NationStates Jolt Archive

What are you against? By this, I mean, what is it you oppose or don't like staunchly?

I am against people who are anti-anarchists, I am against Democrats, and against Republicans. I'm against communists, and those who believe in big government.

I am also against Anarchists.:D

I'm against misconceptions.

I'm against Opposition. To me.

"I'm against misconceptions." How so?

How so?

Specifically related to political ideals, which in turn causes negative sentiments towards the mentioned.

I am chiefly against bigots, tyrants, anti-scientists, and Amalekites.

*deep breath*

I'm against sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, aggression, greed, the tyranny of the majority, foreign policy interventionism (except in the most extreme cases), unregulated capitalism, communism, anarchism, libertarianism, social conservatism, David Cameron's face, the death penalty, identity cards (the type with all your personal data included proposed by the British government), detention without trial, creationism, organised religion, and Little Britain (REPEATING THE SAME CATCHPHRASES IN EVERY SINGLE EPISODE IS NOT FUNNY).

*breathes*. Whew.

I am against naked women; but not as often as I'd like to be. :D

What are you against? By this, I mean, what is it you oppose or don't like staunchly?

I am against ignorance, and those who seek to encourage it.

I am against censorship, and those who seek to apply it.

I am against oppression, and those that seek to utilize it.

I am against extremism, and those who promote it.

I am against tyranny, and those who seek to wield it.

I'm also against tyranny, though not in the fashion which the governing body has to be wiped out. It has to be transformed; changed so as to benefit everything, not just itself. Thats why tyranny can't work in the long-run.

Cronieism!

*deep breath*

I'm against sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, the tyranny of the majority, foreign policy interventionism (except in the most extreme cases), unregulated capitalism, communism, anarchism, libertarianism, social conservatism, the death penalty, identity cards, detention without trial, organised religion, and Little Britain (REPEATING THE SAME CATCHPHRASES IN EVERY SINGLE EPISODE IS NOT FUNNY).

Identity Cards? Really? Why?

I'm against whatever I need to hate to get votes

Identity Cards? Really? Why?

I meant that in the specific sense of the UK proposed scheme where basically all your personal details will be stored on one card and in one central database. Firstly because the government is always losing information, and dishonest persons if they got their hands on the information could defraud millions, and secondly I don't like the mentality that all citizens are potentially security threats, which I view as symptomatic of a corrosive social paranoia that decreases trust and community spirit.

Class society, the state, heterosexism, patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism, speciesism, religious fundamentalism, conservatism, pacifism, the Republican Party, blind anti-rational "tolerance", intellectual dishonesty, willful ignorance and irrationality, and a lot of other things.

I meant that in the specific sense of the UK proposed scheme where basically all your personal details will be stored on one card and in one central database. Firstly because the government is always losing information, and secondly I don't like the mentality that all citizens are potentially security threats, which I view as symptomatic of a corrosive social paranoia that decreases trust and community spirit.

Thanks for the explanation. I've had both my state (Ohio) and country (via the VA) lose my info. It's a valid concern.

I'm also against tyranny, though not in the fashion which the governing body has to be wiped out. It has to be transformed; changed so as to benefit everything, not just itself. Thats why tyranny can't work in the long-run.

Well, yeah. Obviously there's a lot more complexity to everything we're discussing here.

I just felt like sound-biting. :tongue:

I can't tell y'all all the stuff I'm against because y'all won't understand and stuff.

I can't tell y'all all the stuff I'm against because y'all won't understand and stuff.

I'm against people who think I won't understand.:D

I can't tell y'all all the stuff I'm against because y'all won't understand and stuff.

You could try, at least. No way to know until you try!

Homophobes.

Homophobes.

Yeh, those bastards all sound the same. No, wait, thats homophones

*comedy drum roll*

Goodnight everybody!

I'm against eternal life.

Yeh, those bastards all sound the same. No, wait, thats homophones

*comedy drum roll*

Goodnight everybody!

*sound of crickets*

What do ya got?

I'm also against tyranny, though not in the fashion which the governing body has to be wiped out. It has to be transformed; changed so as to benefit everything, not just itself. Thats why tyranny can't work in the long-run.
You should have been at the shoulders of bush n blair,could have saved us a lot of grief

Against Bigotry and racism plus fearmongers mainly

Class society, the state, heterosexism, patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism, speciesism, religious fundamentalism, conservatism, pacifism, the Republican Party, blind anti-rational "tolerance", intellectual dishonesty, willful ignorance and irrationality, and a lot of other things.
When taken with your posting history of strongly advocating anti-White discrimination, it says alot about you that you would be against White supremacy instead of racial supremacy.

evangelists.

and trolls

When taken with your posting history of strongly advocating anti-White discrimination, it says alot about you that you would be against White supremacy instead of racial supremacy.

ROTFLASTC

*between giggles sputters something about "pots" and "kettle" and "people who live in glass houses"*

A person is not defined by what it is against, but for what it stands.

What do ya got?

Damn you for beating me to that!!!

A person is not defined by what it is against, but for what it stands.

I am pro-wedgie.

I'm against people who don't believe in LG! :eek2:

I am against the grain of the shattered sky no one is going to get this are they.

I am against the grain of the shattered sky no one is going to get this are they.

If they did, chances are they wouldn't respond. And if it's what I'm not thinking of, they certainly wouldn't be named CM.

>.>

<.<

Contra: Leftism (not Liberalism), Communism, Nazism, big government, inefficiency, Islam, Socialists, Russia, Religious Fundamentalism, people who are anti-Science, creationists, Religious Politics, people who are anti-Israel, Racial supremacists, "Salad-Bowl Society", "diversity", people who are anti-assimilation, mass-immigration, Weißwurst, people ignorant of the world around them, dumb people, attractive girls with no brains, people who don't take pride in themselves, people who are asocial, onions, anti-Americans.

In no particular order off the top of my head.

I'm opposed to privilege, hipsters, yuppies, professional and college sports, bands with more than 6 members, albums which have more than 2 bands performing on them (including tracks which "feat. Some Asshole"), first time voters, comedies which go nowhere and have no jokes, inheritance, arbitrary use of big words, people who describe themselves as "nonreligious yet spiritual," slice of life stories in which no one does anything nasty to anyone else, stability and the phrase "I didn't mean it."

EDIT: I'm also opposed to The Atlantian Islands and his vile anti-onion prejudice. Boo! BOO!

ROTFLASTC

*between giggles sputters something about "pots" and "kettle" and "people who live in glass houses"*

Now, if only I was actually a White supremacist...

Willful ignorance and general meanness to others.

A person is not defined by what it is against, but for what it stands.

it rubs the lotion on its skin?

I'm opposed to privilege, hipsters, yuppies, professional and college sports, bands with more than 6 members, albums which have more than 2 bands performing on them (including tracks which "feat. Some Asshole"), first time voters, comedies which go nowhere and have no jokes, inheritance, arbitrary use of big words, people who describe themselves as "nonreligious yet spiritual," slice of life stories in which no one does anything nasty to anyone else, stability and the phrase "I didn't mean it."
This.

:hail:

Now, if only I was actually a White supremacist...

didn't say you were. You do, however have a "posting history of strongly advocating [pro]-White discrimination."

