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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/senate.election/index.html

I think from 1994-2006, especially from 2001 to 2006, the Republicans have shown that they don't deserve control of the House or the Senate. But while I'd like to see the Democrats ge the majority for a while to see what they've got, I have misgivings of the Democratic Party getting a Magic 60 majority in the Senate.

*bleah*

Point being?

*Is English, so meh.* :p

The Democrats will be just as bad as the republicans. Mark my words.

Point being?

Civilization is a fragile thing and I insist on being the one who wrecks it. :)

Civilization is a fragile thing and I insist on being the one who wrecks it. :)

Sorry, but that honour is mine. :p

I think from 1994-2006, especially from 2001 to 2006, the Republicans have shown that they don't deserve control of the House or the Senate. But while I'd like to see the Democrats ge the majority for a while to see what they've got, I have misgivings of the Democratic Party getting a Magic 60 majority in the Senate.

*bleah*

I agree, even though or perhaps especially because I'm conservative, I find that neither party knows wtf they're doing and the more the obstruct each, other the better.

Civilization is a fragile thing and I insist on being the one who wrecks it. :)

Not if I get there first!

I don't know, the first part of Republican rule was pretty good. The budget was balanced, surpluses were created, and we got some nice legislation like the landmark 1996 Telecommunications Act and Graham-Leach-Bliley (seriously). Once the Republicans got the White House, though, all bets were off as we sank in to debt, big-government waste, and utter ineptitude.

I don't know, the first part of Republican rule was pretty good. The budget was balanced, surpluses were created, and we got some nice legislation like the landmark 1996 Telecommunications Act and Graham-Leach-Bliley (seriously). Once the Republicans got the White House, though, all bets were off as we sank in to debt, big-government waste, and utter ineptitude.

Two entirely different groups of Republicans. You had real Republicans first, and then RINOs second.

So, it's either moderate right or fascist right? Some choice. I don't see the difference between the two. They might as well just merge as one. You know, go Conservative the way the PC and the Reformers did...

Two entirely different groups of Republicans. You had real Republicans first, and then RINOs second.

Oh, yeah, that's exactly my point. The entire neoconservative clique is an utter mockery of the things Republicans used to stand for, combining the worst excesses of both parties with a dose of aggressive, unsustainable wars thrown in for good measure.

Any solution that involves Chris Dodd is just another problem. But his uppance will come soon enough.

The Democrats will be just as bad as the republicans. Mark my words.

Based on the atrocities of the last 8 years, I don't find your words convincing.

Not to say that Democrats are saints, but everywhere is up from the pit of Hell.

So, it's either moderate right or fascist right? Some choice. I don't see the difference between the two. They might as well just merge as one. You know, go Conservative the way the PC and the Reformers did...

I wouldn't call the Republicans fascist, and the Democrats or more centre-right than moderate right.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/senate.election/index.html

I think from 1994-2006, especially from 2001 to 2006, the Republicans have shown that they don't deserve control of the House or the Senate. But while I'd like to see the Democrats ge the majority for a while to see what they've got, I have misgivings of the Democratic Party getting a Magic 60 majority in the Senate.

*bleah*

didn't the Democrats have President, both House and senate, and Congress in 1976?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/senate.election/index.html

I think from 1994-2006, especially from 2001 to 2006, the Republicans have shown that they don't deserve control of the House or the Senate. But while I'd like to see the Democrats ge the majority for a while to see what they've got, I have misgivings of the Democratic Party getting a Magic 60 majority in the Senate.

*bleah*

Either party in absolute control is a recipe for a fucking you've not known. Well, the last 8 years aside.

So, it's either moderate right or fascist right? Some choice. I don't see the difference between the two. They might as well just merge as one. You know, go Conservative the way the PC and the Reformers did...

Well, it arguably makes for more freedom than having to choose between Maoism and Stalinism like other countries. See, I can do it too.

given that we need to make some major changes around here, and given that the republican party opposes all of those necessary changes and will do everything in their power to obstruct any move towards them, it seems to me that not only do we need 60 dems (and supporting independents) but we also need some better dems filling even more seats so we can get past the worst of the vichy dems 'bipartisan' idiocy.

i mean, ideally, we'd not have the democrats in power either. but you go to war with the army you have, and all that.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/08/senate.election/index.html

I think from 1994-2006, especially from 2001 to 2006, the Republicans have shown that they don't deserve control of the House or the Senate. But while I'd like to see the Democrats ge the majority for a while to see what they've got, I have misgivings of the Democratic Party getting a Magic 60 majority in the Senate.

