NationStates Jolt Archive

"...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"

- Mark Twain

Well? I'd like to know what people think. What is the secret of the Jew? Why is it that the above is true? Please, keep it civil and informative.

They have three testicles.

They were quasi-good guys in the later Dune novels.

There is no secret. That implies a plan or conspiracy.

They are human beings like you and me and, as such, are resilient.

You have survived from your ancestors. I have survived from mine. So have they from theirs.

I can't speak for the ancient history of the Jews but the Jews' recent successes can be attributed to their inherently higher average intelligence resulting from certain characteristically Jewish genetic alleles (mutations) that first appeared in the Jewish gene pool during the European Middle Ages.

We're ninjas.

They have three testicles.

and horns

It's the secret Jew gold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Days_Before_the_Day_After_Tomorrow) they wear around their necks.

I think modern Egyptians would strongly dispute the truth of their nonexistence.

I can't speak for the ancient history of the Jews but the Jews' recent successes can be attributed to their inherently higher average intelligence resulting from certain characteristically Jewish genetic alleles (mutations) that first appeared in the Jewish gene pool during the European Middle Ages.
So these mutations increase intelligence? Source.
There is no secret. That implies a plan or conspiracy.

They are human beings like you and me and, as such, are resilient.

You have survived from your ancestors. I have survived from mine. So have they from theirs.
I hate these ridiculously PC responses. This is exactly why political correctness ruins a good discussion. Grow up.

I think that Egypt would strongly dispute the truth of their nonexistence.
See also the Greeks.

A (partial, half-assed because I haven't actually researched this thoroughly) explanation for Twain's question is this;

In the Middle Ages, Christians were forbidden to practice ursury (collecting interest on money lent). Jews, not being Christian, specialised in this; particularly as they were often forbidden or discouraged from competing with Christians for jobs. This led them to specialise in things like science, economics, and other fields which use abstract knowledge while the Christians were toiling in the fields. A higher emphasis on literacy in the Jewish as opposed to Christian tradition also helped this.

Edit: Regarding the theory that Jews have some kind of hereditary intelligence boost; again, I'd be inclined to attribute this to cultural rather than genetic factors, because Jews are not a single monolithic ethnicity; Jews in Spain look like Spaniards, Jews in Germany look like Germans, Jews in Russia look like Russians.

While other life is Carbon-based, Jews are almost entirely comprised of Boron compounds.

...I hate these ridiculously PC responses. This is exactly why political correctness ruins a good discussion. Grow up.

What is the problem?

You think they are not human beings like you or me?

While other life is Carbon-based, Jews are almost entirely comprised of Boron compounds.
Actually true, we dissected one in Year 10 biology. Fascinating stuff, their BRAINS are actually made of old Jewish gold. *nods*

What is the secret of the Jew?
Which Jew?

Which Jew?
THE Jew, man. You know.

So these mutations increase intelligence? Source.



"The sphingolipid storage mutations were probably favored and became common because
of natural selection, yet we don’t see them in adjacent populations. We suggest that this is
because the social niche favoring intelligence was key, rather than geographic location. It
is unlikely that these mutations led to disease resistance in heterozygotes for two reasons.
First, there is no real evidence for any disease resistance in heterozygotes (claims of TB
resistance are unsupported) and most of the candidate serious diseases (smallpox, TB,
bubonic plague, diarrheal diseases) affected the neighboring populations, that is people
living literally across the street, as well as the Ashkenazim. Second and most important,
the sphingolipid mutations look like IQ boosters. The key datum is the effect of increased
levels of the storage compounds. Glucosylceramide, the Gaucher storage compound,
promotes axonal growth and branching (Schwartz et al., 1995). In vitro, decreased
glucosylceramide results in stunted neurons with short axons while an increase over
normal levels (caused by chemically inhibiting glucocerebrosidase) increases axon length
and branching. There is a similar effect in Tay-Sachs (Walkley et al., 2000; Walkley,
2003): decreased levels of GM2 ganglioside inhibit dendrite growth, while an increase
over normal levels causes a marked increase in dendritogenesis. This increased
dendritogenesis also occurs in Niemann-Pick type A cells, and in animal models of Tay-
Sachs and Niemann-Pick."

http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

Actually true, we dissected one in Year 10 biology. Fascinating stuff, their BRAINS are actually made of old Jewish gold. *nods*

Were you lucky enough to have a male specimen? Its a little-known fact that the only Carbon-based part of a Jew is his diamond testicles.

What is problem?

You think they are not human beings like you or me?
Well, given that I'm Jewish, I'd hope we're human beings. Unless we are half dragon or something like that.

