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Nude Baby Pictures (NO LINKS!)

Wilgrove
06-10-2008, 03:26
So, naked baby pictures, are they cute or are they sick and perverted? I guess it depends on the motive behind the picture, if a parent are taking pictures of their baby lying naked on a bear rug because they think it's cute. Then it's cute. However, if they're doing it because they're sick bastards, then I have the world's largest Dildo for them.

I dunno though, if I ever have kids, fat chance of that happening, I would not take any naked pictures of them.

Thoughts?
South Lizasauria
06-10-2008, 03:29
So, naked baby pictures, are they cute or are they sick and perverted? I guess it depends on the motive behind the picture, if a parent are taking pictures of their baby lying naked on a bear rug because they think it's cute. Then it's cute. However, if they're doing it because they're sick bastards, then I have the world's largest Dildo for them.

I dunno though, if I ever have kids (fat chance of that happening, I would not take any naked pictures of them.

Thoughts?

Loving parents would never want their children exploited thus they would never take any compromising pictures of them. In today's society acquiring such pictures is easy, I sure as hell wouldn't want any of my kids (should I have them) pictures put on the net by perverts.
Rhagers
06-10-2008, 03:30
Not so cute when you think about who will be looking at them. Say you go to get film developed, then you've got a lot of other, maybe malicious, eyes looking at them. Say you take them on a digital camera, what if you lose it or it gets stolen. Lord only knows where those pictures would end up.

For the sake of your child, just say no to naked pictures.
Articoa
06-10-2008, 03:32
Not cute. I'm pretty much going with what South Lizasauria said. Parents should/would think smart about that and would avoid the whole situation.
Katganistan
06-10-2008, 03:34
If it's just a picture of an infant lying on a rug, or sitting in a tub, or something completely innocent, then I think it's tasteless but ok. If they're put on display like a Playboy model, then yuck.

For my part, if I had kids, they'd be dressed in cute clothes and costumes.
Dakini
06-10-2008, 03:40
My parents have pictures of me in the tub with my sister when I was 7 and she was 5.

Somewhere there's a picture of one of my other sisters sleeping draped across two chairs without pants on (she had this thing where she didn't like to wear clothes sometimes and just fell asleep somewhere... you can't see anything but still).

It's embarrassing when my mom gets the books out and decides to show my friends, but this doesn't happen often so I don't care that much. And I get that some people take such pictures with not so innocent intentions, but parents and newborns and cameras = lots of pictures in general.
Wilgrove
06-10-2008, 03:43
I know my parents have naked pictures of me, which thankfully hasn't seen the light of day in about 23 years.....

My brother and his wife has a picture of their son in a bath tub, and yes you can see his dangly parts. What did they decide to do with such a picture....put it on an online photo album...... *facepalm*
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
06-10-2008, 03:47
Parents who think that naked baby pictures are cute are worse than pedophiles. At least pedophiles know what they're doing is wrong, and so they hide the evidence of their actions rather than whipping out the old album and showing everyone their little boy's potty training.
Neesika
06-10-2008, 03:53
There are some really disturbing opinions about the inherent sexuality of the nudity of children in this thread.

I have any number of pictures of my kids nude...that's because my kids always like running around naked. Or mostly naked. Rubber boots have always been an essential clothing item.

I did the same thing when I was a kid. Oh what...it's better to force them to cover up and teach them to be ashamed of their bodies from day one, because there are sick fucks out there who might get turned on?

Yeah no...how about instead, I do what I do, which is let them be themselves in the privacy of their home? OMG sometimes I'm not completely dressed around my kids...someone lock me up!
Neesika
06-10-2008, 03:55
Parents who think that naked baby pictures are cute are worse than pedophiles. At least pedophiles know what they're doing is wrong, and so they hide the evidence of their actions rather than whipping out the old album and showing everyone their little boy's potty training.

Making a powerpoint presentation for the wedding reception is a much better idea. *nods*
Wilgrove
06-10-2008, 03:58
There are some really disturbing opinions about the inherent sexuality of the nudity of children in this thread.

I have any number of pictures of my kids nude...that's because my kids always like running around naked. Or mostly naked. Rubber boots have always been an essential clothing item.

I did the same thing when I was a kid. Oh what...it's better to force them to cover up and teach them to be ashamed of their bodies from day one, because there are sick fucks out there who might get turned on?

Yeah no...how about instead, I do what I do, which is let them be themselves in the privacy of their home? OMG sometimes I'm not completely dressed around my kids...someone lock me up!

Wow......that's quiet a leap Neesika.....Hell even Evil Knievel couldn't make that leap.....back when he was alive....and his health wasn't shot to Hell.

We're not saying that kids can't be naked in the privacy of their own home, I personally just don't find it "cute" to take pictures of it and then show it to people.
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:02
Wow......that's quiet a leap Neesika.....Hell even Evil Knievel couldn't make that leap.....back when he was alive....and his health wasn't shot to Hell. Get over yourself for once, Wilgrove, and make the giant leap that I MIGHT be referring to people other than yourself.



