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Music.

Ferrous Oxide
17-10-2008, 20:19
First off, what's your favourite? Let's get a cross section here. I'm a bit of of nut; I'll listen to anything good; but right now I'm into folk metal.

More importantly... why does ALL music get much better when you're drunk?

"Beautiful Day" by U2 is bring back memories, and I may cry. :$
I V Stalin
17-10-2008, 20:22
"Beautiful Day" by U2 is bring back memories, and I may cry. :$
Yeah, I feel like that when I listen to U2 as well. ;)
Adunabar
17-10-2008, 20:23
Classic Rock. Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, Cream, Mountain, the Eagles the Who etc.
New Genoa
17-10-2008, 20:24
Thrash metal, mostly. But I like some black, power, and death. Also some punk. Folk metal can be good too.
Cannot think of a name
17-10-2008, 20:26
You know, I list in just about everyone of these and no one knows who the hell I'm talking about and it just gets lost in the back and forth about your metal and buttrock bands so I'm just going to shorten it to 'my music is way better than yours' and leave it at that in a huff.
Lord Tothe
17-10-2008, 20:27
Bluegrass, folk music, ska, classical, and bands like Thousand Foot Krutch and P.O.D.
Sdaeriji
17-10-2008, 20:27
Hearing U2 makes me cry for completely different reasons. Mostly about how a band could go from Sunday Bloody Sunday to A Beautiful Day.
Adunabar
17-10-2008, 20:28
I like With or Without the most out of all U2's songs like Beautiful/With or without you etc.
Tsrill
17-10-2008, 20:28
I prefer mostly (nearly) instrumental. Anything goes: from new age to post rock and from classical to trance to idm... although I'm not big on Jazz. I seem to like folk-ish stuff as well.
Ferrous Oxide
17-10-2008, 20:29
Thrash metal, mostly. But I like some black, power, and death. Also some punk. Folk metal can be good too.

My god, someone else who can stand folk metal.

... Korpiklaani?
Hydesland
17-10-2008, 20:36
I quite like folk metal actually, one of the better types of metal. Just makes me want to drink beer in some old pub every time I hear it.
Lord Tothe
17-10-2008, 20:38
"Folk Metal" sounds like an oxymoron. I would like an example, please. Do you mean something like the Dropkick Murphies or Flatfoot 56?

Regarding Thrash metal, have you heard Tourniquet?
Dumb Ideologies
17-10-2008, 20:39
First off, what's your favourite? Let's get a cross section here. I'm a bit of of nut; I'll listen to anything good; but right now I'm into folk metal.

I'm going to say as a genre "metal"...though I like particular subgenres a lot more than others (e.g. I like symphonic, folk, black, and avant-garde metal more than stuff like Iron Maiden and Metallica, which makes all the traditional metallers I know go "oh, you don't know anything about 'real metal'.) and also like indie, post-rock etc. I'm also positively inclined if any music of the above genres has electronic elements.

To give you a few examples of real bands this takes me towards (I've deliberately given different examples from the other music thread, no one likes repetition...

Hollenthon (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lHDV7w7IQ&feature=related)(symphonic melodic death metal with occasional folk elements on a few songs. Not sure about the death metal bit, last fm might be a bit off there)
Genghis Tron (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=J8wEfwXOytY) (grindcore with electronic elements. Though the grind has been eased off a bit on their recent album)
Idiot Pilot (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l6LiAk0N1zM&feature=related) (essentially, they're like Radiohead, only with screamo elements)
Fuck Buttons (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=4ph8z8-RCGs) (no idea how to classify them - an experimental noise band, maybe?)
...and then onto stuff I won't bother to describe, as people will probably have heard of them - Arcade Fire, Alanis Morissette, Beirut, Flaming Lips, Green Day, Kate Bush, The Postal Service, Radiohead, Silverchair, System of a Down etc etc.

Now. I'd say I've got a fairly narrow taste musically (no rap, no classical music, not much "pop" in the pure sense of the word). However, there is not a single person on last.fm with over "low" compatability with me in music taste. Go figure on that one.

More importantly... why does ALL music get much better when you're drunk?

