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What are the chances of Obama getting assassinated once he wins the election, and when do you think he'll get assassinated? Personally I say the chances of him getting assassinated is pretty damn high. Considering that some of the people who are voting for McCain are taking every false thing they've heard about Obama (He's an Arab, He hate whites, etc.) to heart. As to how soon, well to be honest, if he survives inaugural day, I'll be suprised.

I suspect that the Secret Service is pulling overtime to protect him, and will continue to do so as president.

If Bush survived with the sheer number of people who are angry at him, Obama will be fine.

I suspect that the Secret Service is pulling overtime to protect him, and will continue to do so as president.

If Bush survived with the sheer number of people who are angry at him, Obama will be fine.

Yea, but Bush is white and he's a "good ol' boy". Obama is a darkie and may have ties to terrorist. You'll be suprised by what idiots can accomplsih if they put their minds to it.

If I was Secret Service, not only would I put men in the immediate area around Obama, but I would also patrol the roof tops....once again, all you need is a high powered sniper rifle and a good clean shot.

Apparently every five elections there's an assassination/death (so I was told my some guy at school). If this is true, then if McCain wins, we get President Palin. If Obama wins, we get President Biden.

It's superstition though. I highly doubt either candidate is going to be assassinated.

Also, what Galloism said.

Apparently every five elections there's an assassination/death (so I was told my some guy at school). If this is true, then if McCain wins, we get President Palin. If Obama wins, we get President Biden.

It's superstition though. I highly doubt either candidate is going to be assassinated.

Also, what Galloism said.

Jesus of Nazareth was killed for his message
Mahatma Gandhi was killed for his message
MLK Jr. was killed for his message
Barack H. Obama....TBA.

Jesus of Nazareth was killed for his message
Mahatma Gandhi was killed for his message
MLK Jr. was killed for his message
Barack H. Obama....TBA.

Only one of these four has the protection of the Secret Service.

I suspect that the Secret Service is pulling overtime to protect him, and will continue to do so as president.

If Bush survived with the sheer number of people who are angry at him, Obama will be fine.

As I also believe.


The secret service can keep GW alive, they can keep Obama alive

They are pretty snazzy.

Only one of these four has the protection of the Secret Service.

I also forgot JFK.

While I'm concerned about the level of rhetoric in this fine country, much of it from proponents of the Second Amendment ... the ones that seem to be making the worst of the comments ("He's an Arab") don't strike me as the type who could hold a pistol steady enough to be a threat. Besides, I have a great deal of respect for the Secret Service.

I do think someone will take a bullet in the Obama administration. I don't think it'll be Barack. It'll be another Jim Brady.

If Bush survived with the sheer number of people who are angry at him, Obama will be fine.

though it should be noted that, in general, hatred of bush is inversely proportional to access to and knowledge of weapons. things are slightly different when it comes to those that have spent decades preparing for 'the coming race war'

Yeah I'm pretty sure the SS will protect whoever is in office from assassins. As best as humanly possible. But of course humans can make mistakes... and we're not even taking into account government conspiracies involving remote-controlled jetliner assassinations instigated by transdimensional reptilian shapeshifters.

While I'm concerned about the level of rhetoric in this fine country, much of it from proponents of the Second Amendment ... the ones that seem to be making the worst of the comments ("He's an Arab") don't strike me as the type who could hold a pistol steady enough to be a threat. Besides, I have a great deal of respect for the Secret Service.

I do think someone will take a bullet in the Obama administration. I don't think it'll be Barack. It'll be another Jim Brady.

What if the gun has one of those stands? How steady does your hand need to be then?

Also, are your familiar with the .50 Cal rifle?

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This is why I think SS needs to put men on roof tops, or at least have a helicopter following him around.

Yes, this is distasteful. Discussing worst case senarios is one thing. Asking us to basically name the time we think a guy will be killed is just wrong.

Yes, its a risk, and if it happens it will be a disaster. Obama is for many people their last hope, a reason to get involved in politics when they never did before, or after they had long given up. his death, perhaps even his loss after this ugly campaign, might cause a massive lost of faith in democracy, and would leave politics basically in the hands of the far right fanatics and/or the powerful special interest groups. Short term, their will also be race riots across America.

And I don't trust the Secret Service. Their was recently a CNN story about racist incidents in the Secret Service.

Apparently every five elections there's an assassination/death (so I was told my some guy at school). If this is true, then if McCain wins, we get President Palin. If Obama wins, we get President Biden.

It's superstition though. I highly doubt either candidate is going to be assassinated.

Also, what Galloism said.

That curse was broken when Reagan survived his assassination attempt.

The time came again for Bush to die in office but that never came about because Reagan manged to break the decades old curse.