When taken with your posting history of strongly advocating anti-White discrimination, it says alot about you that you would be against White supremacy instead of racial supremacy.

Yeah, my hatred for white people (and men and straight people) is legendary.

The Atlanta Braves, stupidity, and most any kind of -ist.

You could try, at least. No way to know until you try!

Nah, I know, watch......

compulsory immunizations
US public school educational model and theory


*waits 20 seconds*


see?!

Oh gods, how much time do we have? I am opposed to:

* Cultural limbo-contests. I.e. "how low can it go?" - Throw in anti-intellectualism with that.
* Popularism (usually combined with the above)
* People who propose democracy or privatisation as some kind of panacea
* Asset squatters. Privateers who take over a great institution (such as the National Grid or LUL) for coppers, and claim it couldn't possibly work without their expertise, when they couldn't not even have conceived of such a project themselves. A.K.A. Transco
* Asset strippers. As above, but with the intent to run it into the ground rather than monopolize it. A.K.A. Central Trains
* The House of Commons. Although I reluctantly concede it's a part of our heritage, I'm ideologically opposed to it.
* Religious extremists (inc. Promised Landers/Zionists), racists (particularly anti-immigrant), Marxists / Class Warfare nuts, Republicans (in the Australian, Canadian and UK sense, not Irish or American), Conspiracy nuts
* Pyramidiots

When taken with your posting history of strongly advocating anti-White discrimination, it says alot about you that you would be against White supremacy instead of racial supremacy.
I...

ROTFLASTC

*between giggles sputters something about "pots" and "kettle" and "people who live in glass houses"*
This.
Contra: Leftism (not Liberalism), Communism, Nazism, big government, inefficiency, Islam, Socialists, Russia, Religious Fundamentalism, people who are anti-Science, creationists, Religious Politics, people who are anti-Israel, Racial supremacists, "Salad-Bowl Society", "diversity", people who are anti-assimilation, mass-immigration, Weißwurst, people ignorant of the world around them, dumb people, attractive girls with no brains, people who don't take pride in themselves, people who are asocial, onions, anti-Americans.

In no particular order off the top of my head.

I'm sorry, but I think you described yourself about six different times in that post.

Nah, I know, watch......

compulsory immunizations
US public school educational model and theory


*waits 20 seconds*


see?!
I think I understand why you would be against compulsory immunizations, though I don't agree.

US public school education...do you mean public school education period, or just as it's currently practiced?

I think I understand why you would be against compulsory immunizations, though I don't agree.
I really think you don't, and I think because you don't, you disagree.

US public school education...do you mean public school education period, or just as it's currently practiced?
The entire "this is what education should be and this is how schools should be set up" thing.

Class society, the state, heterosexism, patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism, speciesism, religious fundamentalism, conservatism, pacifism, the Republican Party, blind anti-rational "tolerance", intellectual dishonesty, willful ignorance and irrationality, and a lot of other things.

When taken with your posting history of strongly advocating anti-White discrimination, it says alot about you that you would be against White supremacy instead of racial supremacy.

Citation needed.

Nah, I know, watch......

compulsory immunizations
US public school educational model and theory


*waits 20 seconds*


see?!

1. Is a needed. can't have Smallpox making a comeback.

2. I COMPLETELY agree with this.

Citation needed.

I think he's referring to my repeated defenses of affirmative action. I can't think of what else he would be talking about.

didn't say you were. You do, however have a "posting history of strongly advocating [pro]-White discrimination."
Pro-White discrimination? In what case have I ever advocated 'Pro-White discrimination"???
Yeah, my hatred for white people (and men and straight people) is legendary.
Yes, that's why I stated so. As for the other two, if you say so.
Citation needed.
What?
I...
I'm sorry, but I think you described yourself about six different times in that post.
Where? List the 6 please.

Pro-White discrimination? In what case have I ever advocated 'Pro-White discrimination"???

Let's see: in just about every thread you start.

Granted, you rarely (if ever) come out and openly say you are in favor of pro-white discrimination.

EDIT: And you defend yourself from the pro-white accusation by hating white people if the happen to be Muslim.

I'm against people who don't believe in LG! :eek2:

I shall wedgie them all!

I really think you don't, and I think because you don't, you disagree.
Okay, then tell us why you are against such immunizations, then.


The entire "this is what education should be and this is how schools should be set up" thing.
So, basically, the way it's practiced now, then?

Would you be for public education if it was practiced in a model that you agree with?
inefficiency, Racial supremacists, people who are anti-assimilation, people ignorant of the world around them, dumb people, people who are asocial, onions,



Where? List the 6 please.

I take that back.

It's seven.

Okay, then tell us why you are against such immunizations, then.
I'm curious now, why do you think I'm against them?


So, basically, the way it's practiced now, then?

Would you be for public education if it was practiced in a model that you agree with?
oh, absolutely.

Let's see: in just about every thread you start.

Granted, you rarely (if ever) come out and openly say you are in favor of pro-white discrimination.

EDIT: And you defend yourself from the pro-white accusation by hating white people if the happen to be Muslim.
So then that's just your opinion and not factual.....which is what I thought.

Ok.



I take that back.

It's seven.

inefficiency, Racial supremacists, people who are anti-assimilation, people ignorant of the world around them, dumb people, people who are asocial, onions,


Ok then let's break this down:

Inefficienct: I am not and you couldn't know without knowing me. So, incorrect there.

Racial Supremacist: I am not and you have no proof of that. So, incorrect there.

Anti-assimilation: Not at all. Incorrect there.

Ignorant of the world around me: Hah! Laughable! I travel, read international political journals, study international relations, have friends in more countries than I can count, have lived/studied abroad and have international family! So, incorrect there.

Dumb: Obviously you must be mistaken. Do you really think I'm dumb? Oh, that's also a reportable flame....

Asocial: Couldn't be farther from the truth, not that you'd know because you don't know me. So, incorrect there.

Onion: God no. Then I'd have to hate myself and I do rather like myself. So, incorrect there.

I'm curious now, why do you think I'm against them?

My guess was something along the lines of "Taking away a person's freedom to deny the vaccination" for some reason, such as potential government abuse of it, but somehow I suspect that's not it.


oh, absolutely.

In that case, in a general sense, we agree.

So then that's just your opinion and not factual.....which is what I thought.
Did I claim it was factual?

Ok.


Ok then let's break this down:

Yay!

Inefficienct: I am not and you couldn't know without knowing me. So, incorrect there.

Really? Because you tend to ramble on when you should speak more succintly. At least that's the impression I get, anyway.

Racial Supremacist: I am not and you have no proof of that. So, incorrect there.

I point to your entire posting history.

Anti-assimilation: Not at all. Incorrect there.

This is actually a bit of a toughie, but I suspect this of you mostly in that you don't want certain people in a culture to begin with, so you're anti-assimilation-of-those-people.

Well, that, and you don't like the Borg. :tongue:

Ignorant of the world around me: Hah! Laughable! I travel, read international political journals, study international relations, have friends in more countries than I can count, have lived/studied abroad and have international family! So, incorrect there.

And yet, you form such uneducated opinions...

