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Well the hurricane took out power for 1 week.
after day 2 me and my friends ate all my meat (it was frozen and we didn't think it would last longer)
I had plenty of canned veggies spaghetti and the like that didn't require refrigeration. I have a propane camping stove as well so for food and cooking, I am fine. just only problem is I don't have meat.

Now for those who don't know my body requires meat. I stop eating it then i get stomach aches, bloating, gas, and I get really fidgety.(similar feeling to the few times i couldn't eat for a day or two).

around Day 5 I suddenly remember I have canned salmon. I had bought several cans a year ago when they were on sale for 25 cents a can. I had eaten one can and found out why they were selling them at 25 cents a can. They taste horrendous. Sort of like a pickled fish. with relish me and my friends tear into the cans. I am sort of a hero in that I had put meat back on the menu. still have a few cans left though power is back the stores don't have meat yet. but I got work and I think my boss had meat delivered from Houston.


So anyways my question. Has there ever been a time you ate something you wouldn't normally touch due to need? for me Canned salmon.

Canned Salmon, someone hasn't seen the Monty Python sketch.

-snip-
Salmon in cans?

That's sacreligious. Sacreligious, I tell you!

Though sacrelige to save a starving carnivore is perfectly acceptable in my books. :)

Canned Salmon, someone hasn't seen the Monty Python sketch.

Damn you beat me to it :p but for everyones enjoyment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBTsMJ4jNk

after day 2 me and my friends ate all my meat (it was frozen and we didn't think it would last longer)
You can store meat for 2 days after it has reached the freezing point. Longer is possible, but not always advisable. Cooking, then storing cooked food extends the time to a week.


just only problem is I don't have meat.
Now for those who don't know my body requires meat. I stop eating it then i get stomach aches, bloating, gas, and I get really fidgety.
Some specific medical condition?

(similar feeling to the few times i couldn't eat for a day or two).
Hmm, I went without food for more than three or four days, and it wasn't that bad.

around Day 5 I suddenly remember I have canned salmon. I had bought several cans a year ago when they were on sale for 25 cents a can. I had eaten one can and found out why they were selling them at 25 cents a can. They taste horrendous.
Of course, what do you expect for 25 cents....


So anyways my question. Has there ever been a time you ate something you wouldn't normally touch due to need? for me Canned salmon.
Salmon should never be canned, it turns from a delicacy into a rough and tasteless perma-storable nutrient package.

Also, canned salmon -> see The Meaning Of Life.

Hmm, I went without food for more than three or four days, and it wasn't that bad.

Indeed. I only did 2 1/2 days in the New Mexico high desert w/ only water, but after the first 24 hours it wasn't a biggie. I could have done several more days.

Salmon should never be canned, it turns from a delicacy into a rough and tasteless perma-storable nutrient package.

Fish in general should either be fresh or smoked, never canned. Canning is bad for most foods, but fish especially. Canned tuna is an abomination, and canned salmon, beyond the pale.

The bestest and freshest fish I ever had was a salmon out of the Kenai river in Alaska in late June 1986. It was grilled over an open fire in butter and lemon, time between the river and plate was under 20 minutes.

Not just canned salmon, but year old canned salmon. No wonder it tasted vile.

There are ways to disguise the unpleasantness in "fresh" canned salmon, but old canned salmon can't be saved. It should have been discarded - for health reasons, if for no other.

See the link for information on the shelf life of canned food.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/452010.html

N[...] old canned salmon can't be saved. It should have been discarded - for health reasons, if for no other.

Your own link disagrees with you; it says:

Low-acid canned foods, like fish, meats and most vegetables and fruits, will keep in the pantry for two to five years.

A year shouldn't be problematic (as long as the can was intact)

Indeed. I only did 2 1/2 days in the New Mexico high desert w/ only water, but after the first 24 hours it wasn't a biggie. I could have done several more days.
Yeah, an untrained human body is generally good for a week without food, for moderate activity, with moderate capability loss, and without any permanent damage. It only gets problematic if going further or with heavy activity.
(Trained, more.)


Fish in general should either be fresh or smoked, never canned. Canning is bad for most foods, but fish especially. Canned tuna is an abomination, and canned salmon, beyond the pale.
Well, "never" might be an overstatement... Some fish is better canned than fresh. Of course, that's when it was barely edible initially - canning takes the taste out of the food (for meat and fish).

Though I personally prefer salmon salted, but white fish indeed has to be smoked or grilled.

Not just canned salmon, but year old canned salmon.
Generally, unless the can was stored with severe violation of the conditions, you can safely at least double whatever shelf life it says on the package. FDA always imposes a high safety margin.
And these conditions are hard to violate, say, a lot of canned foods require to be stored under 80 or even under 100 - and human-optimal temperature is just 60. You'd have to store the cans in a greenhouse in California to get them spoiled within their shelf life.
If stored in a cellar, at about 50 degrees, canned foods are safe for 4-5 times their stated shelf life. Above that, someone should try the food first before consumption by the entire unit; if in a few hours there's no symptoms, it's safe.
An exception is non-dangerous, but high-acid foods, as their shelf life is limited by reaction with the internal coating of the can. Their safety margin is lower than for dangerous foods, and so it's 1.5-2 times stated shelf life normally, 3 times if stored in a cellar.

Even though it seems to be a food group all its own in Hawaii, I would never eat Spam until it was the last can of meat on earth.

Bring on the chittlin's. At least we know what those are.

You can store meat for 2 days after it has reached the freezing point. Longer is possible, but not always advisable. Cooking, then storing cooked food extends the time to a week.

I didn't cook it before hand and I used it up in the 2 days recommended.


Some specific medical condition?

likely don't see the point in seeing a doctor to tell me I need to eat meat.