Because when you're drunk you're usually not doing anything else like work etc so you can relax and properly listen to the music. Well, thats my take on it.

"Beautiful Day" by U2 is bring back memories, and I may cry. :$

Good song. I'm not a huge U2 fan, but I'll concede that one is a "choon", as the kids say nowadays:p.
Enormous Gentiles
17-10-2008, 20:40
Hearing U2 makes me cry for completely different reasons. Mostly about how a band could go from Sunday Bloody Sunday to A Beautiful Day.

^ This.
Serinite IV
17-10-2008, 20:41
Never heard folk metal. I listen (right now) to lots of:

Black Sabbath (Ozzy and Dio eras)
Ozzy Osbourne
Kiss
The Scorpions
Smashing Pumpkins
Nirvana
Soundgarden
Metallica
Megadeth
Flyleaf
Senses Fail
Iron Maiden
Three Days Grace
System of a Down
Dragonforce


etc. etc. If I remember more I shall post more.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
17-10-2008, 20:46
My music taste is quite eclectic. But I tend to stay in the realms of rock (alternative), J-rock and ethnic.
Sdaeriji
17-10-2008, 20:50
You know, I list in just about everyone of these and no one knows who the hell I'm talking about and it just gets lost in the back and forth about your metal and buttrock bands so I'm just going to shorten it to 'my music is way better than yours' and leave it at that in a huff.

Have you listened to The Hold Steady yet? I know I've told you to like a dozen times.
Adunabar
17-10-2008, 20:51
Does Bathory come under Folk Metal with some of their songs?
Cannot think of a name
17-10-2008, 20:55
Have you listened to The Hold Steady yet? I know I've told you to like a dozen times.
This is the first time I've seen that. I don't remember you ever telling me that, maybe it's long long after I've given up checking these things. Or your thinking of someone else. One of the two...
Conserative Morality
17-10-2008, 20:55
Hard Rock (Led Zep, The Who) Early Heavy metal style (Black Sabbath, Priestess) Psychedelic rock (13th floor elevators, a little in most older rock bands, wolfmother), Harpsichord music, Queen, Rush, and Medieval sounding tunes.

And I do well with most game music (Espicially MGS!)
Sdaeriji
17-10-2008, 20:58
This is the first time I've seen that. I don't remember you ever telling me that, maybe it's long long after I've given up checking these things. Or your thinking of someone else. One of the two...

No, you're pretty much the only person on this forum whose musical opinion I give a damn about, so I don't suspect I'd have cared enough to tell anyone else.
Dyakovo
17-10-2008, 21:07
My music taste is quite eclectic. But I tend to stay in the realms of rock (alternative), J-rock and ethnic.

What Nanatsu said, although my preferred genre is Neue Deutsche Härte
Cannot think of a name
17-10-2008, 21:14
No, you're pretty much the only person on this forum whose musical opinion I give a damn about, so I don't suspect I'd have cared enough to tell anyone else.

Ah man, after listening to them I kinda wish you hadn't said that because I feel a little bad now.

I've only listened to a few quick samples of them from available YouTube clips, "Stuck Between Stations" "Swish" and "Your Little Hoodrat Friend". Now, I would not say that you could really judge a band by a minute and a half of three of their songs, so this all has an asterisk. The first one didn't really stand out to me that much-it certainly wasn't bad so if you caught the hook liking it would be understandable, it wasn't good or bad. If I hadn't been listening to it specifically I probably wouldn't have noticed, if that makes sense.

By Swish I started to recognize them somewhere between Joe Crocker (solely on the lead singer's scratchy voice-he doens't strain it like Crocker but rather sits in the void between singing and shouting his lyrics ('shouting' not to be confused with metal style 'yelling')) and perhaps a refined Soul Coughing. There is the lyrical frivolity but with a more traditional, reserved college rock sound behind it. "Your Little Hoodrat Friend" sort of confirmed that for me-a 'smart' but ultimately conventional band. If a friend was playing it in the car I wouldn't object and might even groove along involuntary to some of the tracks (which you could say is the real test, the most honest reaction beyond pretense), but there so far isn't much to compel me to find more from the band other than your interest.

