NationStates Jolt Archive


Google Chrome

Smunkeeville
03-09-2008, 05:07
For the past hour I've been using Google's new browser. I'm in love.

Anyone else have it yet? What do you think?

http://www.google.com/chrome
Sumamba Buwhan
03-09-2008, 05:16
gunna try it right now - I heard about it on the drive home from work earlier and then forgot about it.
Tarantum
03-09-2008, 05:17
I've been using it for nearly the entire day. I like it far more than Firefox, but I dunno if it will end up replacing IE for me.
Smunkeeville
03-09-2008, 05:20
It's really clean and unobtrusive. I really like that it seems to know the difference between pop-ups I ask for and pop-ups I don't want. I also like that when one of my tabs fucks up I can just kill it and the others are unaffected. I'm in browser love. *humps Google's browser*
The Infinite Dunes
03-09-2008, 05:20
I don't use my Windows box to browse the internet, so I'm stuck until the Linux version comes out.

Having seen the pictures, I'm not sure I'd like to have my tabs bar above the address bar, but I'm sure you can change that.
New Manvir
03-09-2008, 05:24
I tried it and didn't like it. I guess I'm just too used to firefox.
Lapse
03-09-2008, 05:25
As a browser it isn't bad... Very fast.

But I am going back to Mozilla purely because of Adblock plus...

I have used it for 5 minutes and ads are already driving me nuts...


EDIT: AHHH! I WANT SCROLL CLICK BACK!!! Goodbye chrome... Hello again Firefox.
The Infinite Dunes
03-09-2008, 05:31
Oh yes, I know what you mean about ad-blockers. I'm happy with just a flash-blocker though. Picture ads aren't so bad (except certain gifs), but obtrusive flash ads are the devil.
Sumamba Buwhan
03-09-2008, 06:24
I like it a lot so far
Sarkhaan
03-09-2008, 06:25
thus far, loving it. I think it might be replacing opera. Pretty sure it will actually.
Sumamba Buwhan
03-09-2008, 06:28
As a browser it isn't bad... Very fast.

But I am going back to Mozilla purely because of Adblock plus...

I have used it for 5 minutes and ads are already driving me nuts...


EDIT: AHHH! I WANT SCROLL CLICK BACK!!! Goodbye chrome... Hello again Firefox.

it's there, just hold down the back button
Lapse
03-09-2008, 06:34
Let me rephrase that:

In every other application, If I hold down the scroll wheel, I can scroll faster.

gBrowser doesn't let me :(

(However, thanks for the tip, I was wondering where history would be)
The Alma Mater
03-09-2008, 06:35
It's pretty decent, but still buggy and lacking a few features.
Of course - it is Beta. Such things are to be expected.
Cannot think of a name
03-09-2008, 06:35
Doesn't play well with my computer yet. I'm pretty in love with my Firefox add ons, so until it gets some it might at best be a back up.
Smunkeeville
03-09-2008, 06:41
It's pretty decent, but still buggy and lacking a few features.
Of course - it is Beta. Such things are to be expected.

It's also the first day out. I can tell you that no matter how much I debug a program, I never find all the problems with it until other people try it out.

Even my coding for forum apps looks perfect, until WYTYG tries it and finds 30 bazillion bugs. haha.
Sumamba Buwhan
03-09-2008, 06:45
Let me rephrase that:

In every other application, If I hold down the scroll wheel, I can scroll faster.

gBrowser doesn't let me :(

(However, thanks for the tip, I was wondering where history would be)

ah, sorry - I am too tired to interact with people it seems.
Gauthier
03-09-2008, 07:03
It's only a beta so far. The finished product is promising.
Redwulf
03-09-2008, 07:47
Meh. My greasemonkey scripts help me play kingdom of loathing, greasemonkey is AFAIK a Firefox only deal.
Pure Metal
03-09-2008, 09:57
just downloaded. first thoughts are the one search/address box is something Opera's had for a while. ditto with the speed dial style new tab page (though in Opera you set which sites you want in your speed dial).... ditto with moving tabs. actually, looking at the http://tools.google.com/chrome/intl/en-GB/features.html# page, nothing special there, apart for incognito mode (which people were making such a fuss over the next IE having the other day), and web app shortcuts.

will give it a spin today and see.
Hurdegaryp
03-09-2008, 12:13
It sounds interesting, but I don't see any reason yet to give up Firefox for this beta. Knowing Google, Chrome could be a beta for a long time, just like Gmail.
Conserative Morality
03-09-2008, 12:17
Blech. Give me Firefox any day.
Damor
03-09-2008, 13:53
For the past hour I've been using Google's new browser. I'm in love.

