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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_4GfAsKvGU

Perhaps there IS hope, after all. When you get more than 20 people together in Anchorage, it's a fairly big deal. Here's a textual account that was emailed to me today. It actually made me feel better...slightly.

I'm supposed to have a question or a point for debate, and all I can think of is "Thank God someone's standing up" and "YAY ALASKA!"

(The) Alaska Women Reject Palin. Rally was to be held outside on the lawn in front of the Loussac Library in midtown Anchorage . Home made signs were encouraged, and the idea was to make a statement that Sarah Palin does not speak for all Alaska women, or men. I had no idea what to expect.

The rally was organized by a small group of women, talking over coffee. It made me wonder what other things have started with small groups of women talking over coffee. It's probably an impressive list. These women hatched the plan, printed up flyers, posted them around town, and sent notices to local media outlets. One of those media outlets was KBYR radio, home of Eddie Burke, a long-time uber-conservative Anchorage talk show host. Turns out that Eddie Burke not only announced the rally, but called the people who planned to attend the rally "a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots," and read the home phone numbers of the organizers aloud over the air, urging listeners to call and tell them what they thought. The women, of course, received some nasty, harassing and threatening messages.

I felt a bit apprehensive. I'd been disappointed before by the turnout at other rallies. Basically, in Anchorage , if you can get 25 people to show up at an event, it's a success. So, I thought to myself, if we can actually get 100 people there that aren't sent by Eddie Burke, we'll be doing good. A real statement will have been made. I confess, I still had a mental image of 15 demonstrators surrounded by hundreds of menacing "socialist baby-killing maggot" haters.

It's a good thing I wasn't tailgating when I saw the crowd in front of the library or I would have ended up in somebody's trunk. When I got there, about 20 minutes early, the line of sign wavers stretched the full length of the library grounds, along the edge of the road, 6 or 7 people deep! I could hardly find a place to park. I nabbed one of the last spots in the library lot, and as I got out of the car and started walking, people seemed to join in from every direction, carrying signs.

Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by. And even those that didn't honk looked wide-eyed and awe-struck at the huge crowd that was growing by the minute .This just doesn't happen here.

Then, the infamous Eddie Burke showed up. He tried to talk to the media, and was instantly surrounded by a group of 20 people who started shouting O-BA-MA so loud he couldn't be heard. Then passing cars started honking in a rhythmic pattern of 3, like the Obama chant, while the crowd cheered, hooted and waved their signs high.

So, if you've been doing the math… Yes. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was significantly bigger than Palin's rally that got all the national media coverage! So take heart, sit back, and enjoy the photo gallery. Feel free to spread the pictures around to anyone who needs to know that Sarah Palin most definitely does not speak for all Alaskans. The citizens of Alaska , who know her best, have things to say.

The email I got had photos, but I couldn't link them from Web mail. I'm sure a Google search will show you some of the more creative signs. One of my favorites was "GOD'S WILL is NOT a FOREIGN POLICY!"

Clearly they're sexist.

Wow, yet another anti-Palin thread. You liberals must really be starting to get scared of the McCain-Palin powerhouse.
Next thing we know, liberals will resort to using Watergate-style tactics to gain felonious access to her personal records and then illegally distributing them to the public...
Whoops, too late! Looks like the liberals sink lower faster than I can anticipate the depths of their depravity.

Clearly they're sexist.

And they hate America.

Wow, yet another anti-Palin thread. You liberals must really be starting to get scared of the McCain-Palin powerhouse.
Next thing we know, liberals will resort to using Watergate-style tactics to gain felonious access to her personal records and then illegally distributing them to the public...
Whoops, too late! Looks like the liberals sink lower faster than I can anticipate the depths of their depravity.

You do remember that Watergate was pulled off in the name of Richard Nixon, a Republican incumbent President right?

You do remember that Watergate was pulled off in the name of Richard Nixon, a Republican incumbent President right?

Yes. So you liberals have now resorted to emulating the actions of the most despised opposition-party president in American history in order to dig up some dirt on the newest target for your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Nicely done.

Yes. So you liberals have now resorted to emulating the actions of the most despised opposition-party president in American history in order to dig up some dirt on the newest target for your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Nicely done.

Not that I expect a reasoned response, but WTF are you talking about? :confused:

And please don't tell me you are going to compare what some hacker did with Palin's e-mails on Yahoo to the Watergate conspiracies!! :headbang:

Not that I expect a reasoned response, but WTF are you talking about? :confused:

And please don't tell me you are going to compare what some hacker did with Palin's e-mails on Yahoo to the Watergate conspiracies!! :headbang:

No. I'm equating them. This is exactly the kind of activity I expect from the liberal smear machine, from an ideology with no respect for personal freedom or responsibility.

No. I'm equating them.

What are they teaching you kids in schools these days?

Perhaps you hadn't heard but Watergate involved the highest levels of government misusing resources to spy and play dirty tricks on opponents.

One lone hacker (or even an organized pack of hackers) does not equate to Watergate, boy-o.

This is exactly the kind of activity I expect from the liberal smear machine, from an ideology with no respect for personal freedom or responsibility.

Oh, I see. You're silly.

What are they teaching you kids in schools these days?

Perhaps you hadn't heard but Watergate involved the highest levels of government misusing resources to spy and play dirty tricks on opponents.

One lone hacker (or even an organized pack of hackers) does not equate to Watergate, boy-o.

Let's see....
Member of one political party, feeling threatened by an influential member of another party resorts to felony invasion of privacy to steal that information. The main difference: Nixon got caught, and since he was a Republican, there was a large media outcry. Since the hacker in question and Gawker are liberals attacking a conservative, the media are just fine with it.

Let's see....
Member of one political party, feeling threatened by an influential member of another party resorts to felony invasion of privacy to steal that information. The main difference: Nixon got caught, and since he was a Republican, there was a large media outcry. Since the hacker in question and Gawker are liberals attacking a conservative, the media are just fine with it.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Go study a little history and get back to us.

Here these links will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/

Yes. So you liberals have now resorted to emulating the actions of the most despised opposition-party president in American history in order to dig up some dirt on the newest target for your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Nicely done.

Uh...no. Pray, is the hacker a member of the Democratic Party? Was he contracted by the Democratic Party? No. So there's no comparison, is there?

Nice try, though, really. *golf clap*

No. I'm equating them. This is exactly the kind of activity I expect from the liberal smear machine, from an ideology with no respect for personal freedom or responsibility.

"Liberal smear machine" -- that's hilarious. the hits keep coming.

Look, I posted it because it was emailed to me and it struck me as fairly telling that a sizeable gathering in Anchorage would come out against her. I didn't post it because a Democrat asked me to, or because I'm a Democrat. I'm not registered, in fact, to any party.

I just know a really bad choice when I watch one try to look like a legitimate VP candidate. I also know that Alaskan pride-of-place is pretty fucking strong, and that it would take someone really unpopular to draw that kind of a crowd in Anchorage. Ever been there?

She's Caribou Barbie, and calling her on it doesn't make me anything like a hotel-burglarizing, paranoid, China-visiting, flop-sweating, Jew-hating dead President's man.

Let's see....
Member of one political party, feeling threatened by an influential member of another party resorts to felony invasion of privacy to steal that information. The main difference: Nixon got caught, and since he was a Republican, there was a large media outcry. Since the hacker in question and Gawker are liberals attacking a conservative, the media are just fine with it.

What one member of what one political party is responsible for the Yahoo! hack?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Go study a little history and get back to us.

Here these links will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p222/the_x-phile/ObviousTroll.jpg

That is all.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Go study a little history and get back to us.

Here these links will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/

I don't know, maybe cry, that the collection of slip-and-fall lawyers and infanticide advocates known as liberals have resorted to the same tactics they claimed to despise when they were utilized by President Nixon.
But of course, felony is only disrespectable when a conservative commits it.

