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Wow, am I the only one who never seen a National election this heated? First Palin gets protected against Witchcraft, and now they're praying for Obama defeat.

I may not agree with Obama policies, and I'm still questioning how he plans to bring change and hope to this country. Because remember, while it's nice to have pie in the sky dreams, you need an actual plan to reach those pies. I don't agree with people using the power of prayer to ask for him to be defeated. That's just bad Karma there.

Speaker at McCain rally says non-Christians want an Obama win
Posted: 09:30 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Tasha Diakides

DAVENPORT, Iowa (CNN) – A minister delivering the invocation at John McCain’s rally in Davenport, Iowa Saturday told the crowd non-Christian religions around the world were praying for Barack Obama to win the U.S. presidential election.

“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.

The remark was made before McCain arrived at the rally but the Republican nominee's campaign quickly put out a statement distancing itself from the remarks.

“While we understand the important role that faith plays in informing the votes of Iowans, questions about the religious background of the candidates only serve to distract from the real questions in this race about Barack Obama's judgment, policies and readiness to lead as commander in chief,” said McCain campaign spokesperson Wendy Riemann.

This incident comes a day after a Minnesota voter asked Senator McCain if Barack Obama was an Arab at a town hall in Lakeville, Minnesota and just three days after Lehigh GOP County Chairman Bill Platt made a speech at a McCain rally in Pennsylvania where he refered to the Democrat nominee for president as Barack Hussein Obama.

Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

Also, don't they realize that even "Non-Christians" can be Republican or Libertarians? They don't have to exactly be Liberal or Democrats.

I can't help but wonder if certain people are taking it upon themselves to infiltrate pro-McCain crowds and troll the fuck out of his rallies.

I can't help but wonder if certain people are taking it upon themselves to infiltrate pro-McCain crowds and troll the fuck out of his rallies.

Could it be the work of Anon?

Does the preacher realise that Hindu isn't the name of a god?

John Lewis is right:

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Democratic lawmaker John Lewis on Saturday said Republican White House contender John McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin were "sowing the seeds of hatred and division" with incendiary rhetoric against rival Barack Obama.

"As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Senator McCain and (Alaska) Governor Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all," Lewis said in a statement on Politico.com a day after McCain tried to tone down his campaign's attacks against his rival.

Lewis, a US civil rights icon, said the Republicans "are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse."

He suggested the attacks on Obama were reminiscent of the late segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate George Wallace, whose fiery rhetoric in 1963 was blamed for a church bombing in Birmingham, Alabama, that killed four little girls.

"What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history," Lewis said.

"George Wallace never threw a bomb, he never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights.

"Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama."

McCain on Friday called on his backers to tone it down, after crowds at his rallies have become increasing inflammatory, shouting out "terrorist" and "liar" when Obama is mentioned. At one Florida rally, someone even shouted "kill him."

The Arizona senator said Lewis statement "represent a character attack against Governor Sarah Palin and me that is shocking and beyond the pale."

He said Lewis' comparison between criticism of Obama's record and Wallace's segregationist policies "unacceptable and has no place in this campaign."

McCain called on Obama "to immediately and personally repudiate these outrageous and divisive comments that are so clearly designed to shut down debate 24 days before the election."

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said, in turn, that while the Illinois senator "does not believe" in the comparison, "Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked."

Burton also called Palin's recent derisive comment -- "palling around with terrorists" -- about Obama's relation with 1960s radical Bill Ayers "baseless and profoundly irresponsible."

link (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8CWCJr2jKpJyJtX9t_Al8fnDJ7A)

I can't help but wonder if certain people are taking it upon themselves to infiltrate pro-McCain crowds and troll the fuck out of his rallies.
I figure that's gotta be what Sarah Palin is.

Does the preacher realise that Hindu isn't the name of a god?

Even if he did, he probably doesn't care.

Most Real Americans™ can't tell the difference between Arab Muslims and Hindu Indians, and this is just the more harmless example of this strain of the They All Look Alike Disease.

Does the preacher realise that Hindu isn't the name of a god?

Nor is Buddha

-snip-

I wrote an article awhile back on the Muhammed Cartoon deal that was happening I think in Denmark. (Hey it's 1:33 AM here, cut me some slack)

In the article I wrote about how the more freedom we have, the greater responsibility we have. We have freedom of Speech yes, but we must use it with care. Because, you never know what kind of idiots will take what you say, read wwaaayyyy too much into it, and the next thing you know, the same idiot just killed Barack Obama and he's citing you as the reason for him doing it.

