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The daily show sums up the talking heads sent out by the republican party. Showing that the media is biased, but not always in the direction that people claim. Enjoy and make sure the sound is up.

http://vodpod.com/watch/986530-sarah-palin-gender-card-the-daily-show-comedy-central

I'm sorry, I had to makie this a seperate thread because I am talking more about the news media than simply the race itself. There is bias on all fronts, and I'd like the holier than thou comments by some on this board of the pahantom liberal media to die.

Poll coming

Yeah, not surprised.

I watched this minutes ago and thought "NSG topic" and then I thought "probably not worth a thread". I guess that's both an endorsement and a critisism. But I'd like to emphasise the first part.

Top work from TDS team.

Living in Europe and not watching much TV has made me largely ignorant about how the media has treated Palin. Therefore I must conclude that the evil liberal media have been unfairly criticising her over petty things and out right lying about her.

What, no option for saying they've been way too easy on her?

For the record, Wasilla is the fourth largest city in Alaska, behind Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau. It just recently passed Sitka. It has a population of 9,236 as of 2006.

For the record, Wasilla is the fourth largest city in Alaska, behind Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau. It just recently passed Sitka. It has a population of 9,236 as of 2006.

Well, I seem to recall hearing someone passing her off as mayor of Alaska's second largest city, so it seems someone was lying(not sure by I think it was Carl Rove).

Well, I seem to recall hearing someone passing her off as mayor of Alaska's second largest city, so it seems someone was lying(not sure by I think it was Carl Rove).

Yeah, it was Turd Blossom himself, on the juicy Daily Show segment about I Can't Believe It's Not Hillary.

Well, I seem to recall hearing someone passing her off as mayor of Alaska's second largest city, so it seems someone was lying(not sure by I think it was Carl Rove).

Yeah that was Rove, in that video. That's why I posted what I did.

It's a bit misleading, too, to say that it's the "fourth-largest city" in Alaska. Anchorage is first, with 278,000 people. Fairbanks and Juneau are second and third, with about 33,000 and 31,000 respectively. Then Wasilla is fourth, with 9,000. It's a bit of a drop off, and it misleads you into thinking it's more meaningful than it is. There are universities with more people than Wasilla. It's not really the same as being mayor of the fourth-largest city in, say, California or New York.

I am at York University in Toronto, with around 60,000 students.

More beer.

I am at York University in Toronto, with around 60,000 students.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If Wasilla was a town in Massachusetts, where I'm from, it would be 182nd.

Living in Europe and not watching much TV has made me largely ignorant about how the media has treated Palin. Therefore I must conclude that the evil liberal media have been unfairly criticising her over petty things and out right lying about her.

I heard they said she sprays blood from her naughty bits every month! How slanderous!

What, no option for saying they've been way too easy on her?

Indeed, this.

Really, their's little good to be said for this woman. She's got theocratic leanings, has less experience than Obama (and none on the national stage), is under investigation, and was probably picked as a last minute political ploy because McCain lacked the nerve to pick Liberman. Considering she might take his place as President, it also says a lot about how much McCain really values experienced leadership in the White House.

Jon Stewart 2012.

The only candidate the media has been easier on then Sarah Palin is John McCain.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If Wasilla was a town in Massachusetts, where I'm from, it would be 182nd.

Wikipedia only lists the top 100 cities in Cali by population. #100, Chino Hills, has 79,000.

Palin is more experienced then Obama. I dont get why experience has been raised about Palin. All it would do for me is highlight the fact that senator Obama has even less experience at leading people.

Palin is a true republican in every sense of the world. She also has a good track record in the jobs she has done. her small town gave her a satisfaction rating of 80%. She must have done something right.

Palin is more experienced then Obama. I dont get why experience has been raised about Palin. All it would do for me is highlight the fact that senator Obama has even less experience at leading people.

Palin is a true republican in every sense of the world. She also has a good track record in the jobs she has done. her small town gave her a satisfaction rating of 80%. She must have done something right.

She also is anti-choice, hates minorities (especially those dirty queers), is pro-censorship, and a theocrat.


I agree, she is a Republican in every sense of the word.

Oh, and please explain how she has more experiance then Obama. Because I disagree. She has no forgein policy experiance and didnt even know what the VP does. But, Republicans do love their ignorant.

and didnt even know what the VP does.

That's going a bit overboard.

That's going a bit overboard.

It would be if she hadnt said it.

As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html


Yep, the Vice President isnt even productive.