We're not saying that kids can't be naked in the privacy of their own home, I personally just don't find it "cute" to take pictures of it and then show it to people.We? We? You're a hive mind now? You speak for everyone else in this thread?

No. You don't. You also don't follow up a 'we' statement with 'I personally'. It's contradictory and silly.

We've got people saying you're essentially setting up your children for exploitation if you take nude pics etc. Just a little overboard no? Just a little beyond, 'it's not cute!'
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
06-10-2008, 04:02
Making a powerpoint presentation for the wedding reception is a much better idea. *nods*
This is exactly what my evil brother and father would say, and that's why, if I ever do get married, my family will be the last people to learn.
"Hey, Mom, meet Claire, she's my wife. Actually, my second wife."
Then, while she's unconscious and the rest of my family is trying to revive her, I can steal all the albums and burn them.
Wilgrove
06-10-2008, 04:04
This is exactly what my evil brother and father would say, and that's why, if I ever do get married, my family will be the last people to learn.
"Hey, Mom, meet Claire, she's my wife. Actually, my second wife."
Then, while she's unconscious and the rest of my family is trying to revive her, I can steal all the albums and burn them.

Hell just do what I do. Burn down the whole house. *nod*
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:04
This is exactly what my evil brother and father would say, and that's why, if I ever do get married, my family will be the last people to learn.
"Hey, Mom, meet Claire, she's my wife. Actually, my second wife."
Then, while she's unconscious and the rest of my family is trying to revive her, I can steal all the albums and burn them.

I can't WAIT to see compromising pictures of GoG when he was a kid.

If my dad had been home when I introduced GoG to my mom, my own compromising pictures would have been showcased already, and there's nothing I could have done to stop it.

I've made my peace with it. Perhaps you should too :D
SaintB
06-10-2008, 04:05
Get over yourself for once, Wilgrove, and make the giant leap that I MIGHT be referring to people other than yourself.

We? We? You're a hive mind now? You speak for everyone else in this thread?

No. You don't. You also don't follow up a 'we' statement with 'I personally'. It's contradictory and silly.

We've got people saying you're essentially setting up your children for exploitation if you take nude pics etc. Just a little overboard no? Just a little beyond, 'it's not cute!'

Methinks Neesikas in a bad mood...

Anyway; to be fair I don't think its cute to show people pictures of your kids running around naked.. but its not my place to tell people they can't.
Barringtonia
06-10-2008, 04:09
Also, on those nature shows, I don't think they should show the natives with their breasts hanging out since perverts will probably be getting off on that, also animals fucking, what's that about, porn for people into bestiality?

So really, I think we should all be wrapped in bubble-wrap and sheltered from this wicked world.

Seriously, babies are naked, parents take pictures, it's a sad world when we can't handle reality.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
06-10-2008, 04:10
I can't WAIT to see compromising pictures of GoG when he was a kid.

If my dad had been home when I introduced GoG to my mom, my own compromising pictures would have been showcased already, and there's nothing I could have done to stop it.

I've made my peace with it. Perhaps you should too :D
You mean, maybe I should become a mature, self-confident adult who is capable of admitting his imperfections and laughing at them?
NEVAR!
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:12
Also, on those nature shows, I don't think they should show the natives with their breasts hanging out since perverts will probably be getting off on that, also animals fucking, what's that about, porn for people into bestiality?

So really, I think we should all be wrapped in bubble-wrap and sheltered from this wicked world.

Seriously, babies are naked, parents take pictures, it's a sad world when we can't handle reality.

Thank you.

I think it says a lot more about the sexual issues of the people making these insane leaps to 'omg exploitation will surely follow' than it EVER could about the parents taking said pictures.
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:13
You mean, maybe I should become a mature, self-confident adult who is capable of admitting his imperfections and laughing at them?
NEVAR!

When you put it like that...

Goddamn it! I can't support that either!
Poliwanacraca
06-10-2008, 04:14
...I cannot even imagine being disturbed by naked pictures of babies and toddlers, or stating that it is somehow bad or exploitative for parents to take such pictures. There is nothing intrinsically sexual about nudity, especially the nudity of infants, and I am, quite frankly, pretty creeped out by the idea that I should be creeped out by naked baby pictures.
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:17
...I cannot even imagine being disturbed by naked pictures of babies and toddlers, or stating that it is somehow bad or exploitative for parents to take such pictures. There is nothing intrinsically sexual about nudity, especially the nudity of infants, and I am, quite frankly, pretty creeped out by the idea that I should be creeped out by naked baby pictures.

See maybe if I said it like this, with less 'fuck' words, people wouldn't manage to get it all wrong.

Ah, what the fuck ever.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
06-10-2008, 04:21
...I cannot even imagine being disturbed by naked pictures of babies and toddlers, or stating that it is somehow bad or exploitative for parents to take such pictures. There is nothing intrinsically sexual about nudity, especially the nudity of infants, and I am, quite frankly, pretty creeped out by the idea that I should be creeped out by naked baby pictures.
The amount of baby penis in Little Otik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6B-upsklsQ&feature=related) creeped me out quite a lot, but that whole movie was creepy as all fucking Hell.
Poliwanacraca
06-10-2008, 04:22
See maybe if I said it like this, with less 'fuck' words, people wouldn't manage to get it all wrong.

