NationStates Jolt Archive

3 presidential debates. 1 VP debate and they did not talk about a better plan for natural disasters. Even though the big weather heads (NOAA) that our tax dollars pay the the big bucks to have cleary told us that extreme weather events will become more common from the climate shift!
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080619_climatereport.html
Putting things like this off till the last minute makes it cost even more.

What else did they miss?

Same sex marriage.

Same sex marriage.

I think they covered that a little bit in the VP debate. (either that or it was on the Katie Couric interviews)

The didn't talk about immigration I don't think.

Yes, they didn't cover the bit where they intend to empty people's 401k and IRA to pay for the recent shenanigans.

They certainly covered National security I can tell you that.

Only in America would a question on education be answered how it relates to National security.

I think they should have discussed cabinet picks more. Bush proved that horse show organizers make poor directors of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. ;)

I think they should have discussed cabinet picks more. Bush proved that horse show organizers make poor directors of the Federal Emergency Management Agency. ;)

And it's so hard to get a good horse that will stand up to 50 foot waves these days.
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Education is directly related to national security. Less college = draft: and vice versa. It's just post war politics in the English speaking world.

Did they ever discuss eduction? They really, really need to.

Did they ever discuss eduction? They really, really need to.

Yes, yes they did. McCain suggested getting army guys with no training into the teaching proffession. Never mind fancy-shmancy "credentials", just chuck em in, they have "experience" :rolleyes:

Yes, yes they did. McCain suggested getting army guys with no training into the teaching proffession. Never mind fancy-shmancy "credentials", just chuck em in, they have "experience" :rolleyes:

I'm reminded of the story of Mr 'Toss the Salad'.....

I really can't believe that McCain is actually being considered for the position of President of the USA, I mean - when he's not sticking his tongue out at people he just seems to spout bollocks to whoever has the pleasure of listening to him. He acts extremely childish and makes bad jokes (apparently :P) ... he also comes across as being offensive, inconsiderate and unvotable. Hell, I'm not even in the USA and he's offending me lol...

Obama looks and acts much more President-like than McCain to me, also whenever I see McCain's name I can't help but think of crinkle cut oven chips.
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Yes, yes they did. McCain suggested getting army guys with no training into the teaching proffession. Never mind fancy-shmancy "credentials", just chuck em in, they have "experience" :rolleyes:

Well, that would give them about as many credentials as Australian TAFE teachers, and the Australian system is a hell of a lot better than the American one, so...

3 presidential debates. 1 VP debate and they did not talk about a better plan for natural disasters. Even though the big weather heads (NOAA) that our tax dollars pay the the big bucks to have cleary told us that extreme weather events will become more common from the climate shift!
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080619_climatereport.html
Putting things like this off till the last minute makes it cost even more.

What else did they miss?
Seems America has been living thro' a disaster for the last 8 years,Bush-Fire.Seriously tho',when National Security is mentioned all I hear in the distance is the sound of Fearmongering and sabre rattling,frightens me more.

Well, that would give them about as many credentials as Australian TAFE teachers, and the Australian system is a hell of a lot better than the American one, so...

That's being a tad intellectually dishonest. Most TAFE teachers here have SOME sort of educational qualifications, and the ones that don't are or have been previously employed in the proffession. Exactly how being trained to shoot people is even remotely related to education is beyond me.

Besides, from what I gathered, McCain was advocating getting soldiers and ex-soldiers to teach in Primary or Secondary education facilities. Here in Australia (and most places) teachers are required to have a certification, a DipEd, to teach in these areas.

So no, it's not really the same.

hell yes. any real issues that they did?

well ok, yes, some of the things they talked about were real issues, but no major candidate ever addressess how messed up those that do get elected or even nomiated, have kept forign policy for at least the 60 years i've been alive, maybe as long as the federal government has been alive, and domestic policy likewise on and off for most of that.

important issues, really fundimental to life as virtually everyone actually experiences it, though perhapse a lot of people might not entirely realize that they are:

transporation and energy infrastructure and population policy.

lets see, oh and the minor little detail of what function is served by even having a government in any form at all.

i think all of those are really big important ones. and as mckenny said "war is not an acceptable energy policy, and more drilling isn't going to solve it either"

making the private passenger automobile our PRIMARY means of trasportation has been at least half of the major environmental disaster of the last 50 years.

and something REALLY needs to be done, however much however many may resent doing so, to LOWER human fertility, ALL human fertillity accross the board, if we want to avoid destroying the web of life entirely and with it our own species means of survival.

in an over populated world, if we had any sense, we'd be ENCOURAGING 'gay' and thus childless, merrages!

Exactly how being trained to shoot people is even remotely related to education is beyond me.

actually you will find that the education system is infested with ex-servicemen and they tend to have quite a positive image at that

slightly unnerving that the teacher you was winding up in math could of killed you rather easily doesn't it? :p

lets see, oh and the minor little detail of what function is served by even having a government in any form at all.

would you argue to your boss that you should be fired?

The big one for me is the continual erosion of constitutionally guaranteed rights. They've flirted with torture, but nobody has addressed the Ben Franklin quote, "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

Obama briefly mentioned privacy when discussing SCOTUS appointments in the final debate but no one has mentioned it outside the parameters of the abortion debate. Internet, cellular, wireless and other technologies make us less private each day. The government must recognize this fundamental right in all its variations and put limitations on their own ability to compromise privacy.

