NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20228488,00.html

I for one am shocked. What's next? Is Barack Obama going to confess he's black?!?

Now the reason why I'm posting this tripe is not due to some fascination with Clay Aiken nor with some fascination with gay celebrities.

What I'm fascinate with is that why, in 2008 does this appear on the cover of People Magazine? Do people really give a shit? I'm beginning to wonder if maybe part of the reason why some people make such a big deal about homosexuality is because some media and celebrities make such a big deal about it. I mean look at Elton John. He's gay. He's always been gay. Nobody gave a shit.

WHy are people so obsessed with sex? It's just sex.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20228488,00.html

I for one am shocked. What's next? Is Barack Obama going to confess he's black?!?

Now the reason why I'm posting this tripe is not due to some fascination with Clay Aiken nor with some fascination with gay celebrities.

What I'm fascinate with is that why, in 2008 does this appear on the cover of People Magazine? Do people really give a shit? I'm beginning to wonder if maybe part of the reason why some people make such a big deal about homosexuality is because some media and celebrities make such a big deal about it. I mean look at Elton John. He's gay. He's always been gay. Nobody gave a shit.

WHy are people so obsessed with sex? It's just sex.
Maybe if they spent less time thinking about it and more time doing it...

I agree. This is ridiculous. Clay is Gay. No kidding and so what?

On the other hand, considering how worshipped he is and by whom, maybe this will be good for gay rights. I've read about studies that show that bigotry is abandoned most quickly and most effectively when the prejudiced person spends a lot of time with the person they were prejudiced against (like at work, or in their Clay Aiken shrine).

WHy are people so obsessed with sex? It's just sex.

I think that's an interesting question, really. I think it most likely has to do with the fact that the mainstream sects of Christianity in the West have long taught that sex, especially if it is not for procreation, is something to hide away, or even be ashamed of. Many of these same sects, of course, teach that homosexual sex is especially shameful.

Hopefully, as the more sensible sects start to prevail over these others, this obsession with what people do with their genitals will start to die out.

Haha buttsecks. I think this sums everything up.

In other news, water is wet, the pope is Catholic, and according to latest reports, bears actually shit in the woods.

Also, if you take a quick look at his fanboards, then you see that yes, this is still An Issue.

What with the wringing of hands and tearing of hair, the praying that he'll at least stay abstinent, the whinging about being lied to (O RLY?), about how this is a saddest of days, how their whole lives are upturned and everything is different and so on.

Of course, that is the rather rabid kind of fan who is probably most disappointed that this means he definitely won't put his peen inside them, but still, yes, An Issue Of Importance.

I think that's an interesting question, really. I think it most likely has to do with the fact that the mainstream sects of Christianity in the West have long taught that sex, especially if it is not for procreation, is something to hide away, or even be ashamed of. Many of these same sects, of course, teach that homosexual sex is especially shameful.

Hopefully, as the more sensible sects start to prevail over these others, this obsession with what people do with their genitals will start to die out.

Lumping people into little categories based on who they like to boink makes as much sense to me as lumping them into little categories based on which invisible man they like to pray to. :p

First question

Who is Clay Aiken?

Second question

Yeah and?

Third question

Why are you reading People magazine LG?

Lumping people into little categories based on who they like to boink makes as much sense to me as lumping them into little categories based on which invisible man they like to pray to. :p

Yeah, I tend to care more about what they think their invisible man tells them they should tell me what to do or what to not do than what they think his name is.

Which is why I want the more sensible sects within any given religion to win out, they tend to not care what I do with another consenting adult. Hell, some of them may even like to be the other consenting adult. :D

First question

Who is Clay Aiken?

Clay Aiken is the runner-up of the second AMerican Idol contest. He lost to Ruben Studdard. That's why he's so worthy of the cover of People Magazine. ;)

Second question

Yeah and? He's a gay homosexual.

Third question

Why are you reading People magazine LG?

It was a link from CNN.com (People magazine must be owned by Time-Warner).

People magazine must be owned by Time-Warner.
Aye, Time Inc.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20228488,00.html

I for one am shocked. What's next? Is Barack Obama going to confess he's black?!?

I've actually heard that Barack Obama has a black baby! :eek2:



ya, ya....it's old, but I still think it's a funny joke.

Hopefully, as the more sensible sects start to prevail over these others, this obsession with what people do with their genitals will start to die out.
*Makes a reality show about genitalia*

He's a gay homosexual.
Like, totally gay. :p

He's a gay homosexual.

Please. You're not even telling the half of it. He's not just a gay homosexual -- he's one that likes to bang people who are the same sex as himself!!! :eek2:

And, seriously, how can this not be an earth-shaking, election-eclipsing, war-forgetting SHOCKER? Who, among all the ... um... several? ...who have seen Clay Aiken and heard him sing or talk would EVER have suspected that he might be a big gay homo what likes dudes? I mean, really. ;)

*Makes a reality show about genitalia*
It's called Big Brother.

It's called Big Brother.