Seriously, stop getting your panties in a bunch. I just stumbled upon an interesting quote from Twain and it got me thinking...so I brought it here. We don't need you to go on some anti anti-semetic crusade for us.....Stop overreacting.

"The sphingolipid storage mutations were probably favored and became common because
of natural selection, yet we don’t see them in adjacent populations. We suggest that this is
because the social niche favoring intelligence was key, rather than geographic location. It
is unlikely that these mutations led to disease resistance in heterozygotes for two reasons.
First, there is no real evidence for any disease resistance in heterozygotes (claims of TB
resistance are unsupported) and most of the candidate serious diseases (smallpox, TB,
bubonic plague, diarrheal diseases) affected the neighboring populations, that is people
living literally across the street, as well as the Ashkenazim. Second and most important,
the sphingolipid mutations look like IQ boosters. The key datum is the effect of increased
levels of the storage compounds. Glucosylceramide, the Gaucher storage compound,
promotes axonal growth and branching (Schwartz et al., 1995). In vitro, decreased
glucosylceramide results in stunted neurons with short axons while an increase over
normal levels (caused by chemically inhibiting glucocerebrosidase) increases axon length
and branching. There is a similar effect in Tay-Sachs (Walkley et al., 2000; Walkley,
2003): decreased levels of GM2 ganglioside inhibit dendrite growth, while an increase
over normal levels causes a marked increase in dendritogenesis. This increased
dendritogenesis also occurs in Niemann-Pick type A cells, and in animal models of Tay-
Sachs and Niemann-Pick."

http://homepage.mac.com/harpend/.Public/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
Something like this is exactly what I was looking for. Interesting indeed.

Were you lucky enough to have a male specimen? Its a little-known fact that the only Carbon-based part of a Jew is his diamond testicles.
Sadly, no, but that's having a state education in Yorkshire for you, eh?

.....Stop overreacting.

(Raises eyebrow.) Methinks you do protest too much.

Something like this is exactly what I was looking for. Interesting indeed.
The very concise summary of the argument from the "Introduction" section of that paper:

Albert Einstein is reputed to have said that “Things should be described as simply as possible,
but no simpler.” The same principle must be invoked in explaining Einstein
himself. We evaluate the hypothesis that the high intelligence test scores observed in the
Ashkenazi Jewish population are a consequence of their occupation of a social niche over
the last millennium that selected strongly for IQ. We summarize the evidence of high
intelligence test scores in this population, approximately one standard deviation higher
than the northwestern European average, and then the relevant social history. We suggest
that there was an increase in the frequency of particular genes that elevated IQ as a byproduct
of this selective regime, which led to an increased incidence of hereditary
disorders.

There are several key observations that motivate our hypothesis. The first is that the
Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group, combined with an unusual
cognitive profile, while no similar elevation of intelligence was observed among
Jews in classical times nor is one seen in Sephardic and Oriental Jews today.

The second is that the Ashkenazim experienced very low inward gene flow, which
created a favorable situation for natural selection.

The third is that they experienced unusual selective pressures that were likely to have
favored increased intelligence. For the most part they had jobs in which increased IQ
strongly favored economic success, in contrast with other populations, who were mostly
peasant farmers. They lived in circumstances in which economic success led to increased
reproductive success.

The fourth is the existence of the Ashkenazi sphingolipid, DNA repair, and other disease
clusters, groups of biochemically related mutations that could not plausibly have reached
their present high frequencies by chance, that are not common in adjacent populations,
and that have physiological effects that could increase intelligence.

Other selective factors have been suggested. “Winnowing through persecution” suggests
that only the smartest Jews survived persecution. Why this should be so is not clear.
There was no similar outcome in other groups such as Gypsies who have faced frequent
persecution (Crowe and Kolsti, 1991). Another theory suggests that there was selective
breeding for Talmudic scholarship. This seems unlikely to have been an important
selective factor, since there weren’t very many professional rabbis, certainly less than one
percent of the population. A selective force that only affects a tiny fraction of the
population can never be strong enough to cause important evolutionary change in tens of
generations. A plausible variant of the Talmudic scholarship model suggests that it was
like a sexually selected marker and that rich families preferred to marry their daughters to
males who excelled (Weyl and Possony, 1963; MacDonald, 1994) so that the payoff to
intelligence was indirect rather than direct as we suggest. Without detailed historical
demographic information it will be difficult to evaluate this hypothesis.

