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This is a pretty straightforward question.

From what I see, hear, and discuss; it seems as if Barack Obama will win the presidency because it seems as if a lot of people want "change".

On the other hand there's people that are iffy about him, yet supporting him to an extent.

Do you think that these people who want change but are iffy will stick by him, or at the moment they're in the booth they'll pull out and vote for "the white guy" just because of race and that enables McCain to win?

Basically I'm trying to get a feel for how much the race card is making itself known among the NSG.

I'm quite certain he will win California.

Well, if you look at the polls, both nationwide and state by state, as well as the EC map...


Hes going to win. No ifs ands or buts.

This is a pretty straightforward question.

From what I see, hear, and discuss; it seems as if Barack Obama will win the presidency because it seems as if a lot of people want "change".

On the other hand there's people that are iffy about him, yet supporting him to an extent.

Do you think that these people who want change but are iffy will stick by him, or at the moment they're in the booth they'll pull out and vote for "the white guy" just because of race and that enables McCain to win?

Basically I'm trying to get a feel for how much the race card is making itself known among the NSG.

Excuse me, I don't quite get it, race card? And if McCain-Palin lose, would we be playing the gender card?

I'm iffy about Obama. If I vote for someone else (not McCain) it will be because I felt that person was better qualified for the job, not because of race. Just like I'm voting against Palin (that's right against Palin, not necessarily McCain) because I think she's ill-qualified to be dog-catcher, never mind Vice-President.

Really, I can't think of more idiotic reasons to vote for or against someone than race and gender. I really rather think that most American voters share my opinion.

Really, I can't think of more idiotic reasons to vote for or against someone than race and gender. I really rather think that most American voters share my opinion.

I really I hope you are right, but unfortunately I know entirely too many people for whom gender and skin-colour are very important...
:(

It seems entirely likely. But anything can happen.

Yes, next question.

I've been offline while my computer was in the shop. I guess that could be a good thing because I got to step back and take a breath from the rush-and-tumble over on Digg, deflate, regroup and re-find my centre. The sad news is that I missed most of the news...

But going on what I've been seeing in real-time, street-level, and especially after the last debate...I have this to say about the John 'n Sarah Bible Hour:
Stick a fork in 'em, they're done.

It will be SO nice to have an intelligent, erudite President.

Yes, next question.

You found the post button, you lurking bastard!

From the looks of it, Obama will not only win, but McCain will lose, badly. Most predictions I've seen give almost landslide victories to Obama.

It will be SO nice to have an intelligent, erudite President.

What's wrong with Bush? :confused:

I like McCain, and Obama will not win. People are attracted by his voice, get called a racist if they don't like him, like that "new car smell" and he has a cult of personality. But once people get inside those polls, it gets damn serious.

What's wrong with Bush? :confused:

That's what a lot of people have been asking lately. ;)

I like McCain, and Obama will not win. People are attracted by his voice, get called a racist if they don't like him, like that "new car smell" and he has a cult of personality. But once people get inside those polls, it gets damn serious.

Yeah, Competence and intellect might be sexy, but once that curtain closes...


:p

Bush was in the wrong place at the wrong time, And did the wrong things at the wrong times, and said the wrong things at the wrong times.

I guess he was just.........wrong

Well, if you look at the polls, both nationwide and state by state, as well as the EC map...


Hes going to win. No ifs ands or buts.

Isn't that what they said about that Al Gore character?

Bush was in the wrong place at the wrong time, And did the wrong things at the wrong times, and said the wrong things at the wrong times.

I guess he was just.........wrong

WHAT? NO! Bush Was Right (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=o-z2D9lo9-8) :p

Isn't that what they said about that Al Gore character?

Actually, with Al Gore they thought it was going to be very close and it was possible that he'd lose the popular vote and win the electoral college. So, no-not really.

Well, if you look at the polls, both nationwide and state by state, as well as the EC map...


Hes going to win. No ifs ands or buts.

Great. Now you've jinxed him and he's going to lose for sure.

Isn't that what they said about that Al Gore character?

CNN called it for Gore in 2000, and this year, they have been extremely conservative with their predictions, but even now they are predicting an Obama victory.