IIRC A president was meant to die every twenty years. It was some curse placed on all future Presidents by an Indian after the US backed out of a treaty.

*snip*

Yes, this is in very bad taste.

And adding comments about exactly how one would kill a President isn't helpful.

Yes, this is in very bad taste.

Is it, really?

Isn't it a threat we should be taking seriously?

Yes, this is in very bad taste.

And adding comments about exactly how one would kill a President isn't helpful.

I have to agree with this post.

Everyone who thinks either candidate is going to be assassinated assumes that Obama will get killed simply because he's black/his dad was a Muslim.

Is it, really?

Isn't it a threat we should be taking seriously?

First, I wouldn't call this thread "taking the threat seriously."

Second, who is "we"? I think the Secret Service and others in appropriate positions are best equipped to take any threat seriously and can be counted on to do so. I don't think a discussion thread wagering on when Obama will be killed furthers any useful cause, but perhaps I'm just funny that way.

Yes, this is in very bad taste.

And adding comments about exactly how one would kill a President isn't helpful.

What is your problem with black people exactly?

Oh oh, I know the answer to this one, "I'm not racist, I have this many *holds up one hand* black friends"

Please, I wouldn't have made this thread if it wasn't some of the things I've heard from people.

Yea, but Bush is white and he's a "good ol' boy". Obama is a darkie and may have ties to terrorist. You'll be suprised by what idiots can accomplsih if they put their minds to it.Emphasis added. Idiots and mental effort tend not to mix.

It's like killing Bush--then you get Cheney.

Obama's greatest defense is the fact that Biden would be president if he died. And if you kill both of them, then you get...Pelosi...

What is your problem with black people exactly?

The problem isn't with black people, it's with white people. I can think of several former co-workers who wouldn't be averse to the idea if they had a reasonable chance of escape.

I'm in agreement with the OP that the chance of an assassination attempt goes up significantly this election, largely because of the McCain campaign tactics. It seems enough of a probability that a thread about it isn't necessarily out of line.

Everyone who thinks either candidate is going to be assassinated assumes that Obama will get killed simply because he's black/his dad was a Muslim.

Unfortunately, both of those are very real reasons that he might be killed.

What if the gun has one of those stands? How steady does your hand need to be then?

Also, are your familiar with the .50 Cal rifle?

This is why I think SS needs to put men on roof tops, or at least have a helicopter following him around.

I'm sure the Secret Service would benefit greatly from your insights on counter-sniper methodology. After all, any apt assassin would naturally tend towards roof tops and exposed positions clearly visible to aircraft, so they should naturally confine their counter measures to these threat vectors.

You should go to their website and apply for a job.

Apparently every five elections there's an assassination/death (so I was told my some guy at school). If this is true, then if McCain wins, we get President Palin. If Obama wins, we get President Biden.

It's superstition though. I highly doubt either candidate is going to be assassinated.

Also, what Galloism said.
I believe that there were similar rumors about George Bush, based on the year he was elected, and he wasn't killed. That often. And then the underground cloning vats managed to produce a duplicate in time to prevent the world noticing. That much.

I think the Secret Service and others in appropriate positions are best equipped to take any threat seriously and can be counted on to do so.

If that's your reasoning, we can shut down a lot of threads on NSG right now--most of those on the financial crisis, for instance, or on court cases for that matter.

A broad social awareness is useful to people (and a worthy end in itself) even if they are not directly in a position to act.

The problem isn't with black people, it's with white people. I can think of several former co-workers who wouldn't be averse to the idea if they had a reasonable chance of escape.

I'm in agreement with the OP that the chance of an assassination attempt goes up significantly this election, largely because of the McCain campaign tactics. It seems enough of a probability that a thread about it isn't necessarily out of line.

Agreed. My comment was more of a personal comment based on a number of threads by Wilgrove and was inappropriate. Wilgrove, I apologize.

I agree with Rep. John Lewis that McCain/Palin are "sowing the seeds of hatred and division" in the same vein as George Wallace and should be held responsible for any violence that results.

Yes, this is in very bad taste.

And adding comments about exactly how one would kill a President isn't helpful.

What is your problem with black people exactly?

Now it is distasteful, but that is an unwarranted playing of the race card, going into strawman territory.

It's like killing Bush--then you get Cheney.

Obama's greatest defense is the fact that Biden would be president if he died. And if you kill both of them, then you get...Pelosi...

Pelosi

Well a few Hillary supporters might get that since they wanted a women in charge.

First, I wouldn't call this thread "taking the threat seriously."

Second, who is "we"? I think the Secret Service and others in appropriate positions are best equipped to take any threat seriously and can be counted on to do so. I don't think a discussion thread wagering on when Obama will be killed furthers any useful cause, but perhaps I'm just funny that way.

