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http://news.aol.com/elections/article/palin-once-blessed-against-witchcraft/187797?icid=200100397x1209794705x1200614698

I've always found Pentecostal Christianity mildly disturbing; this is no exception.

where is deep kimchee when we need him? (whatever his latest name is, i cant seem to remember it) he's a pentacostal. he could explain all this to us.

Heh, if Noriega is still alive, they could have a craziness-off!

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/palin-once-blessed-against-witchcraft/187797?icid=200100397x1209794705x1200614698
Well there's that plan out the window.

*Chucks spellbook over shoulder*

I guess she doesn't have to worry about being turned into a newt.

But she's not been blessed against sawn through light fixtures in the UN main hall at 4:00 PM next Thursday right?

where is deep kimchee when we need him? (whatever his latest name is, i cant seem to remember it) he's a pentacostal. he could explain all this to us.

He's been busy, after accidentally knocking up someone's daughter in Alaska and...

:eek2:

He's been busy, after accidentally knocking up someone's daughter in Alaska and...

:eek2:
lol

that would be so cool.

Hey, if they can believe in witches in poor african countries, why not America?

Well there's that plan out the window.

*Chucks spellbook over shoulder*

All the witches need to get together and put together a spell protecting us from her.

Dammit, my plans to curse Palin is foiled!

Seriously though, people (mainly fundie Christians) really do need to read up on Witchcraft and Wicca...this is just silly.

he could explain all this to us.

in tongues, even

I think we should test it against voodoo. *gets out book*

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/dummies.JPG

All the witches need to get together and put together a spell protecting us from her.
Somehow, Witchcraft suddenly seems like a rather good idea!

where is deep kimchee when we need him? (whatever his latest name is, i cant seem to remember it) he's a pentacostal. he could explain all this to us.

Hotwife is the last of the collective that I recall.

This explains why my curses have failed.

Laugh now, but the time may come when the enemies of America, whose ranks are filled with all those who hate Freedom, will march against us, and you should prayerfully consider the following:

America is Good.
Therefore, Enemies of America are Evil.
Evil forces generally have Evil magic users.
The spells of Evil magic users are generally resisted with a saving throw.
A Blessing, even from a cleric subject to menses, gives +2 to save against Evil magic.

So, I and the remainder of Christian America will have protection against Chinese funded Evil Magic Users, if only in a small statistical sense, whilst the rest of you will quickly find out that your 11th Level Law School Professor 3rd Level Senator Half-Elf Half-Negro gets no bonus against Evil magic users because he doesn't have the Skill Broad Absolutist Categorization and Moral Oversimplification.

QED, Satanists.

Eh. Just people digging up whatever they can on her. Who cares? If a minister or something offered to bless me for whatever I'd let him do it regardless of what I felt. No big deal really.

BTW, WITCHES FTW!

This explains why it's impossible for the Voodoo-Muslim-Radical Black Barack Obama to touch her without being thrown by an unseen force.

This explains why it's impossible for the Voodoo-Muslim-Radical Black Barack Obama to touch her without being thrown by an unseen force.


Or how TMZ couldn't get within 2 blocks of her but could get close enough to Biden to pick his nose.

This explains why it's impossible for the Voodoo-Muslim-Radical Black Barack Obama to touch her without being thrown by an unseen force.

When Palin's ticket gets elected, she'll gain enough experience points that instead of merely being thrown, blacks and/or Muslims will actually catch fire and take 2d8 damage for 1d6 rounds.

I think the real difficulty is, she will automatically Turn Undead any time she smiles, and McCain will be a full Lich by second term...

I guess she doesn't have to worry about being turned into a newt.

Or getting better....

When Palin's ticket gets elected, she'll gain enough experience points that instead of merely being thrown, blacks and/or Muslims will actually catch fire and take 2d8 damage for 1d6 rounds.

I think the real difficulty is, she will automatically Turn Undead any time she smiles, and McCain will be a full Lich by second term...

He's merely a demi-lich now? I'd have gone for Specter, but he retired.

Or getting better....

Hehee..."They dressed me up like this! A plausible running mate!"

"A bit, a bit..."



He's merely a demi-lich now? I'd have gone for Specter, but he retired.

Oh, man, how long until the Dick Army reference...


You, sir, are the super devil.

May I take this moment to suggest that taking "Spell Penetration" might be a good idea next level?

Hotwife is the last of the collective that I recall.
ya ya hotwife.

its so hard to keep track!

I just watched the video. Was it just his accent or did he bless her in the name of "Cheese-us"?

I just watched the video. Was it just his accent or did he bless her in the name of "Cheese-us"?
I believe that was the snack for the post-ca-ca-ca-carrrraziosity reception that day.

Anyway, I believe we should try to test these nuts' theory. I suggest that, wherever Ms. Palin goes, we need people there to cast hexes on her and see what happens.

Laugh now, but the time may come when the enemies of America, whose ranks are filled with all those who hate Freedom, will march against us, and you should prayerfully consider the following:

America is Good.
Therefore, Enemies of America are Evil.
Evil forces generally have Evil magic users.
The spells of Evil magic users are generally resisted with a saving throw.
A Blessing, even from a cleric subject to menses, gives +2 to save against Evil magic.

So, I and the remainder of Christian America will have protection against Chinese funded Evil Magic Users, if only in a small statistical sense, whilst the rest of you will quickly find out that your 11th Level Law School Professor 3rd Level Senator Half-Elf Half-Negro gets no bonus against Evil magic users because he doesn't have the Skill Broad Absolutist Categorization and Moral Oversimplification.

QED, Satanists.

I have the minor super powers, immunity to magic and immunity to psionics. :tongue:

Isn't this the type of thing you should keep under your hat? It's like saying, "I'm terrorist proof!" And then Osama Bin Laden sneaks up on you. Or, "I'm unsinkable!" And then an iceberg sneaks up on you.

he is a kenyan they belive in witch craft over there.

Isn't this the type of thing you should keep under your hat? It's like saying, "I'm terrorist proof!" And then Osama Bin Laden sneaks up on you. Or, "I'm unsinkable!" And then an iceberg sneaks up on you.

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist--"

May I take this moment to suggest that taking "Spell Penetration" might be a good idea next level?

NO NO eschew materials and combat casting are always better feats.

A lesser known benefit of this blessing is that it also protects her from the pox.

"A grainy YouTube video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from 'witchcraft' as she prepared to seek higher office."

If I were Palin, I'd welcome any protection that could be offered me, even from witchcraft. I don't think any kind of dirty tactic is beneath the Obama campaign; this is just a fringe benefit from an older blessing: the Obama campaign can now scratch witchcraft from its list of tricks to derail Palin. I'm sure he's got many more slimy tactics up his sleeve though.

Dammit, my plans to curse Palin is foiled!

Seriously though, people (mainly fundie Christians) really do need to read up on Witchcraft and Wicca...this is just silly.

Pagans can be equally as silly. I was hussled by at least 4 in the Phillipines.

Secondly logic should tell you that any religion has nutjob members.

He's merely a demi-lich now? I'd have gone for Specter, but he retired.

Demilich, for some bizarre reason, is the step above lich.

NO NO eschew materials and combat casting are always better feats.

Than Toughness. And...

Okay I can't think of anything else. I vaguely recall a feat that actually makes you worse, but I don't remember the name.

This stopped being a funny story about a wacky preacher and his blessing of a candidate. The wackjob who did the blessing is a witch hunter. In modern day Africa one can still be killed for being accused of Witchcraft.


http://www.csmonitor.com/1999/0923/p15s1.html (http://www.csmonitor.com/1999/0923/p15s1.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muthee
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Muthee)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1057181/Palin-African-pastor-friend-waged-witch-hunt-woman-believed-caused-car-crashes.html

I suspect that if we threw Palin in a pond she would float.

I suspect that if we threw Palin in a pond she would float.
Would she weigh the same as a duck?

I think we should test it against voodoo. *gets out book*

http://www.boomspeed.com/looonatic/dummies.JPG
*amasses chickens*
he is a kenyan they belive in witch craft over there.
That's really valid point actually. Not.

Would she weigh the same as a duck?

She certainly appears quite wooden

"A grainy YouTube video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from 'witchcraft' as she prepared to seek higher office."