Hmm, I went without food for more than three or four days, and it wasn't that bad.
please allow me to elaborate when I went without food I was involved in vigorous activity such as running a survival course in the Rockies.
Or chopping fire wood trying to keep a crummy cabin warm. I am not a the type of person to perform a fast I choose to eat daily and the times I have not been able to I have not had the luxury to slow down and take it easy.


Of course, what do you expect for 25 cents....



food.

Eh greed and death is a cool guy, eating terrible food and doesn't afraid of anything.

My mom used to have that from time to time... you just prepare it the same way you would a tuna salad sandwich.

My mom used to have that from time to time... you just prepare it the same way you would a tuna salad sandwich.
Aye, it's usually a pretty alright sandwich, if you put a little lemon juice and black pepper into the mix as well as a little mayo, on rye bread with some lettuce. Mmmm...

I can't say I have, I haven't been in such dire need to each something I really don't wanna eat.

Eh greed and death is a cool guy, eating terrible food and doesn't afraid of anything.
No,
just in the military under Clinton.

I eat some odd stuff for financial reasons, but nothing disgusting. I eat pig corn and raw oats and things like that, but there are always ways to make things like that more palatable. Canned food is very expensive - I stay away from it, aside from beans.

I eat some odd stuff for financial reasons, but nothing disgusting. I eat pig corn and raw oats and things like that, but there are always ways to make things like that more palatable. Canned food is very expensive - I stay away from it, aside from beans.

canned food is expensive ?!?!?! Ive never paid more then 25 cents per serving for canned food.

canned food is expensive ?!?!?! Ive never paid more then 25 cents per serving for canned food.

A can of soup costs between $1-3 here. Wal-Mart brand pork and beans costs $0.44 per can, which is about as good a price as you'll find. Corn, on the other hand, costs about $9.00 for a 50-pound sack (a six-month supply for an average person). The difference is plain to see. :tongue:

canned food is expensive ?!?!?! Ive never paid more then 25 cents per serving for canned food.

25 cents a can!!! How big are these cans? Bite size or something.

Not that I buy cans much maybe canned tuna for sandwiches but that is about it, all vegetables (except for crushed tomatoes for pasta sauce purposes only) I never buy, my grandmother would buy them and I hated eating dinner there sometimes as it was out of a can the taste is to unbearable I want fresh vegetables.

25 cents a can!!! How big are these cans? Bite size or something.

Not that I buy cans much maybe canned tuna for sandwiches but that is about it, all vegetables (except for crushed tomatoes for pasta sauce purposes only) I never buy, my grandmother would buy them and I hated eating dinner there sometimes as it was out of a can the taste is to unbearable I want fresh vegetables.

Not per Can Per serving. about 9 oz for vegetables. I buy the big cans with 6 or more servings in them. you save when you buy at least somewhat in bulk. Most Walmarts even break down cost per ounce on the price for you.

My problem with canned salmon is the millions of tiny vertebrae in them. Oh, and that I'm no fan of fresh salmon, either.

I would have to be very, Very, VERY hungry to eat spam, or lima beans, or beets.

Starving to eat all three at the same time.

canned food is expensive ?!?!?! Ive never paid more then 25 cents per serving for canned food.
Maybe that's the problem?

likely don't see the point in seeing a doctor to tell me I need to eat meat.
Just looks unusual. It often happens that a person has issues digesting either animal or plant food, but problems after just 1-2 days, that looks like something pretty serious. Well, looks to me, IANAD.

Didn't your Tricare look into it? They usually offer free treatment for any problematic conditions.



please allow me to elaborate when I went without food I was involved in vigorous activity such as running a survival course in the Rockies.
Or chopping fire wood trying to keep a crummy cabin warm. I am not a the type of person to perform a fast I choose to eat daily and the times I have not been able to I have not had the luxury to slow down and take it easy.
TBH, it's not like I practice fasting either (more than a day, at least). The longest I went without food was sailing around the lakes with a few friends. We didn't exactly estimate well how much food we needed, and overestimated big time how much can be catched. So for about a week we had to go with virtually no food.

Just looks unusual. It often happens that a person has issues digesting either animal or plant food, but problems after just 1-2 days, that looks like something pretty serious. Well, looks to me, IANAD.

Didn't your Tricare look into it? They usually offer free treatment for any problematic conditions.
I am not a retiree and I think in 6 years service I went to sick call a number of times I could count on one hand. and 3 times were to get wisdom teeth pulled
getting dizzy when not eating for one to two days ? or for not eating meat ?
the not eating Dizzy was because I was being an over worked team chief in the field. Drove around between two sites trying to make them work and just didn't have time to eat/sleep until I got really weird. It was my first time in charge my E-7 showed up told me if i didn't take care of myself Id be useless then made me eat and sleep.

Not eating meat. I read somewhere that that 10-15% of the population has a slightly shorter intestine and high fiber diets pose difficulty. Or it just might have been the sudden change in diet. Never really had time to think about it. Not worth driving an hour away to get the Va hospital to look into it either.



TBH, it's not like I practice fasting either (more than a day, at least). The longest I went without food was sailing around the lakes with a few friends. We didn't exactly estimate well how much food we needed, and overestimated big time how much can be catched. So for about a week we had to go with virtually no food.

lol. i can imagine you sitting around the lakes and every time you catch a fish you and your friends fighting over it.

Not per Can Per serving. about 9 oz for vegetables. I buy the big cans with 6 or more servings in them. you save when you buy at least somewhat in bulk. Most Walmarts even break down cost per ounce on the price for you.

Oh, ok well maybe that sounds like a price you might expect to pay for. Yeah we don't get the price weighted, only meat and fresh vegetables. Through the government is looking at making it compulsory for all food items, something about making it easier for consumers to be able to see which may be true, but it is a way for our government to do their usual and play tabloid politics.