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USA 2008 Presidential Election Poll after all the debates. USA citizen who will you vote for? If you are still undecided post it, come back post and vote when you are decided, open time poll. Post which USA State you are from? Non USA citizen, who do you support? Post it, your views and comments are always welcomed.

01. Republican Sen John McCain, Republican Alaska Governor Sarah Palin ticket.

02. Democrat Sen Barack Obama, Democrat Sen Joe Biden ticket.

Wikipedia: Third party candidate tickets for president, vice president respectively:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_presidential_candidates,_2008

03. Libertarian Party, Bob Barr, Wayne Allyn Root ticket.

Former Republican Georgia Rep Bob Barr, Libertarian Party Chairman Wayne Allyn Root.

04. Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzalez ticket. Independent Ecology Party, Natural Law Party

Lawyer, Consumer advocate Ralph Nader.

Matt Gonzalez, lawyer,former president of San Francisco Board of Supervisors. Narrowly lost 2003 San Francisco Mayoral election 47.20 to 52.80 %.

05. Alan L Keyes, Wiley Drake Ticket. American Independent Party.

Former Ambassador Diplomat, Former UN Ambassador to Economic and social Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistant_Secretary_of_State_for_International_Organization_Affairs

06. Former Georgia Dem Rep, Cynthia McKinney, Rosa Clemente ticket. Green Party.

Rosa Clemente, commentator, political activist, community organizer, independent reporter from New York.

07. Charles o Chuck Baldwin, Darrell L Castle ticket. Constitution Party.

08. Brian Moore, Steward Alexander ticket. Socialist Party USA.

09. Roger Calero, Alyson Kennedy ticket. Socialist Workers Party.

10. Other candidates on the ballot.


As most or all of you know I support Sen John McCain and Alaska Governor Sarah Palin for President and Vice President of the USA respectively.

At least my views, I respect your right to your different views:

Barack Obama the candidate of change you can believe in as his campaign slogan suggests. Its a very clever way to mean everything to all voters. Its just a campaign slogan to get your votes. If Barack Obama becomes president he will be a Liberal president in the American sense not the European sense. But the candidate of change you can believe in, his own campaign slogan will not actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem.

A Liberal on the economy, foreign policy and defense. Obama would be the first socialist president of the USA. Recently he has talked about the redistribution of wealth. Weak on foreign policy, would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions, weak on defense, his Secretary of State or Defense would probably be the Liberal leftist Sen Christopher Dodd, in my view.

My one issue litmus test is Cuba. I know 99 percent % of my fellow NS nations do not care about the Cuba issues. But it is my right to care. I am also a Republican for economic, foreign policy and defense reasons. I believe in a strong pro USA foreing policy and defense policy. In my view that is Sen John McCain not Sen Obama. As a Cuban American citizen I cannot vote for Sen Obama.

I wish there was a Cake, Pie ticket. :(

McCain is a great man but not a good presidential candidate






Obama will change this nation for the better




As an Iraqi American I fell better with 0bama

So what happens when Joe the plumber gets squeezed out of business by Pete's Plumbing? Will him and his employees have a better chance of getting a job in one of McCains nuke plants or in one of Obama's factories making solar panels & windmill parts?

Obama/Biden '08

Moore/Alexander '08

I'm sure the lesser of two evils can win without my vote.

So what happens when Joe the plumber gets squeezed out of business by Pete's Plumbing? Will him and his employees have a better chance of getting a job in one of McCains nuke plants or in one of Obama's factories making solar panels & windmill parts?

Obama/Biden '08

John McCain has stated he will use an all of the above approach to energy independence.

MCCAIN lied

Bob Barr for '08! (Ha, yea right, even I don't believe that they'll win.)

MCCAIN lied

But did people die?

Sara pailn is a bitch

Besides, Bob Barr isn't a very good libertarian.

McCain is more libertarian than Barr.

Besides, Bob Barr isn't a very good libertarian.

McCain is more libertarian than Barr.

See, this is why Neal Boortz need to run on the Libertarian ticket, people know who he is, and there's no doubt in anyone's mind that he is a Libertarian.