We proceed by summarizing IQ psychometrics and IQ as a quantitative genetic trait. We
then describe relevant aspects of Ashkenazi social and demographic history with a focus
on the centuries between 800 and 1600AD, after which we think many of the unique
selective pressures were relaxed. We show that plausible mechanisms of social selection
lead to large changes on a scale of centuries and that such selection also can lead to
increases in the frequency of otherwise deleterious mutants, a phenomenon well known
in agricultural genetics. Ashkenazi diseases have often been attributed to population size
bottlenecks in their history: we review population genetic evidence of a bottleneck and
find no support in the data for any bottleneck at all. If there were one or more bottlenecks
with large effect then subsequent gene exchange with other groups has been large enough
to erase the signature, and gene flow of this magnitude, greater than about 1% per
generation cumulative, would have overwhelmed genetic drift. We describe two main
clusters of Ashkenazi inherited disease, the sphingolipid cluster and the DNA repair
cluster, reviewing evidence that these modulate early central nervous system
development. A sample of Gaucher disease patients show a startling occupational
spectrum of high IQ jobs, and several other Ashkenazi disorders, idiopathic torsion
dystonia and non-classical adrenal hyperplasia, are known to elevate IQ. Finally we
describe functional genomic associations between Ashkenazi mutations in order to
formalize the argument that they are concentrated in a few biochemical pathways, more
concentrated than could have occurred by chance alone.

Jews have the power of the passive aggressive nagging mothers. You drive to suceed just so you can escape.

A (partial, half-assed because I haven't actually researched this thoroughly) explanation for Twain's question is this;

In the Middle Ages, Christians were forbidden to practice ursury (collecting interest on money lent). Jews, not being Christian, specialised in this; particularly as they were often forbidden or discouraged from competing with Christians for jobs. This led them to specialise in things like science, economics, and other fields which use abstract knowledge while the Christians were toiling in the fields. A higher emphasis on literacy in the Jewish as opposed to Christian tradition also helped this.
Indeed. Sounds quite plausible and I've also heard this. This is the cultural arguement.

Edit: Regarding the theory that Jews have some kind of hereditary intelligence boost; again, I'd be inclined to attribute this to cultural rather than genetic factors, because Jews are not a single monolithic ethnicity; Jews in Spain look like Spaniards, Jews in Germany look like Germans, Jews in Russia look like Russians.
And that would be the genetic arguement....or perhaps it's even a combination of both...cultural and genetic?

And also...Spanish Jews are different...as they are not Ashkenazi Jews. Usually, when discussing European Jews and their sucess, one would discuss central/western/northern European Jews and then then Eastern European Jews, but more so in places like America and such.....There was not as much sucess of eastern European Jews in Eastern Europe, mostly because the socio-political climates hardly allowed for it....save the communist revolution, which was largly Russian-Jewish...but then soon after became anti-Jewish (under Stalin, for example).

THE Jew, man. You know.
No, I don't know. Which Jew? I know lots of Jews. Some of them probably have secrets. How am I supposed to know which one he's asking about? Geez, bud, throw us a bone.

No, I don't know. Which Jew? I know lots of Jews. Some of them probably have secrets. How am I supposed to know which one he's asking about? Geez, bud, throw us a bone.
No you don't. They're really all the same immortal person, it's just capable of splitting into multiple individuals.

No, I don't know. Which Jew? I know lots of Jews. Some of them probably have secrets. How am I supposed to know which one he's asking about? Geez, bud, throw us a bone.
What he means is "post how awesome Jews are so I can have a fap about it".

What he means is "post how awesome Jews are so I can have a fap about it".

Considering the OP, it's surprising that it lacks the usual side dish of "let's post how evil and vile all Muslims are and how they need to be exterminated so I can have even more faps about it".

Sadly, no, but that's having a state education in Yorkshire for you, eh?

Ah, in state schools they don't have the right expertise to keep the Jew in his natural condition. Unless the body is kept at the right temperature, the testicles automatically teleport back to Jew HQ, from where they are then sold on via the black market. The proceeds are used to give each Jewish child their famed trust fund containing £6.66 million.

What he means is "post how awesome Jews are so I can have a fap about it".

Please pardon my ignorance but what is a fap?

Please pardon my ignorance but what is a fap?

Self-gratification, to put in a family-friendly context.

Self-gratification, to put in a family-friendly context.

Ah... That explains their response to me.

What he means is "post how awesome Jews are so I can have a fap about it".
Why don't we look at what I said before, shall we?

I just stumbled upon an interesting quote from Twain and it got me thinking...so I brought it here.

It's exactly because of foolish posts like the one you made above, that I didn't include that I was Jewish in the OP, because I didn't want people to think I was trying to "brag" or something and get sidetracked from the discussion at hand.