If I were Palin, I'd welcome any protection that could be offered me, even from witchcraft. I don't think any kind of dirty tactic is beneath the Obama campaign; this is just a fringe benefit from an older blessing: the Obama campaign can now scratch witchcraft from its list of tricks to derail Palin. I'm sure he's got many more slimy tactics up his sleeve though.

This is either very sadly serious, or one really fucking dedicated troll.

"A grainy YouTube video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from 'witchcraft' as she prepared to seek higher office."

If I were Palin, I'd welcome any protection that could be offered me, even from witchcraft. I don't think any kind of dirty tactic is beneath the Obama campaign; this is just a fringe benefit from an older blessing: the Obama campaign can now scratch witchcraft from its list of tricks to derail Palin. I'm sure he's got many more slimy tactics up his sleeve though.

Oh, Nicea, that's truly endearing.

Newsflash: If I, an occultist, wanted to do something through what you call witchcraft (Good thing it's legal, innit? As I'd not harm her physically or anything.) to Palin, her little "protections" would be meaningless. I don't need to, however, and even if I wanted to I likely wouldn't try. Because Palin is worth more to me talking and being around to sink McCain from the inside than in any position some trick could put her in. I'm pretty sure just about anyone skilled in this area thinks the same. Unless, that is, Palin already GOT some little... treatment... and her current lack of any speaking abilities whatsoever is a result thereof. CF Katie Couric's interview.

She certainly appears quite wooden

ooooo . . .bad pun . . .. .ow!

ooooo . . .bad pun . . .. .ow!

The puns aren't working unless they hurt!

The puns aren't working unless they hurt!

lol so while palins protected from spells how bout my 5th level battle axe wielding barbarian huh?

lol so while palins protected from spells how bout my 5th level battle axe wielding barbarian huh?
Problem with that is that she's a ranger with a helicopter mount. You're going to need something a bit more inventive than a barbarian rage to get that high.

I recommend a dragoon. It might be a prestige class, but + modifiers against dragons must work here, right?

he is a kenyan they belive in witch craft over there.
Wait, didn't Obama have Kenyan roots, too? Does that mean Palin new in advance Obama was her opponent? Which means she is clearvoyant, thus a witch, and thus she needed some protection in case she would look into a mirror?

Problem with that is that she's a ranger with a helicopter mount. You're going to need something a bit more inventive than a barbarian rage to get that high.

I recommend a dragoon. It might be a prestige class, but + modifiers against dragons must work here, right?

*wheels out a pie catapult* It's been months since I've downed a helicopter!

Hmm, protected from withcraft, eh? So that'd mean wizardry and sorcery too, most likely... what about enhanced weapons or potions? Can't remember the D&D cursed potions off of the top of my head, but there was one that had the effect of leveling the user's intelligence to 2 or 3... come to think of it, Bush must have drunk that (what _hasn't_ he drunk, being an alcoholic-currently-sober-if-you-can-call-that-sober?)...

Darnit, I'll have to dig up the 'handbook' and check what kind of summons could be dropped on her. Or area spells, maybe? *goes to look for the book*

Problem with that is that she's a ranger with a helicopter mount. You're going to need something a bit more inventive than a barbarian rage to get that high.

I recommend a dragoon. It might be a prestige class, but + modifiers against dragons must work here, right?

Ring of jumping +20.

And a ring of feather fall on the other hand if you miss.

Remember America, you might find this funny, but she actually believes in this sort of thing!

*wheels out a pie catapult* It's been months since I've downed a helicopter!

"Watch for Clowns. They're all over the rooftops. They're in prayer, but not for much longer."

When Palin's ticket gets elected, she'll gain enough experience points that instead of merely being thrown, blacks and/or Muslims will actually catch fire and take 2d8 damage for 1d6 rounds.

I think the real difficulty is, she will automatically Turn Undead any time she smiles, and McCain will be a full Lich by second term...

*casts magic circle against Republicans*

"Watch for Clowns. They're all over the rooftops. They're in prayer, but not for much longer."

http://www.ultramicroscopic.com/images4/ClownHouseBig.jpg

"A grainy YouTube video surfaced Wednesday showing Sarah Palin being blessed in her hometown church three years ago by a Kenyan pastor who prayed for her protection from 'witchcraft' as she prepared to seek higher office."