McCain will win because this is the real world and the bad guys always win

now call Obama evil all you want but only one party has an aging Ex-pow, a saucy secretary out to overthrow McCain for murdering her parents and a missile contract with the UK

obama will win

for mccain to pull this out obama would have to make a huge mistake....(headline reads "obama claims to prefer mincemeat pie")

obama will win

for mccain to pull this out obama would have to make a huge mistake....(headline reads "obama claims to prefer mincemeat pie")

To upset Obama at this point it would have to be more along the lines of "Obama claims to prefer minced baby pie."

McCain will win because this is the real world and the bad guys always win

now call Obama evil all you want but only one party has an aging Ex-pow, a saucy secretary out to overthrow McCain for murdering her parents and a missile contract with the UK

Then we simply make Obama the bad guy, no? Then surely he'll win! :)

To upset Obama at this point it would have to be more along the lines of "Obama claims to prefer minced baby pie."

"At least he's honest!"

He might. :o

Excuse me, I don't quite get it, race card? And if McCain-Palin lose, would we be playing the gender card?

I'm iffy about Obama. If I vote for someone else (not McCain) it will be because I felt that person was better qualified for the job, not because of race. Just like I'm voting against Palin (that's right against Palin, not necessarily McCain) because I think she's ill-qualified to be dog-catcher, never mind Vice-President.

Really, I can't think of more idiotic reasons to vote for or against someone than race and gender. I really rather think that most American voters share my opinion.

Come on, don't play naive. You know that race plays an important roll in anything in the American culture, but no one likes to admit it.

To upset Obama at this point it would have to be more along the lines of "Obama claims to prefer minced baby pie."
even then he would say "oh its an acient kenyan recipe. i had it once when i was visiting my father's homeland" and the majority if his supporters would say "oh ok that makes sense" and vote for him anyway.

Come on, don't play naive. You know that race plays an important roll in anything in the American culture, but no one likes to admit it.
so does the sex card.

and as much as we dislike uppity n******, we also dislike uppity bitches who really arent qualfied for the job they are proposed for. we dont even like uppity bitches who ARE qualfied for the job they are proposed for.

I am not American and I don't live in America but I think Obama will win because he is awesomeness in its solid form.

I'm pretty sure that if there was a provable link between Obama and some sort of middle eastern terrorist organization (and i mean he trained with them or something) that would do it. Short of that though? Obama FTW!

To Quote a man on a Dutch Train "He'll Never win".
Why? He's not got support of the masses. And If people dig much further into his past they could well find something big....

To Quote a man on a Dutch Train "He'll Never win".
Why? He's not got support of the masses. And If people dig much further into his past they could well find something big....
the man on the dutch train was an idiot.

its john mccain who does not have the support of the masses and he needs every last republican and half of the independants to come out and vote for him even though they dont particularly like him.

its just not going to happen.

This is a pretty straightforward question.

From what I see, hear, and discuss; it seems as if Barack Obama will win the presidency because it seems as if a lot of people want "change".

On the other hand there's people that are iffy about him, yet supporting him to an extent.

Do you think that these people who want change but are iffy will stick by him, or at the moment they're in the booth they'll pull out and vote for "the white guy" just because of race and that enables McCain to win?

Basically I'm trying to get a feel for how much the race card is making itself known among the NSG.
Why does it have to be race? Why can't someone just dislike Obama for his proposed policy, or for his complete lack of experience in executive positions?

Why does it have to be race? Why can't someone just dislike Obama for his proposed policy, or for his complete lack of experience in executive positions?
those people i have respect for.

the idiots who arent going to vote for obama because he is a muslim...not so much.

Excuse me, I don't quite get it, race card?

I think he's talking about 'the Bradley effect'.

So is McCain awesomeness in its gaseous form?

the man on the dutch train was an idiot.

its john mccain who does not have the support of the masses and he needs every last republican and half of the independants to come out and vote for him even though they dont particularly like him.

its just not going to happen.

He has Sarah Palin, aka Miss Mid-West Pin up.
And Obama is V. Left Wing and Yanks don't seem to like That nice Mr Castro...

He's not got support of the masses.

