NationStates Jolt Archive

Obama Interferring with Negotiations. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/)
Troop Withdrawl negotiation interferrence. (http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-block-troop-withdrawal/)
Anybody heard anything about this? If this is even remotely true... Obama really messed up with this one. ''Demanding'' that a foreign government delay negotiations with his own government to use it as a campaign device? Putting his campaign before the well-being of our soldiers? I mean, honestly? Not only is that a felony in the United States, it's completely against his own stated policy.

Obama Interferring with Negotiations. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/)
Troop Withdrawl negotiation interferrence. (http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-block-troop-withdrawal/)
Anybody heard anything about this? If this is even remotely true... Obama really messed up with this one. ''Demanding'' that a foreign government delay negotiations with his own government to use it as a campaign device? Putting his campaign before the well-being of our soldiers? I mean, honestly? Not only is that a felony in the United States, it's completely agaisnt his own stated policy.

It is also here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

This should really hurt him if it is true but note that these are the unconfirmed words of an Iraqi government official. I should also note the way the media, and several Obamaics here, short-stroked the news that the Iraqis wanted a timetable for troop removal.

But if this does bear out it should give people notice as to the type of politician BHO really is. The man is willing to do anything and everything to become President, even delaying progress in Iraq.

:eek:blogs are reporting wild allegations against a democrat? *faints*

i dont know. im waiting for an article from a publication that i trust before i make a judgement on it.

Original Article (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm)

Amir Taheri?
Heh. I don't believe a word of what he's printing, so I won't waste a second on this before some credible journalists and sources show up.

Amir Taheri?
Heh. I don't believe a word of what he's printing, so I won't waste a second on this before some credible journalists and sources show up.

Which is why the OP put the disclaimer in. :p

Oh, wow. This Taheri guy is a horrible journalist.

Amir Taheri?
Heh. I don't believe a word of what he's printing, so I won't waste a second on this before some credible journalists and sources show up.And how many seconds did it take for you to type that up? =P

I really don't know what to do do. Between Sarah "Family Values" Palin using her family as a campaign tool ("we're so glad she chose life" and "we want to support special needs children" and "our son [read felony vandalism, drug addiction] is a hero in Iraq") and Obama possibly, just possibly, interfering with international policy for his own ends, I may write in LG.

I really don't know what to do do. Between Sarah "Family Values" Palin using her family as a campaign tool ("we're so glad she chose life" and "we want to support special needs children" and "our son [read felony vandalism, drug addiction] is a hero in Iraq") and Obama possibly, just possibly, interfering with international policy for his own ends, I may write in LG.

Yes, being proud of your family, warts and all, is quite like manipulating the lives of our military members for political gain. Good show!

And how many seconds did it take for you to type that up? =P

Gravlen is one with his keyboard. It's like that Power Glove thing from Nintendo way back in the day, but his hands aren't drenched in sweat.

EDIT: Oh, right... and it actually serves a purpose. :p

Yes, being proud of your family, warts and all, is quite like manipulating the lives of our military members for political gain. Good show!
Oh, come now.

Must we have 60+ pages of, "your desired politician is an evil, puss-filled bag of lies and broken promises, whole my politician is a saint."?

They're both ****s, they just come in different flavours.

Yes, being proud of your family, warts and all, is quite like manipulating the lives of our military members for political gain. Good show!Shot gun weddings are all about manipulating people into doing what they don't want or weren't sure about. =D

Shot gun weddings are all about manipulating people into doing what they don't want or weren't sure about. =D

Shotgun weddings are a proud American tradition.

Any credible sources yet?

So the crux of this argument seems to be that Obama was not presenting himself as junior senator from Illinois when he made the request, but as the "next President of the United States"?

Any credible sources yet?

I'm waiting for Fox News to put it up any second now... :p

Oh, come now.

Must we have 60+ pages of, "your desired politician is an evil, puss-filled bag of lies and broken promises, whole my politician is a saint."?

They're both ****s, they just come in different flavours.

None with my name attached to it.

For the record, Obama is not evil or puss-filled. He is merely a ultra-liberal Democrat whose policies are wrong for my country and that is all. Not to mention his ties to the Chicago political machine. I am not voting for McCain rather I am voting against Obama.

Yes, being proud of your family, warts and all, is quite like manipulating the lives of our military members for political gain. Good show!

What, like starting a war in the middle east?

Shot gun weddings are all about manipulating people into doing what they don't want or weren't sure about. =D

By all means, tell me how they are forcing this boy to marry her daughter. I would like to see where he says this.