If I were Palin, I'd welcome any protection that could be offered me, even from witchcraft. I don't think any kind of dirty tactic is beneath the Obama campaign; this is just a fringe benefit from an older blessing: the Obama campaign can now scratch witchcraft from its list of tricks to derail Palin. I'm sure he's got many more slimy tactics up his sleeve though.

Why would Obama need any tricks to derail Palin when shes so good at destroying herself?

Im suprised the McCain campaign hasnt cast "Silence" on her yet.

I say we throw McCain and Palin into a portable hole.


Making sure, of course, that one of them is carrying a bag of holding.

All the witches need to get together and put together a spell protecting us from her.
I have ~15Mm (15,000km) protecting me from her :p, though that may be enough, we may have to go to the moon. Or Mars.

So that's why NASA wants to go back to space...

She certainly appears quite wooden
What is the average air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Problem with that is that she's a ranger with a helicopter mount. You're going to need something a bit more inventive than a barbarian rage to get that high.

I recommend a dragoon. It might be a prestige class, but + modifiers against dragons must work here, right?

What about a Ring of Jump?

When JFK ran they said the Pope would run the US. He didn't.

I don't think strong Christian beliefs will hurt our country like (1) Socialism will, (2) like raising the capital gains tax AND most other taxes will, (3) like pulling out of Iraq too soon will

1-Take a good look at Canada's socialized medicine or Sweden's socialized medicine. If they get heart failure and need heart surgery OR Cancer - guess what they do? Come to the STATES to get prompt treatment as many die over there before they get their appointment for treatment. Also about 35 percent of their income goes for socialized medicine support. (Also in Sweden if they buy a new car they pay almost that amt again in taxes - that is why they come to the states and buy classic cars to avoid the taxes.)

2-Throughout history, from the Dynasty periods in China, through England in 1800s, the JFK tax cuts, Reagan tax cuts etc it is proven that tax cuts make economies boom. Ireland recently cut her capital gains tax from 38 to 12 percent and guess what in a relatively short time Ireland is the Fastest Growing Economy in the WORLD. But Obama wants to raise taxes and especially the capital gains tax - how smart is that?

3-If we pull out of Iraq as Obama wants - Al Queda and Iran will take it over and we will be RIGHT back over there - after we have already flushed down the toilet the soldier's lives that they laid down to free Iraq and protect your freedoms and rights in the US. Did you know they had to ORDER the troops not to SPIT on Obama. Guess that tells you what they think of him. Iran is going nuclear and it will get very nasty if we back down any more.

When JFK ran they said the Pope would run the US. He didn't.

I don't think strong Christian beliefs will hurt our country like (1) Socialism will, (2) like raising the capital gains tax AND most other taxes will, (3) like pulling out of Iraq too soon will

1-Take a good look at Canada's socialized medicine or Sweden's socialized medicine. If they get heart failure and need heart surgery OR Cancer - guess what they do? Come to the STATES to get prompt treatment as many die over there before they get their appointment for treatment. Also about 35 percent of their income goes for socialized medicine support. (Also in Sweden if they buy a new car they pay almost that amt again in taxes - that is why they come to the states and buy classic cars to avoid the taxes.)

2-Throughout history, from the Dynasty periods in China, through England in 1800s, the JFK tax cuts, Reagan tax cuts etc it is proven that tax cuts make economies boom. Ireland recently cut her capital gains tax from 38 to 12 percent and guess what in a relatively short time Ireland is the Fastest Growing Economy in the WORLD. But Obama wants to raise taxes and especially the capital gains tax - how smart is that?

3-If we pull out of Iraq as Obama wants - Al Queda and Iran will take it over and we will be RIGHT back over there - after we have already flushed down the toilet the soldier's lives that they laid down to free Iraq and protect your freedoms and rights in the US. Did you know they had to ORDER the troops not to SPIT on Obama. Guess that tells you what they think of him. Iran is going nuclear and it will get very nasty if we back down any more.

Baseless speculation and unsupported absurdities make scott a sad panda.

