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Wow. No alcohol involved, no sports teams winning the playoffs, no economic crash, no political scandal...... just a guy driving his car sparks riots.

I applaud this complete lack of common sense. *slow hand clap* As a species, I think we're getting dumbererer.

Riots have broken out in the mixed city of Acre after an Israeli Arab man drove his car during the Yom Kippur religious holiday, Israeli reports say.

Dozens of cars and shops were damaged as hundreds of people took to the streets, Haaretz newspaper reported.

For Jews, Yom Kippur is a sombre day of fasting, during which it is considered offensive to drive in much of Israel.

The Arab man was reportedly attacked by youths who said he was making noise intentionally, the paper said.

Most of Israel comes to a standstill on Yom Kippur - the Day of Atonement - the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

Streets are deserted except for a few pedestrians, cyclists and skateboarders, during the 25-hour fast which this year began on Wednesday at 1640 (1440 GMT).

The Arab man is reported to have said he was simply driving to a property he owned in the eastern part of the city.

Bit more story in the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7660628.stm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1027633.html

Wow. No alcohol involved, no sports teams winning the playoffs, no economic crash, no political scandal...... just a guy driving his car sparks riots.

I applaud this complete lack of common sense. *slow hand clap* As a species, I think we're getting dumbererer.



Bit more story in the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7660628.stm

So, in essence, it's a religious offence to drive a car on that day, but rioting and burning shops is absolutely ok?

I'll never understand religious people...

So, in essence, it's a religious offence to drive a car on that day, but rioting and burning shops is absolutely ok?

I'll never understand religious people...

Actually, it's not okay. Here's a quote from the rest of the article:

"This is a very serious incident that the city of Acre has not seen the likes of in recent years and we will deal with all the rioters and those who take the law into their own hands with an iron fist," the head of the Acre police station, Chief Superintendent Avi Edri, told Haaretz.

now what would they have done if it was a tank bring driven by someone?

now what would they have done if it was a tank bring driven by someone?

Yet another reason I want a tank for a personal vehicle. I'd set that thing up with a speaker system that would make most rock concerts envious and then drive through Israel with hard rock blaring from them on that holiday. Just to see what would happen.

Actually, it's not okay. Here's a quote from the rest of the article:

I was referring to the mindset of the people doing the rioting. Not sane people.

I was referring to the mindset of the people doing the rioting. Not sane people.

Touche.

now what would they have done if it was a tank bring driven by someone?

I'd ask where they got the tank, and get one myself. *nod*

It couldn't be more ironic if they punished him by trying to run him over.

And they wodner why I'm opposed to ALL the abrahamic religions....

Yet another proof that violent religious nutcases come in all flavours.

That article is wrong... At least where I live (Eilat), on Yom Kippur all the kids go out to the streets and start making lots of noise by playing with bicycles and skateboards and whatever (and yelling a lot in the progress). It's mostly worse than when there's cars out. Maybe it's different in more religious neighbourhoods, but they're always crazy and I'm just glad I don't live in one (I'd imagine they'd complain that I dare use my computer on the Sabbath and who knows what else).

Actually, it's not okay. Here's a quote from the rest of the article:

Except since gangs from both groups (Jewish and Arab) were involved, how much do you want to bet that the iron fist will only land on certain ethnicities while totally avoiding others regardless of damage done?

After all, an Israeli Arab goes on a rampage with a bulldozer, his neighborhood gets knocked down after he's killed. An Israeli Jew assassinates the Israeli Prime Minister, and they're thinking about releasing him from prison.

Except since gangs from both groups (Jewish and Arab) were involved, how much do you want to bet that the iron fist will only land on certain ethnicities while totally avoiding others regardless of damage done?

After all, an Israeli Arab goes on a rampage with a bulldozer, his neighborhood gets knocked down after he's killed. An Israeli Jew assassinates the Israeli Prime Minister, and they're thinking about releasing him from prison.

I'm not going to get into that conflict. Frankly, both sides are equally guilty and I would like to see the U.S. pull its nose out so the UN can handle it as it should: Sanction Israel back to the stone age and deliver enough peacekeeping forces to make any trouble maker turn their pants brown at the mere thought of trying to do something.