Ah, what the fuck ever.

Hey, it's only appropriate that you have more fucks than I do. Posting on NSG is kinda like an art, and art is supposed to reflect life, after all. :tongue:
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:25
Hey, it's only appropriate that you have more fucks than I do. Posting on NSG is kinda like an art, and art is supposed to reflect life, after all. :tongue:

That would totally change in a heart beat if you were into chicks :D
NERVUN
06-10-2008, 04:49
Meh, I'Ve taken a couple of my son, usually because he was doing something cute at the time or it was the first time for him to try something, like swimming.

I'm planing on keeping them safe and secure...

Until he shows up at home with his girlfriend for the first time. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Neesika
06-10-2008, 04:58
'Zactly.
Thumbless Pete Crabbe
06-10-2008, 05:19
Woah. Some paranoia on the first page. Now, I sure wouldn't publish nude pictures of my (hypothetical) baby, especially online, but the mere fact that some demented individual might read sexuality into a non-sexual image shouldn't warp your view of nature - that isn't right, and it simply isn't practical to censor ordinary images, just because a damaged mind might be excited by them. Imagine the implications of that.
Anti-Social Darwinism
06-10-2008, 06:11
I took pictures of my daughter in the tub when she was about 18 months old. Of course, it was a bubble bath and the bubbles were up to her chin and she had big blob of them on top of her head. I just thought it was cute, I had no idea ...
Chernobyl-Pripyat
06-10-2008, 06:14
http://thenastyboys.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/chris-hansen.jpg
Anti-Social Darwinism
06-10-2008, 07:57
For once I have to say Neesika has a point. Kids wear clothes because we make them. My kids used to run around the house nude when they were pre-schoolers (for some reason, when they got to school, that came to an abrupt end).

Once I had a potential boyfriend over and my daughter came dashing out of the bathroom, stark naked and dripping bubbles. The potential BF went into hysterics about the indecency of this naked child running into her own living room to tell her mom she needed a towel. Suffice it to say, he lost all his potential. Naked children aren't inherently sexual until some adult asshole decides to sexualize them.
Cameroi
06-10-2008, 09:04
well most people thought they were innocently and harmlessly 'cute', before the fanatical loonies took over. i always thought they were kind of a violation of the future individual, but not in the perverted sense fanatical loonies who call naked cherubs on public buildings pornography are trying to make out of it.
SoWiBi
06-10-2008, 09:44
To everybody's surprise, I'll side with Sin here - WTF is wrong with you people who think nude persons, especially kids/infants, and/or pictures thereof are wrong?

To repeat what's been said before: Nudity is not inherently sexual, especially nudity in private settings, and even more especially never ever with kids/infants. It's very sad when adult people transmit the notion that nudity, or the bodies involved, is shameful to their kids, either directly or indirectly, such as when private nudity is discouraged or nude pictures banned.

That said, I've recently bestowed the massive honor and move of trust on my boyfriend and let him peruse my kid photo albums. His comment, after looking through years 0-5, was "So, for 90% of the pictures, it is true to say that you are either eating, nude, or both. You haven't changed much, have you?"

Of course, you want to see to it that pictures, especially nude pictures, do not fall into the wrong hands, and of course this means a different level of precaution in the digital/online times, but that's a given and in no way means a ban on shooting and privately keeping them.

.. and showing pictures of whatever nature of any person to other persons without their expressed consent is IMHO always very wrong, no matter whether clothed or naked, perceivedly cute or not, and I don't care whether "it'd be such a laugh" or "it's tradition" or whatever.
The Free Priesthood
06-10-2008, 10:37
Although I can't look into their minds, I would guess it doesn't matter very much to a pedophile whether or not a child in a photo is nude or not. I mean, I've seen some very unexciting photos of nude adults, and some very exciting photos of clothed adults.

Of course there are many people to who it is not position and context that matter, but the degree of clothedness. That's really sad, but because there are so many of them it might not be a good idea to put any kind of nude pictures in places where strangers can see them. Unfortunately that is likely to reinforce the sexualization of nudity.

Creepy thought of the day: if (normal!) photos of you have been available online for a couple years already, then it's quite likely someone somewhere has touched themselves while looking at those pictures.

I say all images are inherently sexual, and individuals under 21 should not be allowed to look at images of anything.
Suvyamarah
06-10-2008, 11:17
...

Creepy thought of the day: if (normal!) photos of you have been available online for a couple years already, then it's quite likely someone somewhere has touched themselves while looking at those pictures.

This basically expresses a thought I've seen repeated a couple of times on this thread, which is basically, "What if somebody (like the photo developer) was to see pics of my naked baby and find them arousing?"

So, what if? Explain to me how that affects you or your baby. You have no knowledge of it. It's purely conjecture on your part and the fact that you'd be dwelling on such makes me worry more about you than a probable 'him'.