Oh wait, I forgot to use the Nicea Sancta method:

You have no authority to compare anyone to Nixon because you don't know history and only the one, true apostolic faith in the record of time as it was chronicled by the prophets Woodward and Bernstein is of any relevance.

I get that about right?

I don't know, maybe cry, that the collection of slip-and-fall lawyers and infanticide advocates known as liberals have resorted to the same tactics they claimed to despise when they were utilized by President Nixon.
But of course, felony is only disrespectable when a conservative commits it.

Nice flame.

Uh...no. Pray, is the hacker a member of the Democratic Party? Was he contracted by the Democratic Party? No. So there's no comparison, is there?

Nice try, though, really. *golf clap*



"Liberal smear machine" -- that's hilarious. the hits keep coming.

Look, I posted it because it was emailed to me and it struck me as fairly telling that a sizeable gathering in Anchorage would come out against her. I didn't post it because a Democrat asked me to, or because I'm a Democrat. I'm not registered, in fact, to any party.

I just know a really bad choice when I watch one try to look like a legitimate VP candidate. I also know that Alaskan pride-of-place is pretty fucking strong, and that it would take someone really unpopular to draw that kind of a crowd in Anchorage. Ever been there?

She's Caribou Barbie, and calling her on it doesn't make me anything like a hotel-burglarizing, paranoid, China-visiting, flop-sweating, Jew-hating dead President's man.

The "this" in my post was referring to the hack and release of personal information, not the gathering.

Uh...no. Pray, is the hacker a member of the Democratic Party? Was he contracted by the Democratic Party? No. So there's no comparison, is there?

Nice try, though, really. *golf clap*



He/She/They are liberals attacking a conservative because he/she/they feel threatened by the recent surge in the McCain-Palin ticket.
Nixon was a conservative attacking liberals because he felt threatened by the recent surge in liberal leanings.

Yeah, there is a comparison.

Yeah, there is a comparison.

so is comparing an apple to a rock. A big rock, a rock that looks nothing like an apple.

Please don't feed the troll. Especially after midnight.

so is comparing an apple to a rock. A big rock, a rock that looks nothing like an apple.

The fact that you are unable to discern the comparison in no way negates the accuracy of the comparison. The tactics are similar: the difference being that now the perpetrators are the members of the other ideology. And suddenly, it's all right.

The fact that you are unable to discern the comparison in no way negates the accuracy of the comparison. The tactics are similar: the difference being that now the perpetrators are the members of the other ideology. And suddenly, it's all right.

I see. If we ignore the copious ways in which two things are completely different in quantity, scope, seriousness, legality, etc, etc., and only focus on the most rudimentary similarities we can call two things "similar."

Like my peaking through your window is similar to the government bugging and raiding your house.

My throwing a rock at your house is similar to carpet bombing of your neighborhood.

I mean as long as two incidents involve human action at some level they have at least that much in common and are "similar."

:rolleyes::p

I see. If we ignore the copious ways in which two things are completely different in quantity, scope, seriousness, legality, etc, etc., and only focus on the most rudimentary similarities we can call two things "similar."

Like my peaking through your window is similar to the government bugging and raiding your house.

My throwing a rock at your house is similar to carpet bombing of your neighborhood.

I mean as long as two incidents involve human action at some level they have at least that much in common and are "similar."

:rolleyes::p

Then again that does seem to fit in with Red State perception that 9-11 was the worst human tragedy in the world, surpassing every other numerically superior deaths.

I see. If we ignore the copious ways in which two things are completely different in quantity, scope, seriousness, legality, etc, etc., and only focus on the most rudimentary similarities we can call two things "similar."

Like my peaking through your window is similar to the government bugging and raiding your house.

My throwing a rock at your house is similar to carpet bombing of your neighborhood.

I mean as long as two incidents involve human action at some level they have at least that much in common and are "similar."

:rolleyes::p

The tactics are the same, which is what I said all along. The incidents differ in the participants. Your peeking through my window and the government bugging my home are similar, but not the same tactics: Your hiding in my home and writing up a list of private information to use against me and the government bugging my home are the same tactics: both are despicable.
It is the same with the Watergate-Palin hacking comparison. The individual participants are the in different situations, but their tactics are the same.

He/She/They are liberals attacking a conservative because he/she/they feel threatened by the recent surge in the McCain-Palin ticket.
Nixon was a conservative attacking liberals because he felt threatened by the recent surge in liberal leanings.

Yeah, there is a comparison.

Liar. It was a conservative agent hacking into Palin's account so as to create ammunition to throw at non-existent liberals. It's true because I say so and need no proof, since this is the standard you use.

Unless of course, you want to start bringing pesky little things like truth and evidence to the table, and oh look, your bag is all empty.

Very well, then let's allow that Nixon was a liberal plant, faking his conservative leanings to win over the Republican party, allowing him to be elevated to president, only to discredit the party he secretly loathed.
That's about as plausible as the scenario you quoted.
No, a far likelier case is that people's apparent motives were their true ones, that Nixon focused on influential liberals because he meant to discredit the liberals, and that the hacker focused on an influential conservative because he meant discredit that conservative.

Please don't feed the troll. Especially after midnight.

I think I've solved the NS problem, at least for me. She's now officially on my ignore list. She's in good company - the hyperconservative NS and the hyper liberal Fass now reside together.

Very well, then let's allow that Nixon was a liberal plant, faking his conservative leanings to win over the Republican party, allowing him to be elevated to president, only to discredit the party he secretly loathed.
That's about as plausible as the scenario you quoted.
No, a far likelier case is that people's apparent motives were their true ones, that Nixon focused on influential liberals because he meant to discredit the liberals, and that the hacker focused on an influential conservative because he meant discredit that conservative.

The difference is that we have the identity of the one behind the Watergate scandal. Do we have the identity behind Palin's account being leaked? No? Then it's just as likely to be a a conservative plant using this to gain political points.

Provide proof, or you might be on the business end of a libel suit one of these days.

I think I've solved the NS problem, at least for me. She's now officially on my ignore list. She's in good company - the hyperconservative NS and the hyper liberal Fass now reside together.

Where they can make sweet, sweet hyperlove and give rise to a hypermoderate baby?

:D :D :D

I think I've solved the NS problem, at least for me. She's now officially on my ignore list. She's in good company - the hyperconservative NS and the hyper liberal Fass now reside together.

Hmm. I do regret that ASD has ignored me, as she was one of the opponents I most respected, but se la vie.
Stranger to me is that I appear to come across as female. For future reference, (to those who have not ignored me) I am male.

I think I've solved the NS problem, at least for me. She's now officially on my ignore list. She's in good company - the hyperconservative NS and the hyper liberal Fass now reside together.

She? Really?

Where they can make sweet, sweet hyperlove and give rise to a hypermoderate baby?

:D :D :D

I suspect that Fass would find her trying. As irritating as I find him, he occasionally does deal in facts.

She? Really?

Check her profile. She's 25, female and horribly conservative. Completely atypical for a girl her age.

Wow, yet another anti-Palin thread. You liberals must really be starting to get scared of the McCain-Palin powerhouse.
Next thing we know, liberals will resort to using Watergate-style tactics to gain felonious access to her personal records and then illegally distributing them to the public...
Whoops, too late! Looks like the liberals sink lower faster than I can anticipate the depths of their depravity.

4Chan is not the Democratic Party's personal army.

Also, if you're retarded enough to use a @yahoo.com e-mail for your jumpoff, and have the password be your fucking zip code, you deserve to be hacked. and are at a Ray Nagin level of political intelligence, and don't deserve to run anything larger than Wasilla, Alaska.

4Chan is not the Democratic Party's personal army.

Also, if you're retarded enough to use a @yahoo.com e-mail for your jumpoff, and have the password be your fucking zip code, you deserve to be hacked. and are at a Ray Nagin level of political intelligence, and don't deserve to run anything larger than Wasilla, Alaska.