So whose opinions have we been polling all this time :confused:

He has Sarah Palin, aka Miss Mid-West Pin up.
And Obama is V. Left Wing and Yanks don't seem to like That nice Mr Castro...
only the lunatic base of the republican party likes sarah palin.

everyone else finds her unqualified (at the kindest)

mr castro is irrelevant to this election.

So whose opinions have we been polling all this time :confused:

City people. After all, it takes a "special" type of person to be polled...

Why does it have to be race? Why can't someone just dislike Obama for his proposed policy, or for his complete lack of experience in executive positions?

Like I told Darwinism, Don't be naive. You know race is going to be a contributing factor. People are free to like him or dislike him for whatever reason, but I believe that race might just turn out to be a major factor come election day.

I'm guessing that you don't, but then again you probably don't live in the backwoods like I do and have the same types of people around.

2000: Republicans won North Dakota 61%-33%
2004: Republcians won North Dakota 63%-36%
2008: Last three polls ahd Obama tied or ahead in North Dakota

Democrat pickups (vs. 2004): Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, New mexico, Ohio, Virginia
Republican pickups (vs. 2004): Zero. Zilch. Zip. Nada.

Estimated Democratic electoral votes: 349
Estimated Republican votes: 171

No, it's not election day yet, but the way things are going it'll be a landslide.

Well ever since Obama has surged in the polls, the Obama movement has been energized and the Republicans have become well....pathethic. Pathetic, ranting, bitter, and angry. It's kind of sad really. Maybe I am being bias because I am a Democrat, but I can honestly feel the shift. Before I didn't feel it at all. And Obama has got his groove back. I can tell.

It seems very well likely that Obama is going to win. And Obama is *NOT* Al Gore.

This race is Obama to lose.

Now let's watch and see how he's going to screw it up at the last minute.

City people. After all, it takes a "special" type of person to be polled...

you have no clue what you're talking about do you

I like McCain, and Obama will not win. People are attracted by his voice, get called a racist if they don't like him, like that "new car smell" and he has a cult of personality. But once people get inside those polls, it gets damn serious.

I love completely undefendable claims that are so false theyre hilarious.

He has Sarah Palin, aka Miss Mid-West Pin up.
And Obama is V. Left Wing and Yanks don't seem to like That nice Mr Castro...

What is with some foreigners, who consistantly show how out of touch they are with US politics, making completely false claims about how the US electorate will vote and pretending that its the truth?

To upset Obama at this point it would have to be more along the lines of "Obama claims to prefer minced baby pie."

I'd still vote for him.

Seriously, every, single shred of evidence out there has Obama winning in landslide territory.

You can hope for an upset. You can root for an upset. But dont pretend like you have facts on your side.

Seriously, every, single shred of evidence out there has Obama winning in landslide territory.
Really?

I don't think I've seen a single prediction of a landslide. If Obama's going to win, he's going to pick up just over 50% of the vote. Hardly a landslide.

Where are you getting this from?

Really?

I don't think I've seen a single prediction of a landslide. Where are you getting this from?

http://Fivethirtyeight.com has Obama landslide at 32.75% chance right now. I doubt it'll happen. Though given McCain's baffling methodology as far as the states he's campaigning in it could happen.

Really?

I don't think I've seen a single prediction of a landslide. If Obama's going to win, he's going to pick up just over 50% of the vote. Hardly a landslide.

Where are you getting this from?

The electoral maps have him with between 320-358 electoral votes.

Thats a landslide. Remember in the states, your % of votes picked up doesnt matter. What does matter is your electoral college votes.

The electoral maps have him with between 320-358 electoral votes.

Thats a landslide.
I suppose, though I'm reluctant to call a political victory that has just over 50% of the popular vote a 'landslide'.

But that's my quibble.

Come on, don't play naive. You know that race plays an important roll in anything in the American culture, but no one likes to admit it.

Race has become less and less important as time goes on. Gender plays a more important role. We'll see an African-American as President before we see a woman as President, or even Vice-President - especially if the parties keep choosing unqualified idiots lik Sarah Palin.