Hell, let's even throw in a dash of reality. Let's say that a guy who works for your local drug store where you routinely have your film developed is arrested for collecting pics of naked babies that have come thru the lab. He almost certainly has pics of your baby in his collection. I still fail to see how that has any affect on you or your kid. I'm in no way defending his actions, but I also honestly fail to see how you could be negatively impacted by this. Hell, all babies look alike anyway. Seen one, seen em all.
Liminus
06-10-2008, 12:07
Eh, to be honest, I just don't want to see pictures of your kid. Unless the thing is related to me, baby pictures, naked or not, are so freaking boring. Ya, it's got a head, some limbs and a face; adorable. Now if you have a picture of your baby shooting lasers out of its eyes....that is an interesting baby picture.
The Free Priesthood
06-10-2008, 12:17
Barking up the wrong tree, Suvyamarah. By "normal" I meant clothed adult in a normal portrait. My point was that no matter what kind of picture you put online, someone exists somewhere who will find it arousing, and they will find it.

As long as you don't know, this doesn't matter. When you do become aware of it, it's either gross or flattering. I have difficulty being flattered by the idea of someone drooling over my baby photos, though, and so I'm very happy those cannot be found on the web.

True story: I have removed some boring photos of me attending a conference from the web, because the logs showed someone I didn't know was looking at them a few times a week, many months after said conference.
Peepelonia
06-10-2008, 12:35
Loving parents would never want their children exploited thus they would never take any compromising pictures of them.

This is quite frankly bolloxs.

I have two kids, and shit loads of photos of them, naked or not, they are in my house, in my albums, totaly private(until the time comes when I get to show them to the kids girlfriends or perhaps boyfriends)).

A loving parent should not be afraid to take natural photo's of their kids because a tiny minority of people are peadophiles.
Bottle
06-10-2008, 14:40
There are some really disturbing opinions about the inherent sexuality of the nudity of children in this thread.

Yeah, wow, I'm seriously squigged out by the number of people who seem to think that nudity = sex or something.

I was nude a lot as a child. Sometimes I did something cute while I happened to be nude. Sometimes my parents had a camera handy, and they took a picture of my cuteness at that moment. I am told I was very prone to diaper rash as an infant, so there are lots of pictures of me wearing a little shirt or something but no pants because it was much more comfortable for me.

There are also pictures of baby-me in the bathtub because, if I may say, I was ridiculously awesomely cute when given the opportunity to splash.

There are even--BRACE YOURSELVES--pictures of me in the bathtub with OTHER CHILDREN!!!!!! Yes, as a small child I sometimes had baths with cousins or friends. Sometimes we were of the opposite sex!!! AMG AMG AMG THE TERROR!!!!

So?

Nudity =/= sex. I've seen my parents nude, they've seen me nude. My brother only recently started bothering to close his door when he changes clothes, and he's 17.

In my family, nudity just isn't a big deal.
Smunkeeville
06-10-2008, 14:54
I had a hard time explaining to my mother and my mother in law why there would be no obligatory bath photo of my children.....I didn't see what was so hard to understand, namely you don't take pictures of someone naked without their permission. It's not so much the 'pervert' thing with me, as much as my mom flashes naked pics of me like it's nothing and as a child it was plenty embarrassing.
UpwardThrust
06-10-2008, 14:58
They simply are not cute for me ... the moment may be cute when it happens the photos are just not on par with the moment and often are embarrassing later in life

I did not particularly care for the rare few that i had and wont be doing that to my child

It has noting to do with the non-existant "sexuality" of the situation
Bottle
06-10-2008, 14:59
I had a hard time explaining to my mother and my mother in law why there would be no obligatory bath photo of my children.....I didn't see what was so hard to understand, namely you don't take pictures of someone naked without their permission. It's not so much the 'pervert' thing with me, as much as my mom flashes naked pics of me like it's nothing and as a child it was plenty embarrassing.
There's a lot to unpack from this brief post of yours!

1) I think it's silly to have "obligatory bath photos" of children. Like, there's no particular reason why a parent should feel like they MUST take bath pictures. If your kid happens to be cute in the tub, fine, snap a pic the same way you would if they weren't in the bath. But kids do enough cute things that there's really no need to stage photos.

2) I don't think it's polite to take pictures of people without their permission, clothed or unclothed. Yet I think baby pictures are okay. Once your kid is capable of expressing an opinion about having their pic taken I think you should listen to them, but I don't think you should miss out on their entire babyhood because you're waiting for their permission to take a picture.

3) SHOWING pictures should also be something you do with respect!!! If there's a picture of you that you really really hate then it's mean for your parents to show it around, regardless of what you're wearing. If you've told your mom that you find certain pictures embarrassing, then she's being disrespectful for showing them anyhow and causing you to feel lousy. Whether or not you're nude in those pictures is beside the point. (In my opinion)
Smunkeeville
06-10-2008, 15:11
They simply are not cute for me ... the moment may be cute when it happens the photos are just not on par with the moment and often are embarrassing later in life

I did not particularly care for the rare few that i had and wont be doing that to my child

It has noting to do with the non-existant "sexuality" of the situation
This.
There's a lot to unpack from this brief post of yours!