Oh, and please explain how she has more experiance then Obama. Because I disagree.

Obamas leadership experience is...
At least running a town involves some leadership which is far more than nothing

Obamas leadership experience is...
At least running a town involves some leadership which is far more than nothing

Having spent your entire adult life working in communities and being a civil rights attorny is far more important experiance then having been in politicals longer.


Oh, and for the record, hes been in politics longer then her too. IL state senate then the federal senate.

Palin is more experienced then Obama. I dont get why experience has been raised about Palin. All it would do for me is highlight the fact that senator Obama has even less experience at leading people.

Palin is a true republican in every sense of the world. She also has a good track record in the jobs she has done. her small town gave her a satisfaction rating of 80%. She must have done something right.

If "leading people" is how we're describing "experience" now, then McCain has exactly as much "experience" as Obama. None. McCain was elected to the House in 1982 and the Senate in 1986. He's been a Congressman/Senator his entire political life.

Having spent your entire adult life working in communities and being a civil rights attorny is far more important experiance then having been in politicals longer.


Oh, and for the record, hes been in politics longer then her too. IL state senate then the federal senate.

So he was a lawyer. And hes been in politics. That dosnt mean hes lead anyone

If "leading people" is how we're describing "experience" now, then McCain has exactly as much "experience" as Obama. None. McCain was elected to the House in 1982 and the Senate in 1986. He's been a Congressman/Senator his entire political life.

Funny i though McCain lead his millitary unit

Funny i though McCain lead his millitary unit

You thought that, did you? When did he lead his military unit? When he was the CO of a training squadron in Florida, after his POW experience? Because that's the only command experience he's ever had.

What, no option for saying they've been way too easy on her?

Damnit! I'll have to go back and edit.

Palin is more experienced then Obama.

Palin's experience consists of 12 years in elected office: 10 years as a city councilor and mayor and nearly two as governor.

Obama's also consists of 12 years in office: eight years as a state senator and close to four as a U.S. senator.

How does ten years in local office in a tiny town and two in state office in one of the smallest states trump eight in state office in a state with cities many times larger than her whole state and four years in national office?

And don't even get me started of foreign policy experience, the main job of the president.

I dont get why experience has been raised about Palin.

The GOP made it one when they questioned the experience of Obama, who I'll note has more expereince than the GOP's first and arguably greatest president, Lincoln.

You needed TDS to tell you that the media is bias both ways?

You needed TDS to show you that some elements are bias towards one party and not another?

Though I question TDS for talking about a top member of Mccain's political campaign team and then showing the double standards is not fair as bias in the media if that is what TDS was proving, if not then the OP has been dishonest in not offering that bit up as proof.

Palin's experience consists of 12 years in elected office: 10 years as a city councilor and mayor and nearly two as governor.

Obama's also consists of 12 years in office: eight years as a state senator and close to four as a U.S. senator.

How does ten years in local office in a tiny town and two in state office in one of the smallest states trump eight in state office in a state with cities many times larger than her whole state and four years in national office?

It's called executive power, as governor she has had more experience being in an executive position where as Obama's experience has only been in the legislature.

It's called executive power, as governor she has had more experience being in an executive position where as Obama's experience has only been in the legislature.

1) How much executive experience did Lincoln, Kennedy, or John McCain have?

2) Do you really think being the mayor of a town of 9,000 and half a term as the governor of the 4th smallest state is a qualification for the President?

You needed TDS to tell you that the media is bias both ways?

You needed TDS to show you that some elements are bias towards one party and then another?

Though I question TDS for talking about a top member of Mccain's political campaign team and then showing the double standards is not fair as bias in the media if that is what TDS was proving, if not then the OP has been dishonest in not offering that bit up as proof.

Honest to Kali, I don't even know what you're trying to say half of the time.

It's called executive power, as governor she has had more experience being in an executive position where as Obama's experience has only been in the legislature.

I'd like to see a summary of some of the decisions she's been called upon to face as governor of Alaska. And voting for and then against the Bridge of Big Republican Hyperbole is not going to impress me.

Oh, and please explain how she has more experiance then Obama. Because I disagree. She has no forgein policy experiance and didnt even know what the VP does. But, Republicans do love their ignorant.

She has had more experience being in charge of the executive brach of a government. Obama has had none. Now I am not saying this is good but this is the extra experience she has had over Obama.

P.S Like the new avatar.