If you hadn't said that thing about my opinion I wouldn't feel so bad now, dammit. They're not bad, just not something I would be all that into on my own, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
Hydesland
17-10-2008, 21:22
You know, I list in just about everyone of these and no one knows who the hell I'm talking about and it just gets lost in the back and forth about your metal and buttrock bands so I'm just going to shorten it to 'my music is way better than yours' and leave it at that in a huff.

Heh, I feel exactly the same way. Who knows? Maybe there are hundreds of Nsers who are just refusing to participate in these threads for exactly the same reason.
Sdaeriji
17-10-2008, 21:22
Ah man, after listening to them I kinda wish you hadn't said that because I feel a little bad now.

I've only listened to a few quick samples of them from available YouTube clips, "Stuck Between Stations" "Swish" and "Your Little Hoodrat Friend". Now, I would not say that you could really judge a band by a minute and a half of three of their songs, so this all has an asterisk. The first one didn't really stand out to me that much-it certainly wasn't bad so if you caught the hook liking it would be understandable, it wasn't good or bad. If I hadn't been listening to it specifically I probably wouldn't have noticed, if that makes sense.

By Swish I started to recognize them somewhere between Joe Crocker (solely on the lead singer's scratchy voice-he doens't strain it like Crocker but rather sits in the void between singing and shouting his lyrics ('shouting' not to be confused with metal style 'yelling')) and perhaps a refined Soul Coughing. There is the lyrical frivolity but with a more traditional, reserved college rock sound behind it. "Your Little Hoodrat Friend" sort of confirmed that for me-a 'smart' but ultimately conventional band. If a friend was playing it in the car I wouldn't object and might even groove along involuntary to some of the tracks (which you could say is the real test, the most honest reaction beyond pretense), but there so far isn't much to compel me to find more from the band other than your interest.

If you hadn't said that thing about my opinion I wouldn't feel so bad now, dammit. They're not bad, just not something I would be all that into on my own, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

Haha, don't feel bad. I respect your opinion. That's why I asked what you thought. But my taste in music isn't so transitory that I'm going to decide I don't like a band anymore based on something a guy on the internet said, even if I do think that guy otherwise has really great taste. :)
Trotskylvania
17-10-2008, 21:23
I've been really getting into progressive metal recently, especially bands that blend thrash, power and symphonic influences. I've also found a love of black metal recently, and some pagan folk metal too.

I've also been listening to a lot of old school punk as well, and some psychedelic rock.
Grave_n_idle
17-10-2008, 21:31
Have you listened to The Hold Steady yet? I know I've told you to like a dozen times.

Interesting. Somewhere between Franz Ferdinand and The Fall....
Chernobyl-Pripyat
17-10-2008, 21:49
Metal, Punk, Hardcore, Trance... I'll put up a list later.
Cannot think of a name
17-10-2008, 21:56
Haha, don't feel bad. I respect your opinion. That's why I asked what you thought. But my taste in music isn't so transitory that I'm going to decide I don't like a band anymore based on something a guy on the internet said, even if I do think that guy otherwise has really great taste. :)

Oh, by no means did I think or believe you should in any way should change your opinion about the band-that'd be ridiculous even for the people who list bands here that patently suck :p. I certainly don't expect you to be any less of a fan.
Ziior
17-10-2008, 22:01
I listen to just about anything, so long as i like it :]
some of my favorite bands would include:

Pink Floyd
Grateful Dead
Pearl Jam
Kings Of Leon
Nine Inch Nails
and many many more that i cant think of currently :]

Recently i have been very into classical and piano
my current favorite piece is "A Night On Bald Mountain" by Modest Moussorgsky
i love Russian orchestral and symphonic music
also "Claire De Lune" by Claude Debussy
Ziior
17-10-2008, 22:04
Hard Rock (Led Zep, The Who) Early Heavy metal style (Black Sabbath, Priestess) Psychedelic rock (13th floor elevators, a little in most older rock bands, wolfmother), Harpsichord music, Queen, Rush, and Medieval sounding tunes.

And I do well with most game music (Espicially MGS!)

AHHHH METAL GEAR!!!