Don't you know the CIA and secret service monitor this thread.

Pelosi

Well a few Hillary supporters might get that since they wanted a women in charge.

Then why were they Hillary supporters?

No I don't think this thread is in bad taste. It would be stupid to not concider what the backup plan is. (which is why Sara Palin scares me)

I think there will be attempts but the boys wearing the sunglasses are pretty clever.

I agree with Rep. John Lewis that McCain/Palin are "sowing the seeds of hatred and division" in the same vein as George Wallace and should be held responsible for any violence that results.

This, I agree with.

The campaign against Obama has been almost entirely non-substantive--attaching him to black radicalism through Jeremiah Wright, to "treason" through Bill Ayers, to Muslim terrorism through his name, his family, and various conspiracy theories--and the behavior of the crowds at McCain rallies are the natural consequence.

The fact that the Republican coalition depends on appearing to racist and hypernationalist sentiment doesn't help much.

Don't you know the CIA and secret service monitor this thread.

I didn't mean "take seriously" as in "find a way to protect Obama from assassinations", I meant "take seriously" as in "recognize the reality of the threat of extremist racist violence."

Then why were they Hillary supporters?

:rolleyes:

What if the gun has one of those stands? How steady does your hand need to be then?
Also, are your familiar with the .50 Cal rifle?



I agree with Rep. John Lewis that McCain/Palin are "sowing the seeds of hatred and division" in the same vein as George Wallace and should be held responsible for any violence that results.

Pelosi

Well a few Hillary supporters might get that since they wanted a women in charge.

So now we can be reasonably sure that it will be a white female who voted for Clinton in the primary and wants a woman in office regardless of the cost and that both the President and Veep will be in danger.

All we have to do is look for white female women who voted for Clinton and will vote for McCain simply because he has a female running mate that owns a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

Then why were they Hillary supporters?

:tongue: Touche

I didn't mean "take seriously" as in "find a way to protect Obama from assassinations", I meant "take seriously" as in "recognize the reality of the threat of extremist racist violence."

And you shouldn't take all my posts serisouly.

So now we can be reasonably sure that it will be a white female who voted for Clinton in the primary and wants a woman in office regardless of the cost and that both the President and Veep will be in danger.

All we have to do is look for white female women who voted for Clinton and will vote for McCain simply because he has a female running mate that owns a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

That's exactly right, quick get put them all on the potential terrorist list and tap their phones.

If a pretzel can make it through the Secret Services tight security net, a bullet or bomb may have an opportunity as well. Of course if the assassinations and attempts of previous presidents and leaders (Charles de Gaulle had 31 documented attempts I believe) shows anything, it takes either pure luck, or an immense amount of skill followed by pure luck.

I'm pretty sure that Obama will go down in history as the best protected president in the history of the United States. Assuming that he wins, that is.

So now we can be reasonably sure that it will be a white female who voted for Clinton in the primary and wants a woman in office regardless of the cost and that both the President and Veep will be in danger.

All we have to do is look for white female women who voted for Clinton and will vote for McCain simply because he has a female running mate that owns a .50 caliber sniper rifle.

Don't look to hard, she's right here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxECcTjCuw).

That curse was broken when Reagan survived his assassination attempt.

The time came again for Bush to die in office but that never came about because Reagan manged to break the decades old curse.

IIRC A president was meant to die every twenty years. It was some curse placed on all future Presidents by an Indian after the US backed out of a treaty.

The Tippycanoe curse explained:


Those who look to make sense of eerie coincidences have come up with an explanation to account for this string of deaths: an ancient Indian curse, supposedly administered by Tecumseh himself after suffering defeat at the hands in William Henry Harrison at the Battle of Tippecanoe
in 1811. (Tecumseh died in the 1813 Battle of the Thames, again fighting troops led by Harrison.) According to lore, the famed Indian chief cursed the Great White Fathers. No explanation is given for why the chief's curse would only affect one presidency in five, but one cannot, after all, expect the fanciful to cover everything.

Another version attributes the curse to Tenskwatawa (also known as "The Prophet"), a Shawnee medicine man who was half-brother to Tecumseh. The hex was supposedly his revenge for the death of his half-sibling.

"Harrison will die I tell you," the Prophet reportedly said. "And after him, every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of my people."

Stirring words indeed, but there's no reason to suppose they were actually uttered. No record of either Tecumseh or Tenskwatawa laying a whammy on American presidents has yet surfaced — it's all undocumented folktale at this point and is as likely just someone's imaginative backstory to the inexplicable as it is anything else.