So, the hackers responsible for committing this felony should not be held liable because Gov. Palin uses an email account from a large and respectable email provider?
I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

So, the hackers responsible for committing this felony should not be held liable because Gov. Palin uses an email account from a large and respectable email provider?
I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

Government business on a public commercial email account?

Obviously if I Can't Believe It's Not Hillary was a Democrat you'd be bitching like the rest of us.

Oh, and God Forbid someone working for the State Department, CIA, or a nuclear facility should use the same easily accessible public e-mail account to send classified documents.

Government business on a public commercial email account?

Obviously if I Can't Believe It's Not Hillary was a Democrat you'd be bitching like the rest of us.

Oh, and God Forbid someone working for the State Department, CIA, or a nuclear facility should use the same easily accessible public e-mail account to send classified documents.

If Hilary Clinton herself had been the victim of a felony invasion-of-privacy, I would be just as upset. Such tactics are despicable, regardless of which party engages in them. The fact that Gov. Palin uses a common email address does not give the hacker public free reign to break into her personal information. This should be called what it is, a felony, and the perpetrators prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The fact that this is clearly a politically motivated attack only adds to the despicable nature of this crime.

Not that I expect a reasoned response, but WTF are you talking about? :confused:

And please don't tell me you are going to compare what some hacker did with Palin's e-mails on Yahoo to the Watergate conspiracies!! :headbang:

Thank you.

I thought it was just me.

So, the hackers responsible for committing this felony should not be held liable because Gov. Palin uses an email account from a large and respectable email provider?
I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

Logic is that this isn't near Watergate. Comparison.

Watergate:
A. Physical break-in.
B. In to a private property
C. SOLELY for the purpose of political gain.
D. Orchastrated by the highest levels of the opposition party.

Palin@yahoogate
A. Script kiddie with a hard-on.
B. Into a non-secure website, made less secure by Palin's lack of ability to create a simple alpha-numeric password that wasn't obvious.
C. Motive undertermined, based on source, he did it for the lulz.
D. Lone wolf, unsupported by party and even his own website home. People at 4Chan rectified the issue after he posted it, pulling what's known as a "White Knight".

If Hilary Clinton herself had been the victim of a felony invasion-of-privacy, I would be just as upset. Such tactics are despicable, regardless of which party engages in them. The fact that Gov. Palin uses a common email address does not give the hacker public free reign to break into her personal information. This should be called what it is, a felony, and the perpetrators prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The fact that this is clearly a politically motivated attack only adds to the despicable nature of this crime.

So you're not going to say that using a public email server for classified or government documents doesn't count as a failure of common sense? If every government official shared your opinion in that regards, Burn After Reading would not be a comedy film. It would be a tragic and constant reality.

He/She/They are liberals attacking a conservative because he/she/they feel threatened by the recent surge in the McCain-Palin ticket.
Nixon was a conservative attacking liberals because he felt threatened by the recent surge in liberal leanings.

Yeah, there is a comparison.
One was the president of the most powerful nation on Earth.
The other is some sweaty maladjusted guy living in his mom's basement.

yeah. I can see how you equate the two. Totally fair comparison.
Sorry I ever doubted your grasp on reality.

Locic is that this isn't near Watergate. Comparison.

Watergate:
A. Physical break-in.
B. In to a private property
C. SOLELY for the purpose of political gain.
D. Orchastrated by the highest levels of the opposition party.

Palin@yahoogate
A. Script kiddie with a hard-on.
B. Into a non-secure website, made less secure by Palin's lack of ability to create a simple alpha-numeric password that wasn't obvious.
C. Motive undertermined, based on source, he did it for the lulz.
D. Lone wolf, unsupported by party and even his own website home. People at 4Chan rectified the issue after he posted it, pulling what's known as a "White Knight".

A. The specifics of the incidents are irrelevant, as I was comparing only the tactics.
B. Palin's ability to choose a password and the security of the Web site notwithstanding, both the Watergate incident and the Palin hacking are felony invasion-of-privacy offenses.
C. As stated before, it is far likelier to believe that an attack made upon a highly influential politician was made based on political reasons.
D. The support received are details of the incidents, and irrelevant again, as only the tactics themselves were being compared, not the incidents.

Check her profile. She's 25, female and horribly conservative. Completely atypical for a girl her age.
This is the internet. 'She' could be a 48yr old bus driver from New Jersey for all we know.

So, the hackers responsible for committing this felony should not be held liable because Gov. Palin uses an email account from a large and respectable email provider?
I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

Hmmm I wonder what the Chinese civil rights people think about Yahoo.

I am happy she is showing her security "expertise" in this affair. I really feel safe knowing she could be at the helm.....

So you're not going to say that using a public email server for classified or government documents doesn't count as a failure of common sense? If every government official shared your opinion in that regards, Burn After Reading would not be a comedy film. It would be a tragic and constant reality.

I have stated no opinion about the use of a public email server for sending classified documents. I have stated an opinion on the felony invasion-of-privacy offense, an opinion which has never been responded to directly, only by indirect finger-pointing.

A. The specifics of the incidents are irrelevant, as I was comparing only the tactics.
B. Palin's ability to choose a password and the security of the Web site notwithstanding, both the Watergate incident and the Palin hacking are felony invasion-of-privacy offenses.
C. As stated before, it is far likelier to believe that an attack made upon a highly influential politician was made based on political reasons.
D. The support received are details of the incidents, and irrelevant again, as only the tactics themselves were being compared, not the incidents.

A. If you're going to seriously tell me that the tactics of physically breaking into a secured space and the tactics of hacking a yahoo.com com e-mail account are equivalent, then we can't really continue as you have not the sense of equivence or scale to argue the point. By this ligic, buying a blunt is equal to getting a planeload of dope.

B. One is Invasion of Privacy, one's B & E. Invasion of Privacy is what you plead down to when you catch a B & E charge and you don't want to do the full bid.

C. If you're going to assert it's political, you need to prove it's political, especially given the source's non-political, pro-chaos and lulz leanings.

D. The level of support received, determines the tactics of any attack. You don't attack a target the same way when you're alone as you would with the 1st Armored Infantry at your back.

I have stated no opinion about the use of a public email server for sending classified documents. I have stated an opinion on the felony invasion-of-privacy offense, an opinion which has never been responded to directly, only by indirect finger-pointing.

But they are quite related. If I Can't Believe It's Not Hillary used secure official email for conducting business instead of using Yahoo! Mail, then her account would not have been easy for the Anon to forge access to and spread out the information. Don't talk about the chicken when the problem goes back to the egg.

A. If you're going to seriously tell me that the tactics of physically breaking into a secured space and the tactics of hacking a yahoo.com com e-mail account are equivalent, then we can't really continue as you have not the sense of equivence or scale to argue the point. By this ligic, buying a blunt is equal to getting a planeload of dope.

B. One is Invasion of Privacy, one's B & E. Invasion of Privacy is what you plead down to when you catch a B & E charge and you don't want to do the full bid.

C. If you're going to assert it's political, you need to prove it's political, especially given the source's non-political, pro-chaos and lulz leanings.

D. The level of support received, determines the tactics of any attack. You don't attack a target the same way when you're alone as you would with the 1st Armored Infantry at your back.

A. No, the tactics of searching through the opposition party's confidential files for information to help your own cause and the tactics of searching through an opposition party representative's confidential correspondence for information to hinder her cause are equivalent.

B. Breaking and Entering was committed in the break-in. Invasion of Privacy was committed in the searching of the private documents. Invasion of Privacy was also committed in the hacking of Gov. Palin's email.

C. As stated repeatedly, the likelier motive is that which it appears to be. If I allow you to assert that the hacker's motive was in fact for kicks rather than political damage, despite his target being a highly influential political figure, then you must allow me similar liberty to assert that President Nixon instituted the Watergate break-in to mess up the place out of sheer love of chaos.

D. Apparently not in this case, as the tactics of each are virtually identical: breaking into the private information of a high-ranking political figure or figures. The support altered the details, but not the tactics.