So, in essence, it's a religious offence to drive a car on that day.....<snip>

Even if you are of a different religion... Went to that country once, too damn weird. Wouldn't go there again.

Especially if you are of a different religion... Went to that country once, too damn weird. Wouldn't go there again.


Fixed. Had it been a Jew he likely would of gotten dirty looks at most.

I'm not going to get into that conflict. Frankly, both sides are equally guilty and I would like to see the U.S. pull its nose out so the UN can handle it as it should: Sanction Israel back to the stone age and deliver enough peacekeeping forces to make any trouble maker turn their pants brown at the mere thought of trying to do something.

Might work, so long as you can shrug off the whining of "antisemitism" that's sure to follow.

For this particular conflict though, would be much better to clap the offenders in mixed race chains, and put them to work repairing the damage they caused, with shock treatment for any trouble makers in the gang.

Show that you're really serious about that law and order, and that you're an equal opportunity iron fist.

I'd ask where they got the tank, and get one myself. *nod*

In the UK

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/

In the US

http://www.track-kickers.com/inventory.php

Those guys don't have any actual "tanks", just APCs and such but I bet it's close enough for your purposes.

In the UK

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/

In the US

http://www.track-kickers.com/inventory.php

Those guys don't have any actual "tanks", just APCs and such but I bet it's close enough for your purposes.

The Army also sold in Finland obsolete MBTs

In the UK

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/

In the US

http://www.track-kickers.com/inventory.php

Those guys don't have any actual "tanks", just APCs and such but I bet it's close enough for your purposes.

could use a SA6 - Gainful Launcher + Radar

could use a SA6 - Gainful Launcher + Radar

I wanted to get a Ferret for a winter car (I live in a rural, snowy area) but I couldn't afford to fuel the damned thing.

So much for the say of atonement. Way to sin it up...

In the UK

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/

In the US

http://www.track-kickers.com/inventory.php

Those guys don't have any actual "tanks", just APCs and such but I bet it's close enough for your purposes.You can buy tanks off the German government as well, cept without the guns and they remove the part of the armor that prevents you from getting shot by infantry/policemen.

Fixed. Had it been an Ashkenazi Jew he likely would of gotten dirty looks at most.
Fixed (it's what it comes down to).

So much for the say of atonement. Way to sin it up...

Hey, they have to make sure they have something to atone for next year.

Like a New Years Eve resolution!

Day of Atonement! Yay!

*bleah*

Much as I hate to come in and mess with your orgy of religion bashing I think we should apply a little thought to this.

This is a part of the world where you have 2 ethnic groups who often use religion as an excuse to pummel each other. Without religion, they'd still pummel each other, just for some other contrived excuse.

In the article it said:

"The Arab man was reportedly attacked by youths who said he was making noise intentionally, the paper said."

1)Youths. Not rabbis. How you can look at this and see it as somehow representing the mindset of all Jewish people or, even worse, all Abrahamic Religions (you know who you are) is ridiculous.
2)Was this guy making noise intentionally, in order to antagonize the Jewish people? Maybe.

"The Arab man is reported to have said he was simply driving to a property he owned in the eastern part of the city."

Anybody believe that? Show of hands, please. Yeah, me neither, because let's close our eyes and picture what's happening...

It's Yom Kippur in Acre. According to the article: "Streets are deserted except for a few pedestrians, cyclists and skateboarders, during the 25-hour fast..." so it's quiet. No automobile traffic. Not much foot traffic. Anybody driving a car would be able to cruise along at a pretty good clip.

Now imagine the youths. Where were they? What were they doing? Were they in their homes, fasting, quietly contemplating? Here comes this Arab guy in his car and We're supposed to believe dozens of young Jews heard the car, suddenly jumped up from what they were doing, ran downstairs, bolted out into the street, and all got there in time to mess with a car that was cruising along, unimpeded by any traffic?

Yeah, I guess Acre is the home of the Israeli Olympic Track Team.