Nah, that's about what people will do with genetalia and other objects. That, or just penis waving, but that is just like watching NASA.

Mine's called 'Harry Knobler's life'.

Clay Aiken is the runner-up of the second AMerican Idol contest. He lost to Ruben Studdard. That's why he's so worthy of the cover of People Magazine. ;)

Ah ok, so another nobody gets his 15 minutes of fame. That may be a bit harsh after all he was the runner up, unlike a certain Asian who didn't even make it to the final 12 somehow managed to get a recording contract. What the fuck is wrong with people?

He's a gay homosexual.

I will have to repeat my question, on this so what? Or is that your point LG?

It was a link from CNN.com (People magazine must be owned by Time-Warner).

Fair enough.

WHy are people so obsessed with sex? It's just sex.

I've been wondering this lately myself. Especially since I seem to be constantly subjected to a barrage of "OMG X slept with Y, isn't that the most interesting thing you ever heard" type of conversations in real life. And no, it's not the most interesting thing I every heard. Good for X and Y, but it's really none of my business who anyone sleeps with, other than people currently sleeping with me.

I will have to repeat my question, on this so what? Or is that your point LG?

That is exactly my point. :)

That is exactly my point. :)

Yay, I get on of LG's points.

Clay Aiken is the runner-up of the second AMerican Idol contest.No wonder I've never heard of him.

I was thinking Troy Aitken, is that even right, an American Football player, I thought it might be about him.

Media sells what sells, there was a nice article somewhere about the National Enquirer, I'd go find it but I really cannot be bothered, point being that some papers were specifically set up to exploit a gap in the market, people love reading about celebrities.

It's really up to us to buy and/or read quality news.

I was thinking Troy Aitken, is that even right, an American Football player, I thought it might be about him.

Media sells what sells, there was a nice article somewhere about the National Enquirer, I'd go find it but I really cannot be bothered, point being that some papers were specifically set up to exploit a gap in the market, people love reading about celebrities.

It's really up to us to buy and/or read quality news.Of course. No one is absolving the general public for it's part in the creation of this monster.

Clay Aiken is gay?! *tries to act surprised*

Ok, is anyone surprised by this, I mean honestly?

This is pretty much has the same effect when Liberace came out.

What with the wringing of hands and tearing of hair, the praying that he'll at least stay abstinent, the whinging about being lied to (O RLY?), about how this is a saddest of days, how their whole lives are upturned and everything is different and so on.



Cmon everyone, we all need to pray clay's gay away!

This is pretty much has the same effect when Liberace came out.
Liberace didn't come out, so that would have had a pretty big effect

Some celebs just want the extra 5 seconds of attention it gives them. Like Darren Hayes from Savage Garden, who actually came out twice because no one really said anything the first time. :p

Others have been hounded by the question for so long that they finally tell and want it over and done with. We haven't forgotten about you, Mike Piazza!

As for People--this is a magazine that devotes 20 pages to pictures of minor celebrities' children doing such extraordinary things as sitting in a stroller. If people want to know that much about celebs' lives, they definitely want to hear about who has the ghey.

Some celebs just want the extra 5 seconds of attention it gives them. Like Darren Hayes from Savage Garden, who actually came out twice because no one really said anything the first time. :p

Others have been hounded by the question for so long that they finally tell and want it over and done with. We haven't forgotten about you, Mike Piazza!


But what about Doogey Howser? Who saw that one coming?

But what about Doogey Howser? Who saw that one coming?

or Wil Wheaton. :p

But what about Doogey Howser? Who saw that one coming?NPH is gay? Why that's Dr. Horrible! D=

Some celebs just want the extra 5 seconds of attention it gives them. Like Darren Hayes from Savage Garden, who actually came out twice because no one really said anything the first time. :p
What? I missed that. Someone make him do it two more times so I can appreciate the effect. :D

Others have been hounded by the question for so long that they finally tell and want it over and done with. We haven't forgotten about you, Mike Piazza!
I forgot about him. Make him do it again, too, please.

But what about Doogey Howser? Who saw that one coming?
*half or more of all of humanity raises their hand* *the other half never saw any of his shows*

Next they'll come out and admit Kenny Chesney is doing is bass player.

*half or more of all of humanity raises their hand* *the other half never saw any of his shows*

Oh come on he was 16 at the time. What young man that age doesn't fantasize about sucking a little co....


....what?

And you owe me a TG :p

Nah, that's about what people will do with genetalia and other objects. That, or just penis waving, but that is just like watching NASA.


What's wrong with watching NASA? Space is awesome!

*half or more of all of humanity raises their hand* *the other half never saw any of his shows*

What about those that were to young to recognise he was gay?

Oh and Neo it is spelt Doogie

What's wrong with watching NASA? Space is awesome!
Haven't you noticed their attention they pay to the rockets? Lovingly raising, then fueling? Haven't you ever wondered why they focus a little too long on the things firing and how NASA technicians always have a look of ecstasy when the things launch?