Oh, and Im going to ask for a source for all of these, but especially the bolded part of the third one, because Ill be amussed no matter what you come up with.

....1-Take a good look at Canada's socialized medicine or Sweden's socialized medicine. If they get heart failure and need heart surgery OR Cancer - guess what they do? Come to the STATES to get prompt treatment as many die over there before they get their appointment for treatment. ...

Yeah Sweden is almost totally depopulated because they all had to go to the US for treatment....care to provide some figures to support this tosh?

Snip.

You're wrong, and I don't have to discuss this further, due to it obviously being bullshit.

By the way, did you know Palin had sexual relations with a polar bear cub? Yeah, that's where the retarded one came from. He's not retarded, he's part polar bear. Did you know McCain is a pedophile?

I have as much proof of those assertions as you have of yours.

1-Take a good look at Canada's socialized medicine or Sweden's socialized medicine. If they get heart failure and need heart surgery OR Cancer - guess what they do? Come to the STATES to get prompt treatment as many die over there before they get their appointment for treatment.
lol wut :D
Also about 35 percent of their income goes for socialized medicine support. (Also in Sweden if they buy a new car they pay almost that amt again in taxes - that is why they come to the states and buy classic cars to avoid the taxes.)
Eh, no.
2-Throughout history, from the Dynasty periods in China, through England in 1800s, the JFK tax cuts, Reagan tax cuts etc it is proven that tax cuts make economies boom. Ireland recently cut her capital gains tax from 38 to 12 percent and guess what in a relatively short time Ireland is the Fastest Growing Economy in the WORLD. But Obama wants to raise taxes and especially the capital gains tax - how smart is that?
Ireland isn't the fastest growing economy in the world, it's in recession -_-

Ring of jumping +20.

And a ring of feather fall on the other hand if you miss.

That'll only get you an additional 5 feet of vertical height.

What is the average air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

African or European?

African or European?

I don't know that! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...

When JFK ran they said the Pope would run the US. He didn't.

I don't think strong Christian beliefs will hurt our country like (1) Socialism will, (2) like raising the capital gains tax AND most other taxes will, (3) like pulling out of Iraq too soon will

1-Take a good look at Canada's socialized medicine or Sweden's socialized medicine. If they get heart failure and need heart surgery OR Cancer - guess what they do? Come to the STATES to get prompt treatment as many die over there before they get their appointment for treatment. Also about 35 percent of their income goes for socialized medicine support. (Also in Sweden if they buy a new car they pay almost that amt again in taxes - that is why they come to the states and buy classic cars to avoid the taxes.)

2-Throughout history, from the Dynasty periods in China, through England in 1800s, the JFK tax cuts, Reagan tax cuts etc it is proven that tax cuts make economies boom. Ireland recently cut her capital gains tax from 38 to 12 percent and guess what in a relatively short time Ireland is the Fastest Growing Economy in the WORLD. But Obama wants to raise taxes and especially the capital gains tax - how smart is that?

3-If we pull out of Iraq as Obama wants - Al Queda and Iran will take it over and we will be RIGHT back over there - after we have already flushed down the toilet the soldier's lives that they laid down to free Iraq and protect your freedoms and rights in the US. Did you know they had to ORDER the troops not to SPIT on Obama. Guess that tells you what they think of him. Iran is going nuclear and it will get very nasty if we back down any more.

1. I live in canada . . .wanna bet? (actually mostly you get AMERICANS coming over the boarder for cheap meds and FREE healthcare (you know for the 80 something percent of the population that doesn't have good health coverage. (by good I meant comprehensive)

2. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR ECONOMY???? (also its been said before but Ireland=recession). Neo-con-christian bush = worst american markets since the great recession (and its trending that way) guess how they fixed that? increased social spending. Guess what bush cut . . .social spending. . .go figure.

3.because obviously Iran has the ability to construct the ICBMS that could reach the state . .. wait . . .they don't .. . um but they could threaten Isreal . . .if isreal didn't have nukes itself. . . . . Second Why in the hells would IRAN wanna step into the morass that is Iraq exactly. They'd get their, they'd run into the kurds and they involved in an even worse debacle than the Americans are. Also at no time did Obama say he wants to pull out right away. BOTH Obama and Mccain have said they wanna get out of Iraq but neither of them said right away.