This is not a naive stance, it's supported by history. African-Americans got the vote before women did, they got into the military academies before women did, they got political offices in general before women did. The only thing that can be said is that they stopped killing women for being witches before they stopped lynching African-Americans for being, well, African-Americans.

And gender and race are still idiotic reasons for voting for or against someone.

Race has become less and less important as time goes on. Gender plays a more important role. We'll see an African-American as President before we see a woman as President, or even Vice-President - especially if the parties keep choosing unqualified idiots lik Sarah Palin.

This is not a naive stance, it's supported by history. African-Americans got the vote before women did, they got into the military academies before women did, they got political offices in general before women did. The only thing that can be said is that they stopped killing women for being witches before they stopped lynching African-Americans for being, well, African-Americans.

And gender and race are still idiotic reasons for voting for or against someone.

I totally agree with everything you said, but you can't tell me that there aren't going to be people going into that poll booth and backing out at the last second because Obama is black. I'm curious to see any predictions as to how much NSGers think this will happen.

I live in a southern state that ALWAYS votes Republican, back in 2004 the comment section was full of only Pro-Bush messages and tons of bad things on Kerry.
(Usually it's "True Christians will vote Republican")

Right now looking in the paper I'm getting 5 Pro-Obama Comments and 6 Pro-McCain comments.
And the comments are from Fundi Christians.
(Now there is a mix between the above and
"True Christians will not lie about Obama")

This means Obama is getting a foothold in the fundi vote, the group that is ALWAYS GOP.

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All I know if he wins I'm changing my location tag.

What's wrong with Bush? :confused:

Too much to write. Quoted by the way.

I totally agree with everything you said, but you can't tell me that there aren't going to be people going into that poll booth and backing out at the last second because Obama is black. I'm curious to see any predictions as to how much NSGers think this will happen.
i dont see it happening.

i dont think that many people fool themselves about whether or not they can vote for a black man. i dont think that many people pretend that they are going to vote obama but then find that its too creepy to vote for a black guy. (there may be those who feel more comfortable pretending that they are going to vote for obama but never intended to vote for him because he is too liberal for them)

there are plenty of reasons to say that they are against obama that dont imply racism that they can use if they dont want to say the real reasons. (if that IS their real reason)

This race is Obama to lose.

Now let's watch and see how he's going to screw it up at the last minute.

If the Reps do win...

and it's proven that no voter fraud was evident...

it will prove that these current day Dems can not win an election, even as the Republicans practically handed it to them.

I think when the time comes, a lot of white middle-classed Americans may find it harder to vote for Obama than they really think. Going to be interesting though.

I am a huge Barack supporter, and I am feeling confident that he will win. But, it doesn't matter until the votes are counted. So we cannot get cocky, we have to make sure everyone gets out to vote! We can celebrate on the 5th.

I like McCain, and Obama will not win. People are attracted by his voice, get called a racist if they don't like him, like that "new car smell" and he has a cult of personality. But once people get inside those polls, it gets damn serious.

I love it when conservatives try to pull the "cult of personality" line in regards to Obama:
http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/cult.gif

My buddies and I hiked a trail between Pinckney and the famous Hell, Michigan (I call that trail the "Lowway to Hell") and since one of my buddies was from Lansing, I drove him back through the deep boondocks, the kind of area where the Drain Commissioner is a major local official and dominates the local lawn signs; "Richard Law for District Attorney" and "Janet Lawless for District Judge" were also amusing. The presidential signs were mostly McCain/Palin, as expected-- until around the village of Stockbridge. Not only in the town (which is far from being a "metropolis") but for miles around, nothing but Obama/Biden signs, in huge numbers.
If he is making inroads there, he is a lock.

I love it when conservatives try to pull the "cult of personality" line in regards to Obama:
http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/cult.gif

Yeah, thats what Ive been saying.


But remember, things are only bad when democrats do them.

I hope to god that he does not win. Then again i hope to god that McCain does not win..... neither of them are really qualified to be president, Obama has no idea what he is doing and honestly neither does McCain. They are both complete idiots. Though i do have a feeling that if Obama wins the economy is gonna crash and burn. Both of them are just talk and i really do not want to see them ruin this country.

Though i do have a feeling that if Obama wins the economy is gonna crash and burn.

