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Sure the title is the most extreme interpretation of the Alaska Independence Pary's platform but it is not an unreasonable one. The party does however advocate Alaska first and the rest of the country later and does advocate allowing Alaskans to vote on seccession from the union which would break up the United States of American into two seperate nations.

Sarah Palin is reputed to have been a member in the 90s, her husband almost certainly was. Does this disqualify her as a VP candidate. I would think if the Democrats were to run a candidate who had in the past advocated the break up of America the Republicans would have been outraged, are the Republicans willing to run someone so fundimentally unpatriotic when that is normally onr of their strong points?

Now it is possible ms. Palin was never a party member, but it seems clear she was at least a fellow traveller, can a person really beone heart beat away from the presidency if they weren't even sure if they believed the United States should remain a union of 50 states a decade ago?


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml

The Liberal Media™ will behave as if she never even heard of the movement, or as if her underaged daughter never got knocked up out of wedlock.

It's not an Empire you know.

Clearly this just shows that Palin loves America, unlike her opponents who are terrorists bent on its destruction.

Clearly this just shows that Palin loves America, unlike her opponents who are terrorists bent on its destruction.

As a Republican however, she'll never be forced to take the patriotism litmus test.

Damnation by association. Always a good tactic.

Couldn't this have gone in one of the two already existent Sarah Palin threads?

No, it couldn't. Because then... then...

Yeah, sarcasm = fail.

Did Sarah Palin advocate the Destruction of the United States

No. Alaskan secession would cause the destruction of the United States no more than American secession in 1783 caused the destruction of the United Kingdom.

Damnation by association. Always a good tactic.

Oh please. She joined a group that advocated the seccession of Alaska. She WILLINGLY joined this group. There is no damnation by association. She joined it.


But, the media isnt going after it.

It amusses me that the Rev. Wright story was front page news for weeks. But the Rep VP joining a group that advocated a states seccession? Not even toughed.


Liberal media indeed.

Oh please. She joined a group that advocated the seccession of Alaska. She WILLINGLY joined this group. There is no damnation by association. She joined it.


But, the media isnt going after it.

It amusses me that the Rev. Wright story was front page news for weeks. But the Rep VP joining a group that advocated a states seccession? Not even toughed.


Liberal media indeed.

The Republicans will simply play up Palin's membership in a fringe secessionist group as "Believes in Small Government."

Still, her husband was great in Monty Python.

Oh please. She joined a group that advocated the seccession of Alaska. She WILLINGLY joined this group. There is no damnation by association. She joined it.


But, the media isnt going after it.

It amusses me that the Rev. Wright story was front page news for weeks. But the Rep VP joining a group that advocated a states seccession? Not even toughed.


Liberal media indeed.

I can see that you've already made my arguments for me.

I'm not arguing that she willingly joined this group - the last documented occurence of her involvement in the group, apparently, was 1994, and she was 30 then. But her membership in the group does not necessarily mean that she believes on the entire fundamental platform on which the group is focused. Even one of those interviewed in the article said that individual members have different views - to the point that some still think that Alaska should continue statehood.

Oh please. She joined a group that advocated the seccession of Alaska. She WILLINGLY joined this group. There is no damnation by association. She joined it.


But, the media isnt going after it.

It amusses me that the Rev. Wright story was front page news for weeks. But the Rep VP joining a group that advocated a states seccession? Not even toughed.


Liberal media indeed.

you can't criticize the United States from the left but you can advocate succession from the right... actually it might help her with the hardcore Dixiecrat wing of the Republican Party, who still think the South was right in the civil war, it may help her with the White Nationalist vote was well, if she advocated succession for her adopted state of Alaska she may not be opposed to her birth state of Idaho going as well to form their own whites only republic.

As a Republican however, she'll never be forced to take the patriotism litmus test.

what's up with that anyways? When did the Republicans automatically become uber-patriots?

what's up with that anyways? When did the Republicans automatically become uber-patriots?

9/11 :tongue:

I can see that you've already made my arguments for me.