1) I think it's silly to have "obligatory bath photos" of children. Like, there's no particular reason why a parent should feel like they MUST take bath pictures. If your kid happens to be cute in the tub, fine, snap a pic the same way you would if they weren't in the bath. But kids do enough cute things that there's really no need to stage photos.

I thought it was stupid too.

2) I don't think it's polite to take pictures of people without their permission, clothed or unclothed. Yet I think baby pictures are okay. Once your kid is capable of expressing an opinion about having their pic taken I think you should listen to them, but I don't think you should miss out on their entire babyhood because you're waiting for their permission to take a picture.

I agree, and I took a ton of pics of my kids, but they were naked as babies so infrequently that it would have been almost going out of the way to grab a camera. I didn't see the point in naked baby pics. I have pics of their feet though....
They were nearly naked all the time after they were toddlers. I didn't take any pics of them naked then because they didn't want me to.

3) SHOWING pictures should also be something you do with respect!!! If there's a picture of you that you really really hate then it's mean for your parents to show it around, regardless of what you're wearing. If you've told your mom that you find certain pictures embarrassing, then she's being disrespectful for showing them anyhow and causing you to feel lousy. Whether or not you're nude in those pictures is beside the point. (In my opinion)
Again, I agree completely.
Forsakia
06-10-2008, 15:11
I don't like them. I wouldn't consider them sexual, but if you must take them (and I understand that parental blackmail is an important part of an adult relationship) don't show them to me. I just don't want to see them.
Sneaky Puppet
06-10-2008, 15:25
Well, I though the idea of banning all naked baby pictures was a little extreme until I realized that it was the perfect opportunity to criminalize owning the Nirvana album Nevermind. Now I'm all for it.
Fishutopia
06-10-2008, 16:42
I must say, there was a bit of extremism at the beginning. A photo is all about intent. Father taking photo of young girl at swimming carnival, and other girls being caught in the shot, no problem. Weird stranger with no connection to the children taking same shots, check his house for home made video tapes.

Any naked shot taken by the parent's, so what. I don't think it's smart putting it on the net, but even then. If said pervert whacks off on it, does it actually harm the photo subject. The child has no idea about what people are doing with the image.
Barringtonia
06-10-2008, 17:06
I sometimes think we sanitize life too much. We hide death, birth, sex, life. We seek to protect so much that we create an artificial reality. There was a time where we were all mostly naked, and now it seems such a taboo.

As much as I'd prefer not to have baby photos brought out as a source of amusement, it's somewhat humbling to remember that we were all helpless once, often are now.

*another public service announcement (http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=_uwIFn-wSJY)*
The Parkus Empire
06-10-2008, 18:52
So, naked baby pictures, are they cute or are they sick and perverted? I guess it depends on the motive behind the picture, if a parent are taking pictures of their baby lying naked on a bear rug because they think it's cute. Then it's cute. However, if they're doing it because they're sick bastards, then I have the world's largest Dildo for them.

I dunno though, if I ever have kids, fat chance of that happening, I would not take any naked pictures of them.

Thoughts?

Nudity is never sick or perverted, unless sexuality is involved. Parents are not using the pictures as an aid for solitary pleasures, so if you are not trying to be funny, you, yourself, are a pervert.
Apollyonus
06-10-2008, 19:12
Two weeks ago, the photographer at Sears suggested a nude pose for my 6-month-old son. The shots turned out to be really cute, and I'm glad we took them. The question of sexuality never even crossed our minds.

Oh, and OMG I do not care what you think is right or wrong for OUR son! Go have your own kids so you can punish them for having genitalia.
Free Outer Eugenia
06-10-2008, 19:38
Nothing wrong with naked baby pictures as such. Using these pictures to embarass your children when they are older certainly isn't nice though.

Nothing wrong with masturbating to such snapshots either, provided that you leave the actual flesh-and-blood babies alone. Sick and creepy? Yes. But wrong? In my opinion, something can only be wrong if it causes actual harm.
Snafturi
06-10-2008, 20:14
Thoughts?

if a parent are taking pictures of their baby lying naked on a bear rug because they think it's cute. Then it's cute. However, if they're doing it because they're sick bastards, then I have the world's largest Dildo for them.
So in other words, paedophelia is paedophelia.
Gravlen
06-10-2008, 20:16
So, naked baby pictures, are they cute or are they sick and perverted? I guess it depends on the motive behind the picture, if a parent are taking pictures of their baby lying naked on a bear rug because they think it's cute. Then it's cute. However, if they're doing it because they're sick bastards, then I have the world's largest Dildo for them.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g274/Marneus767/LOLWUT5.jpg

Cuteness is in the eye of the photographer? It's only creepy if the parent has creepy motivations? Wut wut?

Is this creepy?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/DSC02550.jpg

I dunno though, if I ever have kids, fat chance of that happening, I would not take any naked pictures of them.