Anyone else have it yet? What do you think?The thing that bothers me most is that there is no method (plugin or innate) to remove annoying ads.
And when I murdered the flash plugin, it gave a message on every single page using the flash plugin that it crashed. Telling me once would have been plenty; and considered I killed it from within chrome's process manager, I really didn't need to be told at all.
I also had the occasional problem switching to other tabs with ctrl-tab if the current tab was busy retrieving a page (but it varies). And flashing white screen when I kill tabs. It doesn't seem to be doing it now though, perhaps it had something to do with the fact I had a hundred or so tabs open.

Of course - it is Beta. Such things are to be expected.That's not saying much though, does google ever take anything out of Beta?

Meh. My greasemonkey scripts help me play kingdom of loathing, greasemonkey is AFAIK a Firefox only deal.There's a similar add-on for IE. (But I can't recall what it's called because I hardly ever use IE and so have no use for it.)

Without something like adblock and greasemonkey, I won't be switching. But I imagine once people get their hands on the API, those kinds of plugins should be available fairly soon.
Hydesland
03-09-2008, 14:59
Fastest and most stable browser I have ever used. Firefox add-ons should easily be able to be ported after a while.
Rambhutan
03-09-2008, 15:08
Well I just removed Firefox, having upgraded to version 3 I hated the "Smart location bar" so much I have gone back to Explorer. Maybe I will give Chrome a go.
G3N13
03-09-2008, 15:21
Looks like a copy of Opera...

Does it have easy back/forward mouse interface (rmb+lmb/lmb+rmb) and functioning, fast address bar and integrated ad blocker?

If it does, I might switch because Opera 9.5 series is a fooken disgrace compared to earlier editions (only improvement is faster address bar).
Hydesland
03-09-2008, 15:40
Heh I forgot about adblock, and yeah I'm starting to miss it. I think I'll stick with firefox until an adblock system is ported to chrome.
The Alma Mater
03-09-2008, 16:50
The thing that bothers me most is that there is no method (plugin or innate) to remove annoying ads.

You could always edit the windows hostfile to redirect known advertisement sites to a great black hole.
Example: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
DrunkenDove
03-09-2008, 17:08
I'm using it now. It's not bad, but it's nothing special either.
Damor
03-09-2008, 17:17
You could always edit the windows hostfile to redirect known advertisement sites to a great black hole.
Example: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htmSounds like more work than to keep using firefox ;)
And it looks like it only works on whole domains.
The Infinite Dunes
03-09-2008, 19:00
Google Chrome sucks like a big pile of donkey wank poo, or at least its EULA does.

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights that you already hold in Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/
http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

I for one welcome our new google overlords :hail:
Smunkeeville
03-09-2008, 19:16
Google Chrome sucks like a big pile of donkey wank poo, or at least its EULA does.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/
http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

I for one welcome our new google overlords :hail:

Did you miss the sentence before and the explanations after the part you bolded?

Also, did you read the whole EULA?
The Infinite Dunes
03-09-2008, 19:28
Did you miss the sentence before and the explanations after the part you bolded?

Also, did you read the whole EULA?
Unless promote has a strict legal definition then I'd assume they can use promote in any number of its meanings.
promote
–verb (used with object), -mot·ed, -mot·ing.
1. to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further: to promote world peace.
2. to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. (opposed to demote).
3. Education. to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
4. to aid in organizing (business undertakings).
5. to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), esp. through advertising or other publicity.
6. Informal. to obtain (something) by cunning or trickery; wangle.
Services is also defined to mean ANY service that Google offers. So lets say I'm collaborating with people over the internet on how to make an efficient search algorithm. If I post content to a webspace via Chrome then I'm giving Google the rights to use the algorithm as a part of Google Search (enabling them to further encourage acceptance of the Service among internet users).

Or maybe I post a song that I created to some webspace, then I'm also giving Google to use that song in any advertising they desire to, free of charge.

So, yes, it's a shit EULA.

edit: I read a considerable part of the EULA, but not all of it. Some of it just seems like standard EULA stuff, like 'Accepting the Terms' and 'Limitation of Liabilities'.
Flammable Ice
03-09-2008, 20:19
Anyone else have it yet?

Nope, and I'm not going to. Besides the EULA, I highly doubt that an advertising company would have adblock in their browser. I'll stick to Firefox.
Nadkor
03-09-2008, 21:15
Google Chrome sucks like a big pile of donkey wank poo, or at least its EULA does.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/
http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

I for one welcome our new google overlords :hail:

I notice that you don't include the last line in your bolded section:
This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

Any use of your material in a way that isn't associated with displaying, distributing, or promoting Google Chrome would be a breach of the EULA.