4. please back up any of this . . .stuff . . . that you've been spewing.

I don't know that! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...

lmao :D
what is your favorite color?
blue . . .no RED! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh.

I'm glad to hear that Palin is safe from witches, but are witches safe from her?

To all involved: Yikes! 'Tis a long post ahead.

When JFK ran they said the Pope would run the US. He didn't.
EDIT: New bit. Source? Also there is a difference between a logical sounding human who happens to be a christian, and a radical christian.

EDIT: Whoops, completely mistook what you wrote, sorry. What I had written before: What? Not only does that mean anything (really; what does that have to do with the topic?) but the Pope of that time wouldn't have been be able be elected as he was a citizen of Italy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXIII (Pope John XXIII)

I don't think strong Christian beliefs will hurt our country like

Christian) Strong christianity (in the form of Radical Christianity) is already a problem in U.S.A, and has been for a while now.

(1) Socialism will

I fail to see how socialism would harm the people. You could argue if it socialistic methods were employed irrationally it would be a problem, though it couldn't be much worse than the irrational behaviours throughout the past 4-9 years (or past 30-38 years, depending on your outlook).

(2) like raising the capital gains tax AND most other taxes will
The problem with not increasing taxes would harm the country when it's currently spending money like there is no tomorrow.

Also half the problem with many of those taxes was that it promoted lobbying to get tax cuts for the wealthier groups, rather than promotions for investing it in long-term use (such as advanced power systems) and it didn't promote much consumption, which is usuall what is wanted in a consumerist economy.

Also, source about those taxes?

(3) like pulling out of Iraq too soon will
It depends on how the pull out is performed.

1-Take a good look at Canada's socialized medicine or Sweden's socialized medicine. If they get heart failure and need heart surgery OR Cancer - guess what they do? Come to the STATES to get prompt treatment as many die over there before they get their appointment for treatment.
Hmmm.....

While the United States often performs relatively well for this set of indicators, it is difficult to conclude that it is getting good value for its medical care dollar from these data. The huge difference in the amount the United States spends on health care compared with the other countries could very well be justified if the extra money provided extra benefits. Population surveys have shown that the extra spending is probably not buying better experiences with the health care system, with the exception of shorter waits for nonurgent surgery
I wonder if cancers and heart surgery are considered nonurgent surgery...

Oh, and as a comparison - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared#Cancer

Wow, U.S.A only has an advantage in breast and prostate cancer... If you take those out then Canada is on top ;).

Also about 35 percent of their income goes for socialized medicine support.
Source?

Oh wait, here are some - http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/FactSheet____15865.aspx]Financing
Costs for health and medical care amount to approximately 9 percent of Sweden’s gross domestic product (GDP), a figure that has remained fairly stable since the early 1980s. In 2005 care and services provided by the county councils, including the subsidization of pharmaceuticals, cost SEK 175 billion (USD 25.4 billion).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada[/URL]]Health care spending in Canada is projected to reach $160 billion, or 10.6% of GDP, in 2007. This is slightly above the average for OECD countries. In Canada, the various levels of government pay for about 70% of Canadians' health care costs

Lastly don't forget the main benefit of their systems is preventative medicine, that way they don't need to spend huge amounts of money curing a developed disease and the symptoms.

Yet again-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems_compared#Cancer

The reason why the U.S.A has a better record with some types of exams is because their is a huge amount of screening, an example of preventative medicine. Too bad they don't do more...

Sidenote (to anyone): Why is so much attention paid to breast and prostate cancer.

(Also in Sweden if they buy a new car they pay almost that amt again in taxes - that is why they come to the states and buy classic cars to avoid the taxes.)
Source? Hell, even U.S.A car part exports are only 160m (give or take 8m) euro.

Oh and as side note: Classic cars aren't new cars. Going to the U.S.A for a 'classic car' is due to it possessing a far larger amount of older vehicles, due to it having a much larger population, cars being widespread for longer and having a history of importing cars from pretty much all other countries (though many of those were in limited amounts, more for the car collectors than mainstream use).