I'm not arguing that she willingly joined this group - the last documented occurence of her involvement in the group, apparently, was 1994, and she was 30 then. But her membership in the group does not necessarily mean that she believes on the entire fundamental platform on which the group is focused. Even one of those interviewed in the article said that individual members have different views - to the point that some still think that Alaska should continue statehood.
yeah but its the Alaska Independence Party, its pretty clear they advocate a fundimental change in Alaska's status within the Union.

you can't criticize the United States from the left but you can advocate succession from the right... actually it might help her with the hardcore Dixiecrat wing of the Republican Party, who still think the South was right in the civil war, it may help her with the White Nationalist vote was well, if she advocated succession for her adopted state of Alaska she may not be opposed to her birth state of Idaho going as well to form their own whites only republic.

Like I said, they'll spin it as "She Believes In Small Government".

Like I said, they'll spin it as "She Believes In Small Government". and to be fair the AIP does seem to be as much a far right small government party as an Alaskan Nationalist movement, they do team up with the Consistution Party at times, which aside from its virilent xenophobia and homophobia sort of floats in the political spectrum between the Republican religious right and the Libertarian party.

yeah but its the Alaska Independence Party, its pretty clear they advocate a fundimental change in Alaska's status within the Union.

Look, I'm a Republican. Tell me what I am and what I believe in and I'll tell you how different I am than the mainstream party. It doesn't make me a not-Republican, just a different voice.

Look, I'm a Republican. Tell me what I am and what I believe in and I'll tell you how different I am than the mainstream party. It doesn't make me a not-Republican, just a different voice.
i think Palin is a Republican, in fact i think she is more more interesting Republican than most, i just find her a very strange choice for VP. heck she may well appeal to a lot of the Ron Paul quasilibertarian crowd, but do you really want someone a hearbeat from the presidency who wasn't sure she even wanted her state to stay in the union 14 years ago.

i think Palin is a Republican, in fact i think she is more more interesting Republican than most, i just find her a very strange choice for VP. heck she may well appeal to a lot of the Ron Paul quasilibertarian crowd, but do you really want someone a hearbeat from the presidency who wasn't sure she even wanted her state to stay in the union 14 years ago.

Palin is a product marketed towards disgruntled Clinton Democrats.

I Can't Believe It's Not Hillary.

Sure the title is the most extreme interpretation of the Alaska Independence Pary's platform but it is not an unreasonable one. The party does however advocate Alaska first and the rest of the country later and does advocate allowing Alaskans to vote on seccession from the union which would break up the United States of American into two seperate nations.

Sarah Palin is reputed to have been a member in the 90s, her husband almost certainly was. Does this disqualify her as a VP candidate. I would think if the Democrats were to run a candidate who had in the past advocated the break up of America the Republicans would have been outraged, are the Republicans willing to run someone so fundimentally unpatriotic when that is normally onr of their strong points?

Now it is possible ms. Palin was never a party member, but it seems clear she was at least a fellow traveller, can a person really beone heart beat away from the presidency if they weren't even sure if they believed the United States should remain a union of 50 states a decade ago?


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml

I doubt she advocates such a thing. On the other hand, had she been a Democrat, the GOP would be all over this like a pack of hyenas on a wounded bunny. Why should the Democrats pull any punches?

i think Palin is a Republican, in fact i think she is more more interesting Republican than most, i just find her a very strange choice for VP. heck she may well appeal to a lot of the Ron Paul quasilibertarian crowd, but do you really want someone a hearbeat from the presidency who wasn't sure she even wanted her state to stay in the union 14 years ago.

I must say, I had a good chuckle when I heard that the governor of Alaska was going to be McCain's VP pick. I'm assuming that McCain picked her to appeal to the droves of voters turned off by Obama picking Biden instead of Clinton and nothing more. It'll be interesting how that'll pan out.

The thing is, though, membership in that group does not necessarily imply that she believes in their purpose statement. I'd like to see what, if any, her response is, but for now I'm at least a little speculative of how much she agreed with those interviewed from the AIP.

what's up with that anyways? When did the Republicans automatically become uber-patriots?

About the time that Alger Hiss got convicted of perjury probably.

what's up with that anyways? When did the Republicans automatically become uber-patriots?
By insane military funding, and when questioned why they actually number less than democrats in actual service, they attempt to make up for it with their embarrassing bravado.

By insane military funding, and when questioned why they actually number less than democrats in actual service, they attempt to make up for it with their embarrassing bravado.

That's what Operation Yellow Elephant (http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/) attempts to remedy.

I doubt she advocates such a thing. On the other hand, had she been a Democrat, the GOP would be all over this like a pack of hyenas on a wounded bunny. Why should the Democrats pull any punches?
i also think it is a real issue, something that is worthy of discussion, unlike the stuff about her daughter that i don't think anyone of good conscience really wants to get into.

i think Palin is a Republican, in fact i think she is more more interesting Republican than most, i just find her a very strange choice for VP. heck she may well appeal to a lot of the Ron Paul quasilibertarian crowd, but do you really want someone a hearbeat from the presidency who wasn't sure she even wanted her state to stay in the union 14 years ago.

There is ample precedent for this.

Reagan, while head of the Screen Actors Guild, openly advocated California Secession. Only a lengthy and heartfelt oral effort from Bo Derek convinced him to try to salvage the Union, which he later accomplished by firing air traffic controllers.

Grant in fact advocated acknowledgement of the Confederacy, but got in the wrong line at the West Point War of Secession All Star Draft. He was sober, apparently, he was just tired and not paying attention.

Ted Roosevelt actually successfully instigated, led, and then betrayed the independence movement of New Brunswick. He later just told people he was from New York.

i also think it is a real issue, something that is worthy of discussion, unlike the stuff about her daughter that i don't think anyone of good conscience really wants to get into.

The GOP would have chased that a few times around the thicket too. :p

That's what Operation Yellow Elephant (http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/) attempts to remedy.Good call, mon capitan!
BTW - i normally would have a lot to say about all this hubbub, what with being Alaskan, and having been the first guy on this forum to extol her rise, but i'm really kinda busy of late. :)

Being a member of a group that wanted to give her state the right to vote on secession is the only GOOD thing I've heard about her. I'm all in favor of more freedom. Unfortunately she wants to remove/prevent more freedoms than she wants to add.

The GOP would have chased that a few times around the thicket too. :p well i did say people of good conscience

There is ample precedent for this.

Reagan, while head of the Screen Actors Guild, openly advocated California Secession. Only a lengthy and heartfelt oral effort from Bo Derek convinced him to try to salvage the Union, which he later accomplished by firing air traffic controllers.

Grant in fact advocated acknowledgement of the Confederacy, but got in the wrong line at the West Point War of Secession All Star Draft. He was sober, apparently, he was just tired and not paying attention.

Ted Roosevelt actually successfully instigated, led, and then betrayed the independence movement of New Brunswick. He later just told people he was from New York.:fluffle:

well i did say people of good conscience

If you knew how few of these existed you wouldn't have said that. :tongue:

There is ample precedent for this.

Reagan, while head of the Screen Actors Guild, openly advocated California Secession. Only a lengthy and heartfelt oral effort from Bo Derek convinced him to try to salvage the Union, which he later accomplished by firing air traffic controllers.

Grant in fact advocated acknowledgement of the Confederacy, but got in the wrong line at the West Point War of Secession All Star Draft. He was sober, apparently, he was just tired and not paying attention.

Ted Roosevelt actually successfully instigated, led, and then betrayed the independence movement of New Brunswick. He later just told people he was from New York.

A proud Republican tradition of independence and small government.

Being a member of a group that wanted to give her state the right to vote on secession is the only GOOD thing I've heard about her. I'm all in favor of more freedom. Unfortunately she wants to remove/prevent more freedoms than she wants to add.
yeah i don't actually personally hold it against her, i generally believe in everyones right to self determination... then again i know my past party affiliations would be held against me if i ever got into politics. its also ironic that there were protester at the conventions advocating not just the US out of Iraq but also out of Puerto Rico and Hawaii... i wonder if the black block anarchists realize they have a kindred spirit in Palin... ;)

i wonder if the black block anarchists realize they have a kindred spirit in Palin... ;)

Secession is not anarchism.

Secession is not anarchism.

Sure it is.

Just like leaving your boss to start your own firm is communism.

Wait...

Secession is not anarchism.
No but they both advocate or have been associated with people who advocate the break up of the United States... that's what is funny, they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, they seem to have completely opposed ideologies, except they both hold one idea in common. that the United States should be broken up.

No but they both advocate or have been associated with people who advocate the break up of the United States...

And this would impact the rest of the USA or secessed state somehow negatively?

Especially in case of Alaska which is probably seen only as resource trove - wood, minerals, oil, fish - for rest of the country. In case of USA, instead of just pillaging a state for its resources in order to postpone the inevitable would perhaps have needed to look for better alternatives.

Of course, independence in the first place would require that vast majority - 3/4, 4/5ths of Alaskans (or <insert your state wishing to secede>) - would be in favour of secession.

Also, how would secession of a state be able to destroy the rest of the union?

If any state leaves, the union as it exists is destroyed. It doesn't matter if its Alaska or South Carolina. A version of the United States would remain but it wouldn't be the same country we live in now. I do however concede(as i did in my first post) that the thread title is a bit hyperbolic.

what's up with that anyways? When did the Republicans automatically become uber-patriots?
Yep. They also become Guys Just Like You (tm) for some reason.

Yep. They also become Guys Just Like You (tm) for some reason.

and actors and journalists and college professors became the elites instead of corperate ceos and blue blood plutocrat families.

and actors and journalists and college professors became the elites instead of corperate ceos and blue blood plutocrat families.
Yes, well, there we go. Could have been 24+ years of dynastic rule in the US if Hillary had won the presidential nomination.

Yes, well, there we go. Could have been 24+ years of dynastic rule in the US if Hillary had won the presidential nomination.

Aren't dynasties typically one family, not two back and forth?

Aren't dynasties typically one family, not two back and forth?
No. *nods, but is actually wrong, aye*

well there are certainly example of nations ruled by to competing dynastic families.... but it usually doesn't end well, think of the war of the roses.


if the danny devito movie is flashing in your head at the moment i'm gonna reach through the monitor and punch you in the ear

No. Alaskan secession would cause the destruction of the United States no more than American secession in 1783 caused the destruction of the United Kingdom.

However, if Alaska would secede, there might be Russian leaders who might develop the idea that they should reunite Alaska with the Motherland. That would be interesting.

However, if Alaska would secede, there might be Russian leaders who might develop the idea that they should reunite Alaska with the Motherland. That would be interesting. hey if they sent troops into south ossetia to aid the seperatists who knows what they would do to aid another break away province on their borders.

You can say what you want, but those Russian armoured divisions and fighter-bombers sure have compelling arguments.

so i guess its possible Sarah "The Traitor" Palin is actually a Russian dupe who if elected will work to betray America to the Russians... where is Tailgunner Joe when we need him.

Sure the title is the most extreme interpretation of the Alaska Independence Pary's platform but it is not an unreasonable one. The party does however advocate Alaska first and the rest of the country later and does advocate allowing Alaskans to vote on seccession from the union which would break up the United States of American into two seperate nations.

Sarah Palin is reputed to have been a member in the 90s, her husband almost certainly was. Does this disqualify her as a VP candidate. I would think if the Democrats were to run a candidate who had in the past advocated the break up of America the Republicans would have been outraged, are the Republicans willing to run someone so fundimentally unpatriotic when that is normally onr of their strong points?

Now it is possible ms. Palin was never a party member, but it seems clear she was at least a fellow traveller, can a person really beone heart beat away from the presidency if they weren't even sure if they believed the United States should remain a union of 50 states a decade ago?


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml

Clearly Alaskans seccession from the union would not be a good idea with their close location to Russia.

However, if Alaska would secede, there might be Russian leaders who might develop the idea that they should reunite Alaska with the Motherland. That would be interesting.

They'd have to give the US a refund though. And you know how Russia is Bankrupt.

I heard that her husband was a member of this group, but I hadn't heard that Palin herself was.

I heard that her husband was a member of this group, but I hadn't heard that Palin herself was.

she never registered as one according to the voter rolls, but she did attend their 1994 convention, as well as their 2000 one, and she made a sort of "keep up the good work, even though i'm a republican" video message for their 2008 one that is up on their website (http://www.akip.org/conv08.html).

i have no idea how common it is for members of the city council or the mayor of a town that happens to be hosting an opposing party's convention to show up, or for governors to make messages like that for parties they oppose, either in normal places or in alaska. anyone have any idea?

she never registered as one according to the voter rolls, but she did attend their 1994 convention, as well as their 2000 one, and she made a sorrt of "keep up the good work, even though i'm a republican" video message for their 2008 one that is up on their website (http://www.akip.org/conv08.html).

i have no idea how common it is for members of the city council or the mayor of a town that happens to be hosting an opposing party's convention to show up, or for governors to make messages like that for parties they oppose, either in normal places or in alaska. anyone have any idea?
it took way less than that to get blacklisted in the 50s.... again i cry out to the heavens,"Where is Tailgunner Joe when we need him, need him desperately"

she never registered as one according to the voter rolls, but she did attend their 1994 convention, as well as their 2000 one, and she made a sorrt of "keep up the good work, even though i'm a republican" video message for their 2008 one that is up on their website (http://www.akip.org/conv08.html).

In her speech, she welcomed them and said, basically, that opposing political parties are good for the American ideal. Yeah, really sounds like she's advocating the destruction of the USA.

The AIP's stated goals are to return federal lands in Alaska to state control. As with any political group, there are crazies who advocate all sorts of bizarre theories and schemes. For instance, the Democratic party has entire segments who believe (and this is crazy) that Obama might be a good president. See what I mean?

You can't judge a political party by the extreme crazies in it. Seriously, even the democratic party has crazies (ignoring my amusing yet sarcastic comment above).

In her speech, she welcomed them and said, basically, that opposing political parties are good for the American ideal. Yeah, really sounds like she's advocating the destruction of the USA.

The AIP's stated goals are to return federal lands in Alaska to state control. As with any political group, there are crazies who advocate all sorts of bizarre theories and schemes. For instance, the Democratic party has entire segments who believe (and this is crazy) that Obama might be a good president. See what I mean?

You can't judge a political party by the extreme crazies in it. Seriously, even the democratic party has crazies (ignoring my amusing yet sarcastic comment above).

Your statement wasn't amusing. It was, however, flamebait.

You can't judge a political party by the extreme crazies in it.

is it really your claim that we should not assume members and sympathizers of the alaskan independence party want alaskan independence?

To answer the question in the title. No.

This has been another edition of short answers to ludicrous questions.

They'd have to give the US a refund though. And you know how Russia is Bankrupt.

You're kidding, right? The Russian economy has been booming for years thanks to the export of gas and oil. And if Alaska would be so stupid to secede from the USA, all bets are off. Alaska was sold to the USA by Russia in the 19th century, but an independent Alaska is quite different from Alaska as part of the States. Simply put: no refund required.

Like I said, they'll spin it as "She Believes In Small Government".

Ah, like Ron Paul!

going to be McCain's VP pick. I'm assuming that McCain picked her to appeal to the droves of voters turned off by Obama picking Biden instead of Clinton and nothing more. It'll be interesting how that'll pan out.

Yeah. I'm hoping disaffected Clinton voters are smarter than that, though. "ZOMG! She has a vagina! Clearly it shouldn't matter that her policies are mostly opposed to those of Clinton!"

Being a member of a group that wanted to give her state the right to vote on secession is the only GOOD thing I've heard about her. I'm all in favor of more freedom. Unfortunately she wants to remove/prevent more freedoms than she wants to add.

Doesn't that just always seem to be the way of it? You get a politician who is all, "We should take power away from the Federal government because individual rights are important!"

But then, it seems like they immediately follow that up with "And give lots and lots and lots more power to the state governments!"

Bleh.

She named her son "Track". I...I...I just can't get over that. I thought "Bristol" was bad. Augh.