"Scouts knife witha surprise, are you a Spetsnaz?"
"A DUD!?!?"
"OTACON!!!!"

BEST GAME SERIES EVER!!!

P.S. you have good taste in music
UNIverseVERSE
17-10-2008, 22:29
Tom Waits
Nick Cave
Amanda Fucking Palmer
The Dresden Dolls
Zoe Keating
Jason Webley
Shpongle

And just recently

Scatman John

That could be considered a brief cross section of my musical tastes.
Extreme Ironing
17-10-2008, 22:33
Pretty much anything sung by the Tallis Scholars. But there's little point extending this on something most will have no interest in at all.
Gavin113
17-10-2008, 22:36
Old school punk particulary The Clash, reggae, some of the undergound hip hop not that mainstream crap, and some grunge and indie is alright.
Callisdrun
17-10-2008, 22:55
I listen mainly to metal, especially black metal (of the Emperor variety, not shitty Burzum), and doom metal (My Dying Bride ftw) and some folk metal.

I also listen to classical music (Classic, Romantic, some modern stuff and some renaissance/medieval stuff).

Additionally I like folk music and pre-war jazz.
Dyakovo
17-10-2008, 22:57
Eisbrecher - Neue Deutsche Härte
Rammstein - Neue Deutsche Härte
t.A.T.u. - Pop
Capercaillie - Scottish folk
Queensryche - Metal
In this Moment - Melodic Metalcore
The Agonist - Melodic Metalcore
Godsmack - rock
Sevendust - alternative metal
Killswitch Engage - Metalcore
Nena - pop/rock
Falco - pop/rock
T'Pau - pop
Ra - rock
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Southern Rock
The Doors - rock
Led Zeppelin - rock
Metallica - metal
Candlemass - Doom Metal
The Who - rock
Seether - post grunge
Evanescence - alternative metal
Koяn - nu-metal
Flyleaf - rock
Linkin Park - rock
Dead Can Dance - ?
Amaral - pop/rock?
Ewa Sonnet - R&B
Dobet Gnahore - ?
Blue Oyster Cult - rock
Deep Purple - rock
Ария - metal
Кипелов - metal
Woods Tea Company - Irish Folk
The Chieftains - Irish Folk
Sawt El Atlas - ?
Hamid El Shaeri - ?
Natacha Atlas - cha'abi moderne
Abdel Ali Slimani - ?

Not a complete list by any means but enough to give you an idea
Patriqvinia
17-10-2008, 23:08
Progressive/Art Rock, Psychedelic/Acid, Classic Rock, Hard Rock, Grunge, Metal, Blues, old school Punk, Alternative, some Jazz, some Folk, some Classical, some old school Country.
Pretty much anything but Funk, Disco, Hip hop, Rap, Rave, Techno, Emo, Screamo, Pop, or anything else like that... Too digital... Or simple...

The list in order of how they popped into my head (this is by no means all of them):