Or maybe these youths were already clumped together, maybe in violation of their religious traditions, and were already out there on the street in a group, loitering around, and were able to pounce on the Arab's car. Maybe they were he skateboarders or bicyclists. That's possible, and hardly the fault of any religion.

Either that, or this Arab driver really WAS driving around antagonizing the local Jews and a group of young hotheads decided to fix his little red wagon.

In either case, to use this as some kind of symbol of why religion sucks is an exercise in propaganda and pretty asinine. It's not like Jews all over the world take to the streets to smash cars on Yom Kippur. If they did, then you'd have a point.

In either case, to use this as some kind of symbol of why religion sucks is an exercise in propaganda and pretty asinine. It's not like Jews all over the world take to the streets to smash cars on Yom Kippur. If they did, then you'd have a point.

I don't think anyone was every saying all people of the Jewish religion would do this, just the Israeli application of 'justice' might not be even.

I don't think anyone was every saying all people of the Jewish religion would do this, just the Israeli application of 'justice' might not be even.

It may not be.

But I'm talking about the people on this thread who started using this as an excuse to start in on religion in general, as if somehow this sort of nonsense represented what religion is about.

Wow. No alcohol involved, no sports teams winning the playoffs, no economic crash, no political scandal...... just a guy driving his car sparks riots.

I applaud this complete lack of common sense. *slow hand clap* As a species, I think we're getting dumbererer.



Bit more story in the link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7660628.stm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1027633.html
Secularism ftw. Also, yay, separation of church and state (because it's worse when one religion gets a leg up over the others).

Assholes are assholes, no matter where they call home.

I know that in some neighborhoods in NY, people spread nails and broken glass on the street to punish anyone who might just not obey the sabbath with flats.

I also know that decent people are decent no matter where they call home, and have certainly seen some orthodox practitioners break the Sabbath when strangers are in need.

YMMV.

Well, I guess Israel should simply abolish cars alltogether! That way no one can violate holy days anymore!

Well, I guess Israel should simply abolish cars alltogether! That way no one can violate holy days anymore!
Or... when in Rome, do as the Romans do. If you know it's banned, DON'T DO IT.

Here's the thing though, it's not that it's banned. According to the article, it's simply considered very offensive. As a courtesy one shouldn't drive, but there's no law mandating it from what I can see.

Except since gangs from both groups (Jewish and Arab) were involved, how much do you want to bet that the iron fist will only land on certain ethnicities while totally avoiding others regardless of damage done?

After all, an Israeli Arab goes on a rampage with a bulldozer, his neighborhood gets knocked down after he's killed. An Israeli Jew assassinates the Israeli Prime Minister, and they're thinking about releasing him from prison.

It's only terrorism and violence if Muslims do it.

Here's the thing though, it's not that it's banned. According to the article, it's simply considered very offensive. As a courtesy one shouldn't drive, but there's no law mandating it from what I can see.

The article also reports that Arab drivers have been harassed before by Jewish gangs when driving by them. Looks to me like an excuse to act out some bigotry and be all round retards with the thin veneer of religion as a pardon for their actions.

Here's the thing though, it's not that it's banned. According to the article, it's simply considered very offensive. As a courtesy one shouldn't drive, but there's no law mandating it from what I can see.

I think it'd be analogous to yelling out "LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEEENKINS" as someone's coffin is being lowered into the grave. Not illegal or anything, but damn people will be pissed at you.

The article also reports that Arab drivers have been harassed before by Jewish gangs when driving by them. Looks to me like an excuse to act out some bigotry and be all round retards with the thin veneer of religion as a pardon for their actions.

Totally. Maybe it's what they're trying to do to somehow legitimize their acts.

I think it'd be analogous to yelling out "LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEEENKINS" as someone's coffin is being lowered into the grave. Not illegal or anything, but damn people will be pissed at you.

Agreed. (Maybe someone should do that at the next funeral conducted by the Phelps cult...)

The article also reports that Arab drivers have been harassed before by Jewish gangs when driving by them. Looks to me like an excuse to act out some bigotry and be all round retards with the thin veneer of religion as a pardon for their actions.