Haven't you noticed their attention they pay to the rockets? Lovingly raising, then fueling? Haven't you ever wondered why they focus a little too long on the things firing and how NASA technicians always have a look of ecstasy when the things launch?

Ahh, reminds me of the first few minutes of Dr. Strangelove

I don't even know who Clay Aiken is.

Haven't you noticed their attention they pay to the rockets? Lovingly raising, then fueling? Haven't you ever wondered why they focus a little too long on the things firing and how NASA technicians always have a look of ecstasy when the things launch?

No. Because I haven't watched it. But,still space is just so awesome.

Oh come on he was 16 at the time. What young man that age doesn't fantasize about sucking a little co....


....what?

And you owe me a TG :p
Paid in full.

Hey, I know plenty of people who came out at 16. In many cases, as in this case, that's about when sexual orientation becomes apparent. And I do believe he's had shows since then, too. I've seen ads for them. Plenty of opportunity for observation.

What about those that were to young to recognise he was gay?
Kids pick up on these things.

Oh and Neo it is spelt Doogie
As if anyone cares.

Kids pick up on these things.

Well, I didn't could be with being about 4 or 5 at the time, maybe it took me a little longer to develop identifying these sort of signals.

As if anyone cares.

Hence why it is called a nitpick.

I don't even know who Clay Aiken is.
This is Clay Aiken:

http://celebpulp.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/clay_aiken.jpg

Is there anyone within the range of US pop culture dispensers that DIDN'T know this?

But what about Doogey Howser? Who saw that one coming?

Actually, that one was pretty obvious, too. Right up there with Kevin Spacey.

But what about Doogey Howser? Who saw that one coming?

No, It can't be. Didn't you see him in "Harold and Kuumar go to white castle". He's so not gay! :tongue:

Ahh, reminds me of the first few minutes of Dr. Strangelove
Dr. Strangelove was based on a NASA budget guide. THAT's how freaky they are.

No. Because I haven't watched it. But,still space is just so awesome.
Space is great, though NASA isn't in it for space (only the 'you can scream and no one will hear is favoured').

Paid in full.

right back atcha.

Is there anyone within the range of US pop culture dispensers that DIDN'T know this?
Well, let's just say, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

There's a certain kind of (apparently) heterosexual person who develops completely unrealistic infatuations with homosexuals, and the more obviously homosexual the person, the stronger the fixation seems to become and the more vehemently the "fan" will deny the fact. There used to be a word for such people, but by today's standards it is so grossly offensive, I won't post it. But I suspect some kind of pathology behind it -- if not an actual psychological issue, then maybe a problem of society of some kind.

He's a gay homosexual.

Isn't that kind of redundant? It's like saying someone's a dumb moron, a smart genius, a short midget, a tall giant, etc.

Isn't that kind of redundant? It's like saying someone's a dumb moron, a smart genius, a short midget, a tall giant, etc.

It's an amusing verbalism that some rather well known homophobes have actually said aloud. I threw it in as an attempt to inject a bit of silly into the phrase. *nod*

Sure you did ;). You just like revelling in redundancy.

Dr. Strangelove was based on a NASA budget guide. THAT's how freaky they are.

lol, yes I remember watching a doco on the movie and it was either Peter Sellers or someone else that was high up in the making of the movie, and the whole reason they placed that in was to get that desired effect.

Who's Clay Aiken?

Well, let's just say, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

There's a certain kind of (apparently) heterosexual person who develops completely unrealistic infatuations with homosexuals, and the more obviously homosexual the person, the stronger the fixation seems to become and the more vehemently the "fan" will deny the fact. There used to be a word for such people, but by today's standards it is so grossly offensive, I won't post it. But I suspect some kind of pathology behind it -- if not an actual psychological issue, then maybe a problem of society of some kind.

While I would like to know what the word is, I think it works the other way too, from observations with a few people I am acquainted with. Though I would say it is more a desire of one not wanting the image they have of a certain person to be changed regardless of reality, similar to some Stalinists refusing to believe that Stalin was a tyrant.

It's an amusing verbalism that some rather well known homophobes have actually said aloud. I threw it in as an attempt to inject a bit of silly into the phrase. *nod*

From LG (never), now there is something worthy to be on the front cover of People magazine.

Sure you did ;). You just like revelling in redundancy.

No he doesn't. He likes reveling in reiterative, superfluous, pleonastic, tautological duplications.

From LG (never), now there is something worthy to be on the front cover of People magazine.
You'd have to photo him first.

I have a question. Where do we find what the kind of country you have is defined? For instance, "Father knows best state," "left-wing utopia," or "inoffensive centrist democracy."
Appreciate any info on it. Thank you! :-)

Who's Clay Aiken?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14035405&postcount=41

Well, let's just say, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

There's a certain kind of (apparently) heterosexual person who develops completely unrealistic infatuations with homosexuals, and the more obviously homosexual the person, the stronger the fixation seems to become and the more vehemently the "fan" will deny the fact. There used to be a word for such people, but by today's standards it is so grossly offensive, I won't post it. But I suspect some kind of pathology behind it -- if not an actual psychological issue, then maybe a problem of society of some kind.