Dumb: Obviously you must be mistaken. Do you really think I'm dumb? Oh, that's also a reportable flame....

Hey, you said it, not me.

Asocial: Couldn't be farther from the truth, not that you'd know because you don't know me. So, incorrect there.

You strike me as such because of your tendency towards intolerance.

Onion: God no. Then I'd have to hate myself and I do rather like myself. So, incorrect there.
Just out of curiosity: what did you mean by onion, anyway? I was thinking the vegetable. /nodnod

Did I claim it was factual?

That wasn't directed towards you.

Really? Because you tend to ramble on when you should speak more succintly. At least that's the impression I get, anyway.
I don't ramble, but I often have to repeat the same stuff over and over again because people choose to ignore it and make personal attacks and stupid side-swipes instead of actually debate the issues.

I point to your entire posting history.
What about it? When have I advocated racial supremacy? That means I believe one race is supreme and is the best. That's what Supremacy means.

This is actually a bit of a toughie, but I suspect this of you mostly in that you don't want certain people in a culture to begin with, so you're anti-assimilation-of-those-people.
:rolleyes: That's a stretch. I have never called for "no immigration" whatsoever, I'll always let people in, but at a slower, steady rate so that they can be assimilated.
Well, that, and you don't like the Borg. :tongue:
That's because they resist assimilation! :p
And yet, you form such uneducated opinions...
In my opinion, the opinions you form are uneducated, simplistic and only works in a world where everything is happy-go-lucky-diversityrainbows. But we each have our own opinions.....
Hey, you said it, not me.
No I didn't you said I was dumb, as that was one of the things I listed that you said I was.
You strike me as such because of your tendency towards intolerance.
I don't mix politics with hanging out with people....
Just out of curiosity: what did you mean by onion, anyway? I was thinking the vegetable. /nodnod
I meant the food, it's disgusting. Which is why it makes all the less sense that you called me an onion.

Citation needed.

What?

Wikipedian for "prove it".

So then that's just your opinion and not factual.....which is what I thought.


Obviously its my opinion, but that doesn't mean it has no basis in fact.

Let's see: you believe there are significant genetic differences between "the races," American X made you feel good, believe multi-culturalism sparks ethnic and racial tensions, totally destroys the concepts of unity and community," believe white rule was best for Africa, etc ...

I am against Americans who think that they are right purely because they are American. This type of thinking really pisses me off.

Don't exaggerate.

TAI is inefficienct, a racial supremacist, ignorant of the world around him, and apparently dumb.

But he is not anti-assimilation, asocial, or an onion.

I am against total agnostics and total relativists. I'm not talking about people who are honestly trying to figure things out for themselves. I'm talking about people who say their own existence needs to be proved.

Class society, the state, heterosexism, patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism, speciesism, religious fundamentalism, conservatism, pacifism, the Republican Party, blind anti-rational "tolerance", intellectual dishonesty, willful ignorance and irrationality, and a lot of other things.

Basically that. :)

Let's see: you believe there are significant genetic differences between "the races,"
Indeed.

American X made you feel good,
I found it an interesting showing of race-relations in the super-multicultural parts of America.

Make no mistake, it didn't make me feel good because it had Nazis in it or some other ridiculous thought you're probably thinking.


believe multi-culturalism sparks ethnic and racial tensions,
Yes
totally destroys the concepts of unity and community,"
Yeah
believe white rule was best for Africa, etc ...
No. I said Africa, under White rule, was better off than it is now.

TAI is inefficienct, a racial supremacist, ignorant of the world around him, and apparently dumb.

Well that's comforting. Frankly I'd be disturbed if I heard anything other than that from you.

Anyway, sticks and stones and all that. Your words don't hurt me in the slightest. :)

I shall wedgie them all!You can do it! /forgot that actor's name

Theft.

I am against abrahamic religions.


Oh, and the New York Yankees.

That wasn't directed towards you.

That'll teach me to read posts more carefully.

I don't ramble, but I often have to repeat the same stuff over and over again because people choose to ignore it and make personal attacks and stupid side-swipes instead of actually debate the issues.

Or, you know, they're pointing out what you're saying is bullshit.

What about it? When have I advocated racial supremacy? That means I believe one race is supreme and is the best. That's what Supremacy means.

Thank you Commander Dictionary.

I again point to your entire posting history. As Cat Tribes said, it's a subtle thing, but it's obvious to everyone. I honestly don't know why you don't just come out and say it outright. We'd respect you more for at least, you know, actually standing up for your beliefs instead of pretending they're something else.


:rolleyes: That's a stretch. I have never called for "no immigration" whatsoever, I'll always let people in, but at a slower, steady rate so that they can be assimilated.

Hmm...

Can someone check this? I'm lazy.

That's because they resist assimilation! :p

Well duh.

In my opinion, the opinions you form are uneducated, simplistic and only works in a world where everything is happy-go-lucky-diversityrainbows. But we each have our own opinions.....

Obviously.

Too bad reality has a liberal bias.


No I didn't you said I was dumb, as that was one of the things I listed that you said I was.


You asked me to list the things that I said were you describing yourself. I did what you asked me to do. At no point did I specifically call you dumb. I pointed out that in my opinion you called yourself dumb.

I'm playing a semantics game here.

I don't mix politics with hanging out with people....

OhIsee.

I meant the food, it's disgusting. Which is why it makes all the less sense that you called me an onion.
What.

Onions are wonderful food. But they do tend to make you cry.

Too bad reality has a liberal bias.Explain this for me, please?

Add moral relativism, anti-intellectualism, and the branch of literary analysis that insists upon making everything into an allegory.

Oh, Im against the foolish notion that the free market will fix everything on its own, too.

Indeed.


I found it an interesting showing of race-relations in the super-multicultural parts of America.

Make no mistake, it didn't make me feel good because it had Nazis in it or some other ridiculous thought you're probably thinking.



Yes

Yeah

No. I said Africa, under White rule, was better off than it is now.

Thanks for making my case.

Just for the record, what you liked about American History X:

For example....when they were talking about illegal immigration driving citizens to be fired in exchange for cheaper labor, I couldn't help but say.."yeah that isn't right." When they were at the dinner table talking about the Rodney King trail, I couldn't help but agreeing with Derek when he said that people get so wrapped up in the "injustice and racism of the system", that they forget that this guy was speeding around, high as a kite and then charged and attacked the cops....

But then you see that it is not as simple as this race is good and this race is bad, because for example his only true friend in jail, and the reason he got out alive, was a cool black guy....meanwhile his "white racial warriors" raped him..... Also, the black teacher Sweeney makes such a great point in the video by saying, "has anything you've done make your life better." I thought it was so powerful when he said that.

I think it was a fantastic movie because it shows you why for example some White people living in these super multicultural places (and I lived in Southern California..so I know), get fed up with whats happening to society.

Now, granted, the middle part is somewhat reasonable, but the rest fits your pattern.

I meant the food, it's disgusting. Which is why it makes all the less sense that you called me an onion.
You slanderous bastard. You lying, malicious, uncouth . . . .
How dare you defy the majesty that is the lovely, perfect onion! Truly, it is God's vegetable this humble orb, but you defame it with your words?
That's it, I'm adding you to the list of things I'm against.