Is it even legal in the States to call your child Track?

Is it even legal in the States to call your child Track?

If it isn't, it should be. I listened to her introducing her kids Friday in Dayton, Ohio, and some of the names were so not real names that I couldn't even identify them as words. I understand the youngest, "Trig", is a clip of the Norwegian name "Trygve" or Sarah really liked advanced algebra.

Is it even legal in the States to call your child Track?

Unfortunately, yes. The U.S. has no list of names parents can or cannot give their children. That's why celebrities get away with saddling their kids with names like that.

It amusses me that the Rev. Wright story was front page news for weeks. But the Rep VP joining a group that advocated a states seccession? Not even toughed.


Liberal media indeed.

While, yeah, the focus on Wright was, well, wrong, the fact is that the Reverend Wright stuff didn't happen until Obama had been in the spotlight for several months. Most people heard Palin's name for the first time last week. I'd hardly call the situation comparable.

As far as whether she was a member or not, I've not seen evidence that she was. Her husband was, without a doubt, but no evidence as to her membership.

or as if her underaged daughter never got knocked up out of wedlock.

And damn well they shouldn't. I am in full agreement with Senator Obama on this matter.

She named her son "Track". I...I...I just can't get over that. I thought "Bristol" was bad. Augh.

You're worried about "Track" and "Bristol"? She named one of her kids after a kind of math!

You're worried about "Track" and "Bristol"? She named one of her kids after a kind of math!

Her nomination reminds me of that Harriet Myers fiasco, but ten orders of magnitude greater.

She named her son "Track". I...I...I just can't get over that. I thought "Bristol" was bad. Augh.
Could be worse. At least she didn't name another one "Field".

Her nomination reminds me of that Harriet Myers fiasco, but ten orders of magnitude greater.

Honestly, how did the guy being called "McSame" not see that comparison coming? It's not even cronyism. It just appears to be a hasty and ill-conceived choice.

You're worried about "Track" and "Bristol"? She named one of her kids after a kind of math!

It seems like many of the names were things she missed about high school. Maybe Bristol was her best friend.

Honestly, how did the guy being called "McSame" not see that comparison coming? It's not even cronyism. It just appears to be a hasty and ill-conceived choice.

My usual sense, my spider sense, so to say, is telling me that her selection as a VP nomination is unreal, in the same way that the time before I was born is unreal. It's like a weird '80s movie, complete with an Austrian-accented cyborg.

what's up with that anyways? When did the Republicans automatically become uber-patriots?

Jon Stewart mentioned that during an episode of The Daily Show during the convention.

The media was talking about how Michelle Obama needed to prove she was patriotic. "She's got to prove she's patriotic," they said.

His reply: "She's got to. She's a Democrat. She must prove she loves America as opposed to Republicans, who everybody knows love America. They just hate half the people living in it!"

Could be worse. At least she didn't name another one "Field".

"C'mon Hurdle, you're going to be late for school."

Christ. The lengths the GOP will go to to copy the liberals. Just because its common knowledge that Obama wants a mosque in every town, to rename the country Islamica, and hand over control to Iran doesn't mean that the Republicans have to respond with a VP candidate who also wants the destruction of the nation.

The tital is misleading. Sessesion of one territory does not equal the destruction of an entire country.

The tital is misleading. Sessesion of one territory does not equal the destruction of an entire country.

Then again, it's an oil-rich territory that borders Russia. Not to mention allowing one State to secede will set a precedent that will encourage other secessionists. Angry Hawaiians, the Republic of Lone Star just to name a few.

Then again, it's an oil-rich territory that borders Russia. Not to mention allowing one State to secede will set a precedent that will encourage other secessionists. Angry Hawaiians, the Republic of Lone Star just to name a few.

I'm just waiting for when the South decides to try a do-over.

"Trygve" or Sarah really liked advanced algebra.
Good score in Scrabble, mind. And that's what really matters.

By the way, how much is 'z' worth in the US version of scrabble? It's worth 10 in the UK, but then we don't use it for stuff like "realise".