*bleah*
if the republicans cant filibuster, i think they'll go taiwan-style and start massive fist fights on the senate floor.

if the republicans cant filibuster, i think they'll go taiwan-style and start massive fist fights on the senate floor.

There certainly is a precedent.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/graphic/xlarge/sumner_caning_xl.jpg

There certainly is a precedent.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/resources/graphic/xlarge/sumner_caning_xl.jpg
you had that all ready to go, just waiting for my comment?

damn, youre good!

if the republicans cant filibuster, i think they'll go taiwan-style and start massive fist fights on the senate floor.

it will certainly make the senate, congress and house more interesting to watch... :p

didn't the Democrats have President, both House and senate, and Congress in 1976?

The world is different now, that was 32 years ago.

The world is different now, that was 32 years ago.

Different in what way?

just out of one desatours war, gas shortages, paranoia still was present in those times...

you had that all ready to go, just waiting for my comment?

damn, youre good!

Indeed. He has a whole folder just prepped and ready.

I have misgivings of the Democratic Party getting a Magic 60 majority in the Senate.
Don't worry, they'll be just short, so Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders will get to decide EVERYTHING.

Don't worry, they'll be just short, so Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders will get to decide EVERYTHING.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. :(

Glad to help!

I'd like to see one house, preferably the HoR, in the Republicans hands. Keep the Senate with the Dems, and get Obama as Prez, but put in that counterbalance.

The Democrats will be just as bad as the republicans. Mark my words.That would be really, really, really ... REALLY fucking hard to accomplish. But there's hope for change, i guess.

i mean, ideally, we'd not have the democrats in power either. but you go to war with the army you have, and all that.Ouch.
http://justimage.org/blog/media/1/20061229-rumsfeld-hussein.jpg

Different in what way?Why, Al Gore invented teh interwebz, that's what way!

I'm not too worried about whether the Dems get a fillibuster proof majority or not...I'm more concerned with replacing Harry Reid as Senate majority leader. (Replacing Pelosi wouldn't be a bad idea either, but it's not as important as replacing Reid)

A good example is the recent expiration of tax-breaks for renewable energy. Reid caved because the Republicans threatened to fillibuster.

LET the Republicans fillbuster such initiatives...it will backfire on them more than it will help them.

I also don't like the idea of the Democrats having a filibuster proof majority. I want them to have to work a bit to get bills through congress.

The Democrats will be just as bad as the republicans. Mark my words.

At this point, being just as bad as the Bushevik Revolution or even worse would have to be a deliberate act of vandalizing the nation's economic, military and social infrastructure on the part of the Democrats. And no party that wants to remain in power would even jokingly think of doing that.

Reid caved because the Republicans threatened to fillibuster.

LET the Republicans fillbuster such initiatives...it will backfire on them more than it will help them.

yeah, this looks totally mystifying from a pure politics standpoint (let alone a principled one). what is to be lost by calling their bluff on some of this shit and either making the republicans actually go through with their obstructionist threats or caving? absolutely nothing, and there is everything to be gained.

but it all makes sense when you realize that the problem is that not only are dems a terrible political party that is so very easily frightened, but large portions of them - including portions of the leadership - are on the other side.

I also don't like the idea of the Democrats having a filibuster proof majority. I want them to have to work a bit to get bills through congress.

how's that been working out for you recently?

how's that been working out for you recently?

Huh? It largely seems like the Democrats in congress haven't been able to do anything.

Huh? It largely seems like the Democrats in congress haven't been able to do anything.

exactly. in a time when there is so much going wrong, neither compromise with those unrepentantly responsible for much of the wrong nor allowing obstructionism by them leads to solutions.

exactly. in a time when there is so much going wrong, neither compromise with those unrepentantly responsible for much of the wrong nor allowing obstructionism by them leads to solutions.

I just don't want their majority to be too huge. It's just too close to one party rule for my tastes, and I am a democrat myself. I also think that if they never have to fight to get things through, they'll get out of practice.