Folks have been taking note of this string of presidential deaths for quite some time — it's not a new snippet of spooky information recently dropped into the lap of the American people. A Ripley's Believe It or Not book published in 1934 noted the coincidental twenty-year pattern of presidential deaths between 1840 and 1920, with question marks in place of a name for the upcoming 1940 entry indicating the presumption of a continuing pattern. The pattern did, of course, hold true again when Franklin Roosevelt, who had been re-elected in 1940, filled in that blank by dying in office in 1945.

As to what to make of the "curse," it's interesting to note that since 1840, only one President other than those supposedly felled by this ill-wishing has died in office: Zachary Taylor, who was elected in 1848 and died in 1850 of a stomach ailment. (Taylor's body was exhumed in 1991 to investigate a theory that he had been poisoned with arsenic, but the results were negative). Also interesting is the notion that the curse is a
prescient one, as two presidents who won elections in years ending in '0' — Lincoln and Roosevelt — did not die until after beginning subsequent terms in office. Apparently the curse foresaw re-election for both of them.

The key to all this presidential demising possibly lies more within the realm of the stars than the rumored words of a dead Indian chief. Or at least so the astrologers would have us believe. According to Mark Dodich, an astrologer who has attempted to analyze the Curse of Tecumseh, the reason behind this force is one of "cosmic coincidence," not Native American hexing. Dodich claims the curse's effects overlap with the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn, whose orbits have lined up every twenty years.

The 20-year pattern's one failure — President Ronald Reagan — is explained by the sign the alignment of these two planets occurred under. Alignments under the earth signs (Taurus, Capricorn, and Virgo) have led to dead presidents, but Reagan's term occurred under an air sign, accounting for his survival.

According to Dodich, year 2000's Jupiter-Saturn twinning once again occurs under the earth sign of Taurus, a phenomenon he says won't happen again for another 600 years. It thus marks the end of a deadly cycle, but if Dodich is right about this curse thing, it will sound the death knell for another president first. So far, however, the president elected in the supposed "curse" year of 2000, George W. Bush, remains in good health as he embarks upon his second term in office.
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/curse.asp

If no one tried very hard to off Bush, then no one will seriously try it on Obama.

Jesus of Nazareth was killed for his message
Mahatma Gandhi was killed for his message
MLK Jr. was killed for his message
Barack H. Obama....TBA.

That must be why Ronald Reagan was only wounded. ;)

I'm pretty sure that Obama will go down in history as the best protected president in the history of the United States. Assuming that he wins, that is.

All I know is that if and when Obama wins, he'll definitely be surrounded by more agents than Keanu Reeves.

That must be why Ronald Reagan was only wounded. ;)

Bill Hicks was a very wise man.

Bill Hicks was a very wise man.

Sam Kinison too.

Let's see here...

Obama is a man with a dark skin tone running for a position traditionally filled by white males and which has had all previous attempts by those who weren't white males fail, has a name that sounds Muslim, has a last name that is one letter off from Bin Laden's first name, has actual Muslims in his family, has a connection to a terrorist that doesn't make him guilty of supporting terrorism but is easily exploited by idiots, wants to talk to people who are traditionally on the U.S. hate list, is protected by an organization recently noted by media for racist tendencies, and has white Christian opponents who are outright praying for his failure and using the "Christianity vs. the world" argument to try to stir up opposition against him.

Yeah, Obama's days are probably numbered at this point. Being realistic, I don't give him ten days in office before someone tries to kill him. Being even more realistic, I don't think he'll live more than a year. He'll also be one of the greatest martyrs in U.S. history.

So, either way, it's win-win for Obama.

Don't look to hard, she's right here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaxECcTjCuw).

"When you go o'er thar to dem Irab countriesh theer cuttin' off da heads of are Americun sholdiers."

And many more little gems of wisdom...


I lol'd.

Yea, but Bush is white and he's a "good ol' boy". Obama is a darkie and may have ties to terrorist. You'll be suprised by what idiots can accomplsih if they put their minds to it.

If I was Secret Service, not only would I put men in the immediate area around Obama, but I would also patrol the roof tops....once again, all you need is a high powered sniper rifle and a good clean shot.

I believe that since we're talking about an organization that has made safety of public officials its business since 1865, they probably know a lot more about security than you do, and therefore do not need your assistence.

I'm personally not going to worry about it. If it happens, it happens, and there's nothing I can do about either way, unless I magically happen to be present at the event where it occurs and I see the assassin before they assassinate him.

I believe that since we're talking about an organization that has made safety of public officials its business since 1865, they probably know a lot more about security than you do, and therefore do not need your assistence.

I'm personally not going to worry about it. If it happens, it happens, and there's nothing I can do about either way, unless I magically happen to be present at the event where it occurs and I see the assassin before they assassinate him.