Obamas leadership experience is...
At least running a town involves some leadership which is far more than nothing

Really, so how much leadership experience does John McCain have? Please not, I like John McCain just less than Obama. You're not really talking about leadership though. You are talking about the much blathered about "executive experience. If we were simply talking about "leadership" than I would say Obama has the following leadership experience:

1. Barack Obama has a Harvard Law Degree and was the first African American President of the Harvard Law Review. The president of the Harvard Law Review often goes on to become a clerk for a Federal Court of Appeals judge then for an associate Justice of the Supreme Court. Instead, he went back to Chicago to work on a voter registration drive that resulted in voter registration in Chicago's 19 predominantly black wards outnumbering those in the city's 19 predominantly white ethnic wards for the first time in Chicago's history.

2. He led people in Chicago during his community organizer days. It's funny though, the other day the RNC was holding up "service" signs. Their VP choice then went on to chastise Barack Obama for being a community organizer and giving his time in service. When he was doing this work he raised voter registration in the districts where African American are the majority to having more voters than the 1districts where Caucasians were the majority.

3. In the Illinois Senate Barack managed to help more children get health insurance than ever before. He also helped to get more people off welfare in a welfare to work program. He did this while reaching across the aisle and working with the Republicans.

4. He taught Constitutional Law and Civil Rights Law. During this time he represented indigent people pro-bono.

5. He served 8 years as a Senator in Illinois and now 3 in DC. 11 years of experience is not "little."

6. In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

7. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars are spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

8. He also worked across party lines to pass laws to prevent proliferation of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. He did this with Richard Lugar, a Republican.

9. Obama's foreign policy experience includes graduating from Columbia University with a degree in political science with an emphasis on international relations. In the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. When comparing Obama's foreign policy experience with other candidates for President you have Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Democrat Hillary Clinton who is a member of the Armed Services Committee and John McCain who is the Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee yet there is no Senator except for Barack Obama who serves on three of the four committees that deal with foreign policy.

I'll stop there and continue tomorrow. I'm exhausted and I need to be up early.

1) How much executive experience did Lincoln, Kennedy, or John McCain have?

2) Do you really think being the mayor of a town of 9,000 and half a term as the governor of the 4th smallest state is a qualification for the President?

I am not going to debate nor do I care if she has had more or not, but are you going to tell me that Obama has had more experience being the head of the executive branch of the government than Palin?

Really you asked a question what are they talking about more experience I answered it and told you what they mean when they say more experience, you can question it if you want I won't refute as I don't really care that much if she has or not.

To answer your questions.
1) None though Kennedy was a commander of a PT boat.

2)No I don't in the sense that because you have been mayor of a town and a governor of a state (I don't think the size of the state matters either) doesn't automatically mean you are cut out to be President, but that is not to say because you have only been those things doesn't make you cut out to be President.

You needed TDS to tell you that the media is bias both ways?

You needed TDS to show you that some elements are bias towards one party and not another?

Though I question TDS for talking about a top member of Mccain's political campaign team and then showing the double standards is not fair as bias in the media if that is what TDS was proving, if not then the OP has been dishonest in not offering that bit up as proof.

1. No, but it sure is a lot more fun.

2. No, but it sure is a lot more fun.

3. I think the bias in the media part was how news organizations allow people like Karl Rove and Bill O'Relly to contradict even themselves. Showing the double-standards is funny. A true and unbiased media would call people out on their bullshit when they say it. Instead the media allows people to put out information which is blatantly false. For instance, Campbell Brown ask a top McCain official to give some specifics about Sara Palin. The official couldn't put together a response so he started accusing her of being biased and taking away from the accomplishments of a woman. Instead of saying...she did xyz, he tried to obfuscate and cry foul. Was it that he didn't know the answer? Was it that he wanted to paint Palin as the victim?

It's called executive power, as governor she has had more experience being in an executive position where as Obama's experience has only been in the legislature.

Ah, so then she has more executive experience than McCain. If executive experience is so important why is she not at the top of the ticket?

I am not going to debate nor do I care if she has had more or not, but are you going to tell me that Obama has had more experience being the head of the executive branch of the government than Palin?

Really you asked a question what are they talking about more experience I answered it and told you what they mean when they say more experience, you can question it if you want I won't refute as I don't really care that much if she has or not.

To answer your questions.
1) None though Kennedy was a commander of a PT boat.

2)No I don't in the sense that because you have been mayor of a town and a governor of a state (I don't think the size of the state matters either) doesn't automatically mean you are cut out to be President, but that is not to say because you have only been those things doesn't make you cut out to be President.