I'm against anyone who tells me I have to live my life a certain way in order to conform with social standards, including economic ones. To make it simpler, I call that belief "collectivism".

I'm also against boulevard journalism, and boulevard politics. But they're connected to collectivism anyways.

Once. Just once. I would like a thread were TAI posts in to not turn into character assassination.

Itd be nice to discuss issues rather then gang rape TAI's character.

Once. Just once. I would like a thread were TAI posts in to not turn into character assassination.

Itd be nice to discuss issues rather then gang rape TAI's character.

Um. So you must be really offended by TAI's starting this by attacking Soheran?

Explain this for me, please?

Oh, I was referencing Colbert's joke line, since TAI was accusing my views of being some sort of namby-pamby nonsense, when they're actually based in what really works.

Um. So you must be really offended by TAI's starting this by attacking Soheran?

I didnt see him attacking Soheran. If I missed it, and he did, I condemn it as well. But are you honostly going to pretend that everytime TAI posts anything it doesnt always, without fail, degenerate into everyone point at him and screaming "RACIST!!!", often times even on the first post?


Regardless of whether I agree with TAI's views or not, and I usually dont, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially on the internet when I dont know a person in real life.

That, and Id rather discuss the issues and arguements he raises then if he hates darkies or not. Someone disagreeing with me does not make them a bad person. Most of the time.

TAI is inefficienct, a racial supremacist, ignorant of the world around him, and apparently dumb.
He's not ignorant of the world. That's the scary part - he had these views before he really saw much other than the occasional holiday. Then he went to Europe and actually stayed there for extended periods of time. But what you don't realise is how full Europe is of people who think pretty much like him - all he found there just reaffirmed his views. Now, obviously there was a bias involved in what he remembers and what he overlooks, but you really can't accuse him of being ignorant. He's just repeating what millions of Neanderthals in Europe are thinking.

And that's why I think attacking his person or character with accusations like these is pointless. It's not going to make him think, which is what you really want, because thinking is the way to dropping collectivist beliefs of all sorts, including his.

He's not ignorant of the world. That's the scary part - he had these views before he really saw much other than the occasional holiday. Then he went to Europe and actually stayed there for extended periods of time. But what you don't realise is how full Europe is of people who think pretty much like him - all he found there just reaffirmed his views. Now, obviously there was a bias involved in what he remembers and what he overlooks, but you really can't accuse him of being ignorant. He's just repeating what millions of Neanderthals in Europe are thinking.

And that's why I think attacking his person or character with accusations like these is pointless. It's not going to make him think, which is what you really want, because thinking is the way to dropping collectivist beliefs of all sorts, including his.
Makes us feel a little better about it though, and maybe it convinces some of those ever-seeing lurkers something?

Class society, the state, heterosexism, patriarchy, white supremacy, imperialism, speciesism, religious fundamentalism, conservatism, pacifism, the Republican Party, blind anti-rational "tolerance", intellectual dishonesty, willful ignorance and irrationality, and a lot of other things.

When taken with your posting history of strongly advocating anti-White discrimination, it says alot about you that you would be against White supremacy instead of racial supremacy.

ROTFLASTC

*between giggles sputters something about "pots" and "kettle" and "people who live in glass houses"*

Now, if only I was actually a White supremacist...

didn't say you were. You do, however have a "posting history of strongly advocating [pro]-White discrimination."

Pro-White discrimination? In what case have I ever advocated 'Pro-White discrimination"???


I didnt see him attacking Soheran. If I missed it, and he did, I condemn it as well. But are you honostly going to pretend that everytime TAI posts anything it doesnt always, without fail, degenerate into everyone point at him and screaming "RACIST!!!", often times even on the first post?

See the above. He started it. (And, yes, I know that is a playground excuse.)

Regardless of whether I agree with TAI's views or not, and I usually dont, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially on the internet when I dont know a person in real life.

What doubt is there to give the benefit of?

EDIT: Are you really going to insist that despite TAI's open belief that white culture is superior and his more "subtle" views on almost every other issue involving race, that he is not, in fact, racist?

That, and Id rather discuss the issues and arguements he raises then if he hates darkies or not. Someone disagreeing with me does not make them a bad person. Most of the time.

So even hating darkies wouldn't make someone a bad person?

But, that said, I agree we can discuss TAI's "issues" but they aren't totally divorced from his racial/cultural supremacy beliefs.

Oh, I was referencing Colbert's joke line, since TAI was accusing my views of being some sort of namby-pamby nonsense, when they're actually based in what really works.A joke from Steven Colbert used to make a point. I like it. :)
And you're shipping out with the Navy? Congratulations, I did think about joining the Navy, but decided I couldn't stand being at sea for months or even weeks. :P
That's why I'm considering being a Green Beret.

What doubt is there to give the benefit of?

The fact that I dont know him as a person.


So even hating darkies wouldn't make someone a bad person?

Wow. I never said that. You either misread something or are putting words in my mouth. I assume the former, because I expect too much of you for it to be the latter.

But, that said, I agree we can discuss TAI's "issues" but they aren't totally divorced from his racial/cultural supremacy beliefs.

Cultural supremacy is different from racial supremecy. I disagree with both beliefs, but they are not the same. Hes acknowledged a belief in culture supremecy, but I dont think hes racist.

I think he at times articulates his point poorly, which gives off the impression of racism. This is what I mean when I say I give him the benefit of the doubt. When people call him on it, he says they arent understanding his point. I think what he says is often misunderstood, and I dont think he knows that at times he does come off as racist.

Everytime Ive addressed a misunderstanding or disagreement with him, its been a pleasent discussion. Maybe because I dont scream "NAZI!" or "KLANSMEN!" whenever he posts....

Cultural supremacy is different from racial supremecy. I disagree with both beliefs, but they are not the same. Hes acknowledged a belief in culture supremecy, but I dont think hes racist.

I think he at times articulates his point poorly, which gives off the impression of racism. This is what I mean when I say I give him the benefit of the doubt. When people call him on it, he says they arent understanding his point. I think what he says is often misunderstood, and I dont think he knows that at times he does come off as racist.

Everytime Ive addressed a misunderstanding or disagreement with him, its been a pleasent discussion. Maybe because I dont scream "NAZI!" or "KLANSMEN!" whenever he posts....

I'll give him credit for being capable of civilized discussion and for being rather clever in his racism, but, yes, he is a racist.

Setting aside TAI's views on practically every issue related to race (including the significance of races), when the culture that you believe is supreme is "white culture," you are a racist.

And that's why I think attacking his person or character with accusations like these is pointless. It's not going to make him think, which is what you really want, because thinking is the way to dropping collectivist beliefs of all sorts, including his.

I've tired of coddling TAI in the vain hope he will "think" his way through his prejudices without being confronted about them.

(I'm not pretending others have not confronted him all along, just that I am tired of the argument that we shouldn't do it 'cuz its mean or "unproductive.")

I'll give him credit for being capable of civilized discussion and for being rather clever in his racism, but, yes, he is a racist.

Setting aside TAI's views on practically every issue related to race (including the significance of races), when the culture that you believe is supreme is "white culture," you are a racist.