The economy is quite capable of crashing and burning without Obama's help.

I hope to god that he does not win. Then again i hope to god that McCain does not win..... neither of them are really qualified to be president, Obama has no idea what he is doing and honestly neither does McCain. They are both complete idiots. Though i do have a feeling that if Obama wins the economy is gonna crash and burn. Both of them are just talk and i really do not want to see them ruin this country.

Oh, another one of those posts that isnt based in reality. Awesome.

See, one would think that going back to Clinton's economic policies would help the economy, considering the economy was, you know, strong under Clinton.

Oh, another one of those posts that isnt based in reality. Awesome.

See, one would think that going back to Clinton's economic policies would help the economy, considering the economy was, you know, strong under Clinton.Get ye logic away from my politics!

Get ye logic away from my politics!

Logic is the tool of teh ebil liberals!!!

Faith is the only true path for politics!

I love it when conservatives try to pull the "cult of personality" line in regards to Obama:
http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/cult.gif

... I must admit. the one about George Bush is new to me.

Justin Timberlake?!?!

is Justin really that ugly?

I totally agree with everything you said, but you can't tell me that there aren't going to be people going into that poll booth and backing out at the last second because Obama is black. I'm curious to see any predictions as to how much NSGers think this will happen.

Here's an article that might interest you.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/racists-for-obama-polls-suggest-so/216665?icid=200100397x1211840867x1200668034

Considering 31% of americans feel they're under threat from witches............

I'll let you lot finish that off.

WHAT? NO! Bush Was Right (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=o-z2D9lo9-8) :p

What the crap was that?! You owe me a checkup to the Ear/Nose/Throat doctor!

I think what is killing McCain the worst is some of the nuts turning up at his rallies. People in the middle do not want to hear the obvious lies being pumped out by the Rush "I am a oxy addict" Limbaugh's brain washed followers. I don't think anyone wants to hear that "Kill Him" garbage either. These people better shut it, because if any of that happens a bunch of innocent people are likely to get hurt in the fallout.

Here's an article that might interest you.

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/racists-for-obama-polls-suggest-so/216665?icid=200100397x1211840867x1200668034

Good read, I can see “African-Americans often use race as an excuse to justify wrongdoing." is a racist statement, but there might be a better phrase. What could it be? I don't know. It's still a good read though, and I hope it's true.

Dunno. Ask the makers of those Diebold machines.

Dunno. Ask the makers of those Diebold machines.

nah. the people who put those machines together won't know.

it's the programmers that would know. ;)

http://www.fanfiction.net/imageu/1414435/
If I could vote, I would vote for Obama, because I find that image insulting to the men and women of the World War II workforce.

http://www.fanfiction.net/imageu/1414435/
If I could vote, I would vote for Obama, because I find that image insulting to the men and women of the World War II workforce.

What.

That better not be an actual campaign sticker. That had better be something put together by a McCain supporter.

What.

That better not be an actual campaign sticker. That had better be something put together by a McCain supporter.Seriously.

I don't think race will play some big hidden factor (the Bradley Effect). In recent years, it has been 'acceptable' to vote based on a single issue. With this, closet racists will find any reason they can not to vote for Obama, and use that to excuse their secret desire to not vote for the black man. With this one reason, they will feel perfectly justified to not vote for Obama, and as such, won't be saying they will vote for Obama and then actually vote for McBush, they will simply say they aren't voting for Obama for that reason.

Honestly,
When I look at the demographics and race, I look at some of the central atlantic "southern" states. Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, and West Virginia.

Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee are right leaning to start with. A race bias would show up as a larger point margin. However, West Virginia has a democratic Governor, Democratic Senators, and more than a few Democratic congressmen. Currently in the polls, it is leaning republican. I don't think this has been adequately explained.

This makes me question one of two things. Either the labor dominated politics of West Virginia's democratic party (call it a vote against the man who put Clinton out), or there is a serious issue with Obama's image in that state. Of course, there is no way to know if that image problem is purely racial bias, but it does seem suspect. You cant ask a person if they are a racial bigot.