I can actually agree with you here. And now I really do need to go to bed.

I'm sorry but Fox News is simply unashamedly biased. One of the problems in the liberal media is that they report errors made by the Democrats as much as by the Republicans, which is only a problem in the sense that they don't help the Democratic candidate much.

Fox News has not reported that the 'Bridge to Nowhere' line is completely false, one the Republicans continue to use.

Yet it's the small stuff they do.

On the Bill O'Reilly interview with Barack Obama, which I really don't think Barack Obama should have done despite assurances of fairness from that lizard Murdoch, there were a number of discrepancies, two of which were...

When Barack Obama said he was prepared, the line underneath quoted him as saying 'I am preppy'.

Barack Obama admitted that the surge was working, Fox are still touting that he refuses to admit this even though he's just done so on Fox News itself.

Fox has what, a 50-60% market share of the news? It simply lies.

This is partly why, I'm afraid, I still think John McCain will win regardless of any fact, the Republicans are simply so much better at winning.

I am not going to debate nor do I care if she has had more or not, but are you going to tell me that Obama has had more experience being the head of the executive branch of the government than Palin?

So you're saying you don't know that "executive experience" is more important than any other kind of experience, nor do you care at all, you simply felt it necessary to parrot every pundit in a thousand mile radius by bringing it up?

Honest to Kali, I don't even know what you're trying to say half of the time.

I am trying to say did people really need TDS to tell you that sections of the media was biased?

And using a member of McCain's politcal campaign team is not real evidence of that. Of course she is going show bias towards the party and McCain.

I'd like to see a summary of some of the decisions she's been called upon to face as governor of Alaska. And voting for and then against the Bridge of Big Republican Hyperbole is not going to impress me.

Well let's see shall we. I am only doing a quick search as I don't really care that much if she has or hasn't because she has had more experience being the head of the executive arm of a government than Obama, which is the extra experience they are talking about.

The budget where she signed into law the largest budget into Alaska's history, where she cut the construction budget and took away benefits such as the jet (which had been implemented under the previous administration despite what the legislature wanted)

Exploration of gas and oil increased and has giving authority to some companies to allow them to build gas pipelines, and increased the taxes on these companies as well as an attempt to ensure that moose populations are allowed to flourish.

Now these might not be a lot and they might not be everything she has done as governor. And you may disagree with them all but there is some things she has done, it not like she sits in Juneau twiddling her thumbs all day.

So you're saying you don't know that "executive experience" is more important than any other kind of experience, nor do you care at all, you simply felt it necessary to parrot every pundit in a thousand mile radius by bringing it up?

Well if I am parroting what every pundit in a thousand mile radius is saying then why are people still asking? And that is why I brought it up because somebody asked

3. I think the bias in the media part was how news organizations allow people like Karl Rove and Bill O'Relly to contradict even themselves. Showing the double-standards is funny. A true and unbiased media would call people out on their bullshit when they say it. Instead the media allows people to put out information which is blatantly false. For instance, Campbell Brown ask a top McCain official to give some specifics about Sara Palin. The official couldn't put together a response so he started accusing her of being biased and taking away from the accomplishments of a woman. Instead of saying...she did xyz, he tried to obfuscate and cry foul. Was it that he didn't know the answer? Was it that he wanted to paint Palin as the victim?

Yes, and I think you would find a purely objective media company on either side and I am unhappy about it as much as the next guy, I don't care if it supports my view or not I would rather it be free of bias and have the facts in the story rather than having some spin on it or presenting it that supports one persons view

The budget where she signed into law the largest budget into Alaska's history, where she cut the construction budget and took away benefits such as the jet (which had been implemented under the previous administration despite what the legislature wanted)

Alaska is what, 3rd for receiving federal money per tax dollar?

She spent how much on sending lobbyists to Washington?

It's just bullshit.

Yes, and I think you would find a purely objective media company on either side and I am unhappy about it as much as the next guy, I don't care if it supports my view or not I would rather it be free of bias and have the facts in the story rather than having some spin on it or presenting it that supports one persons view

There's a difference between bias in opinion and outright lying.

The budget where she signed into law the largest budget into Alaska's history, where she cut the construction budget and took away benefits such as the jet (which had been implemented under the previous administration despite what the legislature wanted)

Exploration of gas and oil increased and has giving authority to some companies to allow them to build gas pipelines, and increased the taxes on these companies as well as an attempt to ensure that moose populations are allowed to flourish.