Tool

Pink Floyd

Alice In Chains

Led Zeppelin

Black Sabbath

Dream Theater

Megadeth

Metallica

Disturbed

Rush

Van Halen

King Crimson

Nirvana

Soundgarden

Stone Temple Pilots

Yes

Ozzy Osbourne

Jeff Beck

Jerry Cantrell

Jethro Tull

Foo Fighters

Dethklok

Slayer

Ac/Dc

Emerson Lake & Palmer

Styx

The Police

Joe Satriani

Genesis

Guns 'N' Roses

Deep Purple

Johnny Cash

The Offspring

Jefferson Airplane

The Who

Rob/White Zombie

Steve Miller Band

Chicago

David Bowie

Alice Cooper

Godsmack

Pearl Jam

The Ramones

Seether

Aerosmith

Def Leppard

Lynyrd Skynyrd

Creed

Nine Inch Nails

System Of A Down

Collective Soul

Third Eye Blind

Sammy Hagar

The Rolling Stones

The Beatles

The Meat Puppets

Mud Honey

Iron Butterfly

Iron Maiden

Audioslave

Heart

Velvet Revolver

Slipknot

Creedence Clearwater Revival

Machine Head

Three Days Grace

Lifehouse

Cake

Blue Oyster Cult

Ian Gillan Band

Twisted Sister

A Perfect Circle

Eric Clapton

The Doors

Mad Season

Little Feat

Dire Straits

Cream

ZZ Top

Rammstein
Dyakovo
17-10-2008, 23:10
Progressive/Art Rock, Psychedelic/Acid, Classic Rock, Hard Rock, Grunge, Metal, Blues, old school Punk, Alternative, some Jazz, some Folk, some Classical, some old school Country.
Pretty much anything but Funk, Disco, Hip hop, Rap, Rave, Techno, Emo, Screamo, Pop, or anything else like that... Too digital... Or simple...



Hmm, you can add most of that list to mine as well...
Patriqvinia
17-10-2008, 23:44
Hmm, you can add most of that list to mine as well...

Good tastes my friend
Dyakovo
17-10-2008, 23:49
I like to think so...

Some of them I've never heard of (like Mad Season), and some I don't like (such as Megadeth & The Beatles), but all in all of the ones I know there isn't any that would cause me to change the station if it was played.
Rhursbourg
17-10-2008, 23:54
English Folk, Sea Shanties, Blues-Rock,The Blues, Early Music and sometimes a bit of Bluegrass
The Plutonian Empire
18-10-2008, 00:06
My favorite is easy listening, and video game music (vgmusic.com is a good site. *nods*)
Aerou
18-10-2008, 00:15
This is the first time I've seen that. I don't remember you ever telling me that, maybe it's long long after I've given up checking these things. Or your thinking of someone else. One of the two...


Noooo, don't do it!!! Don't give in to "The Hold Steady"

And to add to the current discussion:

Elliott Smith
Broken Social Scene
Ra Ra Riot
Plaid
Ratatat
Bloc Party
The New Amsterdams
Nonreturner
Rogue Wave
Bonobo
Jimmy Eat World
ATB
Leon Bolier
Autechre
CthulhuFhtagn
18-10-2008, 00:54
The current playlist I am listening to contains both Imogen Heap and Slayer and as such I am not even going to try to figure out what the hell my tastes are.
Nadkor
18-10-2008, 01:05
Favourite bands at the moment:
Arcade Fire
Mogwai
The Maccabees
Bloc Party
Oceansize
Explosions in the Sky
The Beatles
Broken Social Scene
British Sea Power
Frank Turner
Metallica
Portishead
Starsailor
Radiohead (a perennial favourite, I must admit)
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 03:02
Classical, old school rock, punk, and metal. I love tons of bands, but the following are just a cut above the rest:

- Iron Maiden
- King Diamond
- Mercyful Fate
- Naglfar
- Queensryche
- Bathory
- 3 Inches of Blood
- Vader
- Slayer
- Cannibal Corpse
- Black Sabbath
- Dissection
- Nile
- Satyricon
- Dio
- Watain
- Belphegor
- Emperor
- Leviathan
- Behemoth
- Marduk
- Testament
- Nachtmystium
- Pink Floyd
- Rush
- The Sex Pistols
- Igor Stravinsky
- Richard Wagner
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 03:15
Classical, old school rock, punk, and metal. I love tons of bands, but the following are just a cut above the rest:

- Queensryche
- Black Sabbath
- Dio
- Pink Floyd
- Rush
- The Sex Pistols
- Igor Stravinsky
- Richard Wagner

Fixed, removing the crappy ones...
:p
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 03:17
Fixed, removing the crappy ones...
:p

Says the guy who listens to Korn;)
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 03:20
Says the guy who listens to Korn;)

yup
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 03:21
yup

Well...Umm....ok then?

I was going to insult you or something....but now youve taken the fun out of it
Lanajames
18-10-2008, 03:23
my taste is music is so varied i wouldnt know where to start
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 03:25
Well...Umm....ok then?

I was going to insult you or something....but now youve taken the fun out of it

I try

To be fair, I've actually never heard most of the ones I eliminated, I just know what your preferred genre is from past threads and its not my cup of tea (at least usually).
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 03:26
my taste is music is so varied i wouldnt know where to start

At the beginning?
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 03:26
I try

To be fair, I've actually never heard most of the ones I eliminated, I just know what your preferred genre is from past threads and its not my cup of tea (at least usually).

