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Wow I'm still here and it's been hours now!

Pfft they haven't colided their particles with each other. THEN the world will end. (Possibly)

What's your rush? The thing's gotta warm up.

Pfft they haven't colided their particles with each other. THEN the world will end. (Possibly)Yeah, that hasn't even been scheduled yet...

Pfft they haven't colided their particles with each other. THEN the world will end. (Possibly)

probably not.i don't believe that the LHC could destroy the world,it has been calculated throughly by scentists and can you think of any reasons why they would want to destroy the world they live on?

Yeah, that hasn't even been scheduled yet...
Och they'll do it in 2012 about the time that Nibiru X is revealed along with our reptiloid masters, and some kind of supervolcano goes off, and the NWO declares war on the entire human race, just to really piss in our chips.

Supposedly you don't ever get to the point of dying if you get 'sucked into' a black hole's singularity due to time slowing down and all that (am super dubious about this, though, wouldn't the gravity alone kill you in the face?)

probably not.i don't believe that the LHC could destroy the world,it has been calculated throughly by scentists and can you think of any reasons why they would want to destroy the world they live on?
Because they'll fire themselves to their CERN Mars Base and then lol at us :(

Because they'll fire themselves to their CERN Mars Base and then lol at us :(

how would they have a Mars Base?only unmanned crafts have been there.

how would they have a Mars Base?only unmanned crafts have been there.
Aye that's what they've been telling us.

"Oh we lost contact with our robots again a couple of days after landing, why oh why does this keep happening?"

The answer is "because those 'probes' are actually construction robots for a massive underground Mars base.

*nods*

probably not.i don't believe that the LHC could destroy the world,it has been calculated throughly by scentists and can you think of any reasons why they would want to destroy the world they live on?
The law of unintended consequences can be pretty far reaching. Not that it will happen here, but I'd suspect most scientists have had an "Oops" moment in their careers. We used to call that an "Aw Shit" back in my Marine aviation days...

Aye that's what they've been telling us.

"Oh we lost contact with our robots again a couple of days after landing, why oh why does this keep happening?"

The answer is "because those 'probes' are actually construction robots for a massive underground Mars base.

*nods*Nah, the CERN permanent Mars garrison has been taking them out.

Nah, the CERN permanent Mars garrison has been taking them out.
Good call, actually.

"MERDE, C'EST ESA!"
"ach pissflaps, so it is, ACTIVATE DEFENCES"

etc. etc.

Yeah, it has been somewhat of an anti-climax. I was just talking a few minutes ago about how after all the talk there doesn't seem to have been any freakish side effects and my evil zombie twin couldn't agree with me more.

Yeah, it has been somewhat of an anti-climax. I was just talking a few minutes ago about how after all the talk there doesn't seem to have been any freakish side effects and my evil zombie twin couldn't agree with me more.
As I said in the other thread, I'm quite frankly disgusted that the 'minor electrical glitches' earlier in the day didn't cause the creation of some Godzilla-esque monster which would have rampaged around Switzerland, making it interesting for once.

Wow I'm still here and it's been hours now!

Haven't you noticed the stars have started to go out?

Perhaps its still daytime where you are.

Haven't you noticed the stars have started to go out?

Perhaps its still daytime where you are.
Aye, it's about 5pm here :p

As I said in the other thread, I'm quite frankly disgusted that the 'minor electrical glitches' earlier in the day didn't cause the creation of some Godzilla-esque monster which would have rampaged around Switzerland, making it interesting for once.It's been holed up in the mountains and will be shipped by train to Russia to end the war prematurely. Nothing bad will come of it.

Haven't you noticed the stars have started to go out?

Perhaps its still daytime where you are.

It is still day here yes, not even 17:00 yet.

http://www.supermozg.pl/supermozg/1,91629,5671133,Wielki_Zderzacz_Hadronow_bohaterem_piosenki.html

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/

It is still day here yes, not even 17:00 yet.Yes it is, you damn limey =P

I hope something completely unanticipated and bizarre happens. I hope everyone on earth(except me) reverses genders. :)

row row fight the powah











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Yes it is, you damn limey =P

Well it is now square head!:D

I hope something completely unanticipated and bizarre happens. I hope everyone on earth(except me) reverses genders. :)

Hmm...thats given me an idea for a sci-fi story. After the inevitable kinky sex ensuing as earthlings become used to their new bodies, it is suddenly revealed that that whatever caused the reversal has had odd effects on the intersex. As they can't 'reverse' sex, being somewhere in the middle, instead they mutate into giant sex-hungry half-human, half-sheep creatures (obviously!), who make an alliance with BDSM Nazis, who enter from a parallel universe opened up by the distortion of time-space caused by the LHC. Earth seems doomed to permanent sexual punishment, but is then saved by scientist furries, who infiltrate the base by pretending to ally with the half-human creatures and then inject them with a chemical to return them to their normal human form. The BDSM Nazis then run away after seeing Ann Coulter, realising that the torture of looking at her or hearing her speak is far too much even for them. Everyone celebrates with a coke-fuelled orgy.

I'm going to submit this to the big film studios. Next year's blockbuster. You heard it here first, NSG.

Wow I'm still here and it's been hours now!

Yeah, well just give it a couple of billion years, then we'll see who's right.
:)

I'm not particularly concerned...

But I do think it's amusing to see scientists giddy over the possibility that this thing could explode all our models of physics (pun intended)... even as they protest indignantly that it's perfectly safe--all our models say so. ;)

At any rate, when I hear they're going to do some actual Big Bang collisions... I'll have, at that hour, a merry toast to the Universe, in case we manage to annihilate it. I never turn down an excuse for a drink. :)

LHC does not create actual Big Bang collisions. It creates collision that are LIKE them. And there is a big difference.

LHC does not create actual Big Bang collisions. It creates collision that are LIKE them. And there is a big difference.

So we get an imitation instead of the real thing.

What a rip...

All they are doing right now is spinning particles around in a circle. Once they've verified that it's working, they'll spin them the other way. And if -that- works, then the fun begins and they get to spin them both ways and crash them together. It's like 5 year olds with hotwheels all over again. Eventually we'll discover that our universe was made with a LHC too... or something. :)

What I found interesting, while reading the article in the paper, is that they hope to be replicating the conditions which occured 1 trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

So we get an imitation instead of the real thing.

What a rip...
For a mere £5 billion? Not actually that much money to keep 10,000 physicists off the streets for 20 years :p

There's nothing to worry about. As Stephen Hawking already pointed out, there's billions of particles colliding with each other in the atmosphere every day, many even faster than this, and they don't make black holes...

The only thing Prof. Hawking is worried about is losing a $50 bet with the guy running the experiment. :D

I wish they'd hurry up and prove the gnome theory of physics correct.

Och they'll do it in 2012 about the time that Nibiru X is revealed along with our reptiloid masters, and some kind of supervolcano goes off, and the NWO declares war on the entire human race, just to really piss in our chips.

Supposedly you don't ever get to the point of dying if you get 'sucked into' a black hole's singularity due to time slowing down and all that (am super dubious about this, though, wouldn't the gravity alone kill you in the face?)

Damn! they found out about my race. I'd better return to planet Zorbahar and inform Presbyteriat Klinklin about this. *flies away in flying saucer*

I wish they'd hurry up and prove the gnome theory of physics correct.

Oh it is *telepathically contacts my evil gnome army* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I hope the world ends before I start getting cramps.

LHC does not create actual Big Bang collisions. It creates collision that are LIKE them. And there is a big difference.Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Pfft they haven't colided their particles with each other. THEN the world will end. (Possibly)

When physicists have sex, the world ends?

I direct everyone's attention to xkcd. Supercollider? I hardly know her!

While the world didn't end, something very odd did happen last night. I don't know what, because I can't remember anything past 6 PM or so. I can only conclude that the unstable forces stirred up by the LHC transformed most of the contents of my liquor cabinet (well, the sock drawer where I conceal my liquor so my greedy friends won't steal it) into vomit and then transferred it to the interior of my closet. Being so near these peculiar events has given me a tremendous headache, and I fear I may well die. In case this is my last post, I want only to say:
Physicists are utter bastards.

