Livni wins Kadima primary
Livni wins Israel party primary (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7620215.stm)
So, Israel may very well end up with a second female prime minister. I'd like to get a discussion going, but one that revolves around the political ramifications, Livni's chances for either forming a coalition or winning a general election, and your opinions on who should lead Israel. I'm trying to avoid a flame war.
I have liked Livni for a long time. She's clean, unlike Olmert, and she has a reputation for being blunt, even caustic, in her political dealings. Israel needs some of that as she tries to throw together a coalition.
Non Aligned States
19-09-2008, 16:12
She's not affiliated with the Likud is she?
She's not affiliated with the Likud is she?
She was originally Likud, but she went with Sharon when he founded Kadima in 2005. If she can't form a coalition, she'll be running against Netanyahu.
Forsakia
19-09-2008, 16:43
It's not original, and a joke only Brits will understand:
World leaders,
Israel : Tzipi
USA: George
UK: Bungle
Adunabar
19-09-2008, 16:44
EDIT: Just got it. lol.
It's not original, and a joke only Brits will understand:
World leaders,
Israel : Tzipi
USA: George
UK: Bungle
:confused:
Livni wins Israel party primary (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7620215.stm)
So, Israel may very well end up with a second female prime minister. I'd like to get a discussion going, but one that revolves around the political ramifications, Livni's chances for either forming a coalition or winning a general election, and your opinions on who should lead Israel. I'm trying to avoid a flame war.
I have liked Livni for a long time. She's clean, unlike Olmert, and she has a reputation for being blunt, even caustic, in her political dealings. Israel needs some of that as she tries to throw together a coalition.
Will she reign in the Israeli military and start recognizing and correcting some of the many faults and mistakes of Israel, or will she continue the policy of "Israel can do no wrong; it's all those dirty Palestinians"?
She was originally Likud, but she went with Sharon when he founded Kadima in 2005. If she can't form a coalition, she'll be running against Netanyahu.
Devil....Deep Blue Sea....
Lunatic Goofballs
19-09-2008, 18:47
Zippy?
I have a good feeling about her - I hope she can live up to my expectations :)
And be a part of the solution where the Israel - Palestine is concerned, and not a part of the problem...
Forsakia
19-09-2008, 21:46
:confused:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_(TV_series)
Collectivity
19-09-2008, 22:25
I hope that she is a force for peace and that she can establish a just and peaceful settlement with the Palestinians.
Baruch hashem! (G-d willing!) One day Israelis abroad will look as happy and relaxed as the did at the opening of the Olympics - without the need to be guarded by half the Chinese army that is.
Everyone dissed Olmert for corruption but he gained some relative peace in the last year. For that he should be remembered kindly. However, the negotiations that he undertook with anyone who would talk must continue.
I will rejoice when the only news we here of Israel and Palestine is on the sports pages. Speaking of which, in Australia, we have a mixed team of Israelis and Palestinians visiting. We need more of this.
Gauthier
19-09-2008, 22:43
Will she reign in the Israeli military and start recognizing and correcting some of the many faults and mistakes of Israel, or will she continue the policy of "Israel can do no wrong; it's all those dirty Palestinians"?
If she used to be Likud, it's sensible to assume she'll lean towards "Kill the sand ******s until they bow down or they're all dead."
Benevulon
19-09-2008, 23:21
If she used to be Likud, it's sensible to assume she'll lean towards "Kill the sand ******s until they bow down or they're all dead."
That makes so much sense, considering she joined a party founded by the person who went out of the Gaza strip.
Gauthier
20-09-2008, 00:54
That makes so much sense, considering she joined a party founded by the person who went out of the Gaza strip.
And went to the Temple Mound don't forget.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_(TV_series)
Oooooh.
Benevulon
20-09-2008, 09:59
And went to the Temple Mound don't forget.
I think that 'went to the Temple Mound' is closer to saying 'I'm an inconsiderate idiot with no sense for tact' than 'I want to kill all the towel-heads, or at least throw them to the sea and let the currents do the work for me'.