Would you get something for that? Being in the USN surely you would be in line for some medal.

I believe that since we're talking about an organization that has made safety of public officials its business since 1865, they probably know a lot more about security than you do, and therefore do not need your assistence.

I'm personally not going to worry about it. If it happens, it happens, and there's nothing I can do about either way, unless I magically happen to be present at the event where it occurs and I see the assassin before they assassinate him.

Of course the fact that historical Presential assassinations happened at all does point out it's not always a complete success.

All I know is that if and when Obama wins, he'll definitely be surrounded by more agents than Keanu Reeves.

Yes Obama will win....until a mysterious batch of absentee ballots are discovered. :mad:

Yes Obama will win....until a mysterious batch of absentee ballots are discovered. :mad:

Oh, hush. I only had that arrange... er, I mean that only happened with one person. Yeah. Definitely won't happen again.

Seriously, McCain, stop making anonymous donations to my bank account. I won't do it.

Only one of these four has the protection of the Secret Service.

Jesus had Secret Service protection? o_O

Jesus had Secret Service protection? o_O

Yes. However, his guards were busy visiting some of the "adult entertainment" houses while he was being arrested.

Yes. However, his guards were busy visiting some of the "adult entertainment" houses while he was being arrested.

I heard their boss washed his hands off of it.

though it should be noted that, in general, hatred of bush is inversely proportional to access to and knowledge of weapons. things are slightly different when it comes to those that have spent decades preparing for 'the coming race war'

'Coming race war?'

:confused:

Wrong person H2, the boss denied that he was three times before the cock crowed.

Wrong person H2, the boss denied that he was three times before the cock crowed.

It's 3 AM here. I don't have to make any more sense than a potato salad's deodorant being spoken to by Tinkerbelle's beard.

It's 3 AM here. I don't have to make any more sense than a potato salad's deodorant being spoken to by Tinkerbelle's beard.

Whatever you're on, I want some of it.

Whatever you're on, I want some of it.

Me too. Send it over H2

i say about 5% chance (which is damn high) of him being assassinated or injured his first year in office. and there will be numerous other grabs.

What are the chances of Obama getting assassinated once he wins the election, and when do you think he'll get assassinated? Personally I say the chances of him getting assassinated is pretty damn high. Considering that some of the people who are voting for McCain are taking every false thing they've heard about Obama (He's an Arab, He hate whites, etc.) to heart. As to how soon, well to be honest, if he survives inaugural day, I'll be suprised.
You really are terrified of black people, aren't you?

You really are terrified of black people, aren't you?

Yes. He's so terrified of Obama that he worries the man may die and brings it up out of concern, as well as discussing with others whether or not the possibility of Obama being assassinated exists and what can be done to prevent it.

Oh, look at how Wilgrove shakes in terror.

What are the chances of Obama getting assassinated once he wins the election, and when do you think he'll get assassinated? Personally I say the chances of him getting assassinated is pretty damn high. Considering that some of the people who are voting for McCain are taking every false thing they've heard about Obama (He's an Arab, He hate whites, etc.) to heart. As to how soon, well to be honest, if he survives inaugural day, I'll be suprised.

Fairly high, I'd say.
It's funny you should bring this up, cause the other day when we were watchign the news, my BF turned round to me and said "You know what? If Obama gets elected, I wouldn't be taking any bets on him living to see his second term..."

If Obama even gets close to getting elected he'll have Secret Service agents all over him 24/7. It'll either take a very lucky or very skilled assassin to get by all that protection.

If Obama even gets close to getting elected he'll have Secret Service agents all over him 24/7. It'll either take a very lucky or very skilled assassin to get by all that protection.

Ever heard the phrase "dumb luck"?
I don't expect whoever might go and try it to be a member of Mensa, exactly. ;)

If Obama even gets close to getting elected he'll have Secret Service agents all over him 24/7. It'll either take a very lucky or very skilled assassin to get by all that protection.

Nah. Small-yield tactical nuke would do the same job. If you steal it from Russia (or buy one of the ones on the black market) and leave behind signs it was Christians who did it, everyone will be so confused that you could get away with it.

Ever heard the phrase "dumb luck"?
I don't expect whoever might go and try it to be a member of Mensa, exactly. ;)

If he does get killed, I figure it will be dumb luck more than anything. Some nutcase sprays at Obama and the crowd with some big ass machine gun and happens to hit him before he gets shot to fuck.

i say about 5% chance (which is damn high) of him being assassinated or injured his first year in office. and there will be numerous other grabs.

Statistically Obama will have a 1 in 7 chance of dying in office for any reason if you do the math based on deaths in office. So its closer to 14%.

Still, his chances of dying while in office are probably still lower than McCain.