Oh, and provide me answer as to how your comparison is valid. Your snide remark was not an answer or justification for such an ignorant statement.

So the crux of this argument seems to be that Obama was not presenting himself as junior senator from Illinois when he made the request, but as the "next President of the United States"?
the crux of the argument is that obama would have done such a thing to begin with.

if he did, it is troubling on many many levels.

i doubt he did it but its not out of the question, he IS a politician after all.

Shotgun weddings are a proud American tradition.

Right up there with Baseball, fireworks, Apple Pie and installing non-communist dictators in foreign countries who are sympathetic to our national interest(s).

It's kind of like a shotgun wedding, with the foreign country as the groom.

I'm waiting for Fox News to put it up any second now... :p

Oh I think Drudge will trot it out first. Without bothering to fact check of course. So much easier and more damaging to your opponent to print rumors in 22 point font and retractions in 1 point.

What, like starting a war in the middle east?

So McCain started the war in the Middle East? Did Palin? Obama didn't and neither did Biden. I don't believe any of our candidates have done so to boost the chances of their campaigns.

Does a snide comment actually cover such ignorance?

And how many seconds did it take for you to type that up? =P
I didn't time it - and I'm not that slow! :tongue:

Gravlen is one with his keyboard.
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Gravlen/NSG/Smilies%20and%20animated%20stuff/happy077.gif

By all means, tell me how they are forcing this boy to marry her daughter. I would like to see where he says this. I've seen the kid on the footage of the RNC. He's pretty damn uncomfortable being on that stage. Given Sarah "Baracuda" Palin's record on aggressive politics, I imagine it's because not only is he in hot water for impregnating an abstinence only Republican Governor's teen daughter, he's got the entire GOP to contend with now that Palin's the VP pick.
Oh, and provide me answer as to how your comparison is valid. Your snide remark was not an answer or justification for such an ignorant statement.Come now, it's not that hard to see.

Oh I think Drudge will trot it out first. Without bothering to fact check of course. So much easier and more damaging to your opponent to print rumors in 22 point font and retractions in 1 point.

It doesn't matter, really, what font retractions are printed in. Since when do people read or even care, for that matter, about retractions after the fact?

At least, nowadays...

Does a snide comment actually cover such ignorance?

What am I? A right wing blogger ranting in the bloatosphere?

I've seen the kid on the footage of the RNC. He's pretty damn uncomfortable being on that stage. Given Sarah "Baracuda" Palin's record on aggressive politics, I imagine it's because not only is he in hot water for impregnating an abstinence only Republican Governor's teen daughter, he's got the entire GOP to contend with now that Palin's the VP pick.
Come now, it's not that hard to see.

IIRC, Palin made a comment about abstinence being the "most effective" form of birth control, but not a reason for not passing out condoms and BC pills.

I can't even remember where I found this, so you may as well ignore this if you feel so obliged, but a bit of digging may just turn up this little nugget. Or the comment may just be a lie. Like the cake I'm not eating.

I've seen the kid on the footage of the RNC. He's pretty damn uncomfortable being on that stage. Given Sarah "Baracuda" Palin's record on aggressive politics, I imagine it's because not only is he in hot water for impregnating an abstinence only Republican Governor's teen daughter, he's got the entire GOP to contend with now that Palin's the VP pick.

So you got nothing but your imagination? Cool. I live in the world of facts and evidence so I can dismiss your imagination. The kid didn't have to show up to the GOP convention. In my imagination some families accept the father into the family with warmth and compassion. I am sure some don't but I don't assume the worst just because someone is uncomfortable on stage.

Come now, it's not that hard to see.

Once again, nothing. I suppose snide and innuendo is all you have to give.

IIRC, Palin made a comment about abstinence being the "most effective" form of birth control, but not a reason for not passing out condoms and BC pills.

I can't even remember where I found this, so you may as well ignore this if you feel so obliged, but a bit of digging may just turn up this little nugget. Or the comment may just be a lie. Like the cake I'm not eating.What Palin said is rather irrelevant, seeing as she supported abstinence only programs in Alaska during her tenure. Actions speaking louder than words and all that.

Obama Interferring with Negotiations. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/)
Troop Withdrawl negotiation interferrence. (http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-block-troop-withdrawal/)
Anybody heard anything about this? If this is even remotely true... Obama really messed up with this one. ''Demanding'' that a foreign government delay negotiations with his own government to use it as a campaign device? Putting his campaign before the well-being of our soldiers? I mean, honestly? Not only is that a felony in the United States, it's completely against his own stated policy.

It's a lie.

It is based on a fact - as reported three months ago via, for example, MSNBC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx

"Obama and the Iraqi foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that's currently made".

In other words - in discussion of Status of Force agreements, and strategic frameworks, Obama and the Iraq Foreign Minister decided it would be unfair for WHICHEVER party wins Novembers elections to be held too strongly to agreements that might be rushed through before November.

There was no 'demand' and there was no 'felony'. There was no wrongdoing, and everything has been done openly and explicitly, thus far.

This is a cheap and deliberate attempt to smear based on misrepresentation of already revealed facts.

Whoever this journalist is, he's a hack.

So you got nothing but your imagination? Cool. I live in the world of facts and evidence so I can dismiss your imagination. The kid didn't have to show up to the GOP convention. In my imagination some families accept the father into the family with warmth and compassion. I am sure some don't but I don't assume the worst just because someone is uncomfortable on stage.So much for your world of facts and evidence.
Once again, nothing. I suppose snide and innuendo is all you have to give.Meh. That's all I see you doing.

It doesn't matter, really, what font retractions are printed in. Since when do people read or even care, for that matter, about retractions after the fact?

At least, nowadays...

It should be noted that all the initial posts eluded to confirmation of the facts before judging Obama. I am not at all in love with this man's policies or political ties but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt. A benefit that many here have no capacity to provide considering the immediate attack on Palin and her family.

It should be noted that all the initial posts eluded to confirmation of the facts before judging Obama. I am not at all in love with this man's policies or political ties but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt. A benefit that many here have no capacity to provide considering the immediate attack on Palin and her family.
oh was something untrue brought up about palin and her family?

Whoever this journalist is, he's a hack.

Oh, he's not a journalist. For one to be a journalist, one has to be a person first.

It's a lie.

It is based on a fact - as reported three months ago via, for example, MSNBC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx



In other words - in discussion of Status of Force agreements, and strategic frameworks, Obama and the Iraq Foreign Minister decided it would be unfair for WHICHEVER party wins Novembers elections to be held too strongly to agreements that might be rushed through before November.

There was no 'demand' and there was no 'felony'. There was no wrongdoing, and everything has been done openly and explicitly, thus far.

This is a cheap and deliberate attempt to smear based on misrepresentation of already revealed facts.

Whoever this journalist is, he's a hack.

Someone with 23 posts lied to us?

It should be noted that all the initial posts eluded to confirmation of the facts before judging Obama. I am not at all in love with this man's policies or political ties but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt. A benefit that many here have no capacity to provide considering the immediate attack on Palin and her family.Hilarious, because earlier you berated me for a comparison that was apparently not valid and then you go by comparing alleged coercion to an alleged felony. Nice double standard you're waving for Palin there.

Also, who attacked her family?

oh was something untrue brought up about palin and her family?

Just the usual. Don't worry your pretty little head over it.

Just the usual. Don't worry your pretty little head over it.

so in other words, you can't answer the question.

so in other words, you can't answer the question.

See no evil.

Just the usual. Don't worry your pretty little head over it.

Sexist.

Hilarious, because earlier you berated me for a comparison that was apparently not valid and then you go by comparing alleged coercion to an alleged felony. Nice double standard you're waving for Palin there.

Perhaps your stupidities would mean more if you could point out what you are talking about. Any quotes of mine to offer? I don't believe I agreed that Obama would be felony material, only that it would be bad for his campaign if this were true. The whole Logan Act thing is reach, and a bad reach at that.

Just the usual.

Well theres only three pages in the thread...can't be that hard to find...

Just the usual. Don't worry your pretty little head over it.

the things i have seen about her family have all been true with the poster's opinion of what that might mean being added.

with, i suppose, a bit of meaningless speculation like ... having the engagement of her 5 months pregnant daughter only happen after palin's pick as vp noiminee mean that probably the baby-daddy wasnt all that enthusiastic about it.

so in other words, you can't answer the question.

There was a question? Sometimes it is hard to pick out what you guys believe is funny and what you truly believe.

I now return this thread to it's original intent: the discussion of whether or not Obama is using our military in Iraq as a political chess piece.

I now return this thread to it's original intent: the discussion of whether or not Obama is using our military in Iraq as a political chess piece.

He isn't.

Now wheres the claim about Palin you mentioned?

There was a question? Sometimes it is hard to pick out what you guys believe is funny and what you truly believe.

I now return this thread to it's original intent: the discussion of whether or not Obama is using our military in Iraq as a political chess piece.

It's a lie.

It is based on a fact - as reported three months ago via, for example, MSNBC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx



In other words - in discussion of Status of Force agreements, and strategic frameworks, Obama and the Iraq Foreign Minister decided it would be unfair for WHICHEVER party wins Novembers elections to be held too strongly to agreements that might be rushed through before November.

There was no 'demand' and there was no 'felony'. There was no wrongdoing, and everything has been done openly and explicitly, thus far.

This is a cheap and deliberate attempt to smear based on misrepresentation of already revealed facts.

Whoever this journalist is, he's a hack.

For the love of God, the thread's only four pages. It's not that hard to read.

There was a question? Sometimes it is hard to pick out what you guys believe is funny and what you truly believe.

I now return this thread to it's original intent: the discussion of whether or not Obama is using our military in Iraq as a political chess piece.

It's a lie.

It is based on a fact - as reported three months ago via, for example, MSNBC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx



In other words - in discussion of Status of Force agreements, and strategic frameworks, Obama and the Iraq Foreign Minister decided it would be unfair for WHICHEVER party wins Novembers elections to be held too strongly to agreements that might be rushed through before November.

There was no 'demand' and there was no 'felony'. There was no wrongdoing, and everything has been done openly and explicitly, thus far.

This is a cheap and deliberate attempt to smear based on misrepresentation of already revealed facts.

Whoever this journalist is, he's a hack.

answered.

for the love of god, the thread's only four pages. It's not that hard to read.
stop that!

Perhaps your stupidities would mean more if you could point out what you are talking about. Any quotes of mine to offer? Well, here goes:
Oh, and provide me answer as to how your comparison is valid.
It should be noted that all the initial posts eluded to confirmation of the facts before judging Obama. I am not at all in love with this man's policies or political ties but he does deserve the benefit of the doubt. A benefit that many here have no capacity to provide considering the immediate attack on Palin and her family.
I don't believe I agreed that Obama would be felony material, only that it would be bad for his campaign if this were true. The whole Logan Act thing is reach, and a bad reach at that.I believe that's what they refer to as "alleged". Funny coincidence... That's exactly what I called it when referring to your comparison!

There was a question? You can use the green arrows to track back along the quotes to find it, or you can just answer it here, seeing as I went through the ten seconds of trouble of finding it:
oh was something untrue brought up about palin and her family?

stop that!

Having trouble out-typing the youngins? :p Yes, that was ageist, but still, funny.

For the love of God, the thread's only four pages. It's not that hard to read.

Just as I didn't trust the initial source I am loathe to believe MSNBC as a source that reveals the truth considering their love of all things Obama. But it does give me more to go on and more than likely this is being made into something more than what was first reported. If it does prove true, which it still could, then it is not good for Obama. Just as I initially stated.

See kids? That is how thinking people work through a news story. Give it a whirl and tell me how it works for you.

Having trouble out-typing the youngins? :p Yes, that was ageist, but still, funny.
GET OFF MY LAWN!

*scowl*

GET OFF MY LAWN!

*scowl*

But I'm mowing the lawn... :(

It's a lie.

It is based on a fact - as reported three months ago via, for example, MSNBC.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx



In other words - in discussion of Status of Force agreements, and strategic frameworks, Obama and the Iraq Foreign Minister decided it would be unfair for WHICHEVER party wins Novembers elections to be held too strongly to agreements that might be rushed through before November.

There was no 'demand' and there was no 'felony'. There was no wrongdoing, and everything has been done openly and explicitly, thus far.

This is a cheap and deliberate attempt to smear based on misrepresentation of already revealed facts.
I suspected as much. Thank you.

Whoever this journalist is, he's a hack.
That he is, and that he has been for quite some time now.

He has no credibility whatsoever in my book.

Having trouble out-typing the youngins? :p Yes, that was ageist, but still, funny.
She's not at one with the keyboard, like I am ;)

GET OFF MY LAWN!

*scowl*

Never!

I HAVE COME TO STAND ON YOUR LAWN AND CHEW BUBBLEGUM...

...AND I'M ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!

In my original post, I didn't claim that Obama actually did anything. Hence the question. It's not an accusation, it's a question to satisfy my curiosity.

See kids? That is how thinking people work through a news story. Give it a whirl and tell me how it works for you.

So, what, you're a troll?

So, what, you're a troll?The constant implications that we're stupid and don't think should've tipped you off by now...

But I'm mowing the lawn... :(
oh.

here's your $5. good job.

oh.

here's your $5. good job.

Heh, that won't even buy lunch... :p

oh.

here's your $5. good job.

Yay! *happy dance*

*accidentally kicks lawnmower into your begonias*

Never!

I HAVE COME TO STAND ON YOUR LAWN AND CHEW BUBBLEGUM...

...AND I'M ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!
WHERE'S MY CANE!?

no really, where is my cane, i cant remember where i put it...

Obama Interferring with Negotiations. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/)
Troop Withdrawl negotiation interferrence. (http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-block-troop-withdrawal/)
Anybody heard anything about this? If this is even remotely true... Obama really messed up with this one. ''Demanding'' that a foreign government delay negotiations with his own government to use it as a campaign device? Putting his campaign before the well-being of our soldiers? I mean, honestly? Not only is that a felony in the United States, it's completely against his own stated policy.

In my original post, I didn't claim that Obama actually did anything. Hence the question. It's not an accusation, it's a question to satisfy my curiosity.



i think it was a fair OP that prompted discussion.

oh.

here's your $5. good job.
You should look into emo grass. It cuts itself.

'Twould've been better if the blogs weren't tainted by the Republican banner ads on the page, but I digress... Humans are naturally curious, blah blah blah.

Seriously, I expect this to get onto Faux News, somehow. It will make my day 7.42% cheerier.

WHERE'S MY CANE!?

no really, where is my cane, i cant remember where i put it...

http://www.liquidninjas.com/bbs/images/smilies/klan/oud.gif

Someone with 23 posts lied to us?

If it were just one person, I might have ignored it - I've seen that same story pop up in three or four different places, now.

http://www.liquidninjas.com/bbs/images/smilies/klan/oud.gif

I don't see no liquid ninj... OSHI-

Just as I didn't trust the initial source I am loathe to believe MSNBC as a source that reveals the truth considering their love of all things Obama.


That would be 'poisoning the well', and it's a logical fallacy.


But it does give me more to go on and more than likely this is being made into something more than what was first reported.


It was 'first reported' (of the two) in the source I presented, from MSNBC - three months before the other 'story'.


If it does prove true, which it still could, then it is not good for Obama. Just as I initially stated.


Which it still could? How?

They were open about it three months ago. Some hack writing an article relying on the fact that MOST people don't care what's happening NOW, much less REMEMBER what happened three months ago... it's not going to 'prove true'. There is no 'still could'.


See kids? That is how thinking people work through a news story. Give it a whirl and tell me how it works for you.

Patronising - considering I'm the one who went looking for corroboration, while you were hitching your horses to an opinion piece.

WHERE'S MY CANE!?

Currently running for President in an attempt to keep a stupid war going.

Wow. 5 pages on some wingnut's blog? This is clearly not a credible story, as is further evidenced by the fact that only TSF is defending it.


Bushiveks make me laugh.

That would be 'poisoning the well', and it's a logical fallacy.

Essentially, you (TSF) are letting claims of bias (be they true or otherwise) color your perception of a particular claim. The underlying point that is trying to be made is that the claim itself should be what is is investigated, regardless of who was the one to utter it.

GnI; Was I close?

Essentially, you (TSF) are letting claims of bias (be they true or otherwise) color your perception of a particular claim. The underlying point that is trying to be made is that the claim itself should be what is is investigated, regardless of who was the one to utter it.

GnI; Was I close?

That's it.

TSF is claiming that the source can't be trusted (in this case, MSNBC). Thus - he is effectively writing off the evidence it provides.

Which I might have let pass, if he (she?) wasn't lecturing other's about the proper way to evaluate sources.

It is also here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

This should really hurt him if it is true but note that these are the unconfirmed words of an Iraqi government official. I should also note the way the media, and several Obamaics here, short-stroked the news that the Iraqis wanted a timetable for troop removal.

But if this does bear out it should give people notice as to the type of politician BHO really is. The man is willing to do anything and everything to become President, even delaying progress in Iraq.

Proof that Obama will do anything to win an election? As opposed to the party that arguably stole two ellections, and who's current President vetoed paper trails for ellectronic voting machines.

Look, I don't beleive that Obama is deceitful enough to do this, or stupid enough. But it fits right in with the GOP bullshit about Obama "acting like he's already President" just for speaking at a historical site in a foreign country. Whereas its no doubt a possitive if McCain "acts Presidential". Until I see hard evidence, I will suspect this has all the truth of Sadam's WMD's.

And if this was true? I'd be disgusted, and I would probably stay home on ellection day. But objectively, I would still have to acknowledge that Obama would do less damage the John McCain. Obama's not going to apoint theocrats to the Supreme Court, start a potential world war in Iran, or follow the economic policies of the last eight years.

Oh, come now.

Must we have 60+ pages of, "your desired politician is an evil, puss-filled bag of lies and broken promises, whole my politician is a saint."?

They're both ****s, they just come in different flavours.

Your choice, Garlic Cheese or Onion Dip?

It is also here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

This should really hurt him if it is true but note that these are the unconfirmed words of an Iraqi government official. I should also note the way the media, and several Obamaics here, short-stroked the news that the Iraqis wanted a timetable for troop removal.

But if this does bear out it should give people notice as to the type of politician BHO really is. The man is willing to do anything and everything to become President, even delaying progress in Iraq.
I have a question. Why are you calling him BHO or otherwise referencing his middle name whenever you speak of him? (Honestly curious, with no judgment or anything behind the question.)

(I'd like it if there weren't sarcastic responses to this please, other people.)_

I have a question. Why are you calling him BHO or otherwise referencing his middle name whenever you speak of him? (Honestly curious, with no judgment or anything behind the question.)

(I'd like it if there weren't sarcastic responses to this please, other people.)_

The most likely reason is because he thinks Obama is a Muslim, or just wants others to think that.

Of course, a lot of that Muslim nonsense is probably just a cover for fear/hate of black men. And why do I bring it up in relation to this thread? Because its a good example of why not to take unproven rumores about Obama seriously.

I have a question. Why are you calling him BHO or otherwise referencing his middle name whenever you speak of him? (Honestly curious, with no judgment or anything behind the question.)

(I'd like it if there weren't sarcastic responses to this please, other people.)_

It's similar to how a few Democrats called Dubya "GWB." I haven't seen it lately, though.

Dunno if it's supposed to be derogatory - maybe some people think initials don't respect the person's full name, or something. I dunno.

It's similar to how a few Democrats called Dubya "GWB." I haven't seen it lately, though.

Dunno if it's supposed to be derogatory - maybe some people think initials don't respect the person's full name, or something. I dunno.

GWB makes sense, however, to keep from confusing current Bush with his father.

I'm not understanding the logic behind Smiling Frog's use of BHO.

It's similar to how a few Democrats called Dubya "GWB." I haven't seen it lately, though.

Dunno if it's supposed to be derogatory - maybe some people think initials don't respect the person's full name, or something. I dunno.

Well the GWB thing is to distinguish between Bush I and Bush II. Which can be difficult without the W.

GWB makes sense, however, to keep from confusing current Bush with his father.

I'm not understanding the logic behind Smiling Frog's use of BHO.

Fewer letters...?

Fewer letters...?

You are Christmahanikwanzikah.

Sounds like a rubbish story that noone should take seriously. Who is this Iraqi politician and why do you think his story is anything but snake oil.

I wouldn't waste my time on this one fellers! It's just a pre-election Obama bash....most probably a Republican trying to fly a kite.

Sounds like a rubbish story that noone should take seriously. Who is this Iraqi politician and why do you think his story is anything but snake oil.

I wouldn't waste my time on this one fellers! It's just a pre-election Obama bash....most probably a Republican trying to fly a kite.

Still got to shut them down. American politics of late has shown that playing the moral highground doesn't work, and people will remember a stupid made-up story longer than they'll remember the actual events.

To re-iterate my statement from earlier... I didn't claim that this was true, at all. I was curious to see the people's reactions to it, and to find out if it was actually true or not.

To re-iterate my statement from earlier... I didn't claim that this was true, at all. I was curious to see the people's reactions to it, and to find out if it was actually true or not.

What would have been wrong with finding out if it was true BEFORE you spread it like schoolyard gossip?

I'm undecided whether this was more of the sort of muckraking we've been seeing from rightwingers, or if it's just trolling.

What would have been wrong with finding out if it was true BEFORE you spread it like schoolyard gossip?

I'm undecided whether this was more of the sort of muckraking we've been seeing from rightwingers, or if it's just trolling.

Their's nothing wrong with asking questions. Its a free country, and its not like the story hasn't been soundly rebuked. I think "trolling" is a bit sever.

What would have been wrong with finding out if it was true BEFORE you spread it like schoolyard gossip?

I'm undecided whether this was more of the sort of muckraking we've been seeing from rightwingers, or if it's just trolling.

You seem to be reading a bit too much into it. He saw a story and wanted to know if it was true or not. He never implied that it was.

Obama Interferring with Negotiations. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/)
Troop Withdrawl negotiation interferrence. (http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-block-troop-withdrawal/)
Anybody heard anything about this? If this is even remotely true... Obama really messed up with this one. ''Demanding'' that a foreign government delay negotiations with his own government to use it as a campaign device? Putting his campaign before the well-being of our soldiers? I mean, honestly? Not only is that a felony in the United States, it's completely against his own stated policy.

I don't think it's true. I haven't seen an substantial evidence to support this. This is also an accusation that was levied at Ronald Reagan during his race against Carter. You know, the October Surprise.

I truely suspect it has as much weight as Obama is a Muslim. And many of the same people will beleive it.

By all means, tell me how they are forcing this boy to marry her daughter. I would like to see where he says this.
How about his MySpace page (now taken down, strangley enough) which had as one of his hobbies, "shooting shit and stuff" and stated catergorically that "I never want kids".
Hardly the stuff of a young man whose aim is to settle down and start a family.

And being as the media has been banned from interviewing the young couple, demanding proof as to his change in attitude is duplicitous at best.

I have a question. Why are you calling him BHO or otherwise referencing his middle name whenever you speak of him? (Honestly curious, with no judgment or anything behind the question.)

(I'd like it if there weren't sarcastic responses to this please, other people.)_

What else? Typical Bushevik tripe. By invoking Barack Hussein Obama, TSF is still trying to spread the Ebil Mozlem Manchurian Candidate for Bin Ladin myth that so many red staters have bought into.

What else? Typical Bushevik tripe. By invoking Barack Hussein Obama, TSF is still trying to spread the Ebil Mozlem Manchurian Candidate for Bin Ladin myth that so many red staters have bought into.

The real irony being that the one whose life fits the plot of that movie is McCain.

The real irony being that the one whose life fits the plot of that movie is McCain.

He was brainwashed in Vietnam and is trying to take over America for the communists![/Stuff made up as a joke]

I don't think it's true. I haven't seen an substantial evidence to support this. This is also an accusation that was levied at Ronald Reagan during his race against Carter. You know, the October Surprise.

Hmmm. Well, then even if it is true in the OP's case (and I don't think it's even close to true), the GOP can't make hay on it without opening the original October Surprise up to critical assault. If it was okay for Reagan....

How about his MySpace page (now taken down, strangley enough) which had as one of his hobbies, "shooting shit and stuff" and stated catergorically that "I never want kids".
Hardly the stuff of a young man whose aim is to settle down and start a family.

And being as the media has been banned from interviewing the young couple, demanding proof as to his change in attitude is duplicitous at best.

Well put. The guy got to shag some amazingly "dangerous game", which was in this case the daughter of the highest ranking elected politician in the state who is pro-abstinence and counting on her image as supermom to win points. He'll be scrubbed clean for the media, but you know he's high-fivin' this "achievement" with his buddies.

I'm not relishing that behavior, rather lamenting the attempts at whitewash.

The real irony being that the one whose life fits the plot of that movie is McCain.

Veeeeery interesting.

It's similar to how a few Democrats called Dubya "GWB." I haven't seen it lately, though.

Dunno if it's supposed to be derogatory - maybe some people think initials don't respect the person's full name, or something. I dunno.

That wasn't Democrats, that was the Bush campaign. In 2004 (and probably in 2000) they were selling T-shirts with 'W' on them, the emphasis on the W came largely from the campaign itself. It's not the same thing at all, really.

That wasn't Democrats, that was the Bush campaign. In 2004 (and probably in 2000) they were selling T-shirts with 'W' on them, the emphasis on the W came largely from the campaign itself. It's not the same thing at all, really.

In fact, it's almost bewilderingly different.

Is the Logan Act the one about the crystal in your hand changing colour?

Is the Logan Act the one about the crystal in your hand changing colour?

Nope. That's Logan's Run. Nice reference, though.

the things i have seen about her family have all been true with the poster's opinion of what that might mean being added.

with, i suppose, a bit of meaningless speculation like ... having the engagement of her 5 months pregnant daughter only happen after palin's pick as vp noiminee mean that probably the baby-daddy wasnt all that enthusiastic about it.

How old is the father again? 17 right? Yea....expecting a 17 year old to be enthusiastic about marriage....yea, I don't see that very often.

Anyone ever met a 17 year old who was enthusiastic about marrying the woman he just knocked up? Anyone?

Their's nothing wrong with asking questions. Its a free country, and its not like the story hasn't been soundly rebuked. I think "trolling" is a bit sever.

The thread title suggests it was a little more than a question.

Veeeeery interesting.

But FOUL!

(Wolfgang, from Laugh-In)

But FOUL!

(Wolfgang, from Laugh-In)

I thought it was "but shtoopid", but maybe it was different when broadcast internationally.

I thought it was "but shtoopid", but maybe it was different when broadcast internationally.

It is "but shtoopid" usually, but I took the line from Mad About You, an episode in which they did use the Laugh-In crew.

How old is the father again? 17 right? Yea....expecting a 17 year old to be enthusiastic about marriage....yea, I don't see that very often.

Anyone ever met a 17 year old who was enthusiastic about marrying the woman he just knocked up? Anyone?
none come to mind but i have known a few 17 year old girls who were eager to get married. luckily they had parents who refused to consent to an underaged marriage.

How old is the father again? 17 right? Yea....expecting a 17 year old to be enthusiastic about marriage....yea, I don't see that very often.

Anyone ever met a 17 year old who was enthusiastic about marrying the woman he just knocked up? Anyone?

I knew some 17 year olds that seriously considered marriage.

I also know that should Palin win, he would be givin access to the White House... being that he'll be Palin's son-in-law. ;)

He was brainwashed in Vietnam and is trying to take over America for the communists![/Stuff made up as a joke]

Actually, the brainwashing came around the 2000 Election and it wasn't the Commies who did it.

:D

Their's nothing wrong with asking questions.

So is it true the judge had ordered you to move because the kid you raped 3 years ago lived in your old appartmentblock ?

Imagine me asking that in front of your new neighbours. A malicious person can easily abuse questions like this to damage someone, and they can always say "I was just asking !".

So is it true the judge had ordered you to move because the kid you raped 3 years ago lived in your old appartmentblock ?

Imagine me asking that in front of your new neighbours. A malicious person can easily abuse questions like this to damage someone, and they can always say "I was just asking !".

Exactly. The old "when did you stop beating your wife" routine that McCain obviously thought was so funny.

I knew some 17 year olds that seriously considered marriage.

I also know that should Palin win, he would be givin access to the White House... being that he'll be Palin's son-in-law. ;)
Wasn't Corny a 17 year old who was eager to be married?

Wasn't Corny a 17 year old who was eager to be married?

I have no idea what the hell Corny was.

I've seen the kid on the footage of the RNC.
Levi's awesome Republican Convention! (http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080907/COL04/809070400/1081/COL)

So is it true the judge had ordered you to move because the kid you raped 3 years ago lived in your old appartmentblock ?

Imagine me asking that in front of your new neighbours. A malicious person can easily abuse questions like this to damage someone, and they can always say "I was just asking !".

Well, since you would obviously be making it up, and would know it was completely false, I can assure you asking that question would get your ass sued real fast.

But its necissary in a democracy that people ask questions about those in power. And he seemed genuinely to be asking, as opposed to spreading malicious rumors. Which gives us a chance to ensure him that its probably all bs.

WHERE'S MY CANE!?

Currently running for President in an attempt to keep a stupid war going.

BA-DUM-BUM *tish*:D

Levi's awesome Republican Convention! (http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080907/COL04/809070400/1081/COL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVLV6YW57dI

BA-DUM-BUM *tish*:D

Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week. :D

Is the Logan Act the one about the crystal in your hand changing colour?

Nope. That's Logan's Run. Nice reference, though.

Then it would have to be the one about razor-sharp claws popping out of your hands, amiright?

:D

EDIT: Sorry for the dig. Need sleep badly, but addicted to NSG.

I want a burrito. Or some cookies.

Obama Interferring with Negotiations. (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-scotch-an-iraqi-us-agreement-on-military-forces/)
Troop Withdrawl negotiation interferrence. (http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/09/15/did-obama-try-to-block-troop-withdrawal/)
Anybody heard anything about this? If this is even remotely true... Obama really messed up with this one. ''Demanding'' that a foreign government delay negotiations with his own government to use it as a campaign device? Putting his campaign before the well-being of our soldiers? I mean, honestly? Not only is that a felony in the United States, it's completely against his own stated policy.

He's a Democrat, ergo, it doesn't matter what he does, so long as he wins. He won, so all's fair.