*shrug* If thats how you read it. I read it differently, and Im not going to change your mind, and dont care enough to put the effort into it.

I seriously dont care what posters here think about each other as people.

But seriously, some threads are becoming unreadable, because everytime he posts, even if its completelly innocent, it becomes hijacked with accusasios of him being a facist darky hater.

Thats my only point. Id like to discuss issues. Not posters.

*shrug* If thats how you read it. I read it differently, and Im not going to change your mind, and dont care enough to put the effort into it.

I seriously dont care what posters here think about each other as people.

But seriously, some threads are becoming unreadable, because everytime he posts, even if its completelly innocent, it becomes hijacked with accusasios of him being a facist darky hater.

Thats my only point. Id like to discuss issues. Not posters.

If TAI had discussed issues and not posters, we may well have avoided this road.

If TAI had shrugged off my first comment and not insisted on proof he was racist, we may well have avoided this road.

If TAI posts were usually "completely innocent," he wouldn't be accused of being a racist.

I refuse being held responsible for the consequences of TAI's actions and views because you have some soft-spot for him.

*shrug* If thats how you read it. I read it differently, and Im not going to change your mind, and dont care enough to put the effort into it.

I seriously dont care what posters here think about each other as people.

But seriously, some threads are becoming unreadable, because everytime he posts, even if its completelly innocent, it becomes hijacked with accusasios of him being a facist darky hater.

Thats my only point. Id like to discuss issues. Not posters.
If TAI had discussed issues and not posters, we may well have avoided this road.

If TAI had shrugged off my first comment and not insisted on proof he was racist, we may well have avoided this road.

If TAI posts were usually "completely innocent," he wouldn't be accused of being a racist.

I refuse being held responsible for the consequences of TAI's actions and views because you have some soft-spot for him.
So, one of you is against TAI's views, and the other is against calling TAI a racist simply because he "appears" to be one? Am I getting this, or am I totally lost? (Like usual.)

If TAI had discussed issues and not posters, we may well have avoided this road.

If TAI had shrugged off my first comment and not insisted on proof he was racist, we may well have avoided this road.

If TAI posts were usually "completely innocent," he wouldn't be accused of being a racist.

I refuse being held responsible for the consequences of TAI's actions and views because you have some soft-spot for him.

Fine, he took the first shot, but I guess expecting you told hold yourself to a higher standard is a lost cause. Im not even holding you responsible. Im just making a point that some threads are becoming unreadable.

And the "soft spot" for him I have is the exact same I have for any post I can have pleasent conversations with. If the tables were turned, I would be defending you.

So, one of you is against TAI's views, and the other is against calling TAI a racist simply because he "appears" to be one? Am I getting this, or am I totally lost? (Like usual.)

Its much more complicated than that, to be fair. There is a long history here of various posters holding animosity towards TAI.

Its much more complicated than that, to be fair. There is a long history here of various posters holding animosity towards TAI.OK.
Can you tell that I'm a helpless newbie? :D

I've tired of coddling TAI in the vain hope he will "think" his way through his prejudices without being confronted about them.
But your confrontations won't actually work their way through. You can call him a racist, but he's very much opposed to Albanians in Switzerland, for example. Albanians aren't signficantly different ethnically from Swiss people, even according to his ideas about ethnicity, which at one point were influenced largely by C.S. Coon (probably not anymore though, that was during Ny Nordland's times). He won't feel confronted in any way by you calling him a racist.

The big problem he has is minority communities not acting "properly". That usually means crime, some sort of self-imposed isolationism (while he largely ignores the non-self-imposed part), a lack of identification with society and so on. Those themes are common, in his eyes, among black people in the US, immigrants in Europe and even black people in South Africa (which he still sees as a European nation that just happens to house a lot of ungrateful African people). Race seems to be a correlation there, but I really don't think it's a determining factor.

The challenge lies in convincing him that government action in the form of strict immigration controls, deportations or other state-imposed violence wouldn't actually address the problem. There are a few lines of argument you can use to try and get there, and I've been trying for some time. At any rate though, calling him a racist isn't going to get anywhere. He won't even feel offended in any way.

And that's the last I'm going to say on that matter, it does feel rude to talk about other people like this, even though I don't think he'd disagree with anything I said.

OK.
Can you tell that I'm a helpless newbie? :D

There are relatonships between posters that have formed here, and without knowing some of these things soe comments will be total "WTF?!?" moments.

There are few here who I think are bad people. Cat Tribe is a freakin' genius, for example, while TAI is a pretty bright guy himself who happens to hold a pretty minority view here.

A joke from Steven Colbert used to make a point. I like it. :)
And you're shipping out with the Navy? Congratulations, I did think about joining the Navy, but decided I couldn't stand being at sea for months or even weeks. :P
That's why I'm considering being a Green Beret.

Yah. I like the ocean.

I'm going nuke, to boot. (Or at least I presume I am...that's not so certain at the moment since I need to take a new test all of a sudden...)

There are relatonships between posters that have formed here, and without knowing some of these things soe comments will be total "WTF?!?" moments.

There are few here who I think are bad people. Cat Tribe is a freakin' genius, for example, while TAI is a pretty bright guy himself who happens to hold a pretty minority view here.Well, my views would definitely earn me "bad feedback", I suppose. I'm not the most educated on current political, economical, or societal situations. :(
I'll sit on the sidelines and offer a funny comment now and then, I suppose. :)

Well, my views would definitely earn me "bad feedback", I suppose. I'm not the most educated on current political, economical, or societal situations. :(
I'll sit on the sidelines and offer a funny comment now and then, I suppose. :)

I'm only known as a smartass, really. Mostly harmless.

Yah. I like the ocean.

I'm going nuke, to boot. (Or at least I presume I am...that's not so certain at the moment since I need to take a new test all of a sudden...)Sweet, and good luck on the test. I'm thinking really hard on becoming a Green Beret. There's a link in my signature if you're interested. Summarized, it's the United States Army Special Forces.

I'm only known as a smartass, really. Mostly harmless.I'll take that under advisement when reading any of your responses to my post. :p

I'm not the most educated on current political, economical, or societal situations. :(
Best way of learning is having to defend one's position. You've got google, wiki, et al at your fingertips, so while desperately scrambling for that shred of information that would prove your point you're bound to pick up all sorts of useful facts and figures.

Only thing you need to make sure for that to work is a willingness to learn from everything you, and anyone else, says. Hence "Aut Disce, Aut Discede" in my signature.

That's another thing I'm against, by the way: people who don't learn.

I am opposed to the Westboro Baptist Chruch, Antitheism, Anti-Christianity, Anti-Islam...-ism?, Neoliberalism, The Left, Communism, Hard Socialism, Statism, Authoritarianism, Big Government, The People's Reublic of China (Government, not people/culture), Taiwan (Same as above), Russian invasion of Georgia, American invasion of Iraq, Mugabe, Ultra-Conservativism, Militant [Anything], Vegetable Monster, Opression, Racism, Feminism, Masculism, Political Correctness, Affimative Action, White Supression, Anglicisation of the Celtic Countries, France's system of governing her overseas posessions, Kaliningrad, Censorship, Forced Multiculturalism, Abortion, Incest, Acculturalisation, Conformity, Illegal Immigration, American Exceptionalism, The European Union, People who don't use commas enough, D.C. becoming a state, The fact that Delaware is a state (Pro-Biden, though!), The fact that California isn't two states, The fact that Canada didn't send a bloke to the Continental Congress, Oversexualisation of Popular Culture, Militant Vegetarianism, Rockall Independence, Divided Ireland, Divided Cyprus, and Anexation of Tibet.