What are the chances of Obama getting assassinated once he wins the election, and when do you think he'll get assassinated? Personally I say the chances of him getting assassinated is pretty damn high. Considering that some of the people who are voting for McCain are taking every false thing they've heard about Obama (He's an Arab, He hate whites, etc.) to heart. As to how soon, well to be honest, if he survives inaugural day, I'll be suprised.
He's a White Sox fan - pissed off Cubbie may do it

Nah. Small-yield tactical nuke would do the same job. If you steal it from Russia (or buy one of the ones on the black market) and leave behind signs it was Christians who did it, everyone will be so confused that you could get away with it.
With that kind of resources you can probably just bribe him out of office.
Statistically Obama will have a 1 in 7 chance of dying in office for any reason if you do the math based on deaths in office. So its closer to 14%.
How many presidents were assassinated previously doesn't really have any bearing on how likely Obama is to be assassinated. Sounds a bit like the gambler's fallacy.

With that kind of resources you can probably just bribe him out of office.

With those kinds of resources, what makes you think he'd live long enough to ever take office?

Would you get something for that? Being in the USN surely you would be in line for some medal.
Anyone would be in line for some sort of medal if they stopped such an assassin.

Of course the fact that historical Presential assassinations happened at all does point out it's not always a complete success.
Well, yeah, but that wasn't the point. The point was that Wilgrove seems to think he has valuable insight, when in fact his insight isn't worth much to an organization that probably knows better how to assassinate him than he would know how to prevent it.

How many presidents were assassinated previously doesn't really have any bearing on how likely Obama is to be assassinated. Sounds a bit like the gambler's fallacy.

I will have you know the law of averages always comes true.

It's not like the world is going to end if Obama gets assassinated.
...Is it? :eek:

How many presidents were assassinated previously doesn't really have any bearing on how likely Obama is to be assassinated. Sounds a bit like the gambler's fallacy.

I was just speaking statistically, so that some kind of comparison could be made.

I'm convinced some nutjob will take a shot at him. Particularly after McCain/Palin riling them up.

I'm convinced some nutjob will take a shot at him. Particularly after McCain/Palin riling them up.

Maybe thats the idea.. they realized they are too stupid to win... but not too nice to try and get the guy killed.

I'm convinced some nutjob will take a shot at him. Particularly after McCain/Palin riling them up.
yeah but so is the secret service (convinced i mean)

those guys are pretty good at their jobs.

yeah but so is the secret service (convinced i mean)

those guys are pretty good at their jobs.

All it takes to kill a president is a willingness on the part of one nutter to die.

With those kinds of resources, what makes you think he'd live long enough to ever take office?
True.
Anyone would be in line for some sort of medal if they stopped such an assassin.
Probably a different medal for a civilian as opposed to someone in the military. Maybe even different between different branches of the military.


Well, yeah, but that wasn't the point. The point was that Wilgrove seems to think he has valuable insight, when in fact his insight isn't worth much to an organization that probably knows better how to assassinate him than he would know how to prevent it.
Quite. The secret service has teams of thousands and a budget of millions. Chances are if we can think of how to prevent something, it's already standard policy for them.
I will have you know the law of averages always comes true.
On average :tongue:
I was just speaking statistically, so that some kind of comparison could be made.
K. :fluffle:
All it takes to kill a president is a willingness on the part of one nutter to die.
Suicide bomber kills evil muslim baby killing Obama. Ironic?

Suicide bomber kills evil muslim baby killing Obama. Ironic?



The right will declare it karmic, or divine justice.

Suicide bomber kills evil muslim baby killing Obama. Ironic?

Well they do consider him an apostate

What are the chances of Obama getting assassinated once he wins the election, and when do you think he'll get assassinated? Personally I say the chances of him getting assassinated is pretty damn high. Considering that some of the people who are voting for McCain are taking every false thing they've heard about Obama (He's an Arab, He hate whites, etc.) to heart. As to how soon, well to be honest, if he survives inaugural day, I'll be suprised.

seriously? I don't expect him to be assassinated.

why? Pres Regan broke the curse.

It's not like the world is going to end if Obama gets assassinated.
...Is it? :eek:

He'd resurrect three days later, don't worry.

The right will declare it karmic, or divine justice.

No doubt. Serious money for the spin doctors.

No doubt. Serious money for the spin doctors.

well Islam considers him an apostate. and the incident could drive african voters back to the republican party. hmm i wonder if they are setting anything up.
though on the other side if a Fatwa could be issued agaist him it would end the OMG obama is a ebil Muslim argument.

That curse was broken when Reagan survived his assassination attempt.
Reagan-era joke:

[Conspiracy theorist] "You know, Hinckley really did manage to kill Reagan, but they've been covering it up, using a body double..."

