, I would probably go for a Ruger Mk. 2.

This is a racist comment.

White phosphorous does not burn any hotter than phosphorous from industrial production centers in Africa, or Asia for that matter.

Please take your hatred elsewhere.

The sad thing is, I actually heard this said by someone once and meant seriously. :(

The sad thing is, I actually heard this said by someone once and meant seriously. :(

Get the fuck out of town, are you serious?

The mind boggles...


Och, you beat me to it.

*grumbles furiously*
That was the first PG movie I saw. :)
Yeah, I AM an old fart.

Mortals don't get Presence though ;)
Protean ftw.

A license isn't required under federal law, it requires a tax stamp (you have to get one for every NFA item you purchase, such as SBRs, SBSs, suppressors, and select fire/full auto).

I didn't say a federal license is required. The fact is I believe 13 states plainly do not allow them for civilians.

Also, the cutoff for normal people to own select fire/full auto weapons is 1986, not 1968.

Thanks to exhaustion I got the numbers crossed up.

Anything made after 1986 requires that the person be law enforcement or a Class 3 dealer.

I know, and that is the heavy restriction. Law enforcement, I'm not sure but only certain paramilitary units count, not any police. The dealer license isn't something you can get by either if you're not legit.

Protean ftw.

I miss working for White Wolf...back when 2 Ed Mage was new...God I feel old...

Get the fuck out of town, are you serious?

Yes. I was saddened by their ignorance. :(

Im thinking bear arms.

Everyone has the right to "bear arms" The gun part may be illegal tho :p:

I carried when I had crack dealers living next door. matter was even more complicated by my Ex being there and the 5 druggies she had move in with her being utterly hostile to me loosen my lugnuts and other issues. thank god they finally got evicted.

Im thinking bear arms.

Everyone has the right to "bear arms" The gun part may be illegal tho :p:

It would be interesting to see what kind of martial arts would develop in a culture where the favored weapon is a pair of preserved bear arms.

So, I've decided to get licensed to carry a concealed firearm, something relatively simple in my state.

What have/would/do you carry, why did you choose it, and, if you don't carry, but have thoughts on concealed carry (for or against), please give your thoughts.


I'm presently leaning towards either an IMI Baby Desert Eagle, or a Beretta 90-Two. I'm torn between the low recoil and cheap practice ammo of 9mm as compared to the purportedly improved stopping power of the .40SW.

Your thoughts, NSG?

Beretta 92F, I love that gun :D

Me with my concealed-carry gun

http://www.shacknews.com/images/generated/48a5cbc8a65d2_featured_without_text_team_fortress_2_top.jpg

*edit* but in all seriousness, I suggest a look at the Para Warthog. I haven't had a chance to shoot one yet, but it is surprisingly comfortable to hold despite its diminutive size, and having 10 rounds of .45 is good.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_pistol.php?id=8

It would be interesting to see what kind of martial arts would develop in a culture where the favored weapon is a pair of preserved bear arms.

im thinking it would be like using a baseball bat. You just need to belt someone over the head with it