Once. Just once. I would like a thread were TAI posts in to not turn into character assassination.

Itd be nice to discuss issues rather then gang rape TAI's character.

The problem is, this collective, vitriolic heckling of TAI, pigeon holing him into all these categories, actually makes things a whole lot worse. I've seen it happen to so many people, constantly marginalising people into enemies just breeds more resentment towards you and your beliefs, and radicalises them.

Best way of learning is having to defend one's position. You've got google, wiki, et al at your fingertips, so while desperately scrambling for that shred of information that would prove your point you're bound to pick up all sorts of useful facts and figures.

Only thing you need to make sure for that to work is a willingness to learn from everything you, and anyone else, says. Hence "Aut Disce, Aut Discede" in my signature.

That's another thing I'm against, by the way: people who don't learn.I'm focusing on getting ready for military life. I've had it incredibly easy so far, so, I'm pushing myself really hard physically, but not as hard mentally. And I do try to learn, but I'm more of a history-type. I like reading about Ancient Rome, Greece, Persia and the like.

What do you got? You name it and I am against it. Conflict is the great decider of evolution. Evolve or die.

What do you got? You name it and I am against it. Conflict is the great decider of evolution. Evolve or die.Anthropogenesis is a very slow process. That means that we'll most likely die out, by your statement.

The Atlanta Braves, stupidity, and most any kind of -ist.

Scient-ist?

Geolog-ist?

Chem-ist?

Biolog-ist?

Physic-ist?

Anthropolog-ist?

Archaeolog-ist?

Lingu-ist?

Pacif-ist?

Femin-ist?

Journal-ist?

Essay-ist?

Activ-ist?

Honestly, why do you hate these people?

He's not ignorant of the world. ...He's just repeating what millions of Neanderthals in Europe are thinking...

No. He's ignorant. And it's somewhat willful. You can lead TAI and people like him to the information and he'll just ignore it if it doesn't fit into the world view he had before. Besides, even if he was capable of learning, he's only been exposed to the slim sliver of human existence that rich, white college students experience. It's not like he's ever had a job or anything.

Cat Tribe is a freakin' genius, for example, while TAI is a pretty bright guy himself who happens to hold a pretty minority view here.

No. Sorry. He is not bright at all. I have had to explain some of my subtler insults to him as he didn't get them the first few times.

If I missed it, and he did, I condemn it as well.

It's not even worth condemning. It's just kind of pathetic.

I'm against: trying juveniles as adults, neglectful parents, child services agencies that put parents' rights ahead of children, ethnocentrism of any kind, censorship, people who mask their racism or other bigotry under assimilation, religious fundamentalism of any kind, parents interfering in school curriculum, intellectual snobbery, anti-intellectualism, the Rudd Government's alcohol tax, pro-lifers, the death penalty, the Nanny state, and people who allow their children to scream for an hour on the train while they read their Cosmo. Among other things.

What are you against? By this, I mean, what is it you oppose or don't like staunchly?
Beets and lima beans. *shudder*

Beets and lima beans. *shudder*
You don't like lima beans?
:(

i am totally against anti muslims and McCain supporters....though they are people too, they just differ from my views....nothing personal

I am opposed to the Westboro Baptist Chruch, Antitheism, Anti-Christianity, Anti-Islam...-ism?, Neoliberalism, The Left, Communism, Hard Socialism, Statism, Authoritarianism, Big Government, The People's Reublic of China (Government, not people/culture), Taiwan (Same as above), Russian invasion of Georgia, American invasion of Iraq, Mugabe, Ultra-Conservativism, Militant [Anything], Vegetable Monster, Opression, Racism, Feminism, Masculism, Political Correctness, Affimative Action, White Supression, Anglicisation of the Celtic Countries, France's system of governing her overseas posessions, Kaliningrad, Censorship, Forced Multiculturalism, Abortion, Incest, Acculturalisation, Conformity, Illegal Immigration, American Exceptionalism, The European Union, People who don't use commas enough, D.C. becoming a state, The fact that Delaware is a state (Pro-Biden, though!), The fact that California isn't two states, The fact that Canada didn't send a bloke to the Continental Congress, Oversexualisation of Popular Culture, Militant Vegetarianism, Rockall Independence, Divided Ireland, Divided Cyprus, and Anexation of Tibet.

yay ..hahaha. ...u r against abortion ?? hmmmm and yet you are against the others above ?? hmmm

Any team from the greater L.A. area.
Bigotry, especially government-approved bigotry.
Lima beans.
NCLB. Not the idea, just everything that was actually written and enacted in its name.
Greed.
Did I mention teams from L.A.? Okay, just making sure.

Beets and lima beans. *shudder*

I didn't even read this before I posted! I'm glad to know I'm not alone on the front line of the war on lima beans.

Any team from the greater L.A. area.
.....
Did I mention teams from L.A.? Okay, just making sure.

Why do you hate freedom?

I am against Republicans, Democrats, Socialism, Israel, US foreign policy, most wars, status quo, national identity cards, the media, McCbama, douche bags, extreme Christians, Fascism, and a bunch of other things I can't think of right now.

Why do you hate freedom?

I'm from NorCal. It's how we roll. We hate democracy pie.

I am against Republicans, Democrats, Socialism, Israel, US foreign policy, most wars, status quo, national identity cards, the media, McCbama, douche bags, extreme Christians, Fascism, and a bunch of other things I can't think of right now.

Is there anything left you like?

I am against naked women; but not as often as I'd like to be. :D

As usual, LG wins the thread within ten posts. :tongue:

Anthropolog-ist?

Especially nutritional ones.

Wow, you go out for a little bit, come back, watch the debates and then miss a whole discussion about your online posting personality. This really gives a whole new meaning to "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." :rolleyes:
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Thanks for making my case.

Just for the record, what you liked about American History X:



Now, granted, the middle part is somewhat reasonable, but the rest fits your pattern.
And I totally stand by what I said. You were seriously trying to paint another picture by saying "American History X made me feel good" or whatever it was. Don't assume for a moment I didn't see directly through that...
You slanderous bastard. You lying, malicious, uncouth . . . .
How dare you defy the majesty that is the lovely, perfect onion! Truly, it is God's vegetable this humble orb, but you defame it with your words?
That's it, I'm adding you to the list of things I'm against.
Well it's an awful, God-forsaken thing, the onion.
I didnt see him attacking Soheran. If I missed it, and he did, I condemn it as well. But are you honostly going to pretend that everytime TAI posts anything it doesnt always, without fail, degenerate into everyone point at him and screaming "RACIST!!!", often times even on the first post?


Regardless of whether I agree with TAI's views or not, and I usually dont, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, especially on the internet when I dont know a person in real life.