Unfortunatly, it seems it's taboo to talk about Jews and Intelligence, so I had to reveal that I was Jewish or else I was about to be attacked on some anti anti-semetic crusade...

Jews have been persecuted, it would seem, since the beginning of time. Except for a brief time when Ancient Israel held a certain ascendancy under David, Solomon and etc. During this time they displayed all the unpleasantness and decadence of any group with power (remember David had Bathsheba's husband "disposed of" so he could sleep with her? And remember all the young "bedwarmers" he had when he was geriatric?). God was, apparently, displeased with all the bad habits the ancient Jews had fallen into when they had power, so he took it all away from them and had them persecuted again. They've been persecuted just enough to make them stronger and smarter, but not quite enough to destroy them. That's really the key to any success - enough hardship to piss one off, but not enough to completely destroy one.

Actually, if anyone really wants to destroy any group of people, make life too easy for them. Make sure they have everything they want and need with no effort expended. They'll die off like flies in a pesticide factory.

Why don't we look at what I said before, shall we?
Uhu... people largely only note things that amuse or otherwise please them. I also know from other posts you've made in the past that a) you are very narcissistic and b) you are Jewish, so I made the link. Sorry and all.

Uhu... people largely only note things that amuse or otherwise please them.
Or anger them, or interest them, or scare them, or or or.....:rolleyes:
Sorry and all.
Apology accepted.

They've been persecuted just enough to make them stronger and smarter, but not quite enough to destroy them. That's really the key to any success - enough hardship to piss one off, but not enough to completely destroy one.

If that is the case, doesn't that mean some 400-500 years down the line, we'd be seeing Palestinian and Tibetan supermen?

If that is the case, doesn't that mean some 400-500 years down the line, we'd be seeing Palestinian and Tibetan supermen?

Entirely possible.

Considering the OP, it's surprising that it lacks the usual side dish of "let's post how evil and vile all Muslims are and how they need to be exterminated so I can have even more faps about it".
That'll come later, when he finds a quote that talks about how lowly Muslims are so we can compare the two.

It's exactly because of foolish posts like the one you made above, that I didn't include that I was Jewish in the OP, because I didn't want people to think I was trying to "brag" or something and get sidetracked from the discussion at hand.
In other words, you deliberately left out information about yourself to fool posters. You thought that if you stated in the OP that you were Jewish, ppl would dismiss this as self-indulgent (wearing your hairshirt proudly, are you?).
So really, you just want ppl agreeing with your very strong beliefs that Jews are superior. This is borne out from the fact that you didn't offer any opinion yourself about the quote, but did support and thank posters who supported the quote while attacking others who didn't.

And you truly believe this isn't just self-indulgent mental masturbation? Who are you trying to kid: you or us?

That'll come later, when he finds a quote that talks about how lowly Muslims are so we can compare the two.
Obviously I had no intention of this at all, but you know what, because of how assholeish you are behaving, I hope to God I just happen to stumble across some information like that.

In other words...*SNIP UNRELATED GARBAGE*
In other words, I left out information in the OP because I wanted it to be as unbiased and neutral as possible.

I thanked the person that presented me with the sources because they were the only one that presented me with sourced information.....but enjoy reading into whatever bullshit you feel like....

That'll come later, when he finds a quote that talks about how lowly Muslims are so we can compare the two.


There are actually scientific studies on the population of the Indian subcontinent documenting how the spread of Islam lowered average IQs in the North Indian population (high-intelligence indigenous Hindu religious scholars were disproportionately slaughtered by the invading Islamic armies, who generally spared and subjugated low-intelligence Hindu peasants). This IQ-lowering effect is not seen in South India, which never suffered a comparable massive Islamic invasion.

Btw, I'm not Jewish and even though I don't know the OP's posting history I probably don't sympathize with his political views. I'm Chinese, and - since we are apparently tossing PC out the window in this thread - I accept the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a valid allegory for recent human history. To elaborate on that point- the high intelligence of Jews allows individuals among them to manipulate and even destroy many traditional, gentile cultures, often leading to horrifying consequences.

Obviously I had no intention of this at all, but you know what, because of how assholeish you are behaving, I hope to God I just happen to stumble across some information like that.


In other words, I left out information in the OP because I wanted it to be as unbiased and neutral as possible.

I thanked the person that presented me with the sources because they were the only one that presented me with sourced information.....but enjoy reading into whatever bullshit you feel like....
In other words you didn't offer your opinion (which I was under the impression was required for starting a thread, otherwise it's spam) cause you just wanted ppl to massage your already burgeoning ego that you come from a race superior to all others.