[Straight-guy] *shudders* "You mean, all this time we've had some actor just pretending to be the President???"

Keep in mind that Dubya -- who lacks even basic skills (such as the ability to eat pretzels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush_pretzel_incident) and open doors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXmOJRiPdUs)) spent eight years in the white house and SURVIVED.

With that in mind, yes, there'll probably be an attempt on Obama's life (just as there have been unsuccessful attempts on every president since Nixon), but it won't go through.

Aren't Born Again Christians and the like convinced that he is the anti-christ because he is a well spoken man in his 40's and of musalami(sic) descent?

Aren't Born Again Christians and the like convinced that he is the anti-christ because he is a well spoken man in his 40's and of musalami(sic) descent?

They are, and whats most amussing about this is they dont seem to have a very good grasp of their own holy book (go figure).


Because Christians are supposed to be decieved by and like the anti-Christ. So because they think he is the anti-Christ and hate him, he cant be according to their own book.


The anti-Christ is supposed to be someone they all like. So its probably Reagen.

No, they're convinced he's not the antichrist because he's african (kenyan, to be exact) and christian (whereas tyhe antichrist would deny jehovah and jesus). Frankly, it's more likely that I'm the antichrist, and you know that I'm not evil.

No, they're convinced he's not the antichrist because he's african (kenyan, to be exact) and christian (whereas tyhe antichrist would deny jehovah and jesus). Frankly, it's more likely that I'm the antichrist, and you know that I'm not evil.

Kenyan spelled backwards is Satan. Don't bother researching it.

At exactly 3:25 PM In the study with a candle stick.
However He isn't elected and he survived any way.
I will withhold knowledge of the day of this incedent. HA HA HA

In the study with a candle stick.

Colonel Mustard, is that you?

You really are terrified of black people, aren't you?

Kindly back that up?

Yes, the OP is distastful. But I don't think its at all clear that their is any racist intent behind it. You are the second person in this thread to use that kind of strawman, and its getting rather tiresome.

Incidentally, this kind of knee-jerk playing the race card is the kind of thing that would hurt the Obama campaign. It would go against his message, I think, to have the debate focus around his race, as well as lessen his chances of victory.

Kindly back that up?

Yes, the OP is distastful. But I don't think its at all clear that their is any racist intent behind it. You are the second person in this thread to use that kind of strawman, and its getting rather tiresome.

Incidentally, this kind of knee-jerk playing the race card is the kind of thing that would hurt the Obama campaign. It would go against his message, I think, to have the debate focus around his race, as well as lessen his chances of victory.

I already admitted and apologized for my mistake, and I don't want to kindle the argument by defending myself. Nonetheless, speaking only for myself, my objections was NOT "knee-jerk playing the race card" based only on the OP but rather on a pattern of threads by the OP poster that suggests he does have a problem with black people. In part because it was based on other threads, it wasn't really appropriate to this thread and I retracted it.

It's like killing Bush--then you get Cheney.

Obama's greatest defense is the fact that Biden would be president if he died. And if you kill both of them, then you get...Pelosi...

This. Bush is stupid and bad, but Cheney is cunning and evil. Obama is crazy, but Biden is absolutely insane and Pelosi is unthinkable for president. McCain is an old warmonger, Palin is a corrupt warmonger. There isn't enough ammo to solve this problem with a lone gunman scenario even if that were an acceptable solution. For the record, assassination is unacceptable. Impeachment and trial ought to be the metod. [texan talk]Too bad that ain't a-gonna happen.[/texan talk]

I don't believe that Obama would be assassinated. He would probably be a wonderful, "do nothing" president, which is the best kind!

Now McCain, on the other hand ... Well, he's virtually guaranteed the presidency merely because I don't want him in!

I don't believe that Obama would be assassinated. He would probably be a wonderful, "do nothing" president, which is the best kind! with all his push for 'change'... if Obama better not end up being a Do Nothing President!

Now McCain, on the other hand ... Well, he's virtually guaranteed the presidency merely because I don't want him in!
glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

This. Bush is stupid and bad, but Cheney is cunning and evil. Obama is crazy, but Biden is absolutely insane and Pelosi is unthinkable for president. McCain is an old warmonger, Palin is a corrupt warmonger. There isn't enough ammo to solve this problem with a lone gunman scenario even if that were an acceptable solution. For the record, assassination is unacceptable. Impeachment and trial ought to be the metod. [texan talk]Too bad that ain't a-gonna happen.[/texan talk]

All you need is one nuke and all five of them in the same place. One boom later and the next presidency will be a truly open election for once.