That, and Id rather discuss the issues and arguements he raises then if he hates darkies or not. Someone disagreeing with me does not make them a bad person. Most of the time.
I appreciate the benefit of the doubt and the nice defense. It hasn't gone unnoticed and won't be forgotten. And for the record I have never said nor will I ever say or imply that "I hate darkies".

He's not ignorant of the world. That's the scary part - he had these views before he really saw much other than the occasional holiday. Then he went to Europe and actually stayed there for extended periods of time. But what you don't realise is how full Europe is of people who think pretty much like him - all he found there just reaffirmed his views. Now, obviously there was a bias involved in what he remembers and what he overlooks, but you really can't accuse him of being ignorant. He's just repeating what millions of Neanderthals in Europe are thinking.

And that's why I think attacking his person or character with accusations like these is pointless. It's not going to make him think, which is what you really want, because thinking is the way to dropping collectivist beliefs of all sorts, including his.
Aside from calling me a Neanderthal :p, indeed. Call it what it is, political/ideological difference in how we view the world, the people living in it and how we/they interact with each other. Do not call it ignorance of the world when it clearly isn't.
See the above. He started it. (And, yes, I know that is a playground excuse.)



What doubt is there to give the benefit of?

EDIT: Are you really going to insist that despite TAI's open belief that white culture is superior and his more "subtle" views on almost every other issue involving race, that he is not, in fact, racist?



So even hating darkies wouldn't make someone a bad person?

But, that said, I agree we can discuss TAI's "issues" but they aren't totally divorced from his racial/cultural supremacy beliefs.
I'm not even gonna grace the "hating darkies" thing with a response but another thing you presume is that I'm always talking about "white culture".....I think it's disgraceful to cast aside all national uniqueness and just assume because people are White they all have the same culture. I'm not a White-Nationalist or a White-Supremacist. I believe in different, unique European cultures some better than others. However, having said that there are common values that most, if not all European cultures share. The ideas of the enlightenment for example, are European ideas, a part of European culture (and by extension, Anglo-Culture that extends to all the Anglo-colonies) that, in my opinion, make European culture the most progressive and advanced because it has devolped the ideas of freedom, capitalism, representation, rights, limitations on government, justice, reason and a limitation on religion that have helped to progress Europeans and all other people who have belived and trusted in the ideas of the Enlightenment.
I'll give him credit for being capable of civilized discussion and for being rather clever in his racism, but, yes, he is a racist.

Setting aside TAI's views on practically every issue related to race (including the significance of races), when the culture that you believe is supreme is "white culture," you are a racist.
Again, see above.
But your confrontations won't actually work their way through. You can call him a racist, but he's very much opposed to Albanians in Switzerland, for example. Albanians aren't signficantly different ethnically from Swiss people, even according to his ideas about ethnicity, which at one point were influenced largely by C.S. Coon (probably not anymore though, that was during Ny Nordland's times). He won't feel confronted in any way by you calling him a racist.
In the case of Albanians coming to Switzerland(and many other cases) it is not about race nor ethnicity, but about incompatible or even inferior cultures. Also, in defense of Coon, though you're correct and I don't really read up on anthropology as much as I used to (I was taking a class in Anthropology at the height of my interest in all of this and spoke in class often about my anthropological ideas), none of his work was ever about racial superiority nor inferiority, but simply about the different races of the world and the physical traits that were associated with them. He was not engineering some kind of racial superiority myth, but rather traveled the world to study the different kinds of people living in it.

The big problem he has is minority communities not acting "properly". That usually means crime, some sort of self-imposed isolationism (while he largely ignores the non-self-imposed part), a lack of identification with society and so on. Those themes are common, in his eyes, among black people in the US, immigrants in Europe and even black people in South Africa (which he still sees as a European nation that just happens to house a lot of ungrateful African people). Race seems to be a correlation there, but I really don't think it's a determining factor.

The challenge lies in convincing him that government action in the form of strict immigration controls, deportations or other state-imposed violence wouldn't actually address the problem. There are a few lines of argument you can use to try and get there, and I've been trying for some time. At any rate though, calling him a racist isn't going to get anywhere. He won't even feel offended in any way.

And that's the last I'm going to say on that matter, it does feel rude to talk about other people like this, even though I don't think he'd disagree with anything I said.
Not rude at all, you know I don't mind. I appreciate you sticking up for me and voicing your opinion at the same time. And no, I won't disagree with you, but we can continue the conversation further next time you're on MSN. And speaking of on MSN, next time you're on I want to continue picking your brain about the global economic climate:p...I have a few questions on a couple recent devolpments.
Best way of learning is having to defend one's position. You've got google, wiki, et al at your fingertips, so while desperately scrambling for that shred of information that would prove your point you're bound to pick up all sorts of useful facts and figures.

Only thing you need to make sure for that to work is a willingness to learn from everything you, and anyone else, says. Hence "Aut Disce, Aut Discede" in my signature.

That's another thing I'm against, by the way: people who don't learn.
Indeed. That's one of the reasons I'm still here. I like it here where most people disagree with me. It's fun and alot more exciting and thought-provoking than a forum where every agrees with me, though I doubt a place like that exists.
No. He's ignorant. And it's somewhat willful. You can lead TAI and people like him to the information and he'll just ignore it if it doesn't fit into the world view he had before. Besides, even if he was capable of learning, he's only been exposed to the slim sliver of human existence that rich, white college students experience. It's not like he's ever had a job or anything.



No. Sorry. He is not bright at all. I have had to explain some of my subtler insults to him as he didn't get them the first few times.
Heh, it's funny because you don't know my life at all, nor my experiences, both work and travel related.:)

I'm against being against people, I much rather prefer moderation - time to think as a pose to knee-jerk reactions. Consideration and openness to others' views is invaluable, doesn't mean you have to accept/believe said views but definately being open to them is a great thing I think.

dirty hippies I hate dirty hippies.

I am against Americans who think that they are right purely because they are American. This type of thinking really pisses me off.

As an American, I hate when other nations look at us that way. We all came from the same pile of goo. DNA proves that.

As an American, I hate when other nations look at us that way. We all came from the same pile of goo. DNA proves that.I agree! There's nothing inherently different about Americans and Europeans. We're all pricks and we know it. Americans have just learned to show it. :D

ROTFLASTC

*between giggles sputters something about "pots" and "kettle" and "people who live in glass houses"*

Sorry but had he said he was against it?

Nah, I know, watch......

compulsory immunizations

No I understand it is a combination of the right for a parent to choose and also that these immunisations are really government brain washing tools so when the time comes they can click a button and all Americans who have had these will be forced to join the USN.

*Hopes is only joking with the last one*

I'm against anyone who tells me I have to live my life a certain way in order to conform with social standards, including economic ones. To make it simpler, I call that belief "collectivism".

I'm also against boulevard journalism, and boulevard politics. But they're connected to collectivism anyways.

What is boulevard politics? I have an idea but would like to know what it is.

Only thing you need to make sure for that to work is a willingness to learn from everything you, and anyone else, says. Hence "Aut Disce, Aut Discede" in my signature.

Actually this is another thing that has bugged me, I have forgotten a large amount of words of the German I learnt while travelling in the country (pronunciation I still remember but not words) and I left my German-English Dictionary at my parents house so do you mind translating "Aut Disce, Aut Discede" for me?

to put it succintly, the tyranny of the dominance of aggressiveness.

(and don't try to snow me with that old, shortcommings of one idiology justifying, let alone somehow requiring, those of another)

i'm not to thrilled about a culture of indifference, and then people wondering how their world got so screwed up its always picking on them, either.

i'm against this whole notion that without challange and difficulty there could only be stagnation.

nonsense. without gratuitously generated stressfulness we'd be, and maybe realize more that we'd be, more free to create and explore, which are what actually gratify (at least for more then five minuetes at a time)

so i'm certainly not for the lie that either hierarchy or symbolic value are any sort of default condition of the tangable physical universe.

i'm pretty much against perpetuating known deception on general principals.

and i'm certainly against putting arbitrary assumptions of any kind, ahead of real people, places and things.

the tyranny of the dominance of aggressiveness is the big one though, under any idiology, economic theory, system of belief, or any other excuse anyone insists on comming up with for it

Religion, patriotism, idealism, social and neo conservatism, unregulated capitalism, animal "rights", homophobia, racial supremacists, sexism, political correctness, fascism, nationalism

I'm against... religious favoritism (bible in public schools, that sort of thing), banning things that harm no one, tax cuts for the wealthy, environmental degradation, homophobia, sexism, racism and religious intolerance (being told that I'm going to hell does not improve my mood), people trying to convert me to any religion or even to atheism, hunting that doesn't result in the dead animal being dinner, hunting of endangered species, the NRA (I don't oppose gun ownership, but they've grown to be a group with an enormous number of tasteless assholes in it and leading it), people who accuse those who disagree with the government of being unpatriotic (I think it's highly patriotic to criticize the government if one thinks the government's policies are hurting the country and the world), the USC and Stanford football teams and marching bands, almost any football team in the SEC, the South in general, LA, the California Republican Party, San Francisco Supervisor Chris Daly, Wal-Mart, Target, Orchard Supply Hardware, oil companies, insurance companies, Fast Food Restaurant Chains (with the exception of In'n'Out and Carl's Junior), Hot Topic, most other chain stores, laws against public nudity, Ebay's user policy, the McCain campaign, PETA, illegal immigration, the Santa Cruz Party Ordinance, the Navy's refusal to clean up its toxic waste around the Bay Area, Harvard, Business School (enjoy your degree in bullshit), my old landlady who is trying to steal my deposit money, Tobacco Corporations, SUV's and emos.

That's most of it I think. Well, maybe. Actually, probably not. In fact that's likely barely scratching the surface of all the things I'm against.

Beets and lima beans. *shudder*

Why do you hate Beets? If by Beets do you mean Beetroot? Excuse my lack of Americanism.

I'm against whatever kind of conservative viewpoint conservapedia is.

Racism, mostly. That and libertarians/anarchists.

I'm against whatever kind of conservative viewpoint conservapedia is.

I think the technical term to describe the ideology of conservapedia is "conservatardism". There are people who do strong hallucinogenic drugs for a lifetime who have a better grasp of reality.

I am against naked women; but not as often as I'd like to be. :D

Hahahahahahah!

Umm yeah me too.

Ohh that and bigotry in any form, umm heh excepet for my bigoted hatred of bigots that is, I'm all for that.

Americans.

All odds.

Myself.

Life in general.

Clothing.

Fat-free milk.

I'm against cities designed for cars, not people.

I'm against refined sugar.

I'm against tripe soup.

Time to give a real answer. I am against:
-So called "states rights"
-Abrahamic religions
-Ignorance
-Anti-Intellectuals
-The American south
-Misogny
-Racism
-Sexism
-Nationalism
-Neo-Feminists who seem to be more interested in instituting a matriarchy than in creating equality
-Violations of the constitution
-People who think that the US is a Christian nation
-People think the constitution is always clear cut and that the founding fathers all agreed on everything in it
-The idea that the free market is perfect and will always work itself out
-Corperations
-People who always trust the government
-Sarah Palin

Less serious answer:
-Girls who dont give blowjobs
-Girls who are saving it for marriage
-People who dont bring liquor when they come over
-People who dont know when to shut the fuck up
-Bros

I am against Corporate tax Breaks. I am against Laissez Faire.

The establishment. Them bastards go around, with their ill-defined membership, conspiring about evil stuffs in secret, so we the people don't even know about it! The cheek of it! And don't even get me started on The Man. As soon as I find out who that guy is, he's in BIG trouble.

I am against:

War
Violence
Abortion
Consumerism/Capitalism
Tyranny
The US gov't
Imperialism
Cops
The Military as a whole (not individual soldiers)
The so called Jewish state of Israel
Liars
lazy people
WASPs
White society
Country music

and finally

Anal probing.

I am against:

War
Violence
Abortion
Consumerism/Capitalism
Tyranny
The US gov't
Imperialism
Cops
The Military as a whole (not individual soldiers)
The so called Jewish state of Israel
Liars
lazy people
WASPs
White society
Country music

and finally

Anal probing.
What if the people being probed are violent, lazy WASPS who listen to country music while playing Age of Imperialism?

What if the people being probed are violent, lazy WASPS who listen to country music while playing Age of Imperialism?

Oh! I like where your head is at. ;)

Numerous participants in this thread, who, in the interests of not getting a warning, will go unnamed.

Numerous participants in this thread, who, in the interests of not getting a warning, will go unnamed.

Oh oh!!! Is it me? Is it me? :)

Oh oh!!! Is it me? Is it me? :)

Yes. It is you. Just you. You figured me out.

Al Gore.

I am against transnational progressivism.

Yes. It is you. Just you. You figured me out.

:eek: I'm telling. You flamed me.

Kidding, of course. :wink:

I am against heartbreak.

I am against heartbreak.

Same. I am also against letting people suffer, and Killing.

Well, I am against the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, the notion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, Astroturf, the designated hitter, the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

OK, not really. But I am against Kevin Costner making another g-d baseball movie. Enough, already.

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.

Minitrue would like to remind you that crimethink does not result in death; crimethink is death

In no particular order:

-Dudes with ponytails
-White guys with dredlocks
-People who wear flip-flops when they're not at the beach
-Chicks that don't shave their legs or armpits
-Hip-Hop
-Peas
-Short people who ask me 'how's the weather up there?' or who call me 'Hightower.'
-People who talk during the movie
-16 year olds who try to lecture me about politics
-Vegans
-Pants with words written on the ass
-'Press 1 for English'
-the MN Vikings
-Non-sports on ESPN
-Dudes being naked on television shows

What is boulevard politics? I have an idea but would like to know what it is.
Politics that is about what appeals to popular opinion, rather than what is right. You know, about 99.99% of politics.

Actually this is another thing that has bugged me, I have forgotten a large amount of words of the German I learnt while travelling in the country (pronunciation I still remember but not words) and I left my German-English Dictionary at my parents house so do you mind translating "Aut Disce, Aut Discede" for me?
It's not German, it's Latin. It means "Either Learn, or Leave".

Minitrue would like to remind you that crimethink does not result in death; crimethink is death

I just want my black coveralls.

I'm against the man, man!

The wall. Because the revolution came.