Well as might add state sanctioned. Israel's a bastion of democracy in the Middle East- as long as you're not a dirty brown Muslim, that is.

Wow. No alcohol involved, no sports teams winning the playoffs, no economic crash, no political scandal...... just a guy driving his car sparks riots.

I applaud this complete lack of common sense. *slow hand clap* As a species, I think we're getting dumbererer.

Maybe so, but try wearing shorts and a t-shirt in a Muslim country and see what that gets you.

The answer is that you get chased by the religious police until you can find someone with a gun to stop them.

Maybe so, but try wearing shorts and a t-shirt in a Muslim country and see what that gets you.

The answer is that you get chased by the religious police until you can find someone with a gun to stop them.

If all "Muslim countries" are cookie-cutter copies of Saudi Arabia or Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, sure. But otherwise, proof please.

I guess this is just a way of saying it's okay for the Ultra-Orthodoxy to have their religious police in a supposedly democratic nation while howling about Islamic religious police in countries that are anything but democratic.

Hey I wouldn't mind buying one of those WWII German field kitchen uints.

And I would definitely get one of those M53 / M59 Lizard's.

I like how they are renting out some vechiles for weddings.

That's what people want forget the limos get a tank to drive the happy couple away.

He should have ran them over.

He should have ran them over.

IDF would of leveled his block with a missile attack.

Ah religion - always a good excuse to kill people. :)

If all "Muslim countries" are cookie-cutter copies of Saudi Arabia or Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, sure.

This is Myrmi we're talking about. He thinks all Muslim countries, nay, all Muslim NEIGHBORHOODS, are Saudi Arabia.

IDF would of leveled his block with a missile attack.

If he so much as threw a used cigarette butt out of his window the IDF would have launched. If you're screwed anyways well as might get the most of the downward spiral eh?

http://iplitigator.huschblackwell.com/SlimPickens.jpg

A clear violation of freedom and an assualt on human rights. I advise the governments of our world to strongly consider the nuclear option.

If he so much as threw a used cigarette butt out of his window the IDF would have launched. If you're screwed anyways well as might get the most of the downward spiral eh?

http://iplitigator.huschblackwell.com/SlimPickens.jpg

I'll say this for the Israelis, they do not fuck around. Though I question the effectiveness of their methods.

A clear violation of freedom and an assualt on human rights. I advise the governments of our world to strongly consider the nuclear option.

*Looks at sig*

>.>

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So, that Dumb Ideologies, he's really proposing something way out there, isn't he?

I'll say this for the Israelis, they do not fuck around. Though I question the effectiveness of their methods.

Well, when your people have been constantly persecuted throughout history, you'd expect them to be a little pissed.

And now of course, it's pay back time... :D

Well as might add state sanctioned. Israel's a bastion of democracy in the Middle East- as long as you're not a dirty brown Muslim, that is.

I'd like to see you back that up.

I'd like to see you back that up.

That they're a bastion of democracy? Yes, that sounded dubious to me as well.

So I take it there are no ice cream vans doing a roaring trade on these holidays?

So I take it there are no ice cream vans doing a roaring trade on these holidays?

Of course THEY still are - no one can resist Ice Cream. :)

I'd like to see you back that up.

You mean aside from the lack of any strong government crackdown on settlers and anti-Arab violence as inversely opposed to the proportion of IDF opening fire on rock-throwing kids and bulldozing the inhabited home of a family with one member who went on a suicidal rampage all by himself?

And what about the Ultra Orthodoxy policing Jews? Silly Israelis, Zealous Religion Police are for Dirty Moslems.

You mean aside from the lack of any strong government crackdown on settlers and anti-Arab violence as inversely opposed to the proportion of IDF opening fire on rock-throwing kids and bulldozing the inhabited home of a family with one member who went on a suicidal rampage all by himself?

And what about the Ultra Orthodoxy policing Jews? Silly Israelis, Zealous Religion Police are for Dirty Moslems.

Officially, the state doesn't sanction it, which is what sanctioning is usually about. They just tend to allow it and pretend it doesn't happen.