But they are quite related. If I Can't Believe It's Not Hillary used secure official email for conducting business instead of using Yahoo! Mail, then her account would not have been easy for the Anon to forge access to and spread out the information. Don't talk about the chicken when the problem goes back to the egg.

The ease of breaking into an account in no way excuses the felony act of breaking into that account. The fault in this instance lies clearly with the hacker.

The ease of breaking into an account in no way excuses the felony act of breaking into that account. The fault in this instance lies clearly with the hacker.

It wasn't even a real hacking attempt, merely Palin making the mistake of using easy to figure out passwords and security questions. Anyone with an online account are always warned about giving away private information or clicking on suspicious links.

Nobody said it was justified, but the fact that Palin set things up to where it was even possible says it's just as much her fault as it was the Anon's.

God forbid if she's just as security-minded if she ever gets close to the White House. Aldritch Ames and Robert Hansen would have creamed in their pants.

A. No, the tactics of searching through the opposition party's confidential files for information to help your own cause and the tactics of searching through an opposition party representative's confidential correspondence for information to hinder her cause are equivalent.

B. Breaking and Entering was committed in the break-in. Invasion of Privacy was committed in the searching of the private documents. Invasion of Privacy was also committed in the hacking of Gov. Palin's email.

C. As stated repeatedly, the likelier motive is that which it appears to be. If I allow you to assert that the hacker's motive was in fact for kicks rather than political damage, despite his target being a highly influential political figure, then you must allow me similar liberty to assert that President Nixon instituted the Watergate break-in to mess up the place out of sheer love of chaos.

D. Apparently not in this case, as the tactics of each are virtually identical: breaking into the private information of a high-ranking political figure or figures. The support altered the details, but not the tactics.

tac·tic (tāk'tĭk) Pronunciation Key
n. An expedient for achieving a goal; a maneuver.
(used with a sing. or pl. verb) A procedure or set of maneuvers engaged in to achieve an end, an aim, or a goal.

A. Now given the relative political power of 4Chan versus Nixon you can pretty much tell that the tactics were different. Why, because the goals of the people doing the actions were different.

B. You just disproved yourself, thanks.

C. Fine, you now have the right to say all you want that Nixon did it for the lulz. It doesn't make it true, but you can say it all you want, happy?

D. definition again: A procedure or set of maneuvers engaged in to achieve an end, an aim, or a goal. Tactics therefore can only be considered equivalent if both the actions AND goals are equavalent. Compare Nixon's goal[me=strongest man in free world] to Basement guy's goals. [some other guy for Prez., me still in basement.]

The fact that this is clearly a politically motivated attack only adds to the despicable nature of this crime.

You've yet to prove this. Only made assumptions.

2AM. Sleep. I think I've done enough here.

You've yet to prove this. Only made assumptions.

The assumption is made on the basis of the likelihood of the nature of the attack. As stated previously, I will grant you that this hacker attacked a highly influential government official for kicks, if you will grant me that Richard Nixon orchestrated the Watergate incident to mess up the place out of love of chaos.

The "this" in my post was referring to the hack and release of personal information, not the gathering.

But the gathering is what my thread is about.

He/She/They are liberals attacking a conservative because he/she/they feel threatened by the recent surge in the McCain-Palin ticket.
Nixon was a conservative attacking liberals because he felt threatened by the recent surge in liberal leanings.

Yeah, there is a comparison.

The fact that you don't even know the gender or number of hacker(s) says quite a lot about your ability to reason if you're going to try and make this incredibly flawed comparison.

The assumption is made on the basis of the likelihood of the nature of the attack. As stated previously, I will grant you that this hacker attacked a highly influential government official for kicks, if you will grant me that Richard Nixon orchestrated the Watergate incident to mess up the place out of love of chaos.

The motives of a juvenile-minded computer nerd hacking Yahoo! for fun versus the motives of a paranoid, enemies-list-making Commander-in-Chief.

No comparison.

Complete and utter fail. But by all means, keep trying. I love absurdist comedy.

But the gathering is what my thread is about.



The fact that you don't even know the gender or number of hacker(s) says quite a lot about your ability to reason if you're going to try and make this incredibly flawed comparison.

I've repeatedly answered contentions to my claims to explain any apparent flaws. The details incidents were dissimiliar, but the tactics involved were identical; felony invasion of privacy of a highly influential government official.

The assumption is made on the basis of the likelihood of the nature of the attack. As stated previously, I will grant you that this hacker attacked a highly influential government official for kicks, if you will grant me that Richard Nixon orchestrated the Watergate incident to mess up the place out of love of chaos.

True enough, but you're jumping the gun a bit. It's almost certain that there was a political motivation, but the same goes for pies in the face or eggs thrown at a speaker - illegal in both cases, and nearly always political, but only noteworthy if the perpetrator is someone important. Nixon/CREEP were important. We have to wait and see who's behind this one, but given that Yahoo isn't very secure, it's apparently true that almost anyone could've pulled off this crime.

The assumption is made on the basis of the likelihood of the nature of the attack. As stated previously, I will grant you that this hacker attacked a highly influential government official for kicks, if you will grant me that Richard Nixon orchestrated the Watergate incident to mess up the place out of love of chaos.

You will provide proof that the data thief was both politically motivated as well as his/her political leanings. You will also provide proof that the thief is connected to the "liberal smear machine". In fact, you will prove the latter even exists. Or you are a liar.

The motives of a juvenile-minded computer nerd hacking Yahoo! for fun versus the motives of a paranoid, enemies-list-making Commander-in-Chief.

No comparison.

Complete and utter fail. But by all means, keep trying. I love absurdist comedy.

Nixon attacked the Democrats because of his fear of rising liberal sentiment in the nation. I submit that the hacker attacked Gov. Palin at this time, out of all possible yahoo email users, and out of all possible times, due to the recent rise in approval for the McCain-Palin ticket she has generated.

As previously stated, if you wish to deny this, the obvious motive, in favor of the "He just wanted some kicks" theory, then you must also allow me the similar liberty of denying Nixon's political motivations in favor of the "He just wanted to mess up the place and cause general chaos" theory.

Nixon ordered the break-in because he wanted an unfair advantage over the coming election, in order to get himself re-elected as President.
The sweaty maladjusted tyke is not standing for election to the most powerful office in the world. He gains little, if anything, from his hackery of Palin's email a/c.

There's an ever-so-slight difference there in motive. Can you spot the difference?

I've repeatedly answered contentions to my claims to explain any apparent flaws. The details incidents were dissimiliar, but the tactics involved were identical; felony invasion of privacy of a highly influential government official.

The tactics were not similar. Tactics are actions or strategies carefully planned to achieve a specific end. Since you don't know what ends the hacker was aiming for -- and neither do I, but I'm willing to bet it was shits and giggles -- you're missing part of the tactical picture. Hell, we don't even know if the hack was carefully planned. Your comparison is therefore invalid.

The actions are different. One online, the other burglary. Your comparison is invalid.

Watergate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate) was not aimed at "a highly influential government official", it was the DNC HQ at the time. If the burglary was of George McGovern's actual room, you'd have a case. Also, McGovern wasn't using the hotel complex as a place to conduct government business in public (which is about as close to an analogy of using Yahoo! for government business as 1972 can produce) Your comparison is invalid.

The only -- ONLY -- thing that's similar is the invasion of privacy. That's all. That's one fraction of the whole pie you need to claim "hacker = Watergate". Your continued efforts bespeak an admirable dedication to your cause (whatever it may be), but your continued repetition of the same points once they've been shown to be largely incorrect is not so much admirable, but a symptom.

Nixon attacked the Democrats because of his fear of rising liberal sentiment in the nation. I submit that the hacker attacked Gov. Palin at this time, out of all possible yahoo email users, and out of all possible times, due to the recent rise in approval for the McCain-Palin ticket she has generated.