I already admitted and apologized for my mistake, and I don't want to kindle the argument by defending myself. Nonetheless, speaking only for myself, my objections was NOT "knee-jerk playing the race card" based only on the OP but rather on a pattern of threads by the OP poster that suggests he does have a problem with black people. In part because it was based on other threads, it wasn't really appropriate to this thread and I retracted it.

Well I don't know about the poster's views on race, but if he is posting this thread out of some race based desire to see Obama shot, then he's scum.

However, I see no need to draw that conclusion based on this thread. And I know you retracted it. I was adressing someone who aparently missed that entire conversation.

I suspect that the Secret Service is pulling overtime to protect him, and will continue to do so as president.

If Bush survived with the sheer number of people who are angry at him, Obama will be fine.

Unless the Secret Service is in on the conspiracy! DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!

Unless the Secret Service is in on the conspiracy! DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!

In on it? They're leading it.

In on it? They're leading it.

Of course! How could I be so blind?! You and I are starting a website, it's offical!

I had this thought too, and it really makes my blood run cold: We finally get a cool, expressive, intelligent president, and then he's shot a month later.

I would think that the likelihood of an assassination attempt on Obama is way above average. There are many people pretty riled up about his so-called terrorist and Muslim connections, and might think they are doing their patriotic duty. It's not so far-fetched. Plus, there's always the threat of a radical white supremacist who couldn't bear seeing a black man president.

Personally, I think the former reason more likely. I feel that an assassination attempt is practically unavoidable, but that it would likely fail due to heightened security and the excellence of the Secret Service.

I had this thought too, and it really makes my blood run cold: We finally get a cool, expressive, intelligent president, and then he's shot a month later.

I would think that the likelihood of an assassination attempt on Obama is way above average. There are many people pretty riled up about his so-called terrorist and Muslim connections, and might think they are doing their patriotic duty. It's not so far-fetched. Plus, there's always the threat of a radical white supremacist who couldn't bear seeing a black man president.

Personally, I think the former reason more likely. I feel that an assassination attempt is practically unavoidable, but that it would likely fail due to heightened security and the excellence of the Secret Service.

You know, for every 1000 Secret Service agent who believes its his patriotic duty to take a bullet for the President, their's going to be at least one who believes its his patriotic duty to take a bullet for the President, so long as he's White.

They just better screen his security real carefully.

You know, for every 1000 Secret Service agent who believes its his patriotic duty to take a bullet for the President, their's going to be at least one who believes its his patriotic duty to take a bullet for the President, so long as he's White.

They just better screen his security real carefully.

and i am sure an equal number who believes its his duty as long as the president is black. after all the secret service is an equal opportunity employer.

and i am sure an equal number who believes its his duty as long as the president is black. after all the secret service is an equal opportunity employer.

What is with conservatives all of a sudden trying to pretend that lethal, disgusting, dehumanizing racism cuts both ways equally?

God damn. There is no black KKK.

As an aside, if hes assassinated, there will be riots. And I will be a part of them.

What is with conservatives all of a sudden trying to pretend that lethal, disgusting, dehumanizing racism cuts both ways equally?

God damn. There is no black KKK.

As an aside, if hes assassinated, there will be riots. And I will be a part of them.

The nation of Yahweh ? ( more extreme then any post 1970 kkk groups. )
Nation of Islam ? (and before you say no way read, Tsoukalas, Steven (2001). The Nation of Islam - Understanding the "Black Muslims". P&R Publishing, 23-24. original nation of Islam doctrine called on all black man to sacrifice four whites).
United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors?
The Nation of Gods and Earths?


there are plenty of groups equal to in violence the KKK or neo nazis among the Black Supremacist. The difference is simply there are 5 times as many whites as blacks so the corresponding white groups can be five times as large.

if bush survived with the sheer number of people who are angry at him, obama will be fine.
wtf?
Hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is with conservatives all of a sudden trying to pretend that lethal, disgusting, dehumanizing racism cuts both ways equally?

God damn. There is no black KKK.

As an aside, if hes assassinated, there will be riots. And I will be a part of them.

If you were to join such riots, you would be betraying Obama's message in order to hurt random people to vent your anger.

I understand that people would want vengance if such a disaster were to befall America. But nothing will be achieved by thinking with our balls.

nothing will be achieved by thinking with our balls.WTF?
http://gallery.nofactzone.net/albums/userpics/normal_Balls.jpg
Not just now, but the future!
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/wikiality/images/thumb/0/00/SCB4K.jpg/300px-SCB4K.jpg

I had this thought too, and it really makes my blood run cold: We finally get a cool, expressive, intelligent president, and then he's shot a month later.
Don't worry. Last time we got one, it took almost three years for a crazy to shoot him.