Thoughts?
You're being silly and uptight?
DrunkenDove
06-10-2008, 20:20
I'm not only against nude baby pictures, but I'm also against naked baby feet in pictures. What if someone with a foot fetish should happen along? What would the church elders think then?
DrunkenDove
06-10-2008, 20:21
Is this creepy?
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/DSC02550.jpg


Creepy, no. Hillarious and confusing, yes.
Poliwanacraca
06-10-2008, 20:29
You will just take any opportunity to post that drop-kicked baby, huh? :tongue:
Gravlen
06-10-2008, 20:38
Creepy, no. Hillarious and confusing, yes.
But how do you know the intention of the artist was to make it hilarious and confusing?

Well... OK, that he meant it to be confusing is clear as day, but still...

I'm not a mind reader! http://forums.tvgasm.com/images/smilies/cursing.gif

You will just take any opportunity to post that drop-kicked baby, huh? :tongue:

Of course! http://forums.tvgasm.com/images/smilies/innocent.gif

Actually, I think it has seen too little usage lately...
Forsakia
06-10-2008, 20:46
So, naked baby pictures, are they cute or are they sick and perverted? I guess it depends on the motive behind the picture, if a parent are taking pictures of their baby lying naked on a bear rug because they think it's cute. Then it's cute. However, if they're doing it because they're sick bastards, then I have the world's largest Dildo for them.

I dunno though, if I ever have kids, fat chance of that happening, I would not take any naked pictures of them.

Thoughts?

Why do you own the world's biggest dildo?
Nanatsu no Tsuki
06-10-2008, 20:48
So in other words, paedophelia is paedophelia.

Aren´t they the same thing with different spelling?:confused:
Wilgrove
06-10-2008, 20:50
Why do you own the world's biggest dildo?

Think about it, world's largest dildo, but no lube. Try sticking that up your bum.....
Kattia
06-10-2008, 21:00
I just have to reply on this one!
I think the whole "there might be a pedo around the corner" business is really getting out of hand!
It has become an obsession in many countries around the world. Serving as an excuse when laws contradicting free speech and free thinking need to be passed and generally when the essential human rights need to be broken.
It has become a scarecrow of modern society and an outlet for hate and prejudice for many people.
A pedophile is a modern communist, Jew or homosexual.
I will never understand why people always need a minority to persecute and blame for all their failures.
Wake up, people! Have you ever, EVER, talked to a pedo? Or seen one, for that matter? (And I'm not counting TV)
Let me give you an advice: Do not care what others might think when viewing a photo of your naked infant! Hell, do not care what others might think when doing whatever! It's their thoughts and they should mean nothing to you! Do not think that thoughts are a precursor of acts!
Do not constrict yourself or your child's life because of a false fear! Live your life and don't care!
It's better to have one in ten million children raped than to have one in five children paranoid, ashamed of his/her own body, etc. for the rest of his/her life. And destroy millions of adults (by accusations of pedophilia and whatnot) in the process.
I just hope this will end soon and people will realize the stupidity of all this.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
06-10-2008, 21:03
Think about it, world's largest dildo, but no lube. Try sticking that up your bum.....

Oh my gods, my mind´s eye weeps at the imagining of this scene.:eek2:
Gravlen
06-10-2008, 21:14
Oh my gods, my mind´s eye weeps at the imagining of this scene.:eek2:

Caused by desire or despair? ;)
Vampire Knight Zero
06-10-2008, 21:14
How gross.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
06-10-2008, 21:16
Caused by desire or despair? ;)

A mixture of both.

No lube... giant dildo... OUCH!:eek2:
Vault 10
06-10-2008, 21:18
So, naked baby pictures, are they cute or are they sick and perverted?
Sick and perverted. If you don't dress up your baby before taking photos, you're not just a pedo - you're a babyfuck.
Gravlen
06-10-2008, 22:09
Sick and perverted. If you don't dress up your baby before taking photos, you're not just a pedo - you're a babyfuck.

What? What's your reasoning for this stance? :confused:
UNIverseVERSE
06-10-2008, 22:11
What? What's your reasoning for this stance? :confused:

Vault has a habit for arguing the extreme ends of a point of view. He's often quite good at it, so this could be an interesting debate to read.
German Nightmare
06-10-2008, 22:27
There are some really disturbing opinions about the inherent sexuality of the nudity of children in this thread.

I have any number of pictures of my kids nude...that's because my kids always like running around naked. Or mostly naked. Rubber boots have always been an essential clothing item.

I did the same thing when I was a kid. Oh what...it's better to force them to cover up and teach them to be ashamed of their bodies from day one, because there are sick fucks out there who might get turned on?

Yeah no...how about instead, I do what I do, which is let them be themselves in the privacy of their home? OMG sometimes I'm not completely dressed around my kids...someone lock me up!
You're the first person in this thread who's post - in my book - made sense.

I ran around naked when I was a kid, and there are pics and Super 8mm films of me doing so. They're harmless, funny, and bring back good childhood memories of me playing in the garden or taking a bath in a washtub.