As previously stated, if you wish to deny this, the obvious motive, in favor of the "He just wanted some kicks" theory, then you must also allow me the similar liberty of denying Nixon's political motivations in favor of the "He just wanted to mess up the place and cause general chaos" theory.

Really? It couldn't have been "Palin, hey, isn't that the hot chick in the election? Hell yeah, I'm hackin' that!" You're not even going to allow for that possibility? Have you MET any nerds?

Nixon ordered the break-in because he wanted an unfair advantage over the coming election, in order to get himself re-elected as President.
The sweaty maladjusted tyke is not standing for election to the most powerful office in the world. He gains little, if anything, from his hackery of Palin's email a/c.

There's an ever-so-slight difference there in motive. Can you spot the difference?

The transposition of the phenomenon Bush Derangement Syndrome has in recent months passed quite easily from Bush to McCain, and from McCain to Gov. Palin, who is now taking the brunt of the liberal attacks. Such Bush Derangement Syndrome is commonly prevalent among internet-savvy individuals, as evidenced by the political leanings on this and many other internet forums. It therefore stands to reason that this hacker also suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome, and was consumed with an irrational hatred for Palin. However, unlike many of the Bush Derangement Syndrome sufferers, he was not impotent; he utilized his internet-savvy to commit political terrorism, in the form of a felony invasion-of-privacy offense, in an attempt to strike back at the object of his irrational hatred.
What did he stand to gain? Seeing the surging support for the McCain-Palin ticket and desperate for his faux-messiah Obama to mount a comeback, he acted as he did in an attempt to stymie the rise of the McCain-Palin ticket in hopes of helping Obama in his bid for president.
Again, these are details of the incidents and their actors, not the tactics themselves, but even here a parallel is visible.

Anyone else notice that Nicea is trying to pull the focus off the fact that a relative shitload of people in Palin's home state, who have known her longer than anyone else in the US (including McCain), all gathered to try and explain why they'd rather not see her as VP? More people than her own Alaska National Guard rally?

Let's side-step the hijack every so often and remind ourselves of that fact.

The transposition of the phenomenon Bush Derangement Syndrome has in recent months passed quite easily from Bush to McCain, and from McCain to Gov. Palin, who is now taking the brunt of the liberal attacks. Such Bush Derangement Syndrome is commonly prevalent among internet-savvy individuals, as evidenced by the political leanings on this and many other internet forums. It therefore stands to reason that this hacker also suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome, and was consumed with an irrational hatred for Palin. However, unlike many of the Bush Derangement Syndrome sufferers, he was not impotent; he utilized his internet-savvy to commit political terrorism, in the form of a felony invasion-of-privacy offense, in an attempt to strike back at the object of his irrational hatred.
What did he stand to gain? Seeing the surging support for the McCain-Palin ticket and desperate for his faux-messiah Obama to mount a comeback, he acted as he did in an attempt to stymie the rise of the McCain-Palin ticket in hopes of helping Obama in his bid for president.
Again, these are details of the incidents and their actors, not the tactics themselves, but even here a parallel is visible.

Notoriety. Again, do you KNOW any hackers? If you stretch any farther, you will come apart.

Thank you, all, for indulging in troll-feeding behavior. You continuously entertain me.

Bush Derangement Syndrome. Or, as it's known colloquially, seeing what's going on and wondering what's wrong with those in power.

Honestly, NS, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. You needn't be deranged to think something's amiss.

Thank you, all, for indulging in troll-feeding behavior. You continuously entertain me.

SOMEbody has to. They haven't cleaned the stains off the floor of the Smithsonian from the last time you got bored.

The transposition of the phenomenon Bush Derangement Syndrome has in recent months passed quite easily from Bush to McCain, and from McCain to Gov. Palin, who is now taking the brunt of the liberal attacks. Such Bush Derangement Syndrome is commonly prevalent among internet-savvy individuals, as evidenced by the political leanings on this and many other internet forums. It therefore stands to reason that this hacker also suffered from Bush Derangement Syndrome, and was consumed with an irrational hatred for Palin. However, unlike many of the Bush Derangement Syndrome sufferers, he was not impotent; he utilized his internet-savvy to commit political terrorism, in the form of a felony invasion-of-privacy offense, in an attempt to strike back at the object of his irrational hatred.
What did he stand to gain? Seeing the surging support for the McCain-Palin ticket and desperate for his faux-messiah Obama to mount a comeback, he acted as he did in an attempt to stymie the rise of the McCain-Palin ticket in hopes of helping Obama in his bid for president.
Again, these are details of the incidents and their actors, not the tactics themselves, but even here a parallel is visible.
ahhhhh...every time I think you couldn't possibly top your last irrational posting, you prove me wrong!
thank you thank you thank you
Made an otherwise lousy day (I have a cold) all the better.
Again, thank you.

SOMEbody has to. They haven't cleaned the stains off the floor of the Smithsonian from the last time you got bored.

...oh, well played. http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-lolani.gif

The tactics were not similar. Tactics are actions or strategies carefully planned to achieve a specific end. Since you don't know what ends the hacker was aiming for -- and neither do I, but I'm willing to bet it was shits and giggles -- you're missing part of the tactical picture. Hell, we don't even know if the hack was carefully planned. Your comparison is therefore invalid.

The actions are different. One online, the other burglary. Your comparison is invalid.

Watergate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate) was not aimed at "a highly influential government official", it was the DNC HQ at the time. If the burglary was of George McGovern's actual room, you'd have a case. Also, McGovern wasn't using the hotel complex as a place to conduct government business in public (which is about as close to an analogy of using Yahoo! for government business as 1972 can produce) Your comparison is invalid.

The only -- ONLY -- thing that's similar is the invasion of privacy. That's all. That's one fraction of the whole pie you need to claim "hacker = Watergate". Your continued efforts bespeak an admirable dedication to your cause (whatever it may be), but your continued repetition of the same points once they've been shown to be largely incorrect is not so much admirable, but a symptom.

Fine, play semantic games if you wish, if that is your defense of last resort. The methods or mode of attack were identical. Whatever you want to label it, both used felony invasion-of-privacy offenses to illegally gain access to the private information of a high-ranking government official.

The variation details of the carryout of the method/mode-of-attack do not invalidate the comparison of the method/mode-of-attack itself.

In the case of Nixon, it was several high-ranking government officials; the originators of the documents at the DNC. The variances in details of the actions of the targets of the attacks do not invalidate the comparison of the method/mode-of-attack itself.

If you'll read the prior posts, I never claimed that, as you so eloquently put it, hacker = Watergate. I claimed the tactics, which we are now referring to as the method/mode-of-attack, were identical. Further, the comparison goes farther than "mere" invasion of privacy. It is felony invasion of privacy against a high ranking government official(s)

I have no cause, in this instance, other than justice: the hacker in question has committed a felony, and people on this thread are, out of sheer political motivation, defending his actions. He should be dragged before court and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Further, repeated arguings that my points are incorrect do not make them so. You have not shown that any of my points are incorrect; I have defended each one of them.

SOMEbody has to. They haven't cleaned the stains off the floor of the Smithsonian from the last time you got bored.

You mean that wasn't floor wax!?!?!?

:eek:

:gas:

Really? It couldn't have been "Palin, hey, isn't that the hot chick in the election? Hell yeah, I'm hackin' that!" You're not even going to allow for that possibility? Have you MET any nerds?

Of course I will allow for that possibility, presuming you will allow for the possibility that Richard M. Nixon orchestrated the break-in and ransacking of DNC records in the Watergate hotel room for the sole purpose of messing up the place and causing general havoc.

I'm going to bed. Trying to talk sense into people is exhausting.

...oh, well played. http://generalitemafia.ipbfree.com/uploads/ipbfree.com/generalitemafia/emo-lolani.gif

I do my best -- you deserve no less.

Fine, play semantic games if you wish, if that is your defense of last resort. The methods or mode of attack were identical. Whatever you want to label it, both used felony invasion-of-privacy offenses to illegally gain access to the private information of a high-ranking government official.