I think that 'went to the Temple Mound' is closer to saying 'I'm an inconsiderate idiot with no sense for tact' than 'I want to kill all the towel-heads, or at least throw them to the sea and let the currents do the work for me'.
Well, possibly. But it is Ariel "bulldozer" "Unit 101" Sharon we're talking about, so I think presuming the worst isn't entirely uncalled for.
Benevulon
20-09-2008, 10:50
Well, possibly. But it is Ariel "bulldozer" "Unit 101" Sharon we're talking about, so I think presuming the worst isn't entirely uncalled for.
Of course. People never change their mind on anything. He probably went out of the Gaza Strip so that he could blow it up. If he had time to pull out of the West Bank, the Palestinians would be doomed!
Of course. People never change their mind on anything. He probably went out of the Gaza Strip so that he could blow it up.
It was actually because taking 30,000 troops to guard around 6,000 settlers was completely unviable and just not worth it strategically. By withdrawing he gave the impression of Israel having the moral high ground without actually having to negotiate with the Palestinians, and freed up resources to concentrate on the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. Gaza, having its resources and borders controlled by Israel, is just a more spacious open air prison that it was before. Very clever plan, whoever came up with it.
Benevulon
20-09-2008, 13:30
It was actually because taking 30,000 troops to guard around 6,000 settlers was completely unviable and just not worth it strategically. By withdrawing he gave the impression of Israel having the moral high ground without actually having to negotiate with the Palestinians, and freed up resources to concentrate on the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem. Gaza, having its resources and borders controlled by Israel, is just a more spacious open air prison that it was before. Very clever plan, whoever came up with it.
I'll just have to hope that you're wrong.
By the way, I never really knew that Eastern Jerusalem was populated entirely by Arabs who don't even want to be Israelis until a few months ago when I talked about it with my mother. It really sucks that things like that happen.
I'll just have to hope that you're wrong..
As hes now in a permanent vegetative state, I don't think he's going to enligten us personally. His advisor was sure of it though....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3720176.stm
By the way, I never really knew that Eastern Jerusalem was populated entirely by Arabs who don't even want to be Israelis until a few months ago when I talked about it with my mother. It really sucks that things like that happen.
Well theres settlers there now too....They have stepped up efforts to get the Arabs out. If they leave the city, they run the risk of having their permits revoked, and ending up in either the West Bank or Gaza....then theres the discrimination re planning..surrounding the area with settlements. Its not ethnic cleansing by dragging people out and shooting them, but its not pleasant, by any means.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/25/israel.foreignpolicy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6658799.stm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/824151.html
Not being an optimist I don't see this stopping any time soon....
Collectivity
21-09-2008, 12:18
I've just seen "Waltz with Bashir". It was very confronting (an Israeli filmmaker who cannot remember a thing about the Lebanon War in the 80's , tries to remember by chasing up old comrades). A very good film.
A few weeks ago I saw "The Band's visit" - an excellent film (very bitter-sweet)
The Israeli film industry is having a golden time at the moment - powerful and personal movies.
Benevulon
21-09-2008, 13:31
As hes now in a permanent vegetative state, I don't think he's going to enligten us personally. His advisor was sure of it though....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3720176.stm
Well theres settlers there now too....They have stepped up efforts to get the Arabs out. If they leave the city, they run the risk of having their permits revoked, and ending up in either the West Bank or Gaza....then theres the discrimination re planning..surrounding the area with settlements. Its not ethnic cleansing by dragging people out and shooting them, but its not pleasant, by any means.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/25/israel.foreignpolicy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6658799.stm
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/824151.html
Not being an optimist I don't see this stopping any time soon....
That's very disturbing. Seems like I'll really want to look carefully at the different parties and hopefully find one that's trying to work against all this.
That's very disturbing. Seems like I'll really want to look carefully at the different parties and hopefully find one that's trying to work against all this.
Indeed:)