Now these might not be a lot and they might not be everything she has done as governor. And you may disagree with them all but there is some things she has done, it not like she sits in Juneau twiddling her thumbs all day.

I was sort of hoping for things she didn't bring up in her own speech, but I'll live with the disappointment.

At 23, Obama joined and ran a charity group in Chicago called the Developing Communities Project. During that time, and I am quoting the Dallas Morning News here:

It was made up of eight Catholic parishes when he got there and had one staff member. He was its director, meaning he was in charge. He made decisions about it, including staffing, budgets, etc. And when he left in 1988 to go to law school, he had grown its budget from $70,000 to $400,000, its staff from 1 to 13 people. More important, he created a job training program for this community and a college prep tutoring program.

That sounds about comparable to Palin auctioning off a jet and protecting the moose (but not the polar bears, fuck the polar bears apparently). And he did that from the ages of 23 to 27, before graduating from Harvard Law, practicing, teaching, and joining the Senate. None of which, if I have my facts straight, Palin has any experience with.

Alaska is what, 3rd for receiving federal money per tax dollar?

She spent how much on sending lobbyists to Washington?

It's just bullshit.

Don't ask me mate, ask a member of the GOP.

There's a difference between bias in opinion and outright lying.

Yes there is but bias in opinion is still poor.

Don't ask me mate, ask a member of the GOP.

It's not hard to find unless you're looking at Fox, Wasilla alone...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148_pf.html

I was sort of hoping for things she didn't bring up in her own speech, but I'll live with the disappointment.

At 23, Obama joined and ran a charity group in Chicago called the Developing Communities Project. During that time, and I am quoting the Dallas Morning News here:


That sounds about comparable to Palin auctioning off a jet and protecting the moose (but not the polar bears, fuck the polar bears apparently). And he did that from the ages of 23 to 27, before graduating from Harvard Law, practicing, teaching, and joining the Senate. None of which, if I have my facts straight, Palin has any experience with.

Well because I just did a quick search on Wiki that's all I had as for her speech I switched over halfway through because the early evening news had started.

If I see something more I will let you know, though I won't be checking to see if it was in her speech.

That's good for Obama though I would compare it more to being a mayor rather than a governor, but as I said she does have more experience being the head of the executive branch of a governor than Obama.

Actually a couple more things, while mayor she secured funds and built for her community a youth shelter, a transportation hub and establishing a rail link between her town and the nearby resort city Girdwood.

I got this information from typing in 'Palin spend money lobbyists'

Up to page 5, every major media is covered, including PBS and even some foreign media, a few blogs and various sites, nothing from FOX.

When half the viewing public are only receiving one side of the news, something is wrong.

It's not hard to find unless you're looking at Fox, Wasilla alone...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148_pf.html

Fair enough but that was about when she was mayor (which after you have posted I had mentioned) but the budget I was talking about was the budget for the state of Alaska rather than for the town she was mayor of.

I got this information from typing in 'Palin spend money lobbyists'

Up to page 5, every major media is covered, including PBS and even some foreign media, a few blogs and various sites, nothing from FOX.

When half the viewing public are only receiving one side of the news, something is wrong.

Which is why it is poor that the public only get their news from only one source.

Actually a couple more things, while mayor she secured funds and built for her community a youth shelter, a transportation hub and establishing a rail link between her town and the nearby resort city Girdwood.

Using the same firm Ted Stevens et al used that led to his resignation as the most corrupt senator in probably the most corrupt state in the US, a person who she worked for on a 527 group set up by him, who she supported until he was blatantly caught, and now she 'took him on', much like the Bridge to Nowhere that she still says she was against except she supported it until Federal money was stopped, and not by her.

Yet guess what, it doesn't really matter because...

It's interesting, I suppose, to connect Palin to one of the more scandal-plagued lawmakers in Washington, but most Americans don't even know who Ted Stevens is.

Why don't they know? Well why would you when you watch a network that doesn't report on it.

It all doesn't matter does it, it's all just hoo-ha and Fox can continue to lie and so can the Republicans because, hey, it's the winning that matters and they do that very well, whatever it takes.

Using the same firm Ted Stevens et al used that led to his resignation as the most corrupt senator in probably the most corrupt state in the US, a person who she worked for on a 527 group set up by him, who she supported until he was blatantly caught, and now she 'took him on', much like the Bridge to Nowhere that she still says she was against except she supported it until Federal money was stopped, and not by her.