Officially, the state doesn't sanction it, which is what sanctioning is usually about. They just tend to allow it and pretend it doesn't happen.

Point taken.

You mean aside from the lack of any strong government crackdown on settlers and anti-Arab violence as inversely opposed to the proportion of IDF opening fire on rock-throwing kids and bulldozing the inhabited home of a family with one member who went on a suicidal rampage all by himself?

And what about the Ultra Orthodoxy policing Jews? Silly Israelis, Zealous Religion Police are for Dirty Moslems.

I was rather hoping for something coherent but.. whatever gets you through the day...

*Looks at sig*

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So, that Dumb Ideologies, he's really proposing something way out there, isn't he?

*Diverts nuclear bombs launched at Israel to land on your house instead*

Hey, they have to make sure they have something to atone for next year.

What? They couldn't have done it AFTER Yom Kippur... you know in the next 364 days before then next time they have to pretend to repent for their sins? 364 days isn't enough time to sin your ass off?!

That they're a bastion of democracy? Yes, that sounded dubious to me as well.

This is coming from a German. Germany's one of the most oppressive Western democracies.

The entire Middle East is a write off, though.

What? They couldn't have done it AFTER Yom Kippur... you know in the next 364 days before then next time they have to pretend to repent for their sins? 364 days isn't enough time to sin your ass off?!

Them jews aren't big procrastinators you know.
This is coming from a German. Germany's one of the most oppressive Western democracies.
Please take this fallacy out back and shoot it.

This is coming from a German. Germany's one of the most oppressive Western democracies.

Of course it is.
Police there regularly round up immigrants, force them to do harvest work and then send them back to where they came from with only a few thousand Euros!
The injustice is unbelievable.

And nobody is allowed to speak out against it.

Please take this fallacy out back and shoot it.

Germans shouldn't criticise anybody's lack of democracy or oppressiveness.

Germans shouldn't criticise anybody's lack of democracy or oppressiveness.

Why not? USAmericans do it all the time, and their's is a democracy where someone can get elected without actually gaining a majority...

Of course it is.
Police there regularly round up immigrants, force them to do harvest work and then send them back to where they came from with only a few thousand Euros!
The injustice is unbelievable.

And nobody is allowed to speak out against it.

Germany has some of the worst censorship in the Western world. And they're fuckers about it too, trying to enforce it outside Germany, like radical Muslims calling for the beheading of Danish cartoonists.

Why not? USAmericans do it all the time, and their's is a democracy where someone can get elected without actually gaining a majority...

Americans are ignorant, though. Europeans should know better.

Them jews aren't big procrastinators you know.


I thought the whole idea of the Sabbath was to sit on your ass and procrastinate... why did they invent it then if they're going through all that unnecessary effort to sin?

Germany has some of the worst censorship in the Western world. And they're fuckers about it too, trying to enforce it outside Germany, like radical Muslims calling for the beheading of Danish cartoonists.

You mean like... Holocaust Denial Laws? Yep, absolutely oppressive censorship right there.

You mean like... Holocaust Denial Laws? Yep, absolutely oppressive censorship right there.

...

YES! I don't care what the fuck someone says, if they're not a threat, it's freedom of speech, and oppressing it makes you a jerk.

...

Yes! I don't care what the fuck someone says, if they're not a threat, it's freedom of speech, and oppressing it makes you a jerk.

Fire!

You mean like... Holocaust Denial Laws? Yep, absolutely oppressive censorship right there.

While I'm in favour of it... I have to say... allowing people to spew such venomous shit merely exposes them for the shallow dullards they are. They will be mocked by those who know better. It's a good way of modernizing the pariah process.

Yet another reason I want a tank for a personal vehicle. I'd set that thing up with a speaker system that would make most rock concerts envious and then drive through Israel with hard rock blaring from them on that holiday. Just to see what would happen.
mossad would start to hand out Javs

Germans shouldn't criticise anybody's lack of democracy or oppressiveness.
Seriously, do you not understand what the big glaring flaw is with that reasoning? Will I need to spell it out in big red letters or something?
I thought the whole idea of the Sabbath was to sit on your ass and procrastinate... why did they invent it then if they're going through all that unnecessary effort to sin?
Hmmm, you have a point. Man, judaism is complicated.
Fire!