To be honest, I really don't understand why many of you are so squeamish about nudity. Let the kids be what they are when they're small - it's bad enough that soon enough society will pressure them into being conform with its sometimes really fucked up standards.

Nudity is nothing to be ashamed of (or at least it shouldn't be!), and it's definitely not harmful.

Given that I wouldn't want my (future) kids pics in the hands of others, I'd take precautions when their handling is concerned. But seriously, where do you draw the line when it comes to the picture? When it's taken with the intend to hold onto a cherishable by taking a picture of your child, do so!

I for one am thankful for the many photo albums we have at home showing me grow up. Dressed or nude.

What's the next thing you'd consider bad? Being nude in front of your kids? Or taking a bath together with your kids? Getting dressed in front of your kids? Seriously!
SoWiBi
07-10-2008, 10:10
[...] there are[...] Super 8mm films of me [...].

Yay! Let's be old together ;P

What's the next thing you'd consider bad? [...]Or taking a bath together with your kids?
Actually, the last thread on this I remember had very rigorous stances on the taking-bathes-together (adult/child) even from the sane among us, so watch your rhetorical questions.

I mean, you'll have no trouble figuring out that I,personally, think such baths are quite normal, but you'll find support for this position to be rather rare around here.
German Nightmare
07-10-2008, 10:36
Yay! Let's be old together ;P
Hooray for wrinkles? And what's worse: My Dad had them transferred to DVD... Last Christmas had a tremendous potential for suprises... (But I'm glad that I got my own personal copy. The films did grow kinda old over the *gasp* 2+ decades)
Actually, the last thread on this I remember had very rigorous stances on the taking-bathes-together (adult/child) even from the sane among us, so watch your rhetorical questions.
I remember that thread, hehehe.
I mean, you'll have no trouble figuring out that I,personally, think such baths are quite normal, but you'll find support for this position to be rather rare around here.
I also remember those positions. Never understood them, though.
SoWiBi
07-10-2008, 12:36
And what's worse: My Dad had them transferred to DVD...
I hear you; my dad did the same a while ago. All tape films of whatever format, including the super-old ones, were transferred to "preserve them". With some, I'm glad; with others, I secretly hoped something'd go awry in the transfer.
Bottle
07-10-2008, 13:10
What's the next thing you'd consider bad? Being nude in front of your kids? Or taking a bath together with your kids? Getting dressed in front of your kids? Seriously!
I used to absolutely LOVE taking baths with mom or dad. So much so that my mom would have to wait until I was in bed to take her baths if she wanted to be able to relax and read a book in peace! :P

I was a lot less scared of puberty, and of male bodies, because my parents were so comfortable about their own bodies. It's not like we are all exhibitionists, but my parents didn't show any more shame over naked genitals and breasts than they did over naked arms and legs. They're just body parts and I grew up knowing there's nothing weird or wrong about having them.
Smunkeeville
07-10-2008, 17:42
I used to absolutely LOVE taking baths with mom or dad. So much so that my mom would have to wait until I was in bed to take her baths if she wanted to be able to relax and read a book in peace! :P

I was a lot less scared of puberty, and of male bodies, because my parents were so comfortable about their own bodies. It's not like we are all exhibitionists, but my parents didn't show any more shame over naked genitals and breasts than they did over naked arms and legs. They're just body parts and I grew up knowing there's nothing weird or wrong about having them.

It's not about being ashamed here, it's about body ownership. My children own their bodies. Being naked in our culture is being vulnerable. They choose when they run around naked (they choose to often) and they choose who gets to see their bums, they choose whether or not there are pictures of their bums......just like I do, because I own my body.

While I agree there are some people in this thread who have gone off the deep end. You have to realize that "OMG! NAKED IS TEH SEX!" isn't the only reason someone might not be keen on taking nude pictures of their children.
Bottle
07-10-2008, 17:55
It's not about being ashamed here, it's about body ownership. My children own their bodies. Being naked in our culture is being vulnerable.

In whose culture?

I mean, I'm American, have been my whole life, and Americans are just about the most paranoid, twitchy, nervous humans on earth when it comes to sex. So yeah, in "American" culture, naked = vulnerable.

But that was never the case in my home. My parents taught me to reject that aspect of mainstream culture, just like they taught me to reject many other harmful or unworthy aspects of culture. American culture might equate nudity with vulnerability, but MY culture doesn't do that, and I can't really understand why somebody would encourage their child to participate in such shaming culture.


They choose when they run around naked (they choose to often) and they choose who gets to see their bums, they choose whether or not there are pictures of their bums......just like I do, because I own my body.

If your kid is old enough to express those choices, fine. But there are baby pictures of me from long before I was capable of expressing any opinion about anything. If you really believe in body ownership then surely you don't think that ONLY applies when you child is nude. They own their bodies whether they are clothed or not, right? And you shouldn't take pictures of them without their consent, right? So obviously you have no baby pictures of your children from before they could express that consent, right?


