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After much drama, the Indo-US nuke deal is almost complete. I believe the major obstacle - a unanimous waiver from the 45 member NSG - was cleared today.

Time to invest in certain stocks. ;)

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/00061706.htm
India gets NSG waiver

VIENNA: In a major success for India's nuclear ambitions, the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on Saturday granted it a crucial waiver that will enable it to carry out nuclear commerce, ending 34 years of isolation enforced in the wake of the 1974 Pokharan nuclear tests.

The unprecedented decision of the 45-nation nuclear cartel giving exemption to a country which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) is a landmark step in the implementation of the Indo-US nuclear deal that will now go to the US Congress for approval.

For a second I thought you talking about a more familiar NSG...

oh...never occurred to me..

looks like I can't edit the title..

this is good?

*in Indian accent* "India has the atomic bomb now my friend. I could turn this place into Chicken Tikka. Pakistan has the atomic bomb too. We're prepared to go to war over Kashmir and your President thought it was a fuckin' sweater." -Robin Williams.

Hooray for Nuclear Proliferation?

It's referring to nuclear reactors, not weaponry. Specifically, the commerce involved in trading uranium and such.

oh...never occurred to me..

looks like I can't edit the title..

So you want to say it wasn't on purpose?

No one will believe.*

*Prove me wrong.

As if NSG could ever agree on anything.

As if NSG could ever agree on anything.

I disagree.

Yep, yep, NSG rules the world, beyotches. The nations of the world don't get nothin' 'less we say so. :cool:

We do good work :)

Overall response to the OP is that it is good news. It demonstrates that if a nation has good intentions and doesn't act as an international pariah they will be welcomed into the fold. Sends a positive message in my opinion.

I believe the major obstacle - a unanimous waiver from the 45 member NSG - was cleared today.

well i didn't vote for it

Hooray for Nuclear Proliferation?

Why?

If that club can have known proliferator (points to China), what is the problem in a waiver to somebody who has never proliferated?

It's referring to nuclear reactors, not weaponry. Specifically, the commerce involved in trading uranium and such.

Yes. India is going to separate its existing facilities into clearly civilian and clearly military and will allow full inspection to civilian facilities and will also allow monitoring of the fuel imported so it is not diverted to nuke-making.

How the fuck is this proliferation, I don't get it:confused:

If this was not cleared, India would have no choice but to divert all domestic Uranium to bombs and open up coal-burning plants. India has large reserves of high-polluting coal and a huge exponentially increasing demand for power. I guess that is a better alternative and a good "reward" for a nation that has never proliferated and whose only crime is that it did not test before some arbitrary date in 1965. :rolleyes:

Yes. India is going to separate its existing facilities into clearly civilian and clearly military and will allow full inspection to civilian facilities and will also allow monitoring of the fuel imported so it is not diverted to nuke-making.

How the fuck is this proliferation, I don't get it:confused:

If this was not cleared, India would have no choice but to divert all domestic Uranium to bombs and open up coal-burning plants. India has large reserves of high-polluting coal and a huge exponentially increasing demand for power. I guess that is a better alternative and a good "reward" for a nation that has never proliferated and whose only crime is that it did not test before some arbitrary date in 1965. :rolleyes:

It's a great thing that nuclear power is being opened up to more nations. India certainly deserves it, because India has come along quite well in the world after being held down by the British for so long. I salute the Republic of India's advances.

Good For India. I only wish we would switch all of our power over to nuclear plants.

Good For India. I only wish we would switch all of our power over to nuclear plants.

and research fusion power.

How the fuck is this proliferation, I don't get it:confused:
It's because India has explicitly refused to sign any non-proliferation treaties. They become a back-door to the recognised nuclear powers, not being under any restrictions themselves as to trading in materials or technology, thus totally undermining the point of the NPT in the first place, which is to diplomatically seal off any possible route by which nuclear armament of non-nuclear states can take place.

Isn't that just common sense?

^ No.

Fact is those who are in the club are the known proliferators.

India has not proliferated to anybody.

There are restrictions on enrichment technology trading even under this waiver.

Besides, India already has the bomb. Where is the proliferation?

There is no "rollback" of what India already knows to make and has in its stock.

That is the reality. Deal with it. Common sense or not.

I disagree.

I disagree, meaning that I agree with the idea that NSG never agrees. But since we can never agree, I disagree with my agreeing that NSG never agrees.

I disagree, meaning that I agree with the idea that NSG never agrees. But since we can never agree, I disagree with my agreeing that NSG never agrees.

No, you don't.