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Just saw this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1


Basically it talks about how NSA and CIA agents have been listening to private phone calls just for jollies.

Here is an excerpt of the article, regarding how agents listened into phone sex accounts of soldiers:

US Soldier's 'Phone Sex' Intercepted, Shared

Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer.

"Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News.

Faulk said he joined in to listen, and talk about it during breaks in Back Hall's "smoke pit," but ended up feeling badly about his actions.

"I feel that it was something that the people should not have done. Including me," he said.

......


Asked for comment about the ABC News report and accounts of intimate and private phone calls of military officers being passed around, a US intelligence official said "all employees of the US government" should expect that their telephone conversations could be monitored as part of an effort to safeguard security and "information assurance."

"They certainly didn't consent to having interceptions of their telephone sex conversations being passed around like some type of fraternity game," said Jonathon Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University who has testified before Congress on the country's warrantless surveillance program.

"This story is to surveillance law what Abu Ghraib was to prison law," Turley said.




Absolutely disgusting. And I thought we were tapping only those that we needed to, in order to protect our country. But now we are tapping the conversations of ordinary citizens over in the Middle East of american citizenry and on top of that, we are betraying the men and women in uniform who are serving against terrorism, by listening in to their most private conversations with their loved ones. It is a gross betrayal by our government. But what else is new?

Shocking. SHOCKING I SAY!


Oh wait, no its not. This doesnt suprise me at all.

But... but... we'll only use it against terrorists!

:rolleyes:

I say bleh, and go for a cup of tea. :p

Shocking. SHOCKING I SAY!


Oh wait, no its not. This doesnt suprise me at all.

Isn't it sad that we have come to the point that we expect the worst out of our government?

Isn't it sad that we have come to the point that we expect the worst out of our government?

Don't worry. In a month you can get a new one.

Just saw this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1


Basically it talks about how NSA and CIA agents have been listening to private phone calls just for jollies.

Here is an excerpt of the article, regarding how agents listened into phone sex accounts of soldiers:



Absolutely disgusting. And I thought we were tapping only those that we needed to, in order to protect our country. But now we are tapping the conversations of ordinary citizens over in the Middle East of american citizenry and on top of that, we are betraying the men and women in uniform who are serving against terrorism, by listening in to their most private conversations with their loved ones. It is a gross betrayal by our government. But what else is new?

It can be considered a universal given that every time a right is suspended in response to a "national emergency," the right will remain suspended indefinitely (i.e. until such time that it is forgotten that we ever had that right) and, in the absence of the right, there will be abuse.

Don't worry. In a month you can get a new one.

A little less than three and a half, actually.

So the NSA and the CIA are bugging the phones of the United States military.

That's to protect us from terrorists how exactly?

Don't worry. In a month you can get a new one.


Eh, the gov't initially stays the same. We kick out the pres and a few senators, but all the people who are involved in these type of things stick around. Administration doesn't stop for elections. They have to make the country run.

This is nothing new however, the US have been tapping calls from Iraq and Afghanistan for ages.

Don't worry. In a month you can get a new one.

A little less than three and a half, actually.

Both wrong. A few days before the election, Bush will arrange another terrorist attack, get an Enabling Act passed and rule by decree. The year after, he'll accuse his rivals of homosexuality and sedition and have them all murdered.

Isn't it sad that we have come to the point that we expect the worst out of our government?

Ive always expected the worst from our government. I am inhernatly distrustful of them (and before some libertarian jumps on this, I trust the private secter less). However, the last 8 years have just seen my beliefs vindicated and affirmed.

Ive always expected the worst from our government. I am inhernatly distrustful of them (and before some libertarian jumps on this, I trust the private secter less).

So who can you trust? :eek:

Isn't it sad that we have come to the point that we expect the worst out of our government?

Eh that in itself is fairly normal, what is sad is how far the new low is progressing to

This is nothing new however, the US have been tapping calls from Iraq and Afghanistan for ages.

What is the rationale for bugging our own military's phone conversations?

So who can you trust? :eek:

No one. Its a matter of who I distrust less.

What is the rationale for bugging our own military's phone conversations?

Dunno, to catch moles maybe?

So who can you trust? :eek:

I trust the government. I trust it (the people in charge) to lie, cheat, steal, possibly even kill, oppress and generally abuse the people in order to maintain their power.

I trust the corporations. I trust them to lie, cheat, steal, possibly even kill and generally abuse their employees and customers in order to enhance profits.

I'm a very trusting person.

Dunno, to catch moles maybe?

That's not how you catch moles, though. You don't just randomly bug everyone's phone and hope you find one.