As well as that it clearly states that it is a non-exclusive licence. It's not as if they're taking your things and running away with them, for you to never be able to use them again.
Smunkeeville
03-09-2008, 22:08
Nope, and I'm not going to. Besides the EULA, I highly doubt that an advertising company would have adblock in their browser. I'll stick to Firefox.

It's open source, someone will write one.
Pure Metal
03-09-2008, 22:09
found a nice little bug. it scrolls down fine with my trackpad, but won't scroll back up again at all (have to use the scrollbar, which i dislike)


edit: if what TID says http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13981374&postcount=32 is true about the EULA, then i won't use it at all. i'm assuming this is more shitty than a normal EULA though??
Gauthier
03-09-2008, 22:11
Remember: It's Beta. Not Gold.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/071105/oscars/day-lewis_l.jpg

There Will Be Bug.
Pure Metal
03-09-2008, 22:13
Looks like a copy of Opera...

Does it have easy back/forward mouse interface (rmb+lmb/lmb+rmb) and functioning, fast address bar and integrated ad blocker?

If it does, I might switch because Opera 9.5 series is a fooken disgrace compared to earlier editions (only improvement is faster address bar).

what's wrong with 9.5? the new default interface is ugly as sin, i'll admit :P
Xomic
03-09-2008, 22:34
Man, what is it and people on the internet not being able to understand legal documents.

The EULA is more or less allowing Google to create links to posts, etc, without being sued.
Smunkeeville
03-09-2008, 22:42
Man, what is it and people on the internet not being able to understand legal documents.

The EULA is more or less allowing Google to create links to posts, etc, without being sued.

That's what I thought it said, but I'm just a girl.... wait, princess. Yes, I'm a princess.
Sarkhaan
04-09-2008, 00:45
Nope, and I'm not going to. Besides the EULA, I highly doubt that an advertising company would have adblock in their browser. I'll stick to Firefox.

It's open source...they don't really have tons of control over what other people create once they allow other people into the code.

As for the EULA, they state that you maintain the copyright to what you post.
Angry Fruit Salad
04-09-2008, 00:59
I can't even get the thing to install properly.
New Limacon
04-09-2008, 01:01
I'm happy with Firefox, but it's nice to see another private company going up against Microsoft.
Pure Metal
04-09-2008, 01:09
That's what I thought it said, but I'm just a girl.... wait, princess. Yes, I'm a princess.

a fairy princess? http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2226/smileis1.gif
The Infinite Dunes
04-09-2008, 12:32
http://gizmodo.com/5045050/google-updating-chrome-eula-to-be-less-creepy

Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, told Ars that it's actually an oopsie from basically copying and pasting the same EULA it uses in other products, and that they're updating it as fast as they can to remove the ridiculous terms.

And sorry if I sounded overly aggressive or rude in my earlier posts, it's just that I'm fed of seeing contracts that seem to be heavily skewed in the favour of the business -- giving them plenty of freedom, but clapping the consumer in irons.
Sarkhaan
04-09-2008, 16:26
You know...chrome is decent, and I used it for a few days, but the speed dial system they use isn't up to par compared to Opera's, and I don't like the password storage, as it hasn't really worked for me. Opera it is untill an update is released.
The Alma Mater
06-09-2008, 07:33
Good news: google has updated Chromes EULA.
SaintB
06-09-2008, 08:10
No I'm using firefox on this computer... and its not my computer.
Kyronea
06-09-2008, 09:09
I'm not interested. Firefox has a lot more functionality thanks to it's nice add-on system, and it's more than secure enough for my purposes.

I can't really see any reason to switch to Chrome at this time.
Gauthier
06-09-2008, 10:37
Firefox also has been around a lot longer than Chrome and thus has a larger community base that has debugged and modded for it. Give Chrome some time; some of its features that were explained in the comic seems rather appealing.
UNIverseVERSE
06-09-2008, 12:35
I'm not interested. Firefox has a lot more functionality thanks to it's nice add-on system, and it's more than secure enough for my purposes.

I can't really see any reason to switch to Chrome at this time.

Given some of the technical ideas that it's built on, it does seem to have much better potential for both stability and low memory usage, which are my key features in a browser. Now I just need someone to write an alternate interface for it, to make it behave like Conkeror.
Aryavartha
06-09-2008, 13:46
It has good potential. It is built from scratch unlike IE which can only be improved so much in every new version, because of the baggage it has to carry.

The crash-proof nature will be a big plus for me.