I think they should have discussed cabinet picks more.
I agree with this, but I wanted more than that. Whose advice are you listing to now, and where will they be in your White House? Don't tell us about Joe the Plumber, tell us who is currently on your economic advisory panel, and tell us how you'll deploy those same people after the election. Ditto for foreign policy, homeland security, education, etc. We're not electing an individual, we're electing a team leader. Show us the team.

would you argue to your boss that you should be fired?

the relation of this response to what it was supposedly a response to eludes me, please explain.

oh wait, i see, sort of, at least as i'm seeing it, this is part of well, if either of them ever did, the corporate mafia would never let the corporate media let us know that either/any of them ever did.

i mean, i guess if that was what was ment.

or perhapse in the sense of the populas supposedly being the "boss" of government, yes i see that too.

actually people DO sometimes argue to their boss that they should be fired, this is generally refered to as a letter of resignation.

abdications are things that have actually happened in history too.

the relation of this response to what it was supposedly a response to eludes me, please explain.

Pssst. They're being elected to a government OFFICE.

Well, since Ayers was brought up, they should have brought up McCain's skins's attempt on his life.

The big one for me is the continual erosion of constitutionally guaranteed rights. They've flirted with torture, but nobody has addressed the Ben Franklin quote, "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."

FLIRTED? They had hot wild monkey sex with torture!

Or are you discussing the debate rather than the government?

There was no talk about how to challenge the Illuminati and their plans to establish a new world order, smashing independent national governments and asserting their own monopoly control. This leads me to think that for all Obama's talk of being an "outsider", he is like McCain either a member of or under the control of the Illuminati, or ignorant of its existence. The only way to save America and the world is to vote Libertarian.

There was no talk about how to challenge the Illuminati and their plans to establish a new world order, smashing independent national governments and asserting their own monopoly control. This leads me to think that for all Obama's talk of being an "outsider", he is like McCain either a member of or under the control of the Illuminati, or ignorant of its existence. The only way to save America and the world is to vote Libertarian.

while "illuminati" may be a fantasy name for it, the doomsday machine of corporate economic intrests (and its near total usurpation of political proccess) is very real.

and yes, only those candidates able to play its game are ever allowed to 'make the final cut' (whatever else they may or may not represent, be interested in, or intend)

it isn't some 'illuminati' that want the executive branch of the american government to assume dictatorial control of the entire planet, 'they' could care less, but a bunch of braindead neofaschists and white supremists, to whome all i have to say, is: "america is NOT god's kingdom on earth. get over it!"

There was no talk about how to challenge the Illuminati and their plans to establish a new world order, smashing independent national governments and asserting their own monopoly control. This leads me to think that for all Obama's talk of being an "outsider", he is like McCain either a member of or under the control of the Illuminati, or ignorant of its existence. The only way to save America and the world is to vote Libertarian.

*sigh* Not this again...

Why does everyone assume Libertarians believe in the Illuminati?

They didn't touch agricultural policy. Agri-guru Michael Pollan (he of The Botany of Desire (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375760393?v=glance&n=283155">botany%3C/a%3E) and The Omnivore's Dilemma (http://www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php)) wrote a loooong piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/magazine/12policy-t.html?scp=2&sq=pollan&st=cse) for the NYT Magazine on why US food & agricultural policies are important, and how they're related to national security as well as health & environmental concerns.

It's quite a good read, I think. The blasted Farm Bill only comes up every so often and the media treats it as a process story -- who's supporting it, who's not -- rather than a policy story, which is annoying.

*sigh* Not this again...

Why does everyone assume Libertarians believe in the Illuminati?

People don't believe that. There's just a natural association to be made in that the Libertarian party is crazy (I associate it with the crazy wing of the right), and those who believe in Illuminati are also...crazy. Its a natural fit :p

People don't believe that. There's just a natural association to be made in that the Libertarian party is crazy (perhaps association with the crazy wing of hte right), and those who believe in Illuminati are also...crazy. Its a natural fit :p
I'm shocked. I've heard arguments against Libertarianism, but never this. Do you have anything other then your own word to back this up?

*sigh* Not this again...

Why does everyone assume Libertarians believe in the Illuminati?

Face it, there is some overlap between hardcore small-government types and people who ramble on about the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.

Plus you should believe in the Illuminati. Makes life more fun.

Face it, there is some overlap between hardcore small-government types and people who ramble on about the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations.

Plus you should believe in the Illuminati. Makes life more fun.
Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that you should dismiss an entire Ideology as crazy, because of a relatively small percentage.

I'm shocked. I've heard arguments against Libertarianism, but never this. Do you have anything other then your own word to back this up?

My impression of them has always been that their tax policies are nuts, and I can only understand their thinking by assuming they believe the federal government to be some sort of evil conspiracy :p From there I made the leap to general conspiracy theory, and then to the Illuminati. Tenuous links, but when mickey-taking rather than engaging in serious debate, the characterisation of them as a lunatic fringe party works for the purposes of making a funny. Which is probably why, to answer your initial question, so many do it.

How overtly long the campaigns are.

And it's so hard to get a good horse that will stand up to 50 foot waves these days.
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They just don't makes horses like they used to.

All in all I think mccain is a rich, old, lieing asshole

FLIRTED? They had hot wild monkey sex with torture!

Or are you discussing the debate rather than the government?

I'm saying the campaigns didn't address the torture issues very much, and barely at all in the debates. They didn't address the Patriot Act or wiretapping or any of the other so-called Homeland Security initiatives that impinge on our former freedoms.

If both sides are willing to let bygones be bygones and simply accept that those freedoms and protections are forever gone, I'm ashamed to be an American.