I wrote an article awhile back on the Muhammed Cartoon deal that was happening I think in Denmark. (Hey it's 1:33 AM here, cut me some slack)

In the article I wrote about how the more freedom we have, the greater responsibility we have. We have freedom of Speech yes, but we must use it with care. Because, you never know what kind of idiots will take what you say, read wwaaayyyy too much into it, and the next thing you know, the same idiot just killed Barack Obama and he's citing you as the reason for him doing it.

"With great power comes great responsibility."

damn, that villians thread has made me think of comic books...

"With great power comes great responsibility."

damn, that villians thread has made me think of comic books...

beat me to it :p

I wrote an article awhile back on the Muhammed Cartoon deal that was happening I think in Denmark. (Hey it's 1:33 AM here, cut me some slack)

In the article I wrote about how the more freedom we have, the greater responsibility we have. We have freedom of Speech yes, but we must use it with care. Because, you never know what kind of idiots will take what you say, read wwaaayyyy too much into it, and the next thing you know, the same idiot just killed Barack Obama and he's citing you as the reason for him doing it.

You are correct that freedom of speech not only doesn't absolve one of moral consequences of what one says, but carries with it a moral responsibility.

Additionally, some speech is not only morally liable, but legally so:

[I]t is well understood that the right of free speech is not absolute at all times and under all circumstances. There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or 'fighting' words--those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.

--Chaplinsky v. State of New Hampshire (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=315&invol=568), 315 U.S. 568 (1942).

The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. It does not even protect a man from an injunction against uttering words that may have all the effect of force. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree.

--Schenck v. United States (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=249&page=47), 249 U.S. 47 (1919) (internal citations omitted),

Now, I wouldn't go so far as to accuse McCain or Palin of engaging in speech quite this far out, but their rallies are beginning to border on such speech. Such is a type of hate-based campaigning that John Lewis correctly associates with the segregationists.

"With great power comes great responsibility."

damn, that villians thread has made me think of comic books...

Maybe McCain and Palin should be forced to read Spiderman comics until they get this simple concept. :eek::wink:

Let them think what they will. They will suffer from the faith conflict that will happen once Obama wins.

Now, I wouldn't go so far as to accuse McCain or Palin of engaging in speech quite this far out, but their rallies are beginning to border on such speech.
Heck, instead of all this BS, wouldn't it be so much easier and better if we just sorted it out in a proper group /b/ rally?

Maybe McCain and Palin should be forced to read Spiderman comics until they get this simple concept. :eek::wink:
This will be the only time I will ever say this but...

better Spiderman than Batman.

They just wouldn't get Batman.

Maybe McCain and Palin should be forced to read Spiderman comics until they get this simple concept. :eek::wink:

ehh, that would actually make me like them more. But based on that last debate, i'd be inclined to think that McCain can't see too well, what with his wandering off in all directions while Obama was talking. On top of the fact that he clearly couldn't differentiate the difference between green, yellow, and red. Of course, in his defense, obama had that same issue :rolleyes:

If you ask me prehaps Mccain sold himself to win the bid for Notiomion(sp) Bid and now has to do whatever some exterme right wing group in the Rep. party wants to do. I doubt 8 years was enough to change him that much to have such radical views or to be stupid enough to destroy he election after he came back from already being counted 100% out of the race. Maybe he was offered a deal to sell his soul and such be able to make a comeback?

Prehaps Bush acts like a idoit so we so we don't expect as much as we would from a better man?

Anybody get this crazy theory I sprouting out in a effort to highjack this thread?

...and I'm still questioning how he plans to bring change and hope to this country.

The funny thing is that the change Barack Obama would like is for the crap to be taken out of politics, the 'my team' bickering. I think most sensible people are also pretty freaking tired of the point-scoring form of politics, which are being highlighted so well in this election, the idea that an election should be decided by someone's middle name, or the misspelling of his last name.

Alas, he's the one candidate who will stir up enormous amounts of vitriol, simply due to who he is.

I'm really not sure I'm looking forward to the next four years.

The Goddess Selene does not approve of any of this.

The Goddess Selene does not approve of any of this.

Kali-ma, Hecate and the Morrigan join with you.

It's just the usual circus that happens every 4 years;first the buddy-buddy approach,then the stand away and think "what the fcuk are they talking about",then the mud-slinging and finally the oh so subtle shiv in the kidneys.

The Goddess Selene does not approve of any of this.

Kali-ma, Hecate and the Morrigan join with you.

Eris finds it amusing and may be stirring the pot a little herself. But, then, she's weird that way.