Well now I'm curious.

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?

Ahh I love ads on this forum...

While I would like to know what the word is, I think it works the other way too, from observations with a few people I am acquainted with. Though I would say it is more a desire of one not wanting the image they have of a certain person to be changed regardless of reality, similar to some Stalinists refusing to believe that Stalin was a tyrant.
Somehow I don't think that being sexually obsessed with gay people who don't want you is like being a Stalin apologist.

Or wait, maybe it is...

Anyway, I actually think it potentially has something to do with a sexual fantasy or fetish that runs afoul of homophobic social pressures and gets twisted into a vehement denial of the fantasy-object's gayness, even though that is what makes the person attractive to certain other people in the first place. I have no idea whether that made any sense at all.

Another manufactured pop star trying to cling on to fading fame.

What I find contemptible is that years ago when Diane Sawyer interviewed him and asked a question on the back then rumors of him being gay, he got all bitchy and snapped at her. Now he's admitting that he's gay and proud of it? Attention whore.

What do you call a closeted gay who reproduces?

A future Republican Senator.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14035405&postcount=41

Ah.

Another manufactured pop star trying to cling on to fading fame.

What I find contemptible is that years ago when Diane Sawyer interviewed him and asked a question on the back then rumors of him being gay, he got all bitchy and snapped at her. Now he's admitting that he's gay and proud of it? Attention whore.

What do you call a closeted gay who reproduces?

A future Republican Senator.

Zing!

Well now I'm curious.
I'll [edit: forum message] it to you. You might already know it if you're over 30 and/or move in certain social circles. It's double plus un-PC.

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?

Ahh I love ads on this forum...

Nope. I'm getting ads for UT3 servers and eligibility test for green cards

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?

Ahh I love ads on this forum...
All my ads are in one banner (that is repeated): 'Online Criminal Records, Search Police Records, Polic Records and 1 Flat Stomach Rule: Obey'... wtf?

Apparently Linsay Lohan is either bi-curious or a lesbian.


Hahaha, curious. I'm sure anyone with pictures will be paid more than handsomely... :p

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?

Ahh I love ads on this forum...
um

no im not

In response to Barringtonia's recently deleted post, that can't be right, because I get adverts for things like Remote controlled tanks.

In response to Barringtonia's recently deleted post, that can't be right, because I get adverts for things like Remote controlled tanks.

In either case, the joke was hilarious.

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?

Ahh I love ads on this forum...
I'm just getting "You have won a free laptop." I guess they don't have any question about whether I'm gay.

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?No. Is there something you want to tell us, Wilgrove?

I keep getting ads about broasted babies/genocide and losing stomach fat.

o.O

Did I mention that I was thin and I've not done any kind of search on genocide on this computer?

I'll [edit: forum message] it to you. You might already know it if you're over 30 and/or move in certain social circles. It's double plus un-PC.

That's what I was thinking of, but I had only encountered it beforehand as a synonym for beard, so I wasn't sure.

No he doesn't. He likes reveling in reiterative, superfluous, pleonastic, tautological duplications.

And mud. *nod*

What I'm fascinate with is that why, in 2008 does this appear on the cover of People Magazine? Do people really give a shit?Yes, people do.

I'm beginning to wonder if maybe part of the reason why some people make such a big deal about homosexuality is because some media and celebrities make such a big deal about it. I mean look at Elton John. He's gay. He's always been gay. Nobody gave a shit.Yes, they did.

What I find contemptible is that years ago when Diane Sawyer interviewed him and asked a question on the back then rumors of him being gay, he got all bitchy and snapped at her. Well sure, since it was none of her business.

Well sure, since it was none of her business.

And then he turns around and comes out of the closet in another interview and expects people to ooh and ahh over the miracle baby. Fucking hypocrisy.

And then he turns around and comes out of the closet in another interview and expects people to ooh and ahh over the miracle baby. Fucking hypocrisy.

So people don't have the right to decide for themselves where and when and with whom to discuss their personality?

Yes, people do.

Well I sure don't. :tongue:

Is anyone else getting the "Are you gay" ad?

Ahh I love ads on this forum...

I'm am getting the gayebonydating.com ads

Another manufactured pop star trying to cling on to fading fame.

What I find contemptible is that years ago when Diane Sawyer interviewed him and asked a question on the back then rumors of him being gay, he got all bitchy and snapped at her. Now he's admitting that he's gay and proud of it? Attention whore.

He was in the spotlight then, and he wasn't when he "came out" it keeps him in peoples minds.

I'm getting "HOLY WAR" with a display of nasty-looking weapons. Hmmm....

First Rosenbergs, now this? Yawn, what's next?

In response to Barringtonia's recently deleted post, that can't be right, because I get adverts for things like Remote controlled tanks.

So THAT'S what your into, kinky. :wink:

No. Is there something you want to tell us, Wilgrove?

Well, he did say he was different. Sorry, Wilgrove

Somehow I don't think that being sexually obsessed with gay people who don't want you is like being a Stalin apologist.