See, I can respect not liking a band because they just arent your style.
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 03:32
See, I can respect not liking a band because they just arent your style.

Yeah I just said "eliminating the crappy ones" to be annoying :D
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 03:36
Yeah I just said "eliminating the crappy ones" to be annoying :D

I am aware. You havent been gone long enough for me to forget how you work:p
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
18-10-2008, 04:58
I listen to a lot of music, as I get bored easily and need to keep changing genres and such. My favorite bands, that is the five that I keep coming back to because I know they will always be a good listen, no matter how I feel:
Arch Enemy (Melodic Death Metal)
Carcass (Grindcore->Death Metal->Melodic Death Metal)
Cat Power [except The Greatest. God how I hate that album; it still burns my ears and brain a little] (Alternative/Minimalist Weirdness)
Rage Against the Machine (Rap-Metal)
Nonpoint (Nu Metal)
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 05:06
I listen to a lot of music, as I get bored easily and need to keep changing genres and such. My favorite bands, that is the five that I keep coming back to because I know they will always be a good listen, no matter how I feel:
Arch Enemy (Melodic Death Metal)
Carcass (Grindcore->Death Metal->Melodic Death Metal)
Cat Power [except The Greatest. God how I hate that album; it still burns my ears and brain a little] (Alternative/Minimalist Weirdness)
Rage Against the Machine (Rap-Metal)
Nonpoint (Nu Metal)

ummm, Archenemy is not melodic Death metal...

The Agonist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZo4bOZf3B4) and In This Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khairmZadHg) would be examples of melodic metalcore (aka melodic death metal)
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
18-10-2008, 06:06
ummm, Archenemy is not melodic Death metal...
It damn well is. Arch Enemy is one of the defining bands of the genre even.
The Agonist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZo4bOZf3B4) and In This Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khairmZadHg) would be examples of melodic metalcore (aka melodic death metal)
The Agonist could be any number of things when they've actually got some experience at being a band, but they're just a step above amateur hour on Once.
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 06:19
It damn well is. Arch Enemy is one of the defining bands of the genre even.

The Agonist could be any number of things when they've actually got some experience at being a band, but they're just a step above amateur hour on Once.

Except for this:
In the late 1990s, a third wave of metalcore groups appeared, who placed significantly greater emphasis on melody. Such bands as Still Remains, Darkest Hour, Poison the Well, Underoath and Atreyu are the most commercially successful practitioners of metalcore. These groups took major influence, cues, and writing styles from melodic death metal bands, particularly In Flames and At the Gates. Melodic metalcore frequently makes use of clean vocals, and is significantly less dissonant than other metalcore.

This description eliminating Archenemy from consideration as part of said genre as 100% percent of Angela Gossow's "singing" is screamed...



EDIT: The Agonist aren't melodic metalcore because they are a relatively new band with limited exposure in the U.S.?
Trollgaard
18-10-2008, 06:53
I am a fan of metal, for the most part.

I particularly like viking/folk metal and black metal.

Some of my favorite bands:
Falkenbach
Windir
Ensiferum
Immortal
Darkthrone
Marduk
Watain
Wyrd
Naglfar
Draugnim
Bathory
Iuvenes
Tyr
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 06:54
Except for this:
In the late 1990s, a third wave of metalcore groups appeared, who placed significantly greater emphasis on melody. Such bands as Still Remains, Darkest Hour, Poison the Well, Underoath and Atreyu are the most commercially successful practitioners of metalcore. These groups took major influence, cues, and writing styles from melodic death metal bands, particularly In Flames and At the Gates. Melodic metalcore frequently makes use of clean vocals, and is significantly less dissonant than other metalcore.

This description eliminating Archenemy from consideration as part of said genre as 100% percent of Angela Gossow's "singing" is screamed...



EDIT: The Agonist aren't melodic metalcore because they are a relatively new band with limited exposure in the U.S.?



Nope, hes actually right. Arch Enemy is melodic death metal. Metalcore is different from melodic death metal, no matter what metalcore fans and bands may say.