*riots*

Fire!

That's threatening.

Seriously, do you not understand what the big glaring flaw is with that reasoning? Will I need to spell it out in big red letters or something?

Yes.

That's threatening.

Try not to take NSG too seriously - most of 'em are just kidding. :p

Germany has some of the worst censorship in the Western world. And they're fuckers about it too, trying to enforce it outside Germany, like radical Muslims calling for the beheading of Danish cartoonists.

I can't recall the German government ever calling for the beheading of a cartoonist?

I can't recall the German government ever calling for the beheading of a cartoonist?

But they did use the EU to try and have somebody living in the UK deported to Germany to face Holocause denial charges.

i can't recall the german government ever calling for the beheading of a cartoonist?

*snide comment about Nazis designed to invoke Godwin's Law*

I can't recall the German government ever calling for the beheading of a cartoonist?

Thats what reading the liberal media gets you....

But they did use the EU to try and have somebody living in the UK deported to Germany to face Holocause denial charges.

You mean same as the UK was recently asking Ireland to extradite someone to face charges in the UK?
It's European law, membership countries have agreed to it and can ask for extraditions.

You mean same as the UK was recently asking Ireland to extradite someone to face charges in the UK?
It's European law, membership countries have agreed to it and can ask for extraditions.

If it was done in a country where it's not an offence, seeking extradition makes you a wanker.

Like that thing with Poland. Wankers.

If it was done in a country where it's not an offence, seeking extradition makes you a wanker.

Like that thing with Poland. Wankers.

It's a legal proceeding. Not going through with it an at least asking makes you a hypocrite.

Yes.

Very well.
BEING GERMAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU AGREE WITH THE ACTIONS OF THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT. THUS IT IS RIDICULOUS TO SUGGEST THAT GERMANS CANNOT CRITICISE A COUNTRY FOR ITS FAILURE AT DEMOCRACY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GERMAN AND YOU BELIEVE THEIR GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO FAILED AT DEMOCRACY. ENJOY YOUR FALLACIOUS ATTEMPT AT TU QUOQUE.

Why not? USAmericans do it all the time, and their's is a democracy where someone can get elected without actually gaining a majority...

This statement betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the American form of government, specifically its rules governing presidential elections.

Very well.
BEING GERMAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU AGREE WITH THE ACTIONS OF THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT. THUS IT IS RIDICULOUS TO SUGGEST THAT GERMANS CANNOT CRITICISE A COUNTRY FOR ITS FAILURE AT DEMOCRACY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GERMAN AND YOU BELIEVE THEIR GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO FAILED AT DEMOCRACY. ENJOY YOUR FALLACIOUS ATTEMPT AT TU QUOQUE.

No, you are your country.

No, you are your country.

Considering the BNP isn't in charge of Britain, what country does that make you?

It's a legal proceeding. Not going through with it an at least asking makes you a hypocrite.

What, the Holocaust thing, or the POLAND thing? Defending the former makes you a tosser, defending the latter makes you psychotic.

I think it'd be analogous to yelling out "LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEEEEENKINS" as someone's coffin is being lowered into the grave. Not illegal or anything, but damn people will be pissed at you.

If any of you happened to catch the "Funeral Gank" performed by noted WoW guild <Serenity Now> a couple of years ago, one player complained that it was the equivalent of "running around slapping people at a funeral while yelling "LOL OWNED" and then knocking over the coffin".

I have nothing to add to this discussion, but I thank Ifreann for triggering a happy memory. ^^

Considering the BNP isn't in charge of Britain, what country does that make you?

I'm Australian. We really don't do anything.

No, you are your country.
I'm sorry, but even at my heaviest, I am NOT a continental landmass upon which 300 million citizens of the United States live.

Please stay with us in the real world.

