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Scientific Investigation of Near Death Experiences

Kyronea
18-09-2008, 15:49
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm

Study into near-death experiences
By Jane Dreaper
Health correspondent, BBC News

A large study is to examine near-death experiences in cardiac arrest patients.

Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.

Some people report seeing a tunnel or bright light, others recall looking down from the ceiling at medical staff.

The study, due to take three years and co-ordinated by Southampton University, will include placing on shelves images that could only be seen from above.

This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study
Dr Sam Parnia
University of Southampton

To test this, the researchers have set up special shelving in resuscitation areas. The shelves hold pictures - but they're visible only from the ceiling.

Dr Sam Parnia, who is heading the study, said: "If you can demonstrate that consciousness continues after the brain switches off, it allows for the possibility that the consciousness is a separate entity.

"It is unlikely that we will find many cases where this happens, but we have to be open-minded.

"And if no one sees the pictures, it shows these experiences are illusions or false memories.

"This is a mystery that we can now subject to scientific study."

Dr Parnia works as an intensive care doctor, and felt from his daily duties that science had not properly explored the issue of near-death experiences.

Process of death

He said: "Contrary to popular perception, death is not a specific moment.

"It is a process that begins when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working and the brain ceases functioning - a medical condition termed cardiac arrest.

"During a cardiac arrest, all three criteria of death are present. There then follows a period of time, which may last from a few seconds to an hour or more, in which emergency medical efforts may succeed in restarting the heart and reversing the dying process.

"What people experience during this period of cardiac arrest provides a unique window of understanding into what we are all likely to experience during the dying process."

Dr Parnia and medical colleagues will analyse the brain activity of 1,500 cardiac arrest survivors, and see whether they can recall the images in the pictures.

Hospitals involved include Addenbrookes in Cambridge, University Hospital in Birmingham and the Morriston in Swansea, as well as nine hospitals in the US.
I'm pretty sure this has been done before, but as with any other type of science, this bears more research and experimentation.

Although I've got a good idea about what will be concluded.

Have you had any near death experiences? I have not, and hopefully never will.
Damor
18-09-2008, 16:04
I hope they make it double blind; if the researchers know what images are up on the shelves, they could lead the patients. And that's just not good science.

I hope they don't waste too much money on this.
Yootopia
18-09-2008, 16:06
Thought I was about to die in a plane trip on the way back from Auschwitz when we were in massive crosswinds and the plane nearly crashed into Leeds. That might count. Just felt REALLY AMAZING to have lived and such.
Khadgar
18-09-2008, 16:07
Should be interesting. I've had my heart stop before, and aside from it being an odd feeling noticed nothing.
Peepelonia
18-09-2008, 16:17
yep should be interesting, I agree with the double blind issue. I have been dead before but I don't remember seeing any tunnel or such like.
Ad Nihilo
18-09-2008, 16:19
Well it would indeed be a very intriguing finding, but I remain quite sceptical at this point.
Neu Leonstein
18-09-2008, 23:06
I have been in a situation in which I could have died or gotten badly hurt, when the car I was driving rolled twice after I lost control at 120 or so km/h. But there was no time for any bright lights or any emotions other than being incredibly pissed off at my car being destroyed.

Maybe you have to be aware of the situation and mentally prepared for it to work.
Self-sacrifice
19-09-2008, 01:11
but a double blind issue would weaken the results they want to create. You cant have that
Peepelonia
19-09-2008, 12:46
but a double blind issue would weaken the results they want to create. You cant have that

Ohhh quite the little sceptic huh!:D
Snafturi
19-09-2008, 14:01
That has been done before. Last time, not one person read the signs above the lights. Of course the NDE supporters were like "duh, they had better stuff to look at."
Gift-of-god
19-09-2008, 14:30
That has been done before. Last time, not one person read the signs above the lights. Of course the NDE supporters were like "duh, they had better stuff to look at."

Do you have a source for this?
Agenda07
19-09-2008, 18:30
I hope they make it double blind; if the researchers know what images are up on the shelves, they could lead the patients. And that's just not good science.

I hope they don't waste too much money on this.

If the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1057506/Scientists-uncover-truth-body-experiences.html)'s to be believed they probably won't be double blind:

Now - in the biggest study of its kind - scientists are to examine the near-death experiences of 1,500 hospital patients to see if out-of-body experiences are real or just a trick of the mind.

During the three-year investigation, doctors will place pictures on shelves high up in hospital rooms so that they can be seen only from above.

Notice that 'scientists' are doing the research but 'doctors' are placing the pictures.

Then again maybe I'm reading too much into the Daily Fail's prose style. :tongue: