NationStates Jolt Archive

I am currently in a really bad mood and this is the reason:

The Pirate Party is known for it’s battle against the ever increasing government surveillance on the public. So, when an anonymous whistleblower sent them a internal document which showed that the government went as far as installing trojans on computers, they didn’t hesitate to publish it.
German authorities weren’t too happy about the leak, which might be illegal according to a criminal law specialist, and went after the source. Earlier this week police searched the home of the Pirate Party spokesperson where they hoped to find more information. In addition to the home search, a server from another party member was seized. The server, however, was fully encrypted, so chances are low that it will uncover the whistleblower.


More info here (http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-official-raided-after-uncovering-state-trojan-080917/)

A similar case against the Cicero was ruled illegal, but that does of course not stop the Bavarian police. What do you think, should the police be allowed to do such things instead of getting their own leaks under control? I surely don't think so (we won't even get to the fact that the info is about a probably horribly illegal thing)!

I am currently in a really bad mood and this is the reason:



More info here (http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-official-raided-after-uncovering-state-trojan-080917/)

A similar case against the Cicero was ruled illegal, but that does of course not stop the Bavarian police. What do you think, should the police be allowed to do such things instead of getting their own leaks under control? I surely don't think so (we won't even get to the fact that the info is about a probably horribly illegal thing)!

Yeah, they probably should. They are investigating a crime, and presumably required a search warrant (I'm not all that up on my German law). Leaked documents are illegal, and the police have the duty to investigate them.

Ownt via polis.

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Yeah, they probably should. They are investigating a crime, and presumably required a search warrant (I'm not all that up on my German law). Leaked documents are illegal, and the police have the duty to investigate them.

This. Don't blame the police for shitty laws, blame the government.

The Australian police does this quite routinely. Just recently they raided the offices of a major newspaper (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2242557.htm) trying to find the source of a leak. I don't think they ever apologised, or even admitted to having ordered it.

But please don't take the Australian police as a yardstick. Those guys have no conception of civil liberties whatsoever.

Yeah, they probably should. They are investigating a crime, and presumably required a search warrant (I'm not all that up on my German law). Leaked documents are illegal, and the police have the duty to investigate them.No. (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero-Urteil) The absolute only defences the police can bring up are either A) the Constitutional Court ruling does not apply because the search was directed against a party and not a journalist (which is a tad dubious), or B) that they had more evidence than they did in the Cicero case. The police most certainly have limits as to how far they can go in the investigations due to the laws in place, and it's quite possible they broke those laws.

This. Don't blame the police for shitty laws, blame the government.Rejistania is blaming the police for breaking those laws, here.

No. (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero-Urteil) The absolute only defences the police can bring up are either A) the Constitutional Court ruling does not apply because the search was directed against a party and not a journalist (which is a tad dubious), or B) that they had more evidence than they did in the Cicero case. The police most certainly have limits as to how far they can go in the investigations due to the laws in place, and it's quite possible they broke those laws.

Ah, that's quite a different thing. The police should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the law; Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, after all.

Good to hear some people have the sense to encrypt their server. Hopefully they used a decent password.

I'm glad we don't have to put up with that type of government intrusion and surviellence here in the States. Oh, wait. Nevermind.

I'm glad we don't have to put up with that type of government intrusion and surviellence here in the States. Oh, wait. Nevermind.

What would you bitch about if our government was perfect?

I'm glad we don't have to put up with that type of government intrusion and surviellence here in the States. Oh, wait. Nevermind.

Are you insulting out freedom?