I'm Australian. We really don't do anything.
Should I remind you of the shameful way the Australian government has abused and oppressed the Aborigines, and lay that responsibility at your feet now, if you ARE your country?

Should I remind you of the shameful way the Australian government has abused and oppressed the Aborigines, and lay that responsibility at your feet now, if you ARE your country?

Pfhhh, I don't care.

Pfhhh, I don't care.
Obviously.

In that case, you don't get to criticise anyone else for the way their nations have treated anyone. No, not Australians -- just you.

No, you are your country.

*facepalm* (http://philipscheel.net/facepalm.jpg)

But they did use the EU to try and have somebody living in the UK deported to Germany to face Holocause denial charges.

European Arrest Warrants. Remember Pinochet?

/is hoping FO is that old

Obviously.

In that case, you don't get to criticise anyone else for the way their nations have treated anyone. No, not Australians -- just you.

I really just like to point out the flaws in liberals "we love freedom and conservatives are oppressing us" attitudes.

Whatever, this is off-topic. I'm going to bed.

Pfhhh, I don't care.

Then why even bother to bring it up?

I really just like to point out the flaws in liberals "we love freedom and conservatives are oppressing us" attitudes.

Whatever, this is off-topic. I'm going to bed.
Where did liberals come into it? And bedtime comes very conveniently --and suddenly -- when one's arguments' flaws are pointed out, don't they?

Where did liberals come into it? And bedtime comes very conveniently --and suddenly -- when one's arguments' flaws are pointed out, don't they?

Liberal is the new commie.

Where did liberals come into it? And bedtime comes very conveniently --and suddenly -- when one's arguments' flaws are pointed out, don't they?

It's 3:30 in the morning and I have to be up at 8:00.

And what do you mean, when did liberals come into it? Everybody on this board is a liberal; liberals come into it whenever anybody opens their mouth.

European Arrest Warrants. Remember Pinochet?

/is hoping FO is that old

That's a bit different. Murder's a crime everywhere. Especially in the International Court of Justice.

Where did liberals come into it? And bedtime comes very conveniently --and suddenly -- when one's arguments' flaws are pointed out, don't they?

To be fair it is 3:00 in the morning, and I am only popping in here every now and then to take my mind off the last 1000 words I have to do by 9 on trading derivatives.

Should I remind you of the shameful way the Australian government has abused and oppressed the Aborigines, and lay that responsibility at your feet now, if you ARE your country?

Now which policy's would you be reminding us of? The ones before 1964 or the ones that have been since or some of the ones going on right now? Inn either case no side has done a good job of it but this should be left for another thread. Plus I think Arridia is nearby.

That's a bit different. Murder's a crime everywhere. Especially in the International Court of Justice.

A crime is a crime is a crime. The point of such a thing like a European Arrest Warrant is that extradition applications (which are time consuming and cumbersome) are drastically speeded up. EU states obey the same laws under Justice, Freedom and Security - otherwise they wouldn't have signed up to it.

No, you are your country.

Really? I thought we were the world . . .

That's threatening.

I fail to see how mentioning a nonexistent fire is threatening.

Really? I thought we were the world . . .

FeO stated he was Australian therefore "we are one, but we are many" keep your 80's songs out of this.

It's 3:30 in the morning and I have to be up at 8:00.

And what do you mean, when did liberals come into it? Everybody on this board is a liberal; liberals come into it whenever anybody opens their mouth.
Oh, I see. Anyone who disagrees with you = a liberal.
Pointing out hypocrisy = a liberal.
Showing the pot that like the kettle, he is black = a liberal.

Very well. Carry on.

Oh, I see. Anyone who disagrees with you = a liberal.
Pointing out hypocrisy = a liberal.
Showing the pot that like the kettle, he is black = a liberal.

Very well. Carry on.

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Liberal
From you, I wear it as a badge of honor.

From someone bitching about censorship, and saying that a person who merely lives in that country is guilty of it and therefore has no right to say anything (aka, censorship), not so much.

Now which policy's would you be reminding us of? The ones before 1964 or the ones that have been since or some of the ones going on right now? Inn either case no side has done a good job of it but this should be left for another thread. Plus I think Arridia is nearby.
FeO has pretty much said Cabra IS her country, and is responsible for the censorship thereof and therefore censored from expressing an opinon; I want to know if that means that he personally is responsible for the Lost Generation, the oppression of and the damage done to the Aborigines in his country?

It seems a perfectly reasonable question. If Cabra is her country, is he not HIS country?
And if he is his country, then hadn't he better look to the beam in his own eye re: intolerance before criticizing the mote in his neighbor's?

Agreed with FeO. Because I don't agree with the policies the government of my country makes,I should keep hopping countries until I find one that represents me.

Does it apply to race to? I guess I carry the burden of every war that occured with my skin color.

If Cabra is her country, is he not HIS country?

Of course, there is the question of what country Cabra is, as she's a German living in Ireland.

Of course, there is the question of what country Cabra is, as she's a German living in Ireland.

Hum.

At any rate, an efficient drinker?

FeO has pretty much said Cabra IS her country, and is responsible for the censorship thereof and therefore censored from expressing an opinon; I want to know if that means that he personally is responsible for the Lost Generation, the oppression of and the damage done to the Aborigines in his country?

It seems a perfectly reasonable question. If Cabra is her country, is he not HIS country?
And if he is his country, then hadn't he better look to the beam in his own eye re: intolerance before criticizing the mote in his neighbor's?

Yes I understood what you are saying and agree with it, I was trying to do something not to you but about something but I don't know what maybe I should go to bed, but I want to see what LG Jr did.

Yet another reason I want a tank for a personal vehicle. I'd set that thing up with a speaker system that would make most rock concerts envious and then drive through Israel with hard rock blaring from them on that holiday. Just to see what would happen.

Someone would plug you with a bazooka.

In the UK

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/

In the US

http://www.track-kickers.com/inventory.php

Those guys don't have any actual "tanks", just APCs and such but I bet it's close enough for your purposes.

Wrong. Tanks for sale has some T-55s and T-72s for sale.

Wrong. Tanks for sale has some T-55s and T-72s for sale.

I was referring to Track Kickers.

Is anyone getting the learn Hebrew ad?

Pfhhh, I don't care.
Then why should we care? It is now obvious that you are a troll, and belong in my troll-filter. *ploink!*

I was referring to Track Kickers.

Ah. Sorry, because it said "those", rather than "these" I thought you meant both.

Is anyone getting the learn Hebrew ad?

The most important Hebrew phrase that's rising in popularity is the one for "Don't Shoot, I'm Not a Muslim!"

Is anyone getting the learn Hebrew ad?
Nope. Though I suppose given today's a Jewish holiday, it makes sense.

Then why should we care? It is now obvious that you are a troll, and belong in my troll-filter. *ploink!*

The scary thing is that I'm not.

Is anyone getting the learn Hebrew ad?
I had an ad for a game called 'Oil Empires'...

Except since gangs from both groups (Jewish and Arab) were involved, how much do you want to bet that the iron fist will only land on certain ethnicities while totally avoiding others regardless of damage done?


And, like the ceaseless churning of the waves....

Police have arrested an Israeli Arab man who sparked four days of rioting in the town of Acre by driving in a Jewish area during the Yom Kippur holiday.

Tawfik Jamal was remanded in custody on Monday for three days for reckless endangerment, speeding and harming religious sensitivities, police said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7669118.stm

And, like the ceaseless churning of the waves....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7669118.stm

If were a betting person, and the actions of the Israeli government were on the table, I'd have made quite a bit of money I suspect.

If were a betting person, and the actions of the Israeli government were on the table, I'd have made quite a bit of money I suspect.

You'd be lucky to get 5/4 on....Its like backing the only two legged guy in the ass kicking competition at the One Leg halfway house.

Wow. No alcohol involved, no sports teams winning the playoffs, no economic crash, no political scandal...... just a guy driving his car sparks riots.

I applaud this complete lack of common sense. *slow hand clap* As a species, I think we're getting dumbererer.

Yes, because rioting for no good reason is such an unusual occurrence in the middle east.