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Dutch Paper: U.S. Will Attack Iran in Weeks

Monday, September 1, 2008 10:42 PM


The largest newspaper in the Netherlands, De Telegraaf, reported this past weekend that its nation's intelligence agency has been working closely with the CIA to help prepare the U.S. in a planned air attack on Iran.


The front-page story in De Telegraaf, published Friday and headlined "Attack on Iran Imminent," claimed that U.S. military strikes on Iran's nuclear and weapons facilities would happen in weeks.


The paper indicated Holland's military intelligence service (Algemene Inlichtingen-en Veiligheidsdienst, or AIVD), has pulled back from its operations inside Iran helping the U.S. to identify targets.


De Telegraaf reports that the decision has already been made by the U.S. to attack Iran using unmanned aircraft, hence the Netherlands' decision to remove its agents.


Excerpts from De Telegraaf follow:


"Good sources have declared to the Telegraaf that the AIVD Algemene Inlichtingen- en Veiligheidsdienst has been operating in Iran for the last few years with the purpose of the infiltration and sabotage of the weapons industry of the Iranian republic.

"The operations are said to have been 'very successful' but have recently been put to a halt because of American plans for an air attack. Information regarding the AIVD operation has been shared with the CIA in recent years, according to the sources.


"Iran is believed to be working towards an atomic bomb and refuses to comply to Western demands to stop enriching uranium. In June Israeli vice president Shaul Mofaz made the statement that an Israeli attack is inevitable if Iran continues its quest for atomic weapons."

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http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/netherlands_iran_attack/2008/09/01/126824.html

Yea cause the US needs Dutch help to blow stuff up :rolleyes:

The US needs Dutch help to mellow out afterwards.

Yea cause the US needs Dutch help to blow stuff up :rolleyes:
... that's not why their secret service guys are supposedly pulling out, they're supposedly pulling away from Persian weapons factories because they supposedly know that the US is supposedly going to blow up targets inside Iran. Or so it is claimed by 'good sources'.

... that's not why their secret service guys are supposedly pulling out, they're supposedly pulling away from Persian weapons factories because they supposedly know that the US is supposedly going to blow up targets inside Iran. Or so it is claimed by 'good sources'.

That is some sort of intelligence agency the Dutch have if in fact this is true. I mean they can keep a secret like know one else.

Crap.

If the we do bomb Iran...that'll be the last thing we need. You'd think the world hates us enough right now.

Not a particularly reliable source.

Ahaha, de Telegraaf, ahahahaa.

De krant voor 60% van de Nederlanders, that is.

It's like Fox.:tongue:

*notices a stomach ache forming*

well if the republicans want to bomb iran they have to get to it. i doubt it will be in the next few weeks, the US prefers to start such things at christmas time.

It's like Fox.:tongue:
Aye. It's a bit better than the Bild, and about the same as The Sun.

Aye. It's a bit better than the Bild, and about the same as The Sun.
True that.

I bet we'll follow you blindly into this one as well.

Could still be true though.

Could still be true though.Million monkey typewriter case, though here the make newspaper articles.

I bet we'll follow you blindly into this one as well.
Doubt it, this is going to be an "IAF" raid, if anything. IE US Jets with Israeli markings.

The "unmanned planes" thing sounds a bit odd. Its easier to use a missile. Its not like they're after moving targets.

So, how many times have we heard that the US will attack Iran, and how many times have we actually attacked Iran?

So, how many times have we heard that the US will attack Iran, and how many times have we actually attacked Iran?
LOADS OF TIMES, MAN, JUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WON'T TELL US, MAN!

(Actually quite probably true :tongue:)

So, how many times have we heard that the US will attack Iran, and how many times have we actually attacked Iran?

seven, at last count.

Well, this paper certainly knows how to draw attention. ''Hey, let's give the world another reason to hate Americans! We'll say they're going to attack Iran!'' Yes, joy to the world.