Well I just went on by what I read doing a quick search because I was asked what had she done.

Yet guess what, it doesn't really matter because...



Why don't they know? Well why would you when you watch a network that doesn't report on it.

It all doesn't matter does it, it's all just hoo-ha and Fox can continue to lie and so can the Republicans because, hey, it's the winning that matters and they do that very well, whatever it takes.

Well as I said it is pretty bad if people are only getting thier news from one source, but I do know about Ted Stevens when the whole thing blew up after reading about it on a (wait for it) Rupert Murdoch owned newspaper.

Jon Stewart 2012.

Mayans 2012

Well I just went on by what I read doing a quick search because I was asked what had she done.

To be honest, I don't much care for what she's done, she probably does what's best for her city and state.

I do care about a media that simply lies, it just lies and there's little denying it. One could present reams of evidence and the simple fact is that Fox is the very worst by a country mile, they have a carefully studied audience and they entertain them while pretending to be news. The Daily Mail does it in the UK, read Flat Earth News by Nick Davies, the news for these media outlets is about marketing a product, not reporting the facts objectively or even at all.

Well as I said it is pretty bad if people are only getting thier news from one source, but I do know about Ted Stevens when the whole thing blew up after reading about it on a (wait for it) Rupert Murdoch owned newspaper.

A Murdoch owned paper in Australia?

Different market, different audience, different news. He's not concerned with reporting, he's concerned with making money, politically I doubt he cares much as long as they give him market access in return for support. He's a businessman not a politician.

Well, I seem to recall hearing someone passing her off as mayor of Alaska's second largest city, so it seems someone was lying (not sure by I think it was Carl Rove).

Go with that feeling. If you sense someone's lying, Karl Rove is always a good place to start in searching for the source.

To be honest, I don't much care for what she's done, she probably does what's best for her city and state.

I do care about a media that simply lies, it just lies and there's little denying it. One could present reams of evidence and the simple fact is that Fox is the very worst by a country mile, they have a carefully studied audience and they entertain them while pretending to be news. The Daily Mail does it in the UK, read Flat Earth News by Nick Davies, the news for these media outlets is about marketing a product, not reporting the facts objectively or even at all.

Exactly, I have to agree with you.

A Murdoch owned paper in Australia?

Different market, different audience, different news. He's not concerned with reporting, he's concerned with making money, politically I doubt he cares much as long as they give him market access in return for support. He's a businessman not a politician.

Good I'm glad you uderstand, for a minute I thought you were one of those people who go around saying oh Murdoch and his media empire have a right wing bias blah blah blah.

Yes, and I think you would find a purely objective media company on either side and I am unhappy about it as much as the next guy, I don't care if it supports my view or not I would rather it be free of bias and have the facts in the story rather than having some spin on it or presenting it that supports one persons view

Agreed.

Mayans 2012

Touche.

Exactly, I have to agree with you.



Good I'm glad you uderstand, for a minute I thought you were one of those people who go around saying oh Murdoch and his media empire have a right wing bias blah blah blah.

You're right to agree. And I agree with you. :) Instead of news they offer us infotainment. Bill O'Reilly claiming the Spears parents are pinheads and then saying Palin's situation is "a private matter" is just too funny. But who among us didn't think he was a lying too anyhow?

Yay, another thread about a subject that we just love to dissect until there's nothing left but splintered bone and shredded flesh. Fortunately not all is futile, since there was a poll! Oh, wait...

8. He also worked across party lines to pass laws to prevent non-proliferation of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. He did this with Richard Lugar, a Republican.


I'm assuming you have an extraneous "non" in there. Unless he's actually FOR the proliferation (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/proliferation) of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

I'm assuming you have an extraneous "non" in there. Unless he's actually FOR the proliferation (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/proliferation) of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

Ha, yeah let me go back and change that. Thank you for pointing it out Sir.

Was it Colbert who said that he did not like reality because it had "a liberal bias"?

I heard they said she sprays blood from her naughty bits every month! How slanderous!

Well she's lost my illegal votes.

Never trust an animal that can bleed for two days without dying

Never trust an animal that can bleed for two days without dying

Our first South Park refference of the thread I beleive.

That line is increadibly sexist. It is also utterly hilarious.;)

Was it Colbert who said that he did not like reality because it had "a liberal bias"?

Yep. Nervy man.

Our first South Park refference of the thread I beleive.

Predates South Park, like every other joke they've ever done.