That's not how you catch moles, though. You don't just randomly bug everyone's phone and hope you find one.

Exactly. People would catch on to that and then use other means to be all mole-ish.

I'm simultaneously unsurprised and pissed off. I don't know why I should expect the NSA and CIA not to behave like a bunch of frat boys since that's what they're constantly caught doing, but at the same time it's depressing when the pessimists are right.

The greatest condemnation of the Democrats is their failiur to remove the Bush Government from office and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

What is the rationale for bugging our own military's phone conversations?

Well. The US only bugs terrorrists. It's bugged the military's phone conversations. Therefore...:eek:

The greatest condemnation of the Democrats is their failiur to remove the Bush Government from office and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

Honostly, Biden promising to go after Bush/Cheney if he and Obama were elected reenergized my support for them.

Honostly, Biden promising to go after Bush/Cheney if he and Obama were elected reenergized my support for them.

Jo's finest moment. Though as I recall he only said charges were "on the table", not a garuntee that these scum will be prosecuted.

But it has to be done. Not for any partisan reasons. Certainly prosecuting a Republican President under a Democratic administration may lead to heightened partisan ship and even illegal Republican recriminations, but its worth it.

A nation is as strong as its legal system, and especially its Constitution. If Bush and his cronies get off, it will mean that those in power are above the law. As a would-be democracy, we cannot allow that. The rule of law must be upheld, regardless of the consequences.

That's not how you catch moles, though. You don't just randomly bug everyone's phone and hope you find one.

I thought you caught moles with these . . .

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/168907_lg.jpg

or these if you want to catch them alive . . .

http://www.pesthelp.co.uk/img/products/image657.jpg

While I don't support such a thing, I do note one part, it said they were tapping the line of military officers. Now I don't know, but when one becomes an officer in the US military, does one agree and give consent to his telephone being tapped at any time for any reason?

If so, then they voluntarily agreed to it when they took their job. It's not a violation of their rights as they gave consent.

While I don't support such a thing, I do note one part, it said they were tapping the line of military officers. Now I don't know, but when one becomes an officer in the US military, does one agree and give consent to his telephone being tapped at any time for any reason?

If so, then they voluntarily agreed to it when they took their job. It's not a violation of their rights as they gave consent.

I dont know, but considering the various rights one does give up, it wouldnt shock me if that was one of them.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/09/spying.on.americans/index.html

It's nice to know that the Administration isn't selective about whose rights they stomp flat. :p

Crap, this thread must've been in my blind spot.

The sun was in my eyes.

I was distracted by a sudden movement.

:p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=568612

Sorry LG, you were beat to the punch.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=568612

Sorry LG, you were beat to the punch.

Must've been an extreme time warp. ;)

So the NSA and the CIA are bugging the phones of the United States military.

That's to protect us from terrorists how exactly?

Our soldiers are terrorists. Duh. :p

Our soldiers are terrorists. Duh. :p

Not all of them. Or even most of them. But you could argue the guys in charge are.

Ladies & Gentlemen.... the phone tapper.

http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=Cjz_raZ-QXQ

I love this song.

That's not how you catch moles, though. You don't just randomly bug everyone's phone and hope you find one.

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So who can you trust? :eek:


Trust in me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSVkY-01r5o&feature=related

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Joke already made, post #27.

Just saw this article:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5987804&page=1


Basically it talks about how NSA and CIA agents have been listening to private phone calls just for jollies.

Here is an excerpt of the article, regarding how agents listened into phone sex accounts of soldiers:



Absolutely disgusting. And I thought we were tapping only those that we needed to, in order to protect our country. But now we are tapping the conversations of ordinary citizens over in the Middle East of american citizenry and on top of that, we are betraying the men and women in uniform who are serving against terrorism, by listening in to their most private conversations with their loved ones. It is a gross betrayal by our government. But what else is new?

most government phone calls are listened in on at several levels.
normally they are making sure nothing classified is being said over an unsecured line. In my branch of the service we would conduct line checks where we would briefly listen in on an active line to ensure it is of a good quality. incidentally sometimes we would get a sex convo. We never taped it though normally we would just go to the next line to test. This has been going on military lines before 9/11.
The taping and passing it among the Co workers seems to be the issue. They should receive punishment for unprofessional conduct.

Is it worse that this is happening or that I'm not surprised at all by it?

Is it worse that this is happening or that I'm not surprised at all by it?

What's the issue? My cousin worked at Whitehall and while she worked there as well as potentially for the rest of her life her mail could be opened and her phones tapped. This is because she had information that could damage national security. Her background checks were far more stringent than those given to normal security personel.

I see no difference between her and member of the military.