Or wait, maybe it is...

Anyway, I actually think it potentially has something to do with a sexual fantasy or fetish that runs afoul of homophobic social pressures and gets twisted into a vehement denial of the fantasy-object's gayness, even though that is what makes the person attractive to certain other people in the first place. I have no idea whether that made any sense at all.

Oh, you were talking about a sexual attraction rather than an idolisation, and a refusal to acknowledge any 'faults' a better word would be differences, that deviate from what the person has built up in their mind about a specific person.

No, it didn't make much sense, well a bit, your saying that they are attracted to them because they are gay and because they (the person who is attracted to this gay person) isn't refuses to believe it? But then that wouldn't work for same sex people, unless you were only talking about opposite sex people. Knowing the word might help.

That above if it is in line with, what you are saying is different to what I was thinking, especially when I mentioned people on the opposite side, and this is just from my experience, but I can say some. Some gay people I know I have encountered this, where they have had an idolisation/attracted to someone thinking they are gay, finding out that they are not but refuse to believe that they aren't. But that doesn't seem to be what you are saying.

Kathy Griffin is pissing herself right now.

I'm sorry...this was actually a question in people's minds?

I'm sorry...this was actually a question in people's minds?

His 14 year old fan base who wants to sleep with him even though that'll land his ass in jail and he'd have a boyfriend name "Bubbles".

Well I sure don't. :tongue:Heh. Well, unfortunately, it is an issue with a lot of people, and will continue to be so for the immediate future.

This thread is full of fail. Everybody knew he was gay a long time ago when he got caught doing a stripdance for a dude.

FYI, if you don't want others making a big deal outta something you shouldn't make a big deak outta it. Sometimes things only become a big deal when somebody makes it one. Remember that, if you don't make a big deal out of something the odds are nobody else will either. So Clay, for shame for making a big deal and a profit off of this. Nobody gives a shit.

This thread is full of fail. Everybody knew he was gay a long time ago when he got caught doing a stripdance for a dude.

How does that make you gay?

Another long-winded thread obcessing over an insecure uptight narcissist who just happens to be gay.

Gee, this sounds rather familiar.

Let it die people.

How does that make you gay?



It was willing and for free? And are you kidding me?

It was willing and for free? And are you kidding me?

Well I guess that makes me gay then.

Well I guess that makes me gay then.

Hey, it's only gay if the penises touch *nod*

Hey, it's only gay if the penises touch *nod*



It's only gay if you give it away.

I would like to complain about the idiocy of this thread, not only wasting my own time making this post but actually making the thread longer and more likely to continue. That is the reasonable thing to do.

I would like to complain about the idiocy of this thread, not only wasting my own time making this post but actually making the thread longer and more likely to continue. That is the reasonable thing to do.

I'll help.

Hey, it's only gay if the penises touch *nod*

Only each other?

I'll help.

Good. If we argue hard enough, maybe all of these losers will realize how silly it is to discuss such a topic on this forum.

Good. If we argue hard enough, maybe all of these losers will realize how silly it is to discuss such a topic on this forum.



Or you can get over it and not post in here? You are only bumping the thread you know.

Or you can get over it and not post in here? You are only bumping the thread you know.

That's the idea, if we keep this going pointlessly long enough, it will get locked by a mod instead of fade into the graveyard only to be dug up once again by some sick bastard.

Or you can get over it and not post in here? You are only bumping the thread you know.

That's ridiculous. How am I bumping the thread?

Or you can get over it and not post in here? You are only bumping the thread you know.

You did chuck your two cents in earlier.

That's the idea, if we keep this going pointlessly long enough, it will get locked by a mod instead of fade into the graveyard only to be dug up once again by some sick bastard.

No don't do that I am waiting for a serious reply from Murayvets when she logs back in.

No don't do that I am waiting for a serious reply from Murayvets when she logs back in.

I'm kidding; see the first post I made in this thread:
I would like to complain about the idiocy of this thread, not only wasting my own time making this post but actually making the thread longer and more likely to continue. That is the reasonable thing to do.

That's ridiculous. How am I bumping the thread?


By posting in it making it go to the top of the page? Just let the thread die, people will get bored of the topic and move on.

You did chuck your two cents in earlier.


Whats your point? :confused:

By posting in it making it go to the top of the page? Just let the thread die, people will get bored of the topic and move.
So you're saying that by continually posting, I'm actually allowing the thread to live longer? Well, that's certainly a theory.

I'll stop spamming now.

So you're saying that by continually posting, I'm actually allowing the thread to live longer? Well, that's certainly a theory.



BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER! *applause* :hail:

Oh, you were talking about a sexual attraction rather than an idolisation, and a refusal to acknowledge any 'faults' a better word would be differences, that deviate from what the person has built up in their mind about a specific person.

No, it didn't make much sense, well a bit, your saying that they are attracted to them because they are gay and because they (the person who is attracted to this gay person) isn't refuses to believe it? But then that wouldn't work for same sex people, unless you were only talking about opposite sex people. Knowing the word might help.