While the world didn't end, something very odd did happen last night. I don't know what, because I can't remember anything past 6 PM or so. I can only conclude that the unstable forces stirred up by the LHC transformed most of the contents of my liquor cabinet (well, the sock drawer where I conceal my liquor so my greedy friends won't steal it) into vomit and then transferred it to the interior of my closet. Being so near these peculiar events has given me a tremendous headache, and I fear I may well die. In case this is my last post, I want only to say:
Physicists are utter bastards.You've been sleep binge drinking again?

While the world didn't end, something very odd did happen last night. I don't know what, because I can't remember anything past 6 PM or so. I can only conclude that the unstable forces stirred up by the LHC transformed most of the contents of my liquor cabinet (well, the sock drawer where I conceal my liquor so my greedy friends won't steal it) into vomit and then transferred it to the interior of my closet. Being so near these peculiar events has given me a tremendous headache, and I fear I may well die. In case this is my last post, I want only to say:
Physicists are utter bastards.

Wow, same here, and I woke up with a strange woman in my bed.

Weird.

Wow, same here, and I woke up with a strange woman in my bed.

Weird.

She traveled through the miniature black hole into our universe, she is now trapped because the black hole has dissipated. *nod*

You know, everybody says it's safe and whatnot...well, not everyone, but the scientists...but the fact is, they are trying to recreate the big bang.

Big. Bang.

You know, the massive explosion that (theorteticaly) created the universe? A Massive Explosion.

I dunno, it just gets to me.

Wow, same here, and I woke up with a strange woman in my bed.

Weird.

A woman made of strange matter?

A woman made of strange matter?

There's another kind?

Does this woman from another universe actually talk logically ? or still normal woman emotional babble?
IF so we might need to set up some sort of exchange with this other universe.

If we get sucked into a new universe, I call being king.

I think the LHC have way too much press about things that it can't do over thing it does do. Heavy particles using high energy concentration are always unstable and disappears in a faction of a second. Physicist have done this with every other particle accelerators for quite a while now. And while the LHC generates more energy it really isn't something new.

For a mere £5 billion? Not actually that much money to keep 10,000 physicists off the streets for 20 years :p

I completely agree: If one unemployed physicist tried to take over an obscure Channel Island, just imagine what an entire army would attempt!

Does this woman from another universe actually talk logically ? or still normal woman emotional babble?
IF so we might need to set up some sort of exchange with this other universe.

Hard to say, one thing is that I have a hazy memory of meeting a stunningly beautiful woman at some point in the night but she somehow transformed herself into, well let's just say I could put lipstick on her...

A woman made of strange matter?

Well.. a lot of up and down in any case. But I fear some charm was involved...

Aside: the LHC did claim one victim. A girl in India committed suicide wednesday by drinking poison, because she feared the black holes after a media doomsday campaign.

Well done pseudoscientists ! You have gotten ID in the classroom, made everybody scared of a nifty detector and have now finally killed. What is next on your agenda ?

Here's (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html) CERN's layman's version of their safety report, ruling out various dangers. I think we're safe. :)

Wow, same here, and I woke up with a strange woman in my bed.

Weird.

Was her name Higgs Boson, cos I know some people who are looking for her.

You know, everybody says it's safe and whatnot...well, not everyone, but the scientists...but the fact is, they are trying to recreate the big bang.

Big. Bang.

You know, the massive explosion that (theorteticaly) created the universe? A Massive Explosion.

I dunno, it just gets to me.
Uh, no. First off, Big Bang is a metaphorical term, not exactly literal.

Secondly, I want you to contemplate what you just suggested. You're suggesting that somehow we have the capability to create UNIVERSES?!

Do you not realize what a ridiculous statement you've made?!

Uh, no. First off, Big Bang is a metaphorical term, not exactly literal.