Rolling squid;14008403']seven, at last count.
here are a few from a quick wiki search:


Operation Ajax

Operation Nimble Archer

Operation Praying Mantis

Operation Prime Chance

Iran Air Flight 655

*notices a stomach ache forming*

well if the republicans want to bomb iran they have to get to it. i doubt it will be in the next few weeks, the US prefers to start such things at christmas time.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/america%20motivational%20poster/shawn_small/misc/misc/cartoons/america_motivational.jpg?o=2

Well, that is sort of sad that people continuously claim we're going to attack Iran after others have claimed that we are going to do it. It's getting a little old, isn't it?

Well, that is sort of sad that people continuously claim we're going to attack Iran after others have claimed that we are going to do it. It's getting a little old, isn't it?
Why do you hate freedom? :(

http://media.photobucket.com/image/a...tional.jpg?o=2LOL. All hail George Washington?

This smells fishy.

No intelligence operative would spill such beans if he ever wanted to see the light of day again.

It's entirely possible some Dutch wags are trying to implicate The GOP because the Dems are busy taking punishment again.

This smells fishy.

No intelligence operative would spill such beans if he ever wanted to see the light of day again.

It's entirely possible some Dutch wags are trying to implicate The GOP because the Dems are busy taking punishment again.
Yeah, or more likely that there isn't much really going on in the Netherlands at the moment, and that De Telegraaf is printing old news as if it was new news. I mean "they're going to attack in weeks" - you could publish that whenever.

here are a few from a quick wiki search:


Operation Ajax

Operation Nimble Archer

Operation Praying Mantis

Operation Prime Chance

Iran Air Flight 655

Iran Air Flight 655 was an accident. The US did not purposely shoot down a civillian airliner.

Yeah, or more likely that there isn't much really going on in the Netherlands at the moment, and that De Telegraaf is printing old news as if it was new news. I mean "they're going to attack in weeks" - you could publish that whenever.Is there ever anything going on in the Netherlands?

Is there ever anything going on in the Netherlands?
Sometimes their royal family marries off one of their children to the Belgian royal family, or vice versa. This is about all that ever happens in either country.

Sometimes their royal family marries off one of their children to the Belgian royal family, or vice versa. This is about all that ever happens in either country.Huh. No wonder they talk about us so much.

Sometimes their royal family marries off one of their children to the Belgian royal family, or vice versa. This is about all that ever happens in either country.

I dunno, the Germans and French go to Belgium to kill each other fairly often, I'd say thats a pretty big happening.

I dunno, the Germans and French go to Belgium to kill each other fairly often, I'd say thats a pretty big happening.
Not with the EU around.

Yeah, or more likely that there isn't much really going on in the Netherlands at the moment, and that De Telegraaf is printing old news as if it was new news. I mean "they're going to attack in weeks" - you could publish that whenever.It was printed last week, NS is slow.

Sometimes their royal family marries off one of their children to the Belgian royal family, or vice versa. This is about all that ever happens in either country.We don't let them marry blegians, we let them marry Argentinian women who are daughters of supposed war criiminals.:)

Not with the EU around.

Sucks, huh?

It was printed last week, NS is slow.
Yeah, I know really :tongue:
We don't let them marry blegians, we let them marry Argentinian women who are daughters of supposed war criiminals.:)
Classy :)

Sucks, huh?
Certainly doesn't help BAE Systems, that's for sure.

Certainly doesn't help BAE Systems, that's for sure.

Hmm, I wonder what new technologies might be created if another major land war in Europe occured?

Hmm, I wonder what new technologies might be created if another major land war in Europe occured?

Robotic Gravedigger

Hmm, I wonder what new technologies might be created if another major land war in Europe occured?

Think of the possibilities! Of course,it would suck for the soldiers and if it erupts when i'm over 18 and then I would have to fight in it.

Hmm, I wonder what new technologies might be created if another major land war in Europe occured?
Only one way to find out.

*becomes an MEP*

Iran Air Flight 655 was an accident. The US did not purposely shoot down a civillian airliner.
maybe, but the purposefully shot down an iranian aircraft in international waters in a comercial flight corridor... its probable they didn't know it was a commericial airliner, but it was certainly an intentional attack.

maybe, but the purposefully shot down an iranian aircraft in international waters in a comercial flight corridor... its probable they didn't know it was a commericial airliner, but it was certainly an intentional attack.