While I agree there are some people in this thread who have gone off the deep end. You have to realize that "OMG! NAKED IS TEH SEX!" isn't the only reason someone might not be keen on taking nude pictures of their children.
To be fair, you appear to draw a completely arbitrary line when it comes to your stance on "body ownership."

If your infant had bare feet, did that stop you from taking their photo because it was up to them to decide who sees their bare feet? When you talk about "nudity," you mean uncovered buttocks and genitals, primarily, and possibly bare chests in the case of females. Well, why? Because those are "sex" parts.

Your own definitions of what is and is not appropriate to photograph are directly tied to sex and sex parts. You don't seem to have any problem with the idea of photographing a baby if it's clothed, yet you think there's "body ownership" issues which magically appear if the baby is nude. Same body, same child, yet apparently the kid's consent only matters if it's naked.
Smunkeeville
07-10-2008, 17:57
In whose culture?

I mean, I'm American, have been my whole life, and Americans are just about the most paranoid, twitchy, nervous humans on earth when it comes to sex. So yeah, in "American" culture, naked = vulnerable.

But that was never the case in my home. My parents taught me to reject that aspect of mainstream culture, just like they taught me to reject many other harmful or unworthy aspects of culture. American culture might equate nudity with vulnerability, but MY culture doesn't do that, and I can't really understand why somebody would encourage their child to participate in such shaming culture.


If your kid is old enough to express those choices, fine. But there are baby pictures of me from long before I was capable of expressing any opinion about anything. If you really believe in body ownership then surely you don't think that ONLY applies when you child is nude. They own their bodies whether they are clothed or not, right? And you shouldn't take pictures of them without their consent, right? So obviously you have no baby pictures of your children from before they could express that consent, right?


To be fair, you appear to draw a completely arbitrary line when it comes to your stance on "body ownership."

If your infant had bare feet, did that stop you from taking their photo because it was up to them to decide who sees their bare feet? When you talk about "nudity," you mean uncovered buttocks and genitals, primarily, and possibly bare chests in the case of females. Well, why? Because those are "sex" parts.

Your own definitions of what is and is not appropriate to photograph are directly tied to sex and sex parts. You don't seem to have any problem with the idea of photographing a baby if it's clothed, yet you think there's "body ownership" issues which magically appear if the baby is nude. Same body, same child, yet apparently the kid's consent only matters if it's naked.
*hands her children over to Bottle*

Obviously by not taking naked pictures of them I've ruined them for life.
Nanatsu no Tsuki
07-10-2008, 18:01
As with all else, it has to do with the eyes and mentality one approaches the subject. There´s nothing wrong with taking nude pics of your kids. Of course, if you´re a perv, then there may be a problem. I don´t know, that´s how I see it.
Vampire Knight Zero
07-10-2008, 18:02
Dirty minds, dirty thoughts.
Gothicbob
07-10-2008, 20:05
There are some really disturbing opinions about the inherent sexuality of the nudity of children in this thread.

I have any number of pictures of my kids nude...that's because my kids always like running around naked. Or mostly naked. Rubber boots have always been an essential clothing item.

I did the same thing when I was a kid. Oh what...it's better to force them to cover up and teach them to be ashamed of their bodies from day one, because there are sick fucks out there who might get turned on?

Yeah no...how about instead, I do what I do, which is let them be themselves in the privacy of their home? OMG sometimes I'm not completely dressed around my kids...someone lock me up!

This pretty much cover it
Dempublicents1
07-10-2008, 20:30
*sees no problem with pictures of children being children*

If you're staging naked pictures just to have naked pictures, that could be disturbing. If your kids are running around being cute and just happen to be naked, who cares?
Jello Biafra
07-10-2008, 22:12
I don't know that it is or isn't a good idea to take naked baby pictures, though it seems a little bit weird.
This may or may not be related to the fact that (many) people act differently when captured on film as opposed to when they are not.
Anti-Social Darwinism
07-10-2008, 22:17
I don't know that it is or isn't a good idea to take naked baby pictures, though it seems a little bit weird.
This may or may not be related to the fact that (many) people act differently when captured on film as opposed to when they are not.

Young children are the only people I know who could care less. They are who they are and cameras can't stop them.
Hachihyaku
08-10-2008, 21:25
Why are so many people on this thread so quick to sexualise being naked? There's nothing weird or creepy about taking pictures of your naked child, its just what parents do, hell taking pictures or a small video of some one in labour is creepier than that.

Whats weird is just how many people are quick to think that the pictures are instantly gonna be exploited or something.
Hachihyaku
08-10-2008, 21:28
I don't know that it is or isn't a good idea to take naked baby pictures, though it seems a little bit weird.
This may or may not be related to the fact that (many) people act differently when captured on film as opposed to when they are not.

Its only weird if you let it be weird, otherwise it'd just be like one the things a parent does.

I remember when my mums friend came around and they took a picture of him in the bath cause he was acting cute, nothing weird, no fanfare just a passing moment.
Riopo
08-10-2008, 21:34
Take pictures? You can't even touch them these days.
Hachihyaku
08-10-2008, 21:40
Take pictures? You can't even touch them these days.

That's cause our society is messed up.