The variation details of the carryout of the method/mode-of-attack do not invalidate the comparison of the method/mode-of-attack itself.

In the case of Nixon, it was several high-ranking government officials; the originators of the documents at the DNC. The variances in details of the actions of the targets of the attacks do not invalidate the comparison of the method/mode-of-attack itself.

If you'll read the prior posts, I never claimed that, as you so eloquently put it, hacker = Watergate. I claimed the tactics, which we are now referring to as the method/mode-of-attack, were identical. Further, the comparison goes farther than "mere" invasion of privacy. It is felony invasion of privacy against a high ranking government official(s)

I have no cause, in this instance, other than justice: the hacker in question has committed a felony, and people on this thread are, out of sheer political motivation, defending his actions. He should be dragged before court and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Further, repeated arguings that my points are incorrect do not make them so. You have not shown that any of my points are incorrect; I have defended each one of them.

It isn't semantics. It's denotation. If you cannot accept the actual definitions of words you choose to use, that's your problem. I will continue to speak standard English -- just not to you. I have NOT ONCE defended the hacker. You continue to misrepresent both me and the English language. I cannot, in good conscience continue to besmirch the good name of debate by casting pearls of refutation against the swine of your persistent and childish pleonastic, redundant tautology.

Good day.

Anyone else notice that Nicea is trying to pull the focus off the fact that a relative shitload of people in Palin's home state, who have known her longer than anyone else in the US (including McCain), all gathered to try and explain why they'd rather not see her as VP? More people than her own Alaska National Guard rally?

Let's side-step the hijack every so often and remind ourselves of that fact.

Alaska is a reliably-red state, but it shouldn't be a surprise that she has opponents there. As to crowd estimates, the article Google gave me has some numbers, but they don't look too solid, and apparently include some supporters, given that the demonstration occurred after a nearby Palin event had concluded:

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Despite_threats,_%22Alaska_Women_Reject_Palin%22_rally_held

But it's good to see a lively exchange. I think everyone should attend a protest/rally at least once, even if it's just for the experience. In this case, though, the claim:

On Wednesday, the group sent a press release to the local media about the rally. The press release, a copy of which was obtained by Wikinews, says that Alaska Women Reject Palin is a group "who challenge the claim that Palin’s value systems and ideals reflect all women and middle-class American families, and who urge voters to scrutinize Palin’s politics, and decide for themselves if hers is the example by which they and their families want to live."

...is a little silly. She may have broad appeal, but she isn't exactly an "everywoman"-type populist. Most American families are more than a little different from the Palins.

I'm going to bed. Trying to talk sense into people is exhausting.
I'm not surprised. You don't have much practise talking sense, do you? :p

I'm not surprised. You don't have much practise talking sense, do you? :p

Well, most other professions require having an appropriate qualification.

C. As stated repeatedly, the likelier motive is that which it appears to be. Yes, and it doesn't appear to be political, except, for one reason, to you.

The assumption is made on the basis of the likelihood of the nature of the attack.She is a high profile person, and she has a bad password. Just like dozens of celebrities before her she got "hacked", for the lulz. This is nothing new, and is unlikely to have to do with politics.

Of course I will allow for that possibility, presuming you will allow for the possibility that Richard M. Nixon orchestrated the break-in and ransacking of DNC records in the Watergate hotel room for the sole purpose of messing up the place and causing general havoc.Well, obviously; we all know republicans vote for a president based solely on the amount of chaos they can cause in the world. ;)

Anyone else notice that Nicea is trying to pull the focus off the fact that a relative shitload of people in Palin's home state, who have known her longer than anyone else in the US (including McCain), all gathered to try and explain why they'd rather not see her as VP? More people than her own Alaska National Guard rally?

Let's side-step the hijack every so often and remind ourselves of that fact.

No, no, this has provided significant data on how the Republican attack machine (RAM) will respond to this. As a troll, NS is a remarkable weather vane by which to judge how the RAM will act on this. We can infer from his acts on this thread that the RAM will respond to the protest by raising other issues and trying to play "Palin is a victim of a hacker" lines so as to drown this out.

He can blather however much he wants, giving valuable information as how to beat the RAM. Feeding him is necessary evil, but one with significant use.

Hell, they already got a suspect. This guy:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9674/davidkernellzk9.jpg

no, for serious, article from the Tennessean (newspaper)
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/NEWS02/80918081

Poor sap.

Maybe if he's lucky, his computer is part of a bot-net, which will give him plausible deniability that someone else was using his computer as proxy. (Of course I expect he'll crack like an egg on the pavement after being dropped from the empire state building).

After not finding anything, he should have just kept it to himself and pretend nothing happened.

Oh yeah; all suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and initiated by Bubba into the delicate social intricacies of life in prison.

Next thing we know, liberals will resort to using Watergate-style tactics to gain felonious access to her personal records and then illegally distributing them to the public...
Whoops, too late! Looks like the liberals sink lower faster than I can anticipate the depths of their depravity.

What makes you think the ONE person that guessed Palin's zip code is even a liberal, you don't even know that much. Let alone the fact that anonymous has nothing to do with any liberal or left wing movement in the united states at all, they're just a bunch of stoned students.

What makes you think the ONE person that guessed Palin's zip code is even a liberal, you don't even know that much. Let alone the fact that anonymous has nothing to do with any liberal or left wing movement in the united states at all, they're just a bunch of stoned students.

They didn't even need to guess. Just have her wiki open.

no, for serious, article from the Tennessean (newspaper)
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/NEWS02/80918081

I've been hearing that this guy merely got framed.

Uh...no. Pray, is the hacker a member of the Democratic Party? Was he contracted by the Democratic Party? No. So there's no comparison, is there?

Nice try, though, really. *golf clap*

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115158&intsrc=hm_list

Democrat Tennessee legislator confirms son is at center of Palin hack chatter.

Save a golf clap for yourself.

The difference is that we have the identity of the one behind the Watergate scandal. Do we have the identity behind Palin's account being leaked? No? Then it's just as likely to be a a conservative plant using this to gain political points.

We do, actually. He e-mailed Michelle Malkin, apparently.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115158&intsrc=hm_list

Democrat Tennessee legislator confirms son is at center of Palin hack chatter.

Save a golf clap for yourself.

That article is so fucking confusing, first it says it was him, then it says that they're still looking for the hacker using proxy logs. And even if it was him, it still doesn't mean shit. He is not part of any political party or organisation, we don't even know his political leanings. It was one fucking kid, not an anonymous raid by a group with an agenda.

They didn't even need to guess. Just have her wiki open.

At the time, it wasn't on there as far as I know. There was an attempt to get in when her e-mail was first published, but the three or four people who tried all got the zip code wrong and got the account temporarily locked.

We do, actually. He e-mailed Michelle Malkin, apparently.

The Asian version of Ann Coulter?

The Asian version of Ann Coulter?

Yeah. Granted, I don't have a source, because that would have required clicking the link to her site that was provided to me.

At the time, it wasn't on there as far as I know. There was an attempt to get in when her e-mail was first published, but the three or four people who tried all got the zip code wrong and got the account temporarily locked.

Wasilla has two zip codes:

99654
99687


'Least that's what my routing software came up with for it. Took literally 2 seconds to find that.

I think I've solved the NS problem, at least for me. She's now officially on my ignore list. She's in good company - the hyperconservative NS and the hyper liberal Fass now reside together.

That's a WOMAN?

You know what? Enough stupid flamebait from Nicea Sancta.

On the ACTUAL TOPIC AT HAND:

1- That idiotic, moronic conservative radio hack that should die a slow and painful death actually did them a favor. He put the thing up in the media.

2- Goes to show that Palin is no feminist.

3- What is McCain's campaign going to claim now?

Wasilla has two zip codes:

99654
99687


'Least that's what my routing software came up with for it. Took literally 2 seconds to find that.

It might have been the zip code for another residence. She has a couple. If there were more than three it's entirely possible to get locked out before getting the correct one.