That above if it is in line with, what you are saying is different to what I was thinking, especially when I mentioned people on the opposite side, and this is just from my experience, but I can say some. Some gay people I know I have encountered this, where they have had an idolisation/attracted to someone thinking they are gay, finding out that they are not but refuse to believe that they aren't. But that doesn't seem to be what you are saying.
It's more like a person who knows (or at least is pretty certain) they themselves are NOT gay, but still being attracted to someone who is very obviously gay, or at least displays a sexuality VERY different from and not at all compatible with theirs. Like hetero women being infatuated with very effeminate gay men, or straight men being intensely focused on obviously lesbian women. I don't know how common this is among guys, but I've seen it quite frequently among women who have gotten involved with gay friends of mine. They become the uber-best-friends and even get involved in the guy's dating life (always for some reason disapproving of the boyfriends), and they can get quite jealous and possessive at times. It's very weird, and I have absolutely no idea what the driving fixation behind it is. I can't even guess at what it is that such people find so fascinating about the people they get fascinated with.

Clay Aiken is obviously gay. Even though he didn't want to come out before, he wasn't kidding anyone and I don't think he was really trying to kid anyone, especially. Yet there is a huge fanbase that would vehemently deny his gayness and now will feel betrayed by his acknowledgement of it, as if their personal fantasy has been ruined by reality.

These are different from the 14-year-old fans. Young teens often fixate on and get infatuated with people who have a kind of juvenile appearance themselves, and I tend to think most of Aiken's teeny-bopper fans are focused on his face and his voice more than his mannerisms or lifestyle. I'm talking about the adults who worship him, not the tweens/teens. The adult fans can get very weird.

No don't do that I am waiting for a serious reply from Murayvets when she logs back in.
I posted it. The thread can die now. :D

It's more like a person who knows (or at least is pretty certain) they themselves are NOT gay, but still being attracted to someone who is very obviously gay, or at least displays a sexuality VERY different from and not at all compatible with theirs. Like hetero women being infatuated with very effeminate gay men, or straight men being intensely focused on obviously lesbian women. I don't know how common this is among guys, but I've seen it quite frequently among women who have gotten involved with gay friends of mine. They become the uber-best-friends and even get involved in the guy's dating life (always for some reason disapproving of the boyfriends), and they can get quite jealous and possessive at times. It's very weird, and I have absolutely no idea what the driving fixation behind it is. I can't even guess at what it is that such people find so fascinating about the people they get fascinated with.

Clay Aiken is obviously gay. Even though he didn't want to come out before, he wasn't kidding anyone and I don't think he was really trying to kid anyone, especially. Yet there is a huge fanbase that would vehemently deny his gayness and now will feel betrayed by his acknowledgement of it, as if their personal fantasy has been ruined by reality.

These are different from the 14-year-old fans. Young teens often fixate on and get infatuated with people who have a kind of juvenile appearance themselves, and I tend to think most of Aiken's teeny-bopper fans are focused on his face and his voice more than his mannerisms or lifestyle. I'm talking about the adults who worship him, not the tweens/teens. The adult fans can get very weird.

Ah ok, I understand completely, yes I agree with you, I believe it may have something to do with the whole psyche of humans, that what you can't get they want more than if it is readily available (which is why guys who already have a girlfriend gets more attraction than those that don't because those that do they know will be harder to get, and how if a female plays hard to get then it gets the male more excited because he wants it), along with the mystery of wanting to know what it would be like, if that mystery is gone than the infatuation may slip.

I posted it. The thread can die now. :D

That it can :)

Ah ok, I understand completely, yes I agree with you, I believe it may have something to do with the whole psyche of humans, that what you can't get they want more than if it is readily available (which is why guys who already have a girlfriend gets more attraction than those that don't because those that do they know will be harder to get, and how if a female plays hard to get then it gets the male more excited because he wants it), along with the mystery of wanting to know what it would be like, if that mystery is gone than the infatuation may slip.
Yes, that's possible. I could think of at least three, maybe four, possible explanations, including this one of yours, but since I'm no psychologist, they'd probably all be bunk. :D Btw, check your messages.

OK, I'm done with this now. I'll bet Clay Aiken is ready to be done with it, too. ;)

I don't know how common this is among guys, but I've seen it quite frequently among women who have gotten involved with gay friends of mine. They become the uber-best-friends and even get involved in the guy's dating life (always for some reason disapproving of the boyfriends), and they can get quite jealous and possessive at times. It's very weird, and I have absolutely no idea what the driving fixation behind it is.

The derogatory term for this is fag-hags, girls who seem to address the lack of relationship in their own lives by having a pseudo-relationship with a gay friend, or group of friends.

Part of the problem is that these girls can be easy pickings for so-minded males, so their trust in normal relationships can plummet and so they seek further safety in the group, sometimes to dramatic results as intimated in your post.

I forgot about him. Make him do it again, too, please.

