NationStates Jolt Archive


"Huge" terrorism threat.

Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:32
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=10152241

Warning over 'huge' terror threat
Warning over 'huge' terror threat (© ITN 2008)

© ITN 2008

A counter-terrorism minister has warned al-Qaeda are planning "complex plots" against Britain.

Lord West, the former head of the Royal Navy, said there was a "huge" threat from extremists as the House of Lords continued debating the Counter Terrorism Bill.

Lord West said: "There is another great plot building up again and we are monitoring this.

He said: "Some of the measures that we have put into place in the past 15 months have made us safer, but that does not mean that we are safe. The threat is huge. It dipped slightly and is now rising again within the context of 'severe'.

"There are large complex plots. We unravelled one, which caused damage to al-Qaeda, and the plots faded slightly. However, another great plot is building up again, which we are monitoring.

"We have done a great deal to protect ourselves and to look after our water supplies, our resilience, underground trains, our preparedness and communications."

He added: "We have done all the things that we need to do, but the threat is building - the complex plots are building."

Shadow home secretary Dominic Grieve said that such comments could prove counter-productive in the fight against terrorism.

He said: "These comments are reckless in the extreme."

"We are told the police have to strike a balance between early arrest during a developing terrorist conspiracy in order to protect the public, and waiting long enough to ensure there is enough evidence to secure a conviction.

"The minister's comments give us the worst of all worlds - cutting across both objectives."

The Home Office would not confirm Lord West's statement.

A Home Office spokesman said: "We have always been clear - as has the director general of the Security Service (MI5) - that there are many plots, individuals and groups under investigation. We don't elaborate on specific plots or individuals."

Lord West's warning came after peers forced the Government to abandon plans to extend maximum pre-charge detention for terror suspects to 42 days.


Wait, so Al-Qaeda are targeting us even though they've never done so before and Bin Laden himself hasn't issued a Fatwa? If this "unravelled plot" is that airlines thing from Summer the year before last then he's lying because that wasn't Al-Qaeda. This also contradicts an MI5 report from June that said the IRA were more of a threat than Muslim terrorists. Anyway, what do you think?
Gauthier
15-10-2008, 18:34
Could be a combination of a cheap ploy to hype up The Muslim Threat to try and push for the 52 Days Act, rally support for the ruling party, and maybe just possibly Al Qaeda helping them along knowing the short-term investment will pay off in the long run aka 9-11 and Iraq.
Exilia and Colonies
15-10-2008, 18:35
See-through excuse to replace the data the Government lost with a new massive central database for more efficient losing of data
Yootopia
15-10-2008, 18:36
Bugger, if they were just making simple plots we'd be doing fine :(
Exilia and Colonies
15-10-2008, 18:37
Bugger, if they were just making simple plots we'd be doing fine :(

And here I was thinking they did quite well with blow up an important building.
Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:37
Could be a combination of a cheap ploy to hype up The Muslim Threat to try and push for the 42 Days Act, rally support for the ruling party, and maybe just possibly Al Qaeda helping them along knowing the short-term investment will pay off in the long run aka 9-11 and Iraq.

Fixed.

I don't understand this Al-Qaeda helping them thing, it doesn't make sense.
Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:38
And here I was thinking they did quite well with blow up an important building.

Read the article again, and it was 3 buildings if you're talking about 9/11.
Gauthier
15-10-2008, 18:40
Fixed.

I don't understand this Al-Qaeda helping them thing, it doesn't make sense.

Because as seen with 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq, Al Qaeda knows that putting a hawkish government in charge more likely to take direct action in the Middle East as well as squeeze the life out civil liberties in the name of national security will provide ripe propaganda fodder- especially if Arab Muslims were profiled more and more as a result of such measures.
Galloism
15-10-2008, 18:41
Why can't I ever find a picture of a really fat guy wearing a turban when I need one?
Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:42
Because as seen with 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq, Al Qaeda knows that putting a hawkish government in charge more likely to take direct action in the Middle East as well as squeeze the life out civil liberties in the name of national security will provide ripe propaganda fodder- especially if Arab Muslims were profiled more and more as a result of such measures.

So Al-Qaeda wants the British governemnt to take away civil liberties? :confused:
Yootopia
15-10-2008, 18:43
So Al-Qaeda wants the British governemnt to take away civil liberties? :confused:
Dunno, mate, ring them up.
Gauthier
15-10-2008, 18:44
So Al-Qaeda wants the British governemnt to take away civil liberties? :confused:

It worked for them in the United States. Why wouldn't they try in the UK? If more Muslim Brits are being singled out for suspicion, they can play the "Westerners Hate Islam And Want To Destroy It" card and try to round up sympathy or even recruits amongst the disaffected youth populace.
Yootopia
15-10-2008, 18:48
Why can't I ever find a picture of a really fat guy wearing a turban when I need one?
http://www.duesseldorf-blog.de/wp-content/uploads/hassan-nasrallah.jpg
Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:49
http://www.duesseldorf-blog.de/wp-content/uploads/hassan-nasrallah.jpg

He's only slightly overweight.
Galloism
15-10-2008, 18:49
He's only slightly overweight.

Yeah, I was looking for a morbidly obese guy in a turban.
Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:51
Yeah, I was looking for a morbidly obese guy in a turban.

I'll send you some pics of myself.
Yootopia
15-10-2008, 18:53
Yeah, I was looking for a morbidly obese guy in a turban.
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00023/alsadr_23533t.jpg
Adunabar
15-10-2008, 18:54
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00023/alsadr_23533t.jpg

Getting closer, but not quite there.
Frisbeeteria
15-10-2008, 19:48
Almost NSFW version that would do, but comes too close to actually post rather than link (http://www.strategic-air-command.com/gallery/enduring_freedom/images/osama-t.jpg).
Psychotic Mongooses
15-10-2008, 19:51
Eye bleach, oh dear god eye bleach.
Dragontide
15-10-2008, 20:13
When the US raised the color alert from yellow to orange or orange to red, there were attacks overseas. If the threat is now the UK, the US should prepare.
Ssek
15-10-2008, 20:40
It's always great when the government, any government talks about some mysterious 'plots' they are investigating, but refuses to give any details, but insists it's important and good for the nation and that we should all be frightened.

I mean isn't one of the goals of terrorism to cause terror? So what does all this "ZOMG HUGE TERRORISM CONSPIRACY! SOMEWHERE!" screaming really do for us? Seems like it plays right into their hands.

(And by "they" I mean both terrorists, and the government. Funny how it can work out like that when manipulating the emotional balance of the people becomes an important tactic.)
Kyronea
15-10-2008, 22:53
So Al-Qaeda wants the British governemnt to take away civil liberties? :confused:

Why not?

Anything authoritarian done in this nature plays right into Al-Queda's hand. Al-Queda's whole strategy is to get moderate Muslims to believe their extremism, and the more governments act like authoritarian bastards and such, the more evidence crops up.
Andaluciae
16-10-2008, 02:42
Wait, so Al-Qaeda are targeting us even though they've never done so before and Bin Laden himself hasn't issued a Fatwa? If this "unravelled plot" is that airlines thing from Summer the year before last then he's lying because that wasn't Al-Qaeda. This also contradicts an MI5 report from June that said the IRA were more of a threat than Muslim terrorists. Anyway, what do you think?

Not to nitpick, but what exactly is Al-Qaeda is a very nebulous concept. Since the 2002 operations in Afghanistan, it's become more diffuse and uncertain. Maybe all it is nowadays is nothing more than a psycho motivation network, complete with self-help books and tapes.