Yeah. Granted, I don't have a source, because that would have required clicking the link to her site that was provided to me.

Don't have to. I've read enough on her case to know she's a nut who would happily strip voting and civic rights from Asians, except herself of course, never mind that she's a pure blood Filipino.

You know what? Enough stupid flamebait from Nicea Sancta.

*snip*

3- What is McCain's campaign going to claim now?

Posts from Nicea Sancta provides sufficiently accurate data to gauge the likely actions of the McCain campaign. One only needs to study his posting history on this thread to create a working model of expected tactics from the McCain campaign and probable methods of defeating them.

Do remember to thank him for aiding in McCain's defeat with his valuable insight come November 2008. It would be... ironic. :)

It might have been the zip code for another residence. She has a couple. If there were more than three it's entirely possible to get locked out before getting the correct one.

True, I wonder if she has seven houses like McCain.

Also a small aside here: Why the hell is Nicea Sancta not talking about the THREATS to these women? I mean, surely physical threats are a tad more serious than e-mail hacking. Or they don't deserve any protection because they dare to disagree with Nicea Sancta?

At the time, it wasn't on there as far as I know. There was an attempt to get in when her e-mail was first published, but the three or four people who tried all got the zip code wrong and got the account temporarily locked.

It's Wasilla, Alaska, pop. 9,000. How many zip codes can it possibly have?

It's Wasilla, Alaska, pop. 9,000. How many zip codes can it possibly have?

I believe the problem is that she has multiple residences. And to answer your specific question, I believe Wasilla has 2 zip codes.

I believe the problem is that she has multiple residences. And to answer your specific question, I believe Wasilla has 2 zip codes.

Yeah, I should haveread that. That sounds like waste in and of itself, why does Wasilla need 2 post offices?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8d738b3127ccec573649f976100000040O00IYsmrNo2csQe3nwI/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D480/ry%3D320/

That is just the way things are with running-mates.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8d738b3127ccec5731c3f97fd00000040O00IYsmrNo2csQe3nwI/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D480/ry%3D320/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_4GfAsKvGU

Perhaps there IS hope, after all. When you get more than 20 people together in Anchorage, it's a fairly big deal. Here's a textual account that was emailed to me today. It actually made me feel better...slightly.

I'm supposed to have a question or a point for debate, and all I can think of is "Thank God someone's standing up" and "YAY ALASKA!"



The email I got had photos, but I couldn't link them from Web mail. I'm sure a Google search will show you some of the more creative signs. One of my favorites was "GOD'S WILL is NOT a FOREIGN POLICY!"
I take news of this with a grain of Salt.

what troubles me with your article.

1) Sounds like a blog

2) there are professional protesters. people who are paid to 'beef' up the attendance. so anything that proclaims 'success due to the number of people' is suspect to me. and this includes fundraisers as well. ;)

3) One of those media outlets was KBYR radio, home of Eddie Burke, a long-time uber-conservative Anchorage talk show host. Turns out that Eddie Burke not only announced the rally, but called the people who planned to attend the rally "a bunch of socialist baby-killing maggots," and read the home phone numbers of the organizers aloud over the air, urging listeners to call and tell them what they thought. The women, of course, received some nasty, harassing and threatening messages.
if those numbers are posted on the flyer. then ok. but if not... isn't it against the law or at least open to legal action to publically broadcast people's phone numbers?

Either way, this doesn't change nor boost any of my viewpoints of Palin, McCain, Obama, Bidden or any of the 2008 candidates.

Also a small aside here: Why the hell is Nicea Sancta not talking about the THREATS to these women? I mean, surely physical threats are a tad more serious than e-mail hacking. Or they don't deserve any protection because they dare to disagree with Nicea Sancta?

and since these threats came at the prompting of some radio personality...

and since these threats came at the prompting of some radio personality...

You mean like Rush Limbaugh, that openly hoped for (and tried to cause) riots, property damage and death in the Democratic convention?

You mean like Rush Limbaugh, that openly hoped for (and tried to cause) riots, property damage and death in the Democratic convention?

yep. I don't condone such actions from anyone.

It's Wasilla, Alaska, pop. 9,000. How many zip codes can it possibly have?

For the sake of interest, the state of Rhode Island has over 400 zip codes. Some cities have several, some buildings have several.

Let's see....
Member of one political party, feeling threatened by an influential member of another party resorts to felony invasion of privacy to steal that information. The main difference: Nixon got caught, and since he was a Republican, there was a large media outcry. Since the hacker in question and Gawker are liberals attacking a conservative, the media are just fine with it.

I don't know, maybe cry, that the collection of slip-and-fall lawyers and infanticide advocates known as liberals have resorted to the same tactics they claimed to despise when they were utilized by President Nixon.
But of course, felony is only disrespectable when a conservative commits it.

The assumption is made on the basis of the likelihood of the nature of the attack. As stated previously, I will grant you that this hacker attacked a highly influential government official for kicks, if you will grant me that Richard Nixon orchestrated the Watergate incident to mess up the place out of love of chaos.

I've repeatedly answered contentions to my claims to explain any apparent flaws. The details incidents were dissimiliar, but the tactics involved were identical; felony invasion of privacy of a highly influential government official.

Nixon attacked the Democrats because of his fear of rising liberal sentiment in the nation. I submit that the hacker attacked Gov. Palin at this time, out of all possible yahoo email users, and out of all possible times, due to the recent rise in approval for the McCain-Palin ticket she has generated.

As previously stated, if you wish to deny this, the obvious motive, in favor of the "He just wanted some kicks" theory, then you must also allow me the similar liberty of denying Nixon's political motivations in favor of the "He just wanted to mess up the place and cause general chaos" theory.

Of course I will allow for that possibility, presuming you will allow for the possibility that Richard M. Nixon orchestrated the break-in and ransacking of DNC records in the Watergate hotel room for the sole purpose of messing up the place and causing general havoc.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/599/trollrepellentff2.png (http://imageshack.us)


If you're truly this paranoid, you need help. Personally, I suspect you're only faking being this disingenuous.


Oh, and it's rather obvious that your assumption was made because it's what you want to believe, not on the educated guess you implied.

One lone hacker (or even an organized pack of hackers) does not equate to Watergate, boy-o.

Heh, try "One lone Internet user clicking 'password retrieval' and a potential Vice-President too stupid to set a security question other than 'What is your zip code?'".

Calling it hacking is like calling me a ninja for slipping on a banana skin. :tongue:

Don't have to. I've read enough on her case to know she's a nut who would happily strip voting and civic rights from Asians, except herself of course, never mind that she's a pure blood Filipino.

No, I mean I don't have a source of her getting e-mailed by the guy.

For the sake of interest, the state of Rhode Island has over 400 zip codes. Some cities have several, some buildings have several.

Rhode Island also has what, twice the population of Alaska?

Rhode Island also has what, twice the population of Alaska?

Wiki sez:
Alaska 683,478
Rhode Island 1,057,832

Were I bored enough, and I'm not. I'd run through the AK zip codes and count 'em up.

Wow, yet another anti-Palin thread. You liberals must really be starting to get scared of the McCain-Palin powerhouse.
Next thing we know, liberals will resort to using Watergate-style tactics to gain felonious access to her personal records and then illegally distributing them to the public...
Whoops, too late! Looks like the liberals sink lower faster than I can anticipate the depths of their depravity.

Wait, are you talking about the Annonymous hack? And are you actually suggesting by your Watergate comparison that this was orchestrated by the Democratic Party?:D

And its no powerhouse. Ellectoral College math gives Obama a substancial edge. He's put normally garunteed red states including Colorado, and Indiana in play. No, the McCain Campaign is no powerhouse at all. Its an old, sick horse soon to be coughing away the last of its life on the sidelines of American politics.

No. I'm equating them. This is exactly the kind of activity I expect from the liberal smear machine, from an ideology with no respect for personal freedom or responsibility.