He hasn't actually admitted it yet, but if there's anything gayer than holding a press conference to tell the world you aren't gay, I don't know what it is.

I think the opposite is true. I think that Gay is Clay Aiken.

The derogatory term for this is fag-hags, girls who seem to address the lack of relationship in their own lives by having a pseudo-relationship with a gay friend, or group of friends.

Part of the problem is that these girls can be easy pickings for so-minded males, so their trust in normal relationships can plummet and so they seek further safety in the group, sometimes to dramatic results as intimated in your post.
Way to go, Barringtonia. I went to all that trouble to avoid posting that word and now here you come to destroy the mystery. Well, better you than me. :D

He hasn't actually admitted it yet, but if there's anything gayer than holding a press conference to tell the world you aren't gay, I don't know what it is.
"I did not have sex with that man."

Actually, that one was pretty obvious, too. Right up there with Kevin Spacey.

Did he finally admit it?

There's a certain kind of (apparently) heterosexual person who develops completely unrealistic infatuations with homosexuals, and the more obviously homosexual the person, the stronger the fixation seems to become and the more vehemently the "fan" will deny the fact. There used to be a word for such people, but by today's standards it is so grossly offensive, I won't post it. But I suspect some kind of pathology behind it -- if not an actual psychological issue, then maybe a problem of society of some kind.

All I can come up with is "faghag", but teh ghey is an integral factor, so I'm guessing that's not the one you mean.

Whats your point? :confused:

Whoooosh.

Did he finally admit it?



All I can come up with is "faghag", but teh ghey is an integral factor, so I'm guessing that's not the one you mean.
It is, now that you un-PC sensitive types have finally let it out of the bag. Remember the "hag" half of the deal is not the gay one. And actually, I've seen such people deny the gayness of the object of their affection, so although the existence of the teh ghey is an integral factor, accepting it is not necessarily part of the deal. (Trust me, there wasn't nobody who didn't know teh ghey was integral with Mr. Aiken.)

"I did not have sex with that man."

Piazza could do a charity baseball game with Mark Foley and Larry Craig on his team. And they're all switch hitters.

:D

It is, now that you un-PC sensitive types have finally let it out of the bag. Remember the "hag" half of the deal is not the gay one. And actually, I've seen such people deny the gayness of the object of their affection, so although the existence of the teh ghey is an integral factor, accepting it is not necessarily part of the deal.

Blame Margaret Cho.

Anyway, what if you're a perfectly healthily sexed individual in a stable relationship who still thinks it's hot when guys make out? I think it needs a different term.

I do know one person like the type you described, though. Very bizarre, indeed.

Piazza could do a charity baseball game with Mark Foley and Larry Craig on his team. And they're all switch hitters.

:D

I almost spit cornflakes. :p

He hasn't actually admitted it yet, but if there's anything gayer than holding a press conference to tell the world you aren't gay, I don't know what it is.

Doing that while doing a guy?

Blame Margaret Cho.

Anyway, what if you're a perfectly healthily sexed individual in a stable relationship who still thinks it's hot when guys make out? I think it needs a different term.

I do know one person like the type you described, though. Very bizarre, indeed.
I kind of think it's a different dynamic when heteros enjoy the sight/idea of two same-sex people making out. I'm not even entirely convinced that the sexual aspect of faghaggery is about actual, physical sex. But seriously, this is all that human sexuality/psychology stuff and it's so complicated -- I'm not going to sit here and act like I can explain anything about it. Sure, I have theories, but I'm pretty sure they're just crackpot junk. :D

I kind of think it's a different dynamic when heteros enjoy the sight/idea of two same-sex people making out. I'm not even entirely convinced that the sexual aspect of faghaggery is about actual, physical sex. But seriously, this is all that human sexuality/psychology stuff and it's so complicated -- I'm not going to sit here and act like I can explain anything about it. Sure, I have theories, but I'm pretty sure they're just crackpot junk. :D

For that you can blame Howard Stern.

Whoooosh.


And why did you feel the need to post that?

For that you can blame Howard Stern.
For what? My crackpot notions, or for guys liking it when girls kiss each other?

Damn, as wrong as my theories might be, I sure as hell hope they're not as dumb as anything Stern's ever said. He is the #1 reason I came to suspect that most American men don't know they're gay. (Not that they're denying it, but that they don't know it.) :D

By the way, it's a little known (or often denied) fact that many women like watching two guys make out, too. I believe humans evolved this kind of all-over-the-map sexuality as a defense mechanism that makes aliens afraid to invade. The space-folks might be able to handle a few hours of probing, but only occasionally and with one human at a time. More human exposure than that just freaks them out. Yep.

And why did you feel the need to post that?

Because it went straight over your head. You made a few comments on it yourself, and continued to post.

Unless of course you are trying to be funny.

For what? My crackpot notions, or for guys liking it when girls kiss each other?

Damn, as wrong as my theories might be, I sure as hell hope they're not as dumb as anything Stern's ever said. He is the #1 reason I came to suspect that most American men don't know they're gay. (Not that they're denying it, but that they don't know it.) :D

I have a half serious theory that all people are bisexual, they are just yet to see something of the same sex that is attractive to them.