2-Throughout history, from the Dynasty periods in China, through England in 1800s, the JFK tax cuts, Reagan tax cuts etc it is proven that tax cuts make economies boom.
Sources?

Also I'd like you to show:
-How an imperial economy was not simply a gift economy with servitude (also you might want to note that China has had some kind of dynasty in place for at least 3500 years)?

-How a Merchantilist (1800's England) economy doesn't have high taxes (you know, since tarriffs play a large role in Merchantilism).

-How both of those = Tax Cuts.

-How Kennedy's tax cuts inherently improved the system (I'd be inclined to think these were, as they were designed to promote consumer spending and investment).

-How Reagan's tax cuts boosted the economy when such factors as
________1) Funding becoming easier to obtain, and based more around the plan/idea, rather than knowing the right people.
________2) Oil prices decreasing.
________3) Keynesian effects due to increased government spending.
________4) Inflation being reduced, followed by an increase in available credit.

Also you know Russia during Stalin and the U.S.A during FDR boomed massively (using high taxes)...

Ireland recently cut her capital gains tax from 38 to 12 percent and guess what in a relatively short time Ireland is the Fastest Growing Economy in the WORLD.
You sure it wasn't also because the large amount of advice, not to mention aid, from the E.U?

A lot of it's boost was from housing as well.

But Obama wants to raise taxes and especially the capital gains tax - how smart is that?
Sources?

You're fooling yourself if you think the U.S.A can continue it's current spending and taxing practices.

3-If we pull out of Iraq as Obama wants - Al Queda and Iran will take it over and we will be RIGHT back over there
1) Iran already has a fair amount of power of the country. EDIT: The Iranian government likes to keep control through Iraqi groups/puppets, controlling directly would be too much of a problem (due to Kurdish and Sunni regions, not to mention the possiblity of a belligerent Saudi Arabia).

2) Al Qaeda isn't much of an organisation, even when it was in Afghanistan (more of a 'charity' giving funds to different groups and a little advice).

3) Al Qaeda has never taken over any country.

after we have already flushed down the toilet the soldier's lives that they laid down to free Iraq and protect your freedoms and rights in the US.
Ever heard of the Sunk Cost fallacy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Loss_aversion_and_the_sunk_cost_fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Loss_aversion_and_the_sunk_cost_fallacy)Colloquially, this is known as "throwing good money after bad".[6]


I think you'll find many of those lives being flushed away due to poor equipment choices by your military.

Also: They have been killed seeking to keep control of the country, so your government is pretty much swapping Iraq's internal control to external control.

How exactly did that protect the freedoms and rights in the U.S.A? It merely added another chain to the people (in the form of debt).

The damage that it has done to what non-U.S.A members think is also a huge problem.

Did you know they had to ORDER the troops not to SPIT on Obama. Guess that tells you what they think of him.
Source? Also, who is 'they'?

Iran is going nuclear and it will get very nasty if we back down any more.
Source for Iran definately trying to build a nuclear weapon?

Also half the reason why Iran would try to build such devices (if they were) would be as protection against the U.S.A (the reaction to North Korea's weapon really drove the point in).

About all the above: Google is your friend...

Problem with that is that she's a ranger with a helicopter mount. You're going to need something a bit more inventive than a barbarian rage to get that high.

In that case a QW-2 Vanguard II man-portable infrared guided surface to air missile might be more useful, yes.

To all involved: Yikes! 'Tis a long post ahead.


I applaud your stamina in cutting through that jungle of assertions. :wink:

I applaud your stamina in cutting through that jungle of assertions. :wink:
I get carried away at times. :p

In that case a QW-2 Vanguard II man-portable infrared guided surface to air missile might be more useful, yes.

Does that II mean +2? Is it made from cold iron?

Nope, the predecessor of that made-in-China weapon was called the QW-1 Vanguard, hence its name. You will not need to roll an additional D20 for the amount of damage. Just pull the trigger.

African or European?

I don't know that! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh...

How do you know so much about swallows?

How do you know so much about swallows?

Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

But dodging that arrest right after I answered that question is a story for another day...

I guess she doesn't have to worry about being turned into a newt.
She WAS!

...she got better....

She WAS!

...she got better....

Except for her skill in the English language...