Wow, you are probably one of the dumbest people I've ever met. you're comparing a breakin of party headquarters which was then covered up by the President of the United States to the actions of some fringe hacker or group of hackers? That's idiotic. Or are you suggesting that the hack was in fact organized by the Democratic Party, in which case you are a defamatory troll.

As for this "liberal smere machine", which party's supporters engaged in an attempt to lable Obama as a Muslim with terrorist afilliations? To name just one example. Or do you just assume any story is true as long as it comes from the right?

And speaking of respect for personal freedom, I'll take your baseless acusation with zero supporting evidence and do you one better. How about Guantanamo? Or secret prisons? Or torture of prisoners? Or let's try responsibillity. How about refusing to testify? How about palin not accepting any interviews? How about McCain changing his story at any oportunity where a cheap flip-flop might benefit him?

Really, if you're going to genneralize about all liberals, lumping us all togeather as a bunch of smering criminal hackers soley for having a political affilliation in oposision to your own, you could at least try to offer some evidence instead of making wild, vauge, and unsupported claims.:rolleyes:

I don't know, maybe cry, that the collection of slip-and-fall lawyers and infanticide advocates known as liberals have resorted to the same tactics they claimed to despise when they were utilized by President Nixon.
But of course, felony is only disrespectable when a conservative commits it.

Strange, I neither have a law degree nor advocate infanticide, but I am a liberal. And I gennerally do despise fellonies regardless of who commits them. Their is simply no evidence that Obama or the DNC were behind this, as opposed to Watergate, where their is very good evidence that the Republican party was behind it.

Heh, try "One lone Internet user clicking 'password retrieval' and a potential Vice-President too stupid to set a security question other than 'What is your zip code?'".

Calling it hacking is like calling me a ninja for slipping on a banana skin. :tongue:

Sweet :D

No, no, this has provided significant data on how the Republican attack machine (RAM) will respond to this. As a troll, NS is a remarkable weather vane by which to judge how the RAM will act on this. We can infer from his acts on this thread that the RAM will respond to the protest by raising other issues and trying to play "Palin is a victim of a hacker" lines so as to drown this out.

He can blather however much he wants, giving valuable information as how to beat the RAM. Feeding him is necessary evil, but one with significant use.

I hadn't thought of it that way -- thanks for the illumination.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9115158&intsrc=hm_list

Democrat Tennessee legislator confirms son is at center of Palin hack chatter.

Save a golf clap for yourself.

*sigh*

Did you even read your own link? I mean, beyond the part that agreed with your pre-made-up mind? The article itself says they're still looking for the hacker. You call that conclusive?

Not only that, but the kid from Tennessee and son of a state-level Democratic legislator couldn't possibly be a hacker doing it for fun? Tell you what: when the kid is questioned by authorities and arrested for the crime, tried and convicted (or confesses and accepts judgment), I'll gladly concede that the motivation was political.

However, I'll still wager, at that point, that it was little more than "Dad's a Democrat, she's a Republican, I'll hack for fun AND help Dad's party". That as opposed to the notion that there's some grand conspiracy behind it AT ALL, let alone one that's a hundredth of the level of complexity seen at Watergate.

Yeah, I should haveread that. That sounds like waste in and of itself, why does Wasilla need 2 post offices?

Psst. Alaska's big. Very big. Bigger than Texas. The cities there tend to spread out to large areas in order to catch as much tax base as possible. You'd be surprised how far city limits can extend when 9,000 people really don't want neighbors too close.

I take news of this with a grain of Salt.

what troubles me with your article.

1) Sounds like a blog

2) there are professional protesters. people who are paid to 'beef' up the attendance. so anything that proclaims 'success due to the number of people' is suspect to me. and this includes fundraisers as well. ;)

3)
if those numbers are posted on the flyer. then ok. but if not... isn't it against the law or at least open to legal action to publically broadcast people's phone numbers?

Either way, this doesn't change nor boost any of my viewpoints of Palin, McCain, Obama, Bidden or any of the 2008 candidates.

Fair enough.

Heh, try "One lone Internet user clicking 'password retrieval' and a potential Vice-President too stupid to set a security question other than 'What is your zip code?'".

Calling it hacking is like calling me a ninja for slipping on a banana skin. :tongue:

Outstanding analogy, and well said.

I think I've solved the NS problem, at least for me. She's now officially on my ignore list. She's in good company - the hyperconservative NS and the hyper liberal Fass now reside together.
Shouldn't that combination make the internet explode? Or perhaps create Captain Planet?

Where they can make sweet, sweet hyperlove and give rise to a hypermoderate baby?

:D :D :D
Ew.

I'd like to say I'm happy to see so many Alaskans coming out against Sarah Palin, but that would force me to recognize Alaska as a real place. I just can't do that, sorry.

Psst. Alaska's big. Very big. Bigger than Texas. The cities there tend to spread out to large areas in order to catch as much tax base as possible. You'd be surprised how far city limits can extend when 9,000 people really don't want neighbors too close.

Lie. Nowhere's bigger than Texas. :p

But seriously, hire a couple extra mail carriers and run some rural routes instead of an entirely separate building + the administration involved?

Wow, yet another anti-Palin thread. You liberals must really be starting to get scared of the McCain-Palin powerhouse.
Next thing we know, liberals will resort to using Watergate-style tactics to gain felonious access to her personal records and then illegally distributing them to the public...
Whoops, too late! Looks like the liberals sink lower faster than I can anticipate the depths of their depravity.

Anonymous is liberal?

Anonymous, as in 4chan, as in /b/, as in the worst people you can find on the internet?

Sir, do you have a reliable source saying Anonymous is (Are?) liberal and wouldn't do the same thing to Obama in a heartbeat?

Oh wow, this thread is bigger than I thought. Whoops.

Ew.

I'd like to say I'm happy to see so many Alaskans coming out against Sarah Palin, but that would force me to recognize Alaska as a real place. I just can't do that, sorry.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=Map+of+Alaska&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=image

Sorry. :tongue:

Lie. Nowhere's bigger than Texas. :p

But seriously, hire a couple extra mail carriers and run some rural routes instead of an entirely separate building + the administration involved?

I spent a year in Texas one summer.

As far as ZIP administration goes, that's something you'll have to ask the Postal Service. I imagine it has something to do with both population and area, but whether independently or together or indeed how at all it's determined, I have no idea. Google might know, and since you seem to want to know far more than I do, I suggest you get clickin'.

I spent a year in Texas one summer.

As far as ZIP administration goes, that's something you'll have to ask the Postal Service. I imagine it has something to do with both population and area, but whether independently or together or indeed how at all it's determined, I have no idea. Google might know, and since you seem to want to know far more than I do, I suggest you get clickin'.

Hmm...Do I care enough to do the requisite research....nah. Football's on.
You win.

Anonymous is liberal?

Anonymous, as in 4chan, as in /b/, as in the worst people you can find on the internet?

Sir, do you have a reliable source saying Anonymous is (Are?) liberal and wouldn't do the same thing to Obama in a heartbeat?

Yeah, seriously. Anonymous happily targets all with nigh equal furor, though I wouldn't be surprised if Obama was actually more targeted because he's black.

YTMND is bad enough on this score. Take this, for example:

http://obamainbox.ytmnd.com/

Because racism is funny! :rolleyes:

Last I heard the most supported candidate on 4chan was Dawkter Ron Paul.

Last I heard the most supported candidate on 4chan was Dawkter Ron Paul.

Ron Paul does have a lot of support on the internet. He, like Barack Obama, understood--at least to some extent--just how important and influential it could be, and made some decent use for it.

Unfortunately--for him, and fortunately for us--it didn't make much of a difference since his internet supporters did not translate into anywhere near as many supporters showing up for him in person as it has, does, and will continue to do so for Obama.

I spent a year in Texas one summer.

That sentence is awesome. I want to hang out with it on Sundays, smoking pot, listening to The Doobie Brothers, and eating salty snacks.