Secondly, I want you to contemplate what you just suggested. You're suggesting that somehow we have the capability to create UNIVERSES?!

Do you not realize what a ridiculous statement you've made?!

If you are not going to back up your comment with links, you might as well admit defeat.

and can you think of any reasons why they would want to destroy the world they live on?Because it would be frikkin' awesome.
Admit it, it would be.

If you are not going to back up your comment with links, you might as well admit defeat.Wouldn't that apply to your post and Setulan's as well? I didn't see any links in there.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html has a section on misconceptions about the big bang. (And because I posted a link, I won't have to admit defeat! Yay!)

a) Common misconceptions about the Big Bang

In most popularized science sources, BBT is often described with something like "The universe came into being due to the explosion of a point in which all matter was concentrated." Not surprisingly, this is probably the standard impression which most people have of the theory. Occasionally, one even hears "In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded."

There are several misconceptions hidden in these statements:

* The BBT is not about the origin of the universe. Rather, its primary focus is the development of the universe over time.
* BBT does not imply that the universe was ever point-like.
* The origin of the universe was not an explosion of matter into already existing space.


Anyway, the LHC is not trying to create a big bang, but to recreate the conditions of a very small piece of space right after the big bang.

If you are not going to back up your comment with links, you might as well admit defeat.

Seriously? That's your argument?

There's a difference between debating specific policy decisions and talking about something that IS TECHNOLOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A CIVILIZATION CONFINED TO A SINGLE PLANET! :rolleyes:

You never know, maybe we've been creating universes for years and not realised it.

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You never know, maybe we've been creating universes for years and not realised it.

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I created one just this mornign before I left for work, then I dutifly folded the TP, wiped and flushed.

Ohhhh heheh sorry wrong thread.

You never know, maybe we've been creating universes for years and not realised it.

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<.<What if we did know? Would we invade for oil, play god or let them be?

I created one just this mornign before I left for work, then I dutifly folded the TP, wiped and flushed.

Ohhhh heheh sorry wrong thread.

Yay cross-referencing!


..anyhow, this thread and the various links in it were very helpful yesterday night when I had to convince the boyfriend that no, the LHC is not ZOMG Teh Ebil and will, in fact, not be the end of the world as we know it.

Wouldn't that apply to your post and Setulan's as well? I didn't see any links in there.


I was paraphrasing something Kyronea said to me earlier to highlight its ridiculousness.

Uh, no. First off, Big Bang is a metaphorical term, not exactly literal.

Secondly, I want you to contemplate what you just suggested. You're suggesting that somehow we have the capability to create UNIVERSES?!

Do you not realize what a ridiculous statement you've made?!

Oh, baby, we could make it literal!! ;) :fluffle: :perv:

Oh, baby, we could make it literal!! ;) :fluffle: :perv:

i would not want the room next door

What if we did know? Would we invade for oil, play god or let them be?

The first two.

The first two.

What? Like pump the oil under ground, litter the place with fossils, claim it was Satan's trying to undermine their faith and invade them for being heretical atheist scum? Because I like this plan.

The first two.
Three would happen when their oil runs out.:tongue:

Here's (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html) CERN's layman's version of their safety report, ruling out various dangers. I think we're safe. :)
Safe, maybe, but secure? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern212.xml)
Hackers attack Large Hadron Collider
Hackers have mounted an attack on the Large Hadron Collider, raising concerns about the security of the biggest experiment in the world as it passes an important new milestone.

... It has emerged that, as the first particles were circulating in the machine near Geneva, a Greek group had hacked into the facility and displayed a page with the headline "GST: Greek Security Team."

The people responsible signed off: "We are 2600 - dont mess with us. (sic)"

The website - cmsmon.cern.ch - can no longer be accessed by the public as a result of the attack.

Scientists working at Cern, the organisation that runs the vast smasher, were worried about what the hackers could do because they were "one step away" from the computer control system of one of the huge detectors of the machine, a vast magnet that weighs 12,500 tons, measuring around 21 metres in length and 15 metres wide/high.
...