Personally, I find it amusing that Palin sought to get protected from witchcraft. Doesn't she know there are older and far darker arts? Personally, I'd be more worried about those than what a bunch of people who worship nature or cut backroom deals for minor bits of power might do. And some of them are beyond the scope of Christianity to protect against, as even the person its named after had to bend knee to their power. Assuming she's honestly worried about people trying anything of the supernatural sort against her.

But, since these are the rules that McCain and Palin choose to use, then fine. Let's play the game. Here's a copy of what I plan to email her:

Go ahead and pray to your sorceror, Palin. You have far older powers to worry about. The servants of Death are watching. And unlike the witches you are so worried about, our Master cannot be stopped by your pitiful little priests. Before you dare say anything about that wannabe demigod you believe will save you soul, remember: Like everyone else, Jesus Christ died in the end. And before you think you're saved, remember the parable of the Fruit and the Tree. I think you'll find it applies to you.

I figure watching her scramble in paranoia after this will be amusing. Especially when she tries to figure out how to protect against Death itself.

Honestly... Christians like Palin are why it is that I honestly believe that Christianity will eventually fade from the planet.

Personally, I find it amusing that Palin sought to get protected from witchcraft. Doesn't she know there are older and far darker arts? Personally, I'd be more worried about those than what a bunch of people who worship nature or cut backroom deals for minor bits of power might do. And some of them are beyond the scope of Christianity to protect against, as even the person its named after had to bend knee to their power. Assuming she's honestly worried about people trying anything of the supernatural sort against her.

Shit, a pinch of this, a bit of that, do the right things involving a photograph or one of those convenient Sarah Palin action figures and a few other props . . .

The only thing that stops me from putting that "protection" of hers to the test is I don't want the Karma.

Also, don't they realize that even "Non-Christians" can be Republican or Libertarians? They don't have to exactly be Liberal or Democrats.

Or that Christians can be Democrats. What about the Christian Democrats that are praying for Obama's success? I guess they just think they are Christian. Really they're praying to "Hindu."

Heh. Given how Palin is presently viewed, all the misfortune befalling her, I think she's got the cumulative battering of scores of witches pounding curses and such on that barrier of faith to drag her down. Best way to avoid a witch's hex is to not tick off the witch. The worst way to avoid a witch's hex is to tell the world you're protected against them.

Heh. Given how Palin is presently viewed, all the misfortune befalling her, I think she's got the cumulative battering of scores of witches pounding curses and such on that barrier of faith to drag her down. Best way to avoid a witch's hex is to not tick off the witch. The worst way to avoid a witch's hex is to tell the world you're protected against them.

No, the worst way is what someone in - I think it was New York - did. They tried to pay to have a death curse put on the candidate opposing them in an election and paid with a rubber check (the lady refused to do it before the check bounced though).

Shit, a pinch of this, a bit of that, do the right things involving a photograph or one of those convenient Sarah Palin action figures and a few other props . . .

The only thing that stops me from putting that "protection" of hers to the test is I don't want the Karma.

Usually, the protections are worthless. Part of how Christian magic typically works is it relies on a combination of true belief and lack of hatred. Most people fail to understand the second one is a requirement... With how Christian beliefs are set up, if you have hatred in your heart, you have opened yourself up to demonic influence or are being influenced by a demon. Palin, who is showing an amazing amount of hatred, managed to nullify the protection, assuming it even worked in the first place.

The second problem she has: Honestly, right now, there's probably a bounty on her soul. Alaska is still primarily primal land, and primal land tends to have spirits that wish to protect it. And Palin's probably been pissing them off. Now that she's screwed the pooch on a national level and has invited enough spellwork against her to make DnD look magicless, they're probably out to get revenge and doing everything they can. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire thing continued to escalate against her.

Honestly, I don't need to do any workings against her. She did them against herself.

Heh. Given how Palin is presently viewed, all the misfortune befalling her, I think she's got the cumulative battering of scores of witches pounding curses and such on that barrier of faith to drag her down. Best way to avoid a witch's hex is to not tick off the witch. The worst way to avoid a witch's hex is to tell the world you're protected against them.

Rule #24: I will maintain a realistic assessment of my strengths and weaknesses. Even though this takes some of the fun out of the job, at least I will never utter the line "No, this cannot be! I AM INVINCIBLE!!!" (After that, death is usually instantaneous.)

From the Evil Overlords Manual. I think it applies here. :p

Wow! How did this become a thread in comparative superstition? The Christians are praying against the "anti-Christian liberals" and the Pagans are wondering whether to risk karmic hits and do some work against her.

Suffice it to say, the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln, a party that once made sense and dealt in logic and information has come all over Fundy Christian useless and backpeddled into medieval superstition. The Democratic Party, the party of Kennedy, the party that once dealt in moderation and tolerance is responding, apparently, by forging an alliance between disgruntled Pagans and athiests. What fun!:rolleyes:

Usually, the protections are worthless. Part of how Christian magic typically works is it relies on a combination of true belief and lack of hatred. Most people fail to understand the second one is a requirement... With how Christian beliefs are set up, if you have hatred in your heart, you have opened yourself up to demonic influence or are being influenced by a demon. Palin, who is showing an amazing amount of hatred, managed to nullify the protection, assuming it even worked in the first place.

The second problem she has: Honestly, right now, there's probably a bounty on her soul. Alaska is still primarily primal land, and primal land tends to have spirits that wish to protect it. And Palin's probably been pissing them off. Now that she's screwed the pooch on a national level and has invited enough spellwork against her to make DnD look magicless, they're probably out to get revenge and doing everything they can. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire thing continued to escalate against her.

Honestly, I don't need to do any workings against her. She did them against herself.In summary, the stars have aligned to screw Palin?

In summary, the stars have aligned to screw Palin?

All except one. That one's selling tickets.

Does the preacher realise that Hindu isn't the name of a god?

Considering he thinks Buddah is a God, and that Allah is the name of some particular God rather than the Arabic word for God, I'd have to say no.

Well, I mean, I am an atheist..

This is why I need to be the Almighty. I would put on my Jesus suit and appear before them and say, "I don't know who the fuck you think you are, but I endorse Obama."

Then I'd pie them all. :)

In summary, the stars have aligned to screw Palin?

No. The heretic dark art of astrology is no match for the divine power of evangelickal magick!

Well, I mean, I am an atheist..

OMG another Muslim!!! Kill the terrorist!!!

That article's wrong. She didn't ask if he was Arab, she said he was an Arab and would therefore be a bad leader.

Wow, am I the only one who never seen a National election this heated? First Palin gets protected against Witchcraft, and now they're praying for Obama defeat.

I may not agree with Obama policies, and I'm still questioning how he plans to bring change and hope to this country. Because remember, while it's nice to have pie in the sky dreams, you need an actual plan to reach those pies. I don't agree with people using the power of prayer to ask for him to be defeated. That's just bad Karma there.

Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

Also, don't they realize that even "Non-Christians" can be Republican or Libertarians? They don't have to exactly be Liberal or Democrats.

It's not idiotic. They're just making sure everyone remembers that a vote for McCain is a vote for God, and that even considering Obama will bring down hellfire around your ears.

It's evil, but it's not idiotic.

The Goddess Selene does not approve of any of this.
The only real thing to say to that is:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a377/jusenkyoguide/notapproved.jpg

3 weeks before the election and mccain draws a crowd of 3000.

thats pathetic.

then some asshole uses it as a chance to go all "us christians vs the rest of the world"

why would any non-nut go to a mccain rally?

why would any non-nut go to a mccain rally?

Someone's got to film the nuts so we can laugh at them :)

Someone's got to film the nuts so we can laugh at them :)
good point!

god bless them every one.

All except one. That one's selling tickets.

Bear in mind that these people don't believe in mysticism the way people in the know do. They think occultism, mysticism and "magic" involve either D&D fireballs or making someone get sick all of a sudden (which would turn Palin into a poor-little-martyr-thing and help them), as opposed to more subtle things.

Obama promises change, but what politician DOESN'T promise some sort of change?
And the British politician's use the word change like its a byword for getting the voters attention and vote.

And looking back on this thread I see we've long moved away from the OP's point.

Could it be the work of Anon?

How many of the republican get togethers have been rick rolled?

Eris finds it amusing and may be stirring the pot a little herself. But, then, she's weird that way. She's also on a ego high from getting a mini planet named after her.

And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,

I see they're letting just any idiot become a priest in America these days.

Is this what passes for Christianity over there now?

Wow, am I the only one who never seen a National election this heated? First Palin gets protected against Witchcraft, and now they're praying for Obama defeat.

I may not agree with Obama policies, and I'm still questioning how he plans to bring change and hope to this country. Because remember, while it's nice to have pie in the sky dreams, you need an actual plan to reach those pies. I don't agree with people using the power of prayer to ask for him to be defeated. That's just bad Karma there.



Link (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

Also, don't they realize that even "Non-Christians" can be Republican or Libertarians? They don't have to exactly be Liberal or Democrats.

Prayer for Obama defeat is about all they have left. Take that away and Obama's slogan may as well be "they haven't got a prayer."

Ermarian;14093043']I see they're letting just any idiot become a priest in America these days.

Is this what passes for Christianity over there now?
"america" has no control over who is or isnt a priest (or minister)

Wow! How did this become a thread in comparative superstition? The Christians are praying against the "anti-Christian liberals" and the Pagans are wondering whether to risk karmic hits and do some work against her.

Talk about being nieveity, just because I am a Democrat I get labeled as a non-Christian. Gee....


All I can say about the Christian Conservatives. If that's Christianity I want no part of it. Their Christanity, is close to being very fasicist. No freedom of choice towards anyone and if you disagree with what they believe, I see nashing of teeth, and a lot of hate and anger. That's not Christianity. In fact they look more like the damned that are spoken by Christ.

Did anybody else think that that prayer got a little too close to polytheism? He stayed on the orthodox side of that line, but it's not too much of a stretch to hear the prayer as admitting that non-Christian gods exist.

Somewhere, the Prophet Elijah is facepalming.

“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.

GODFIGHT!!!

I'm rooting for the God of War, Kratos 08!

Could it be the work of Anon?

LG! would you stop messing with palins head? Come on man she's screwy enough as is!

"And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.

Come on, now. Does size really matter?



P.S. My God is bigger than your God.

Bear in mind that these people don't believe in mysticism the way people in the know do. They think occultism, mysticism and "magic" involve either D&D fireballs or making someone get sick all of a sudden (which would turn Palin into a poor-little-martyr-thing and help them), as opposed to more subtle things.

So if I would appear at a Republican rally with my hands assuming the Kamehameha-position while shouting "Palin, I will send you to another dimension!", they would actually take me seriously?

Meh, McCain's campaign is toast. I really don't care what goes on at his rallies any more...it's all merely desperation, any attempt to get people fired up, any attempt to try to do something to survive. It's not working very well, and it's just weirding moderates out.

So if I would appear at a Republican rally with my hands assuming the Kamehameha-position while shouting "Palin, I will send you to another dimension!", they would actually take me seriously?

Someone would probably counter with a Holy Spirit Bomb.

Someone would probably counter with a Holy Spirit Bomb.

What about the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

So if I would appear at a Republican rally with my hands assuming the Kamehameha-position while shouting "Palin, I will send you to another dimension!", they would actually take me seriously?
Only your hair was glowing yellow and you accompanied it with about 5 hours of grunting and heaving.

Then shit is getting real.

Are they really praying in hopes that their God > Democracy?

"Dear Lord, fuck the will of the people. Please use your superpowers to enforce your divine will despite the opinions of others. They're just godless heathens anyway, who cares what they think?"

:rolleyes:

What about the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Damn, forgot about those!!

Only your hair was glowing yellow and you accompanied it with about 5 hours of grunting and heaving.

Then shit is getting real.

That's going to be a bit of a problem, given my baldness.

Are they really praying in hopes that their God > Democracy?

"Dear Lord, fuck the will of the people. Please use your superpowers to enforce your divine will despite the opinions of others. They're just godless heathens anyway, who cares what they think?"

:rolleyes:

That about sums it up. Of course, that's pretty much what's been happening for the past century, and also the late half of the 19th century. I find it rather eloquent that the 20th century can be summed up in one post.

Only your hair was glowing yellow and you accompanied it with about 5 hours of grunting and heaving.

Then shit is getting real.

That's going to be a bit of a problem, given my baldness.

http://atdpweb.soe.berkeley.edu/2130/daguirre/krillin.jpg

All Secret Service personnel are advised to be on the lookout for any individuals matching this description.

Even if he did, he probably doesn't care.

Most Real Americans™ can't tell the difference between Arab Muslims and Hindu Indians, and this is just the more harmless example of this strain of the They All Look Alike Disease.

"That's true, that's completely true. And it sucks sometimes."
-taken from a ceritified Indian-American Christian citizen who's relatively patriotic and also pro-Obama

Good old Krillin, always dying horribly just before the fight gets really intense. I wasn't planning on following his rather fatal example, given the absence of Dragon Balls on our world.

Oh joy, more ignorant hypocrites trying to influence people
They oughta get a nice smack to the head, might fix whatver problems they have

Good old Krillin, always dying horribly just before the fight gets really intense. I wasn't planning on following his rather fatal example, given the absence of Dragon Balls on our world.

If the McCain campaign has been evidence of anything, it's evidence that our world is full of dragonballs. Bit fat sucky dragonballs.

Ermarian;14093043']Is this what passes for Christianity over there now?Yes. Yes, it is.

If the McCain campaign has been evidence of anything, it's evidence that our world is full of dragonballs. Bit fat sucky dragonballs.

And if ever a woman had them, Palin does.