Neal Boortz! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Boortz)

So what happens when Joe the plumber gets squeezed out of business by Pete's Plumbing? Will him and his employees have a better chance of getting a job in one of McCains nuke plants or in one of Obama's factories making solar panels & windmill parts?

Obama/Biden '08

Probably the nuclear plant, given that nuclear plants have a heckuva lot of piping and plumbing in them ;)

USA citizens post which USA State you are from?

Miami Shores, Florida.

IL. Obama.

West palm beach,fl

Montana

North Carolina

A Liberal on the economy, foreign policy and defense. Obama would be the first socialist president of the USA. Recently he has talked about the redistribution of wealth. Weak on foreign policy, would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions, weak on defense, his Secretary of State or Defense would probably be the Liberal leftist Sen Christopher Dodd, in my view.

My one issue litmus test is Cuba. I know 99 percent % of my fellow NS nations do not care about the Cuba issues. But it is my right to care. I am also a Republican for economic, foreign policy and defense reasons. I believe in a strong pro USA foreing policy and defense policy. In my view that is Sen John McCain not Sen Obama. As a Cuban American citizen I cannot vote for Sen Obama.

Define what you mean by socialism.

Meeting unfriendly foreign leaders without preconditions is more likely to to affect change if only because agreements to meetings with preconditions is almost impossible unless things are really shitty in the leader's nation.

What's so horrible about Obama's policy towards Cuba?

John WcCain has stated he will use an all of the above approach to energy independence.
Fixed.:tongue:

So why did he vote against the windmills & solar panels 20 times before?

His whole campaign has been "I'm sorry for what I've done but I wont be like that in the White House"

Define what you mean by socialism.

Anyone to the left of Genghis Khan, apparently.

Probably the nuclear plant, given that nuclear plants have a heckuva lot of piping and plumbing in them ;)

When a toilet leaks, you grab a mop. When a nuke plant leaks, you grab your knees and kiss your ass goodby.
;)

I've already voted. I voted for Barack Obama.

Meeting unfriendly foreign leaders without preconditions is more likely to to affect change if only because agreements to meetings with preconditions is almost impossible unless things are really shitty in the leader's nation.

What's so horrible about Obama's policy towards Cuba?

He would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions on a presidential level. As Sen Hillary Clinton of all sources said: She would not allow herself to be used by a dictator for their political propaganda. She stated something along this line, and she is right.

Obama would stablish full economic, political and social relations with the Cuban dictatorship government. It is no secret the Liberals in Congress who will have a majority of the seats in the House and senate are itching to establish relations with the Cuban dictatorship government without any democratic reforms in Cuba. With a Democrat president Obama those kind of relations would be very possible.

As a Cuban American I cannot vote for Obama. The cuban issues is as important to me as Israel is to Jewish Americans. Obama would be more pro Arab than pro Israel, based on statements Obama has made in the recent past. Sorry dont provide a link, but it is fairly well known.

I know and understand that would delight most of my fellow NS nations.

Interesting poll.

Obama Establish full economic, political and social relations with the Cuban dictatorship government. It is no secret the Liberals in Congress who will have a majority of the seats in the House and senate are itching to establish relations with the Cuban dictatorship government without any democratic reforms in Cuba. With a Democrat president Obama those kind of relations would be very possible.

And I approve of relations with Cuba. The cold war is over.

Obama would be more pro Arab than pro Israel, based on statements Obama has made in the recent past. Sorry dont provide a link, but it is fairly well known.

See, no its not "fairly well known" and Im going to need something to back that up. Like a source.

But I wouldnt mind him being less pro-Israel anyway.

Indeed it is. He also misspelled mah party and its vice-presidential candidate.

Though I live overseas, we did meet Obama's adviser on Asia. :)

Obama/Biden 2008!

So if NSG decided the fate of the nation, the USA would be a one party state. I love this forum.

I voted for Chuck Baldwin. I just looked him up and I agree with him about 85% of the time.;) Basically he is the only one that values the Constitution.