Do I think that race (as a part of the candidates image) will play in this election? Yes, but that doesn't mean that it will ever be proved. No, I don't think it will change any large segment of Obama's base supporters. Obama has done well to gather the progressive liberals into a grass roots political organization.

I think we're all forgetting those people who are secretly racist. They're the ones who are like Miss Daisy (From Driving Miss Daisy). They don't hate black people per-se, but they do think that blacks have their proper place.

I was actually surprised on one race factor in this election.. I read an article recently that broke down poll results for both candidates, you know % of traditionally conservative voters who support Obama, % of women who support McCain, % of minorities who support Obama... yadda yadda ...No big surprises in any of it until I got to % of African Americans who say they support McCain...


First time I've ever seen a 0% result in a poll...

Seriously, the results were so negligible it worked out to 0%.

I was actually surprised on one race factor in this election.. I read an article recently that broke down poll results for both candidates, you know % of traditionally conservative voters who support Obama, % of women who support McCain, % of minorities who support Obama... yadda yadda ...No big surprises in any of it until I got to % of African Americans who say they support McCain...


First time I've ever seen a 0% result in a poll...

Seriously, the results were so negligible it worked out to 0%.

Source?

Source?I actually read it in a newsmagazine in a waiting room, either Time or Newsweek, can't remember which, I'll hunt for it.

Time. I have that issue.

Time. I have that issue.Correct... It's the Oct 20 issue of Time.

My only real worry about an 'upset' is if his supporters go on cruise control, figuring this is in the bag and don't show up in the numbers necessary to win.

No a black man will not become president in 2008.

Instead we shall have a biracial man.

No a black man will not become president in 2008.

Instead we shall have a biracial man.

Does it matter? Really? Does anyone actually care other than Chocolate News?

No a black man will not become president in 2008.

Instead we shall have a biracial man.Another fact I picked up is most Obama supporters, both black and white, recognize that he is in fact as much white as he is black.

However there is a lingering setiment among those that usually are among his detractors that the old 'one drop' rule of the slave era still applies. They don't see a person of mixed race, everything is black or white to them (a fitting euphamism if there ever was one), and a person with any african heritage is considered 'black' to them.

You found the post button, you lurking bastard!

At this rate, i'll be up to 2 posts by 2010.


Or i'll look like a complete dumbass after realizing that this is my second post.

My only real worry about an 'upset' is if his supporters go on cruise control, figuring this is in the bag and don't show up in the numbers necessary to win.

Im far more concerned about voter intimidation.


There are a lot of angry, hateful, racist people who will want to keep those uppity negros from voting. In this election more than any other.

Im far more concerned about voter intimidation.


There are a lot of angry, hateful, racist people who will want to keep those uppity negros from voting. In this election more than any other.

But can you imagine the uproar if blacks are barred from voting? Think about it. First black presidential candidate, and blacks are barred from voting for him. It'll be all over the news, with race riots following closely behind it. Then there would be a large stifiling of freedom of speech as anti-racism laws are forced through congress due to overwhelming popular demand (anything to end the riots).

I think the republicans have conceided defeat in this election, as they are already coming up with excuses for why Obama is winning, and have already accused him of cheating.

No a black man will not become president in 2008.

Instead we shall have a biracial man.

Even better. The only thing that pisses the hardcore white supremacists more than minorities is racial mixing.

Well, we'll know on November 4th. I think Mc Cain, if he wins would be better than Bush but I still prefer Obama. Why? He'll move faster! I believe that whoever becomes US President, they will bring the Asian land wars to a swift conclusion and the US economy can just go on bleeding normally rather than the haemorraging it has done with George the Second in charge.
Come January, there will be change!

Well, we'll know on November 4th. I think Mc Cain, if he wins would be better than Bush but I still prefer Obama. Why? He'll move faster! I believe that whoever becomes US President, they will bring the Asian land wars to a swift conclusion and the US economy can just go on bleeding normally rather than the haemorraging it has done with George the Second in charge.
Come January, there will be change!

Loose change because that's all we'll have left in our pockets by January. :(

Very Good Lunatic!

Loose change because that's all we'll have left in our pockets by January. :(Most of us don't even have that, now! We have to hide it to keep it from getting stolen. :(