By the way, it's a little known (or often denied) fact that many women like watching two guys make out, too. I believe humans evolved this kind of all-over-the-map sexuality as a defense mechanism that makes aliens afraid to invade. The space-folks might be able to handle a few hours of probing, but only occasionally and with one human at a time. More human exposure than that just freaks them out. Yep.

And because it turns girls on, it is one of the good reasons to do it, gets them in the sack with you. Part of the whole if I can't have it I want it more theory.

I have a half serious theory that all people are bisexual, they are just yet to see something of the same sex that is attractive to them.


And because it turns girls on, it is one of the good reasons to do it, gets them in the sack with you. Part of the whole if I can't have it I want it more theory.
The everyone is bisexual (or everyone is <anything>) type theory is not one of mine. However, I do think we'd all be better off if people stopped trying to force themselves and others into neat, little, defined, restricted cubbyholes.

For those who did not know that Clay Aiken was Gay,let me sell you some AIG Stock.

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..

The everyone is bisexual (or everyone is <anything>) type theory is not one of mine. However, I do think we'd all be better off if people stopped trying to force themselves and others into neat, little, defined, restricted cubbyholes.

Yeah, true as I say it is only half serious only half mucking around but it is fun to tell people who shall we say don't approve of the sex life of non-heteros, the look on their faces, and the whole no, no that's wrong speech they sputter out is quite amusing.

Because it went straight over your head. You made a few comments on it yourself, and continued to post.

Unless of course you are trying to be funny.



I don't know if you noticed but.......*whisper* I wasn't the one complaining about people posting in here. :wink:



I figured you meant that, I was going on failed hope you saw your error.

I don't know if you noticed but.......*whisper* I wasn't the one complaining about people posting in here. :wink:

I figured you meant that, I was going on failed hope you saw your error.

Well your posts implied that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14036912&postcount=91

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14036929&postcount=92

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14037051&postcount=103

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14037065&postcount=109

Now I didn't know if you were having a laugh with New Limacon or you were being serious.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20228488,00.html

I for one am shocked. What's next? Is Barack Obama going to confess he's black?!?

Now the reason why I'm posting this tripe is not due to some fascination with Clay Aiken nor with some fascination with gay celebrities.

What I'm fascinate with is that why, in 2008 does this appear on the cover of People Magazine? Do people really give a shit? I'm beginning to wonder if maybe part of the reason why some people make such a big deal about homosexuality is because some media and celebrities make such a big deal about it. I mean look at Elton John. He's gay. He's always been gay. Nobody gave a shit.

WHy are people so obsessed with sex? It's just sex.


Who is Clay Aiken and why is he important? Why is his sex life important?

Well your posts implied that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14036912&postcount=91

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14036929&postcount=92

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14037051&postcount=103

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14037065&postcount=109

Now I didn't know if you were having a laugh with New Limacon or you were being serious.


They implied nothing of the sort. Hell, the last two were giving advice to New Limacon. He complained about it and wanted it to die, I was just pointing out those things to him, I couldn't care less who posts in here.

They implied nothing of the sort. Hell, the last two were giving advice to New Limacon. He complained about it and wanted it to die, I was just pointing out those things to him, I couldn't care less who posts in here.

Well, yeah maybe.

The everyone is bisexual (or everyone is <anything>) type theory is not one of mine. However, I do think we'd all be better off if people stopped trying to force themselves and others into neat, little, defined, restricted cubbyholes.

Some people like being forced into restricted spaces ;).

FYI, if you don't want others making a big deal outta something you shouldn't make a big deak outta it. Sometimes things only become a big deal when somebody makes it one. Remember that, if you don't make a big deal out of something the odds are nobody else will either. So Clay, for shame for making a big deal and a profit off of this. Nobody gives a shit.If 'nobody gave a shit', then why did Diane Sawyer ask about it when she interviewed him a year or so ago, and why are people talking about it now?
People don't ask or talk about things they 'don't give a shit' about.

Who is Clay Aiken and why is he important? Why is his sex life important?

All excellent questions. *nod*

I think the opposite is true. I think that Gay is Clay Aiken.

An intriguing theory.

*Makes a reality show about genitalia*

It's called Big Brother.

I thought ALL reality shows were about genitalia.

All excellent questions. *nod*Only if they're rhetorical and aren't meant to be answered.

Only if they're rhetorical and aren't meant to be answered.

There are no rhetorical questions in NSG.

There are no rhetorical questions in NSG.There aren't? (Don't answer. It's rhetorical)

What I'm fascinate with is that why, in 2008 does this appear on the cover of People Magazine? Because People Magazine is written for idiots.

There aren't? (Don't answer. It's rhetorical)

Nope. (See?)

Nope. (See?)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/ulteriormotives/Youre-a-MONSTER.jpg

I thought ALL reality shows were about genitalia.
My show has nothing but genetalia.