State= NY

Barack Obama the candidate of change you can believe in as his campaign slogan suggests. Its a very clever way to mean everything to all voters. Its just a campaign slogan to get your votes. If Barack Obama becomes president he will be a Liberal president in the American sense not the European sense. But the candidate of change you can believe in, his own campaign slogan will not actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem.

Whereas McCain's slogan "Country First" actually contains all of his foreign and domestic policies in detail? Is this some sort of kabbalistic knowledge, where you take the numerical values of each letter in the slogan and manipulate them until they expand into the entire Torah...I mean, platform?

I love your implication that people who aren't voting for your chosen candidate must be doing so for superficial reasons.

Whereas McCain's slogan "Country First" actually contains all of his foreign and domestic policies in detail? Is this some sort of kabbalistic knowledge, where you take the numerical values of each letter in the slogan and manipulate them until they expand into the entire Torah...I mean, platform?


You didnt know that? Crowley spells it out explicitly in one of his essays.

He would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions on a presidential level. As Sen Hillary Clinton of all sources said: She would not allow herself to be used by a dictator for their political propaganda. She stated something along this line, and she is right

The US is already being used as a propaganda tool by dictators everywhere.

Obama would establish full economic, political and social relations with the Cuban dictatorship government. It is no secret the Liberals in Congress who will have a majority of the seats in the House and senate are itching to establish relations with the Cuban dictatorship government without any democratic reforms in Cuba. With a Democrat president Obama those kind of relations would be very possible.

The US has cut Cuba off politically and economically for decades with no results to show for it. Establishing economic and political relations is more likely to affect change for the increase of political, economic, and civil liberties. This is especially true for the economic ties. Show them how capitalism will make them better off and threaten to eliminate recent economic gains by putting back up the economic sanctions would be better tools than none at all.

I've already voted. I voted for Barack Obama.

Same here.

You didnt know that? Crowley spells it out explicitly in one of his essays.

Hrm. Let me consult the oracle bones *mumbles*

Hrm. Let me consult the oracle bones *mumbles*

Bone? Bah! Entrail reading is what the real diviners use.

Bone? Bah! Entrail reading is what the real diviners use.

I didn't want to make a mess. But if a mess isn't a worry, I find that freshly slaughtered goat's blood mixed with, *er* "precious bodily fluids" mixed in the dirt works best.

EDIT: Anyone else find it odd that more people on NSG right now support the Constitution Party than the Republicans?

Republicans are all too busy deciding whether to buy plumbing businesses to talk politics on teh intertubes.

Republicans are all too busy deciding whether to buy plumbing businesses to talk politics on teh intertubes.

What would Joe the plumber do?

What would Joe the plumber do?

He should give up plumbing and go on all the talk shows. Hell he should make his own video game!
:tongue:

California. Obama.

I'm voting for Obama.....

But for the sake of discussion: McCain's economic plan seems to have some serious flaws:
1)The Tax Policy Center (non partisan) issued an interesting analysis of both candidate's tax plans. It is striking to me that McCain can charge Obama as someone who plays class politics when McCain's own tax plans favor high-income earners. This analysis is fairly incontrovertible:
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/06/comparison-of-t.html

As for McCain's suggestions that nuclear energy is one viable route:
2)The problem is that this doesn't cut the dependency of *transportation* on oil. There just isn't good enough fuel cell technology that allows for nuclear power to serve as a replacement for fuel technology. Second, McCain calls for 45 plants to be built by 2030 -- yet McCain doesn't address what it would take to upgrade the existing plants (which are sorely in need of renovation). If the existing grid itself isn't upgraded, the new plants in fact don't add anything new, they just replace what's old and not working very well. McCain's plan doesn't account for this.

On Foreign Policy:
3) Gen. Petraeus, whom McCain has lauded as a war hero, has recently stated his position that we *should* negotiate with our adversaries. This directly contradicts McCain's position, and radically undermines the Republican candidate's claims.
http://washingtonindependent.com/11381/petraeus

Barack Obama the candidate of change you can believe in as his campaign slogan suggests. Its a very clever way to mean everything to all voters. Its just a campaign slogan to get your votes. If Barack Obama becomes president he will be a Liberal president in the American sense not the European sense. But the candidate of change you can believe in, his own campaign slogan will not actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem.