Melodic DM is DM with more melody. Thus, In Fames is melodic death metal (or use to be...).

Arch Enemy is death metal with melody. Thats all melodic death metal really is.

Metalcore is thrash metal meets hardcore, but the shitty kind. They take a lot of influence from melodic death metal bands (like Carcass, In Flames, and At the Gates) but they are not melodic death metal.

As someone who "studie" metal as a hobby, this is an area of expertice.
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 06:56
Ensiferum


I saw them on Monday for the first time. It was awesome.


I never liked them much, always prefering the darker Wintersun, but after seeing them live, I am going to start maybe paying more attention to them.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
18-10-2008, 06:58
Except for this:
In the late 1990s, a third wave of metalcore groups appeared, who placed significantly greater emphasis on melody. Such bands as Still Remains, Darkest Hour, Poison the Well, Underoath and Atreyu are the most commercially successful practitioners of metalcore. These groups took major influence, cues, and writing styles from melodic death metal bands, particularly In Flames and At the Gates. Melodic metalcore frequently makes use of clean vocals, and is significantly less dissonant than other metalcore.
The problem being that your defintion is lifted from a Wikipedia article that makes a clear distinction between Melodic Death and Metalcore (of any variety). Your argument hinges on there existing no distinction between the two genres, so how could they have influence on one another?
This description eliminating Archenemy from consideration as part of said genre as 100% percent of Angela Gossow's "singing" is screamed...
I find unconventional vocals appealing; "Beautiful Tragedy" could have been much better with some growling and more screams.
EDIT: The Agonist aren't melodic metalcore because they are a relatively new band with limited exposure in the U.S.?
I'd rather have two albums before I make judgments about a band as a whole. However, more to your own point, they can't be metalcore because their lead vocalist screams so much.
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 07:00
My bad then, my understanding was that Death Metal and Metalcore were the same thing.


Of course, I still am not sure what to make of this part of his response:
The Agonist could be any number of things when they've actually got some experience at being a band, but they're just a step above amateur hour on Once.
All I got out of it is that since they've "only" been around for 4 years they don't fit into any genre...
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 07:01
My bad then, my understanding was that Death Metal and Metalcore were the same thing.


Oh sweet God no. Death Metal is good. Metalcore is shit.


All I got out of it is that since they've "only" been around for 4 years they don't fit into any genre...

In metal especially, bands may take a bit to develop their "sound". A band could start out one way, or generic, and either change direction or become a bit more unique.
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 07:03
Oh sweet God no. Death Metal is good. Metalcore is shit.

Meh, I dislike most of both...

I like one song by Arch Enemy and the only metalcore I like is In This Moment and The Agonist
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 07:08
...only metalcore I like is In This Moment and

The singer is hot as fuck.
-Light
18-10-2008, 07:21
I like music. It is good.
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 07:33
The singer is hot as fuck.

Indeed, Maria Brinks is that...
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9652/la77d6d85b3136d03cd7a7alg2.jpg
Knights of Liberty
18-10-2008, 07:37
Indeed, Maria Brinks is that...
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9652/la77d6d85b3136d03cd7a7alg2.jpg

Yeeeep I want to fuck her brains out.


Her band sucks, and she cant sing, but Id do her in every way, any time, any where.
Dyakovo
18-10-2008, 07:44
Yeeeep I want to fuck her brains out.


Her band sucks, and she cant sing, but Id do her in every way, any time, any where.

well, we agree on 1 out of 3...
(as a hint for the dense people I own their first album)
I V Stalin
18-10-2008, 11:36
Oh sweet God no. Death Metal is good. Metalcore is shit.
Maybe currently, but there's several bands in very similar genres (i.e. mathcore and metallic hardcore) that are awseome - Botch, Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, Fear Before the March of Flames, Behold...The Arctopus (which is, quite frankly, possibly the best band name ever).

Also I've heard Bullet For My Valentine referred to as metalcore (I personally disagree with that label, but whatever), and they're pretty good (live, at least...on record not so much).

Mostly I listen to post-rock and instrumental metal, along with various other sub-genres of metal (mostly doom and black) and punk.