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Well, the airlines are doing everything they can to reduce weight to save on fuel. They are carrying less reserve fuel so they can't fly as far if they have to divert to another airport and now Jazz airlines is removing life vests. They still meet the minimum regulatory standards but isn't this a bit much? Do you think they are starting to compromise safety to save money?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/travel/2008146788_weblifevests30.html

Hey, the have started charging for everything on the airplane so I guess the next step is pay toilets, coin operated dispensers for toilet paper and soap, and a coin operated sink. That's OK I guess but when you start screwing with safety...

Wouldn't that be not allowed or something?

Maybe they could put in pedals on the floor in front of each seat to generate a few extra rpms and provide exercise at the same time. :)

Wouldn't that be not allowed or something?

Transport Canada and the FAA allow them to have just flotation devices as long as they aren't flying more than 50 miles from shore. The seat cushion is considered a flotation device.

This is part of why Air Canada sucks.

Life vests have never successfully been used, so meh.

Maybe they could put in pedals on the floor in front of each seat to generate a few extra rpms and provide exercise at the same time. :)

Or they could start using Orinthopters. :)
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3533/

Life vests have never successfully been used, so meh.

this is what I was thinking...

Life vests have never successfully been used, so meh.

Yes, they have been used in ditchings and they do work.

Maybe they could put in pedals on the floor in front of each seat to generate a few extra rpms and provide exercise at the same time. :)
It'd combat deep-van thrombosis too!

Life vests have never successfully been used, so meh.
But I wanna blow a whistle when I'm dying of hypothermia in the middle of the Atlantic...

If the seat cushions are designed to act as flotation devices, then I think it's OK. Many airlines I've been on do this.

But I wanna blow a whistle when I'm dying of hypothermia in the middle of the Atlantic...
Haha, I know where that came from. :tongue:
If you don't know where that came from, you're a guaranteed idiot. :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_landing#Survival_Rates_of_Passenger_Plane_Water_Ditchings

In at least one case, lifejackets that were inflated too soon killed passengers in a water landing.

Haha, I know where that came from. :tongue:
If you don't know where that came from, you're a guaranteed idiot. :p
Yeah, but I'm unsinkable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_landing#Survival_Rates_of_Passenger_Plane_Water_Ditchings

In at least one case, lifejackets that were inflated too soon killed passengers in a water landing.


Yeah, but I'm unsinkable.

Yes, and inflated life jacket makes it difficult or impossible to get out the emergency exit. That's why they brief you to pull the cord AFTER you exit the plane.

If the seat cushions are designed to act as flotation devices, then I think it's OK. Many airlines I've been on do this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DagVklB4VHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjKciefHo38

"Just what I need; to float around the North Atlantic for several days clinging to a pillow full of beerfarts!" -George Carlin

Yeah, but I'm unsinkable.

We finally found your picture.

Kat = unsinkable Molly Brown

http://library.thinkquest.org/18626/media/MollyBrown.gif

We finally found your picture.

Kat = unsinkable Molly Brown

http://library.thinkquest.org/18626/media/MollyBrown.gif

Hee!

My students have a hard enough time believing it when they find out I'm older than thirty; I think 141 years old would boggle their minds even more than it does mine. ;)

That said, given Margaret Brown's remarkable life, I appreciate the compliment. (I was going more for the Titanic itself.)

Haha, I know where that came from.
You do?

I made it up... or subconsciously plagiarised it.

Whereabouts do you think it's from?

You do?

I made it up... or subconsciously plagiarised it.

Whereabouts do you think it's from?

It's from the movie Titanic

Hey, the have started charging for everything on the airplane so I guess the next step is pay toilets, coin operated dispensers for toilet paper and soap, and a coin operated sink.

Followed by coin operated oxygen masks?

Followed by coin operated oxygen masks?
No, there will be a meter for how much you use. And you'll need a lot, because not pressurizing the airplane can save tons of weight and money. A mask can do as well at less weight and cost.
Plus, add the counter-terrorist factor: they won't be able to walk around the airplane for long before falling unconscious.

Since Jazz doesn't operate any flats over significant stretches of water it is operating within the law. Honestly, I don't see a huge issue with this. If you aren't flying over huge stretches of water, having life jackets is a bit pointless. It's like having an ejector seat in your car unless you drive off a cliff.

In the old days, some airlines used to give the passengers parachutes, which makes rather more sense. It was only when planes became larger and the seating denser that stopped, as there was no way you could realistically evacuate everyone.

Followed by coin operated oxygen masks?
Talking of oxygen masks, a Ryanair flight from Bristol to Barcelona hit some turbulence, the masks came down, and didn't give out oxygen.

No, there will be a meter for how much you use. And you'll need a lot, because not pressurizing the airplane can save tons of weight and money. A mask can do as well at less weight and cost.
Plus, add the counter-terrorist factor: they won't be able to walk around the airplane for long before falling unconscious.

And when people need to go to the bathroom?

And when people need to go to the bathroom?

http://www.disposablemedicalexpress.com/id-169/imgupload/19696.jpg

Yeah, that. And the bowels will be evacuated on land, to prevent incidents, lighten the aircraft, and ensure removal of bombs hidden there.

Just think of how many extra seats removal of toilets and galleys can provide!

In event of a water landing, you are FUCKED.

The life jacket just makes the corpses float a little higher in the water.

Hey, the have started charging for everything on the airplane so I guess the next step is pay toilets, coin operated dispensers for toilet paper and soap, and a coin operated sink...
If they did that, I can guarantee they'll be finding some really unpleasant surprises in the back pockets of their seats.

But I wanna blow a whistle when I'm dying of hypothermia in the middle of the Atlantic...
It attracts the little known whistling-sharks, so you needn't worry about dying of hypothermia...

If they did that, I can guarantee they'll be finding some really unpleasant surprises in the back pockets of their seats.

Discover butt plugs, civilian...

Life vest missing are one of the thing that worries me the least. I find far more worrying the continuous reports about scams on maintenance and spare parts.

Maybe they could put in pedals on the floor in front of each seat to generate a few extra rpms and provide exercise at the same time. :)

Well, it would help the deep vein thrombosis.

Discover butt plugs, civilian...
I'll ass on that discovery if you don't mind.


pass.
I mean pass.



That was NOT a Freudian slip, dammit!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DagVklB4VHQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjKciefHo38

"Just what I need; to float around the North Atlantic for several days clinging to a pillow full of beerfarts!" -George Carlin
Hehehe...
"Get on the plane, get on the plane..." http://www.ghostchatter.com/img/smiley/snoopy2.gif

"Fuck you! I'm getting in the plane!"