A Liberal on the economy, foreign policy and defense. Obama would be the first socialist president of the USA.

That's where I stopped reading...

...if you expect us to take you seriously, you need to take us seriously.

Wisconsin - Obama

Obama would stablish full economic, political and social relations with the Cuban dictatorship government. It is no secret the Liberals in Congress who will have a majority of the seats in the House and senate are itching to establish relations with the Cuban dictatorship government without any democratic reforms in Cuba. With a Democrat president Obama those kind of relations would be very possible.

You seem to be wrong:

The Case of Cuba:
After nearly 50 years of failure, we must turn the page and begin to write a new chapter in U.S.- Cuba policy to help advance the cause of freedom and democracy in Cuba. To write this new chapter, Barack Obama will keep U.S. national interests, and not partisan or electoral interests, at the forefront. We must strive to empower the Cuban people and aim to position the United States to help foster a stable and peaceful transition in Cuba to avoid potential disasters that could result in mass migration, internal violence or the
perpetuation of the Cuban dictatorship. A democratic opening in Cuba is, and should be, the foremost objective of our policy.

Empower the Cuban People:
The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is
to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways. Obama’s approach is built around empowering the Cuban people, who ultimately hold Cuba’s destiny in their hands.

Enable Cuban Americans:
Cuban American connections to family in Cuba are not only a basic right in humanitarian terms, but also our best tool for helping to foster the beginnings of grassroots democracy on the island. Accordingly, as president, Obama will grant Cuban Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and
send remittances to the island.

Conduct Aggressive and Principled Diplomacy:
As president, Obama would take steps to liberalize relations with Cuba now while holding back important incentives such as relaxation of the trade embargo and greater foreign aid so that we can encourage change in a post-Fidel government. Preserving such incentives for change makes strategic sense because we know that Castro’s death or the transfer of power to his brother, Raul, will not automatically guarantee freedom. A crucial component of the Obama plan to promote freedom and democratic change in Cuba will be aggressive and principled bilateral diplomacy.
Obama will send an important message: if a post-Fidel government begins opening Cuba to democratic change, frees political prisoners and holds elections, the United States is prepared to take steps to normalize
relations and ease the embargo that has governed relations between our countries for the last five decades.
That would be the best means of promoting Cuban freedom.

http://obama.3cdn.net/f579b3802a3d35c8d5_9aymvyqpo.pdf

PDF. quoted from page 3.

Barack Obama the candidate of change you can believe in as his campaign slogan suggests. Its a very clever way to mean everything to all voters. Its just a campaign slogan to get your votes. If Barack Obama becomes president he will be a Liberal president in the American sense not the European sense. But the candidate of change you can believe in, his own campaign slogan will not actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem.

A Liberal on the economy, foreign policy and defense. Obama would be the first socialist president of the USA. Recently he has talked about the redistribution of wealth. Weak on foreign policy, would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions, weak on defense, his Secretary of State or Defense would probably be the Liberal leftist Sen Christopher Dodd, in my view.

My one issue litmus test is Cuba. I know 99 percent % of my fellow NS nations do not care about the Cuba issues. But it is my right to care. I am also a Republican for economic, foreign policy and defense reasons. I believe in a strong pro USA foreing policy and defense policy. In my view that is Sen John McCain not Sen Obama. As a Cuban American citizen I cannot vote for Sen Obama.

candidates are more than their slogans. obama has outline thoroughly exactly what kind of change he is talking about.

i like him for all the reasons you dislike him. the only thing that i would want extra (besides being pro-gay marriage) is for him to advocate normalizing relations with cuba and ending the embargo.

new mexico

USA 2008 Presidential Election Poll after all the debates. USA citizen who will you vote for? If you are still undecided post it, come back post and vote when you are decided, open time poll. Post which USA State you are from? Non USA citizen, who do you support? Post it, your views and comments are always welcomed.