Safe, maybe, but secure? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/09/12/scicern212.xml)

It can be very secure if they wanted it to be. Just cut the physical access lines to the outside world, rely solely on the internal network, and there you go. No more hackers.

It can be very secure if they wanted it to be. Just cut the physical access lines to the outside world, rely solely on the internal network, and there you go. No more hackers.
I don't understand why they didn't do that already.

I was paraphrasing something Kyronea said to me earlier to highlight its ridiculousness.

No. No you weren't. You were making yourself look foolish. Again.

I was talking about the rules of debate, where if you do not have a source and/or some sort of evidence for your claims, or if you refuse to back them up at all, you lose, regardless of the actual validity of your argument.

Whereas here this isn't a debate. It's one person telling another person how ridiculous something they just said is, which it is, quite obviously.

It's entirely different, and you're just making yourself look worse by doing it.

Oh, baby, we could make it literal!! ;) :fluffle: :perv:
:fluffle:

i would not want the room next door

;)

What? Like pump the oil under ground, litter the place with fossils, claim it was Satan's trying to undermine their faith and invade them for being heretical atheist scum? Because I like this plan.
As do I.
Three would happen when their oil runs out.:tongue:
Nah, playing god will still be fun once we run out of oil.

I don't understand why they didn't do that already.
Well, it's a research facility, not a military one - guess they didn't think through that with publicity come hackers.

I don't understand why they didn't do that already.

Because the data will be analysed by thousands (if not millions) of computers owned by individuals all over the world participating in the grid.

And hell - CERN invented the web. It is their little baby - no wish to cut it off ;)

Because the data will be analysed by thousands (if not millions) of computers owned by individuals all over the world participating in the grid.

And hell - CERN invented the web. It is their little baby - no wish to cut it off ;)

I think you'll find that Al Gore invented the internet.

I think you'll find that Al Gore invented the internet.

And CERN the web ;)

And CERN the web ;)

Same thing, duh :rolleyes:

I think you'll find that Al Gore invented the internet.
Al Gore might have invented an internet, but I have invented two!

LHC, are we dead yet? (http://www.hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com/)

Same thing, duh :rolleyes:

Eeeehm - no. The world wide web and the underlying infrastructure of the internet are two different things.

Eeeehm - no. The world wide web and the underlying infrastructure of the internet are two different things.

Needs more smilies next time.



PROTIP: Ifreann is doing computer science in teh college.

PROTIP: Ifreann is doing computer science in teh college.

And you still don't know how the Internet works? For shame.

And you still don't know how the Internet works? For shame.

PROTIP: Ifreann was being sarcastic.

PROTIP: Ifreann was being sarcastic.

Suuuuuuure he was.

Because the data will be analysed by thousands (if not millions) of computers owned by individuals all over the world participating in the grid.

And hell - CERN invented the web. It is their little baby - no wish to cut it off ;)
It wouldn't be too hard to simply split their systems into an external (connected to the web) and an internal, with the information being just transferred by hand (via disposable 1TB hard drives)...

It wouldn't be too hard to simply split their systems into an external (connected to the web) and an internal, with the information being just transferred by hand (via disposable 1TB hard drives)...

So you're volunteering to do the transfer? Do you realise how much data they're actually generating?

You probably want to check this out:

LHC Camera (http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html)

So you're volunteering to do the transfer? Do you realise how much data they're actually generating?

AFAIK it is 17TB a day, you'd only need to connect 17 HDs a day into the external system.

I am greatly disappointed that my tax-euros have went into the construction of a NON-FUNCTIONAL superweapon. :p

AFAIK it is 17TB a day, you'd only need to connect 17 HDs a day into the external system.

But still. Be boring as high hell, just sitting there, unplugging a disk, moving it over, waiting for the data to be sent out, moving it back, etc.

Much simpler to just do a permanent connection. And this loophole, from what I've read about it, should be a one-off.

And you still don't know how the Internet works? For shame.
The reason CERN was constructed was to see how big a tube to carry internets through could be. The answer - big.

Does it really count as a series of tubes though? it's only, like, 3.