You're worried about "Track" and "Bristol"? She named one of her kids after a kind of math!

Or it's short for "Trygve", a fairly common Norwegian name. Either way, bummer for school.

Could be worse. At least she didn't name another one "Field".

Oh, that hurts. I love that I can always come to NSG when I need to feel that I'm not quite the bastard I think myself to be. Thanks!

It seems like many of the names were things she missed about high school. Maybe Bristol was her best friend.

What's next, Prom Palin? Heavy Petting Palin?

"C'mon Hurdle, you're going to be late for school."

LMFAO. Thankfully, I was quick enough to look away from the monitor and decorate the wall instead.

Good score in Scrabble, mind. And that's what really matters.

By the way, how much is 'z' worth in the US version of scrabble? It's worth 10 in the UK, but then we don't use it for stuff like "realise".

Wouldn't play in scrabble. It's a proper noun (capitalized is the clue).

The Z is word 10 here, too, and there's only one, just like Q (and X and J, too, but they're only worth 8).

As for "what really matters", I have to agree. I'd rather see a Scrabble match than a convention any day.

I'm just waiting for when the South decides to try a do-over.
Instead of reconquering the South, I think this time most of us would be happy to pitch in building the wall.

I see the factual nature of this forum has remained at the level I left it. I could not read the whole thing seeing as how the decency level started to fall as I went down the posts...

But did you guys even research this before spouting off? Even the NYTs is saying this story is false:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/alaska-party-official-says-palin-was-not-a-member/

It shows how the liberal media is bottom feeding in its attempt to find anything, absolutely anything, to bring this woman down. The fact that such bitterness and hate is being focused on this woman shows the rest of America that perhaps this is someone they wish in the White House.

That being said, you should all remember how well the arguments of "Reagan is an old dunce", "Bush 1 is a wimp", and "Bush 2 is an idiot" have play out so far. Keep going after her husband and children if you wish.

I was sure McCain was going to win before and Palin is the final nail in Obama's coffin.

That being said, you should all remember how well the arguments of "Reagan is an old dunce", "Bush 1 is a wimp", and "Bush 2 is an idiot" have play out so far.
All three appear to be irrefutable.

I'm calling this one PURE Obama Biden Laden propaganda.

I'm calling this one PURE Obama Biden Laden propaganda.

He said, spouting his own camp's propaganda. :rolleyes:

It's the press' job to dig into any allegations, folks. If they're not true, then that'll get printed, just like Smiling Frogs has pointed out. Membership in the AIP is hardly a serious issue...there are a few more that concern me more.

All three appear to be irrefutable.

Indeed this is so for those who believe all liberal dogma. Fortunately history has laid bare these lies.

He said, spouting his own camp's propaganda. :rolleyes:

It's the press' job to dig into any allegations, folks. If they're not true, then that'll get printed, just like Smiling Frogs has pointed out. Membership in the AIP is hardly a serious issue...there are a few more that concern me more.

I agree but the research should be done before the allegation is made by major news organizations. They beat their chests about citizen journalism and then suck it up readily when it conforms to their prejudices.

No but they both advocate or have been associated with people who advocate the break up of the United States... that's what is funny, they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, they seem to have completely opposed ideologies, except they both hold one idea in common. that the United States should be broken up.

They don't believe the US should be broken up, they just believe Alaska should no longer be a part of it. Again, the other 49 states would continue on just fine, short a crazy Senator talking about the "Intertubes".

If any state leaves, the union as it exists is destroyed. It doesn't matter if its Alaska or South Carolina. A version of the United States would remain but it wouldn't be the same country we live in now.

That doesn't make any sense. There is nothing holy or sacred about the current makeup of the United States.

Then again, it's an oil-rich territory that borders Russia. Not to mention allowing one State to secede will set a precedent that will encourage other secessionists. Angry Hawaiians, the Republic of Lone Star just to name a few.

So?

Instead of reconquering the South, I think this time most of us would be happy to pitch in building the wall.

Quite.

History has learned us that it always helps to build a good, firm wall to keep things under control. Ask anybody over thirty in Berlin, if you want to know more.