Its approach was simmilar to that of the F-14, and a tired, and relatively inexpirenced crew might mistake it for an attack vector.

Million monkey typewriter case, though here the make newspaper articles.

But with a chimp in the White House, it could be considered Insider Information.

If history remains consistent, our war with Iran will somehow involve troops steamrolling through the Netherlands and Belgium in a matter of weeks. Honestly, the Benelux region just begs to be conquered.

Can't we just make an arrangement with Iran to fake the whole thing?

Iran gets to rally against American invaders and the regime is secure, America gets to claim a victory in the never-ending war on terror, no-one gets hurt and it costs peanuts.

EVERYBODY WINS!

we could just rerun some of the smart bomb footage from the beginning of the iraq war... who can tell bagdad from tehran in that grainy black and green film anyway.

*notices a stomach ache forming*

well if the republicans want to bomb iran they have to get to it. i doubt it will be in the next few weeks, the US prefers to start such things at christmas time.

That's because Santa and his sleigh provide good cover for our aircraft, :)

Can't we just make an arrangement with Iran to fake the whole thing?

Iran gets to rally against American invaders and the regime is secure, America gets to claim a victory in the never-ending war on terror, no-one gets hurt and it costs peanuts.

EVERYBODY WINS!

I wonder if the movie set where they staged the Moon landings is available?

That's because Santa and his sleigh provide good cover for our aircraft, :)

You kidding, Santa's Sleigh is the ultimate bomber. It is fast, carries a ton of weight and get's in and out without anyone seeing it.

I wonder if the movie set where they staged the Moon landings is available?

Nah thats booked for the Mars Landings

I wonder if the movie set where they staged the Moon landings is available?

It is. However, in a stroke of brilliance, the government decided to fake the Moon landing in a soundstage on the Moon, so it's kind of inaccessible at the moment.

Yeah I dont buy it.

here are a few from a quick wiki search:


Operation Ajax

Operation Nimble Archer

Operation Praying Mantis

Operation Prime Chance

Iran Air Flight 655

Ummj, I'm not sure about the rest, (and I really don't feel like looking it up), but Operation Praying Mantis was an attack on am IRAQI property, (the Sassan oil platform, in retaliation for a mistaken attack on one of OUR concerns in the Persian Gulf). I know tis because I was stationed on the U.S.S. Trenton, LPD-14; the ship responsible for the retaliatory attack. I was not assigned there at the time, but I DID hear all about it from members of the ship's self-defence force who were.

It is. However, in a stroke of brilliance, the government decided to fake the Moon landing in a sound stage on the Moon, so it's kind of inaccessible at the moment.

That is pure genius.

If true, McCain won't even have to play the veteran card. People will pannick, and he'll have the ellection in the bag.

Unless, of course, Putin meant it when he said that an attack on Iran would be considered an attack on Russia. If that is the case, ellections will be a thing of the past, along with most major cities in the northern hemisphere, most likely.

...Holland's military intelligence...

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Robotic Gravedigger

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/23/gravedigger_1280x1024.jpg

That could be bad ass! But what would that have to do with another major land war in Europe? That, and I really think a human driver would be better, as a human driver should be better able to tell when the truck gets too squirrelly, so they can get off the throttle.

Credible or not, if the US does attack Iran then we are all in big trouble.

Credible or not, if the US does attack Iran then we are all in big trouble.


Outside of a few panties in a bunch from around the world what is going to happen to the US? Iran will have it's hands full dealing with the damage rained down on them. Seriously what can they do? None of their navy would make it out of the Persian Gulf. Their air force will be decimated. If their ground forces tried to move out of Iran there will be a lot of death and destruction brought down on them. So anyway I look at it Iran would be trying to stay alive let alone strike back at the US.

I am also not saying this to be smug but just to be realistic. No one is going to come to thier aid. Just not going to happen.

Outside of a few panties in a bunch from around the world what is going to happen to the US? Iran will have it's hands full dealing with the damage rained down on them. Seriously what can they do? None of their navy would make it out of the Persian Gulf. Their air force will be decimated. If their ground forces tried to move out of Iran there will be a lot of death and destruction brought down on them. So anyway I look at it Iran would be trying to stay alive let alone strike back at the US.

I am also not saying this to be smug but just to be realistic. No one is going to come to thier aid. Just not going to happen.

Not the point. The reputation and prestige of the United States is already extremely damaged by our constant willy-nilly prancing around. Without the Soviet Union around to make the nations of Europe look the other way when we do those things, we really don't have anymore excuses, and we have to stop acting like cowboys.

Not to mention the various other issues that would crop up from attacking Iran. You think it was bad enough the way the extremist Muslims played up our attack Iraq, which had a secular government? How much worse do you think it will be for attacking Iran, which has a very Muslim government? We'd be confirming everything they say about us trying to destroy Islam, and we'd convert millions of moderate Muslims to their cause, and making the situation in the Middle East a hundred times worse.

In short, it's a bad idea, regardless of whether we have much direct military affects upon our own country. That is simply not the only thing we need to consider anymore.

Yea cause the US needs Dutch help to blow stuff up :rolleyes:

Of course. If other countries* call in your debts, you no longer have any weapons :p

*not that the net debt to the Netherlands alone is that great, but it is the principle of the thing ;)

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/23/gravedigger_1280x1024.jpg

That could be bad ass! But what would that have to do with another major land war in Europe? That, and I really think a human driver would be better, as a human driver should be better able to tell when the truck gets too squirrelly, so they can get off the throttle.

You'd need a robotic gravedigger because all the regular gravediggers, along with most of the people, would be dead. It could also bury enemy troops alive if you were feeling evil.

I am also not saying this to be smug but just to be realistic. No one is going to come to thier aid. Just not going to happen.

Syria, in theory. But otherwise, yeah.

Credible or not, if the US does attack Iran then we are all in big trouble.
Not really. They can't really go after Israel, because Israel will just point out that they have large, confirmed stocks of nuclear weapons, and doubtless a bazillion tons of smallpox ready to be dropped over any invader.

Syria wouldn't come to Iran's aid because they are really trying to get on the West's side and are generally not that chummy with Iran.

Not really. They can't really go after Israel, because Israel will just point out that they have large, confirmed stocks of nuclear weapons, and doubtless a bazillion tons of smallpox ready to be dropped over any invader.

Syria wouldn't come to Iran's aid because they are really trying to get on the West's side and are generally not that chummy with Iran.

Wait, Israel has biological weaponry? Isn't that a violation of some international treaty?

Wait, Israel has biological weaponry? Isn't that a violation of some international treaty?

So was giving Israel nuclear weapons technology. Only Iran seems to care ;)

Could still be true though.The US denied rights of passage to Israeli jets and won't be letting them use its tankers to refuel midflight, nor are the Israelis getting new bunker busters. I don't think that this is because the US plans to do it on their own, but because they're not interested in hitting Iranian territory with air attacks.

I am also not saying this to be smug but just to be realistic. No one is going to come to thier aid. Just not going to happen.

Except maybe Russia. Putin saying that an attack on Iran is an attack on Russia and all that...

Except maybe Russia. Putin saying that an attack on Iran is an attack on Russia and all that...

I still think any aggressive moves by Russia will result in aggressive moves by China in Siberia. They really want those resources, and I think they might take the opportunity should it arise.

Wait, Israel has biological weaponry?
Almost certainly.
Isn't that a violation of some international treaty?
So's them having nukes...

Not really. They can't really go after Israel, because Israel will just point out that they have large, confirmed stocks of nuclear weapons.

To be fair, they are unconfirmed because Israel refuses to acknowledge their existence, though essentially every reputable source agrees they have them. And the size of their nuclear arsenal is only estimated at 75-150, which would be the smallest amount of estimated deliverable warheads of any nuclear nation besides North Korea, so, relatively speaking, they don't have a large arsenal. I suppose when speaking about nuclear weapons, though, anything more than 15-20 can be considered large.

To be fair, they are unconfirmed because Israel refuses to acknowledge their existence.
One of their ministers blurted out some information about their nuclear capability a year or two ago. I'd call that confirmation of their missile stocks.

One of their ministers blurted out some information about their nuclear capability a year or two ago. I'd call that confirmation of their missile stocks.

Ehud Olmert.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338783,00.html

His office quickly claimed the quote was taken out of context, and the official Israeli position is still that they neither confirm nor deny their possession of nuclear weapons. If you consider this sufficient confirmation, then fine, but officially, they are still "unconfirmed" stockpiles, regardless of how well-known it is that they exist.

Outside of a few panties in a bunch from around the world what is going to happen to the US? Iran will have it's hands full dealing with the damage rained down on them. Seriously what can they do? None of their navy would make it out of the Persian Gulf. Their air force will be decimated. If their ground forces tried to move out of Iran there will be a lot of death and destruction brought down on them. So anyway I look at it Iran would be trying to stay alive let alone strike back at the US.

I am also not saying this to be smug but just to be realistic. No one is going to come to thier aid. Just not going to happen.

Well, if it was just an airstrike their might be limmited effects. But a full out invasion would mean a draft, resulting protests and probably riots, the loss of anything resembling control of Iraq and Afghanistan most likely, and an insurgency from hell. You see, unlike Iraq, Iran has a decent millitary, and its a huge mountanous country. They beat Iraq at its height when the US was backing it.

Then there's the economic effects. Iran might say "well, we're screwed any way, so lets shut off oil supplies from the Persian Gulf for a little while and screw over the world's economy. Besides, can the US economy really take another war? I'll give you three guesses at the answer.

Finally, their's the worst case senarios. Iran might use Chemical weapons, in which case the US might well retaliate with WMDs of their own(most likely causing World War 3). Or, as I've already mentioned, Putin might have been serious when he said an attack on Iran would be considered an attack on Russia.

Ehud Olmert.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3338783,00.html

His office quickly claimed the quote was taken out of context, and the official Israeli position is still that they neither confirm nor deny their possession of nuclear weapons. If you consider this sufficient confirmation, then fine, but officially, they are still "unconfirmed" stockpiles, regardless of how well-known it is that they exist.

Much like anything else "unconfirmed" this is total bullshit. Israel has nuclear weapons; the only question is how many.

I would honestly not be surprised if they rival the United States for numbers. If there's one thing the Israeli's love to do, it's pump their military.

Much like anything else "unconfirmed" this is total bullshit. Israel has nuclear weapons; the only question is how many.

I would honestly not be surprised if they rival the United States for numbers. If there's one thing the Israeli's love to do, it's pump their military.

It is rediculous to suggest that they rival America. The US has around 10000 nukes I think, and I beleive estimates put Israel in the hundreds. Still enough to level any rouge Arab state that somehow manages to threaten their conventional military assets.

It is rediculous to suggest that they rival America. The US has around 10000 nukes I think, and I beleive estimates put Israel in the hundreds. Still enough to level any rouge Arab state that somehow manages to threaten their conventional military assets.

Well, yeah, I know it's a little ridiculous that Israel would somehow pull off possessing 10,000 nuclear weapons.

I simply said I wouldn't be surprised IF that were the case, that's all.

Israel doesn't have an arsenal the size of the US or Russia, but it's enough to take out several major cities.

Much like anything else "unconfirmed" this is total bullshit. Israel has nuclear weapons; the only question is how many.

I would honestly not be surprised if they rival the United States for numbers. If there's one thing the Israeli's love to do, it's pump their military.

Even the most ambitious estimates of Israeli nuclear capability only put their nuclear stockpile at around 500 warheads. The United States, which subjects its nuclear arsenal to independent inspection, has 5535 total nuclear warheads, 4075 active.

As far as nuclear capabilities go, there is Russia, the United States, then the rest of the world. All the other nations in the world combined do not equal the US stockpile, and all those nations plus the US do not equal the Russian stockpile.

You'd need a robotic gravedigger because all the regular gravediggers, along with most of the people, would be dead. It could also bury enemy troops alive if you were feeling evil.

You can't kill Gravedigger. If it flips and the body gets destroyed, they just put a new body on. If it breaks (axle, shock, motor, transmission, etc), they fix it, and it's back for next time.

And the only way a robotic Gravedigger could bury people alive is if it kicked up enough dirt doing a rooster tail.