Barack Obama the candidate of change you can believe in as his campaign slogan suggests. Its a very clever way to mean everything to all voters. Its just a campaign slogan to get your votes. If Barack Obama becomes president he will be a Liberal president in the American sense not the European sense. But the candidate of change you can believe in, his own campaign slogan will not actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem.

A Liberal on the economy, foreign policy and defense. Obama would be the first socialist president of the USA. Recently he has talked about the redistribution of wealth. Weak on foreign policy, would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions, weak on defense, his Secretary of State or Defense would probably be the Liberal leftist Sen Christopher Dodd, in my view.


So, are you saying Obama isn't the candidate of change like he says, but yet you believe he's going to change US economic, foreign, and defense policy?

So, are you saying Obama isn't the candidate of change like he says, but yet you believe he's going to change US economic, foreign, and defense policy?
It's called 'doublethink'.

OP Snip
You know, calling someone a leftist doesn't count as a rational argument.

Michigan, already voted for Obama. Luckily my absentee ballot arrived the day before I went on leave.

If I was American, I'd vote for Obama. Simply because the prospect of Sarah "dumber than advertised" Palin being in charge of the world's strongest superpower makes me involuntarily evacuate my bowels.

If I was American, I'd vote for Obama. Simply because the prospect of Sarah "dumber than advertised" Palin being in charge of the world's strongest superpower makes me involuntarily evacuate my bowels.

I loved that during last night's debate McCain wouldn't answer the question of why Palin might make a good President in his absence, but rather stuck with saying how she could help him as VP.

Apparently, even McCain can't defend Palin as President.

I voted early at my school, and I voted for Obama.

Obama, UK

So if NSG decided the fate of the nation, the USA would be a one party state. I love this forum.

Pfft, you want to turn us into commies. That makes your opinion auto-invalid. :tongue:

Pfft, you want to turn us into commies. That makes your opinion auto-invalid. :tongue:

If only you knew the power of the Red Side. Join us, it is your destiny!

He would meet with unfriendly world leaders without preconditions on a presidential level. As Sen Hillary Clinton of all sources said: She would not allow herself to be used by a dictator for their political propaganda. She stated something along this line, and she is right.

Obama would stablish full economic, political and social relations with the Cuban dictatorship government. It is no secret the Liberals in Congress who will have a majority of the seats in the House and senate are itching to establish relations with the Cuban dictatorship government without any democratic reforms in Cuba. With a Democrat president Obama those kind of relations would be very possible.

As a Cuban American I cannot vote for Obama. The cuban issues is as important to me as Israel is to Jewish Americans. Obama would be more pro Arab than pro Israel, based on statements Obama has made in the recent past. Sorry dont provide a link, but it is fairly well known.

I know and understand that would delight most of my fellow NS nations.

You know, having witnessed the last eight years in the US, democracy is overrated.

Obama for me.

If only you knew the power of the Red Side. Join us, it is your destiny!

Nevar! I shall remain True Blue for all time!

You know, having witnessed the last eight years in the US, democracy is overrated.

I'm going to be pedantic here. Excuse me.

Every system has its faults. Decrying the system for the faults and attempting to do away with the system entirely because of its faults is the wrong sort of action, just like, say, eliminating the Department of Education because it's not providing good enough education won't accomplish anything.

You alter the system in a way that improves it, not destroy it.

Nevar! I shall remain True Blue for all time!

We've already corrupted you, Mr. Smurf.

Have you ever thought what Smurf means? S.M.U.R.F. is an acronym. It means "Socialist Men Under the Red Father". We've already converted you, and you never new it.

The NKVD will be arriving at your house shortly. We would appreciate your cooperation. :p

Nevada, Obama/Biden.

I just got my Sample Ballot in the mail today. And will be voting this weekend or sometime next week.

We've already corrupted you, Mr. Smurf.

Have you ever thought what Smurf means? S.M.U.R.F. is an acronym. It means "Socialist Men Under the Red Father". We've already converted you, and you never new it.

The NKVD will be arriving at your house shortly. We would appreciate your cooperation. :p
I shall fight to the lahst! You shall never take me alive!

I shall fight to the lahst! You shall never take me alive!

That can be arranged. Thank you for your cooperation. :mp5: