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I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split. Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .

I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split. Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .

Less likely to be Christian perhaps, less likely to be religious I'm not so sure of.

What kind of Liberal are we talking about here? The classic variety are sort of different from their modern counterparts. A Classic Liberal was more like a Libertarian and believed in personal freedom while what we think of today as a Liberal in America doesn't. And before you whine about how I'm wrong let me remind you that gun-grabbing, word-banning (quite a few want ****** b&), and thought-policing (hate crimes punish motivation) are not pro-freedom but are often associated with modern American libs.

I'm an atheist and a libertarian. Not an option on the poll.

I'm liberal-moderate and I am religious. Given that some 90% of the US population professes to some kind of religion and liberalism and conservatism tends to be more or less evenly split...

I have a feeling that you'll find more fundamentalists or radical theists in the conservative side though.

This board also skews to both liberal and atheist. That will probably skew the poll away from actual averages.

Isn't "religious" a misleading category? Surely even among the Christians there can be variations from the Salvation Army to the Orthodox Church. And when you consider things like Buddhism, Tao, New Age, and Scientology, it seems obvious that just being religious, without knowing their actual religion, isn't enough to guess someone's political stands.

That aside, I am curious as to how Solipsism fits into all this.

Isn't "religious" a misleading category? Surely even among the Christians there can be variations from the Salvation Army to the Orthodox Church. And when you consider things like Buddhism, Tao, New Age, and Scientology, it seems obvious that just being religious, without knowing their actual religion, isn't enough to guess someone's political stands.

That aside, I am curious as to how Solipsism fits into all this.

What do you mean, ''Orthodox Church''? I'm an Eastern Orthodox and I've met no fundamentalists. Of course, there's the claim that they are the first chuch but I don't sign that claim.

What do you mean, ''Orthodox Church''? I'm an Eastern Orthodox and I've met no fundamentalists. Of course, there's the claim that they are the first chuch but I don't sign that claim.

What do I mean? I mean there are different types of Christianity. Where in my post have I make claims about which branch does what? In fact I make sure that I did not put judgment values on any types of religion. I was simply making a point that chunking them all into one category creates a bias base on the most popular religion of your sample.

On the contrary, you did bring up there are those who claim that they are the first church.

I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split. Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .

I fear most non-US people on this forum will not fit in the liberal or conservative box either... In some countries even a left-right divide would be more or less meaningless.

But, ignoring that, most Christians outside the USA seem to be leftleaning in a socio-political sense.

I do not fit the left-right classsification at all, I am active in the Pirate Party of Germany and am an atheist (I use Dawkins' definition, meaning that I consider any god too improbable to exist).

Atheist, so far to the left that I consider "liberal" to be an insult. ;)

Ignoring the limitations of the left/right label, ignostic.

Isn't "religious" a misleading category? Surely even among the Christians there can be variations from the Salvation Army to the Orthodox Church. And when you consider things like Buddhism, Tao, New Age, and Scientology, it seems obvious that just being religious, without knowing their actual religion, isn't enough to guess someone's political stands.

That aside, I am curious as to how Solipsism fits into all this.

Having to spend time with New Age liberals would be my personal hell. :tongue: I'd rather spend an eternity with televangelists than a weekend with that group.

Having to spend time with New Age liberals would be my personal hell. :tongue: I'd rather spend an eternity with televangelists than a weekend with that group.

Hmm, are you sure ? I know quite a few hot, openminded wiccan and hippy girls ;)

Atheist, so far to the left that I consider "liberal" to be an insult. ;)

Religious, but broadly the same politically. I answered "liberal" because it was less inaccurate than "conservative".

Hmm, are you sure ? I know quite a few hot, openminded wiccan and hippy girls ;)

That's a little different. New Age incorporates bits and pieces of neopaganism and all that, but until you've had to endure a serious discussion on the benefits of crystals in healing, or about the effectiveness of vortexes in aligning the chakras, you haven't experienced complete mental desolation. :tongue:

Liberal/Conservative - Too narrow to be meaningful, especially outside the US.

Religious - Too wide to really be a useful barometer, since most people are agnostic, or belong to a particular religion. NSG has a higher percentage of atheists than the general population, even by norms in Europe, where we are all godless commies :tongue:

Abdju < Religious, not liberal, not conservative.

Atheist, so far to the left that I consider "liberal" to be an insult. ;)

This :p

I'm agnostic, atheist and liberal. What am I meant to vote?

I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split.
Yep, although I'd probably say that agnostics are slighty more likely to be liberal.
Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .
Don't see why not?

Yep, although I'd probably say that agnostics are slighty more likely to be liberal.

Don't see why not?

Scientific polls need better definitions of atheist, agnostic, religious, conservative and liberal. They also need a sample size in the thousands.And the possibility of being agnostic and religious/atheist.

Liberal and conservative are pretty broad labels. I can think of four axes that can be applied to politics off the top of my head.

Scientific polls need better definitions of atheist, agnostic, religious, conservative and liberal. They also need a sample size in the thousands.And the possibility of being agnostic and religious/atheist.
Indeed. Like in this case, someone who goes along with the Democrats in the US might consider themselves liberal, but someone with the same views here (Canada) would probably vote Conservative and consider themselves as such.

I'm fairly well socially liberal and a bit of a socialist... so I picked "liberal" as it was closest and I'm ignostic so I picked "agnostic" since it was the closest. This poll didn't fit me very well at all. :S

Where would an "authoritarian democratic liberal conservative" fall on this scale? I demand representation! :p

I'm an Implicit Atheist (I don't believe in a 'lack of God', I have a lack of belief). Also known (fairly accurately) as Agnostic Atheist.

I'm about as permissive on social scales as it's possible to be, and still be rational about it - an' it harm none, do as thou wilt.

What kind of Liberal are we talking about here? The classic variety are sort of different from their modern counterparts. A Classic Liberal was more like a Libertarian and believed in personal freedom while what we think of today as a Liberal in America doesn't. And before you whine about how I'm wrong let me remind you that gun-grabbing, word-banning (quite a few want ****** b&), and thought-policing (hate crimes punish motivation) are not pro-freedom but are often associated with modern American libs.

I'm an atheist and a libertarian. Not an option on the poll.

Whatever helps you sleep at nght.

That's a little different. New Age incorporates bits and pieces of neopaganism and all that, but until you've had to endure a serious discussion on the benefits of crystals in healing, or about the effectiveness of vortexes in aligning the chakras, you haven't experienced complete mental desolation. :tongue:

But how does this differ from other forms of mysticism? I mean there are always serious discussion involving Xenu and how the dead souls of aliens that brings agony to the people on earth.

I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split. Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .

No, it's common sense. Anyone dumb enough to be an atheist is also dumb enough to vote liberal, against the best interests of the country. Those with the basic understanding necessary to acknowledge that the logically-necessary being exists are likewise more likely to have enough of a head on their shoulders to value basic personal freedom and national security, and thus to vote conservative.

Religious and centrist.

Overall I'm more left than right. For religion, an agnostic.

The most striking thing about the poll results is how predominantly liberal NSG seems to be. This appears to hold true regardless of religious beleif or lack thereof.

I picked liberal and religious because it came closest, but it doesn't come all that close, really.

I'm American, liberal-progressive, moderately religious animist-polytheist.

I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split. Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .

Your belief is incorrect because it is different from my belief. :p

I would say that it may be diferent, I know a lot of poeple who are of the Christian faith but they are learning so far on the left side that they have fallen over.

The most striking thing about the poll results is how predominantly liberal NSG seems to be. This appears to hold true regardless of religious beleif or lack thereof.

Yeah but don't mention it to loud people don't like it, and try to deny it. Though even I would label myself a a liberal yet other people who would label themselves liberal would have many different political beliefs than me.

I voted "Liberal and Atheist", though of course I'm not actually a "Liberal" in the sense the OP meant it.

That's what you get for not making a better poll. ;)

What do you mean, ''Orthodox Church''? I'm an Eastern Orthodox and I've met no fundamentalists. Of course, there's the claim that they are the first chuch but I don't sign that claim.

Which makes you a slightly unusual Orthodox Christian. Are you absolutely sure you're one of us?

Oh, and Russian Orthodox and very much left of centre. I'm not using 'liberal' because I sense that the original poll was designed by a North American from a country where 'conservative' and 'free market liberal economics' have become oddly synonymous.

No, it's common sense. Anyone dumb enough to be an atheist is also dumb enough to vote liberal, against the best interests of the country. Those with the basic understanding necessary to acknowledge that the logically-necessary being exists are likewise more likely to have enough of a head on their shoulders to value basic personal freedom and national security, and thus to vote conservative.
You're not Humpty Dumpty. You do not get to say what the words you use mean.

No, it's common sense. Anyone dumb enough to be an atheist is also dumb enough to vote liberal, against the best interests of the country. Those with the basic understanding necessary to acknowledge that the logically-necessary being exists are likewise more likely to have enough of a head on their shoulders to value basic personal freedom and national security, and thus to vote conservative.
Silly conservative, you can't logically deduce god. People have been failing at that for centuries. Just deal with your faith being irrational.
Overall I'm more left than right. For religion, an agnostic.

The most striking thing about the poll results is how predominantly liberal NSG seems to be. This appears to hold true regardless of religious beleif or lack thereof.

Oh yes. Many polls have established that leftists out number rightists on NSG.

Religious Social-Democrat.

How does that fit your poll?

Oh yes. Many polls have established that leftists out number rightists on NSG.

Not exactly. It is more accurate to observe that "liberal" in the US sense is considered somewhat centrist-right in many European countries, while US conservatives are considered to be extreme right. Obviously, extremists will be a minority.

Socolist/Liberal/Quasi Anachist, religious here.

Perhaps it's not the theistic outlook that determines ones political leanings, maybe its their diet?

Everyone knows that US Vegans and Vegetarians are predominately Liberals who vote Democrat, and this article seems to have discovered why ;)

LINK (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms)

Scientists have discovered that going veggie could be bad for your brain-with those on a meat-free diet six times more likely to suffer brain shrinkage.

Vegans and vegetarians are the most likely to be deficient because the best sources of the vitamin are meat, particularly liver, milk and fish. Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause anaemia and inflammation of the nervous system.

It also goes on to say that people who drink wine more than beer (another Democrat demographic indicator) are more likely to have suffered from brain shrinkage...

And Obese people too apparently, but I don't know any obese vegetarian Democrats so I don't know if it applies there as well (Does anyone know if Michael Moore is a vegan?).

But clearly, we can see that the lifestyle choices that cause brain shrinkage also lead to voting for Demorats. Coincidence? I don't think so.




[/tongue firmly planted in cheek]

None of the above.

No, it's common sense. Anyone dumb enough to be an atheist is also dumb enough to vote liberal, against the best interests of the country. Those with the basic understanding necessary to acknowledge that the logically-necessary being exists are likewise more likely to have enough of a head on their shoulders to value basic personal freedom and national security, and thus to vote conservative.

What an enormously stupid post.

1.) Nobody has ever demonstrated that God is logically necessary, or even more rationally plausible than not-God. Claiming something to be logically necessary does not make it so.

2.) Conservatives are in no way for personal freedom. They are against the personal freedom to have sexual relationships with the partner of your choice, against reproductive rights, in certain cases (for example, Bush Sr.) against citizenship rights for the non-religious!

3.) National security is NOT, despite what you think, improved by invading random countries that have no connection to any threat to the country.

You're not Humpty Dumpty. You do not get to say what the words you use mean.

I would say how do you know, but that's because I am, I mean what I say and I say what I mean. I enjoyed the chapter.

Atheist, so far to the left that I consider "liberal" to be an insult. ;)I'm right there with you.

Perhaps it's not the theistic outlook that determines ones political leanings, maybe its their diet?

Everyone knows that US Vegans and Vegetarians are predominately Liberals who vote Democrat, and this article seems to have discovered why ;)

LINK (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms)

Scientists have discovered that going veggie could be bad for your brain-with those on a meat-free diet six times more likely to suffer brain shrinkage.

Vegans and vegetarians are the most likely to be deficient because the best sources of the vitamin are meat, particularly liver, milk and fish. Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause anaemia and inflammation of the nervous system.

It also goes on to say that people who drink wine more than beer (another Democrat demographic indicator) are more likely to have suffered from brain shrinkage...

And Obese people too apparently, but I don't know any obese vegetarian Democrats so I don't know if it applies there as well (Does anyone know if Michael Moore is a vegan?).

But clearly, we can see that the lifestyle choices that cause brain shrinkage also lead to voting for Demorats. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[/tongue firmly planted in cheek]

I'd imagine there's some truth in this story... just like the Bible forbidding Christians from thinking.

Right?

I'm wondering if my belief is correct that liberals are more likely to be atheists and Conservatives are more like to be religious and agostics are relatively evenly split. Obviously this can't be a scientific poll, but. . .I have no idea whether the Liberals are predomanantly athiest or religious, but the conservatives are obviously religious, seeing as they call themselves the Christian Democrat Union. Though why one would ignore the majority of the political spectrum is beyond me...

Also, I found the links available rather interesting:
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"Liberal or Conservative" is far too simplistic a model of politics to draw any meaningful correlation from.

Churches generally reinforce conservative ideals (abortion is bad, homosexuality is a sin, ect.)

If one looks at the actual definition of liberals and conservatives, one sees that liberals want great change, and conservatives want things to stay the same, or more commonly, to revert to the way they were. The world has been steadily walking away from religion since the renaissance, ergo liberals tend to dislike religion.

Economically leftist.

Socially liberal.

Personal spirituality centred on mystic monism.

Churches generally reinforce conservative ideals (abortion is bad, homosexuality is a sin, ect.)

But of course those churches who are seeking to promote civil rights and protest when governments infringe on humanitarian rights, such as stopping illegal refugees from being processed offshore and deported back to their country. Also those churches who try for a bit more social justice and seek governments to give more to help the poor and the needy and the homeless and are against the income gap between rich and poor from widening.

All conservative ideals I suppose.