That's why you thankfully lapped up all responses which supports your notions and ripped anyone who said anything otherwise. Why else would you dismiss someone's response that we're all humans as PC-bullshit? Why else but for the fact said post doesn't make you feel superior.

Hard to believe a race as superior as you think it is has such a fragile ego it needs constant massaging and assuaging from those of us below you that you are indeed 'gifted'.

If I posted a lengthy quote claiming that Japanese (for eg) are superior to every other race, yet 'forget' to mention I myself am Japanese, I can hardly claim that the thread is purely out of interest, is neutral and completely unbiased. Especially if then I only want to hear ppl agree with the quote.
sad. very sad.

In other words you didn't offer your opinion (which I was under the impression was required for starting a thread, otherwise it's spam) cause you just wanted ppl to massage your already burgeoning ego that you come from a race superior to all others.

That's why you thankfully lapped up all responses which supports your notions and ripped anyone who said anything otherwise. Why else would you dismiss someone's response that we're all humans as PC-bullshit? Why else but for the fact said post doesn't make you feel superior.

Hard to believe a race as superior as you think it is has such a fragile ego it needs constant massaging and assuaging from those of us below you that you are indeed 'gifted'.

If I posted a lengthy quote claiming that Japanese (for eg) are superior to every other race, yet 'forget' to mention I myself am Japanese, I can hardly claim that the thread is purely out of interest, is neutral and completely unbiased. Especially if then I only want to hear ppl agree with the quote.
sad. very sad.
We are arguing in circles. I keep claiming otherwise and saying that you are just making that up, and you keep saying you are not. It's getting boring.

So, the only sourced material I've seen is in support of Ashkenazi Jews being genetically and culturally evolved for higher intelligence. I've seen nothing to counter it. I'd love to see something if someone had it....I created the thread purely on interest. I'm waiting for responses with other, even opposing (yet sourced) viewpoints.

In other words you didn't offer your opinion (which I was under the impression was required for starting a thread, otherwise it's spam) cause you just wanted ppl to massage your already burgeoning ego that you come from a race superior to all others.

That's why you thankfully lapped up all responses which supports your notions and ripped anyone who said anything otherwise. Why else would you dismiss someone's response that we're all humans as PC-bullshit? Why else but for the fact said post doesn't make you feel superior.

Hard to believe a race as superior as you think it is has such a fragile ego it needs constant massaging and assuaging from those of us below you that you are indeed 'gifted'.

If I posted a lengthy quote claiming that Japanese (for eg) are superior to every other race, yet 'forget' to mention I myself am Japanese, I can hardly claim that the thread is purely out of interest, is neutral and completely unbiased. Especially if then I only want to hear ppl agree with the quote.
sad. very sad.

Thanks for the support. I haven't encountered the OP before and I must say I found their response to my first post odd until I got a better handle on their views.

TAI's approach is dangerous. The moment you say one group is superior to another group (for whatever reason) persecution follows. This way to the gas chambers, folks.

From what I've heard of jewish comedy and jewish comedians, I suspect they have harnessed the infinite power of Guilt. What do jews use to keep their children on the straight and narrow? Guilt. Why does Israel exist? Guilt. "Give me some guilt and the right person to apply it to and I will move the world for you." -Archimedes the Jew. *nod*

There are actually scientific studies on the population of the Indian subcontinent documenting how the spread of Islam lowered average IQs in the North Indian population (high-intelligence indigenous Hindu religious scholars were disproportionately slaughtered by the invading Islamic armies, who generally spared and subjugated low-intelligence Hindu peasants). This IQ-lowering effect is not seen in South India, which never suffered a comparable massive Islamic invasion.
Source? I'd like to read up on that.
Btw, I'm not Jewish and even though I don't know the OP's posting history I probably don't sympathize with his political views. I'm Chinese, and - since we are apparently tossing PC out the window in this thread - I accept the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a valid allegory for recent human history. To elaborate on that point- the high intelligence of Jews allows individuals among them to manipulate and even destroy many traditional, gentile cultures, often leading to horrifying consequences.
The Protocols could only work if you believed that all Jews who are in positions of power, whatever that power may be, are not simply individuals who happen to be Jewish but rather part of a, Jewish-Web, for lack of better term, controlled by some higher echelon of Jews.

Seems a bit (read, very) farfetched.

Thanks for the support. I haven't encountered the OP before and I must say I found their response to my first post odd until I got a better handle on their views.

TAI's approach is dangerous. The moment you say one group is superior to another group (for whatever reason) persecution follows. This way to the gas chambers, folks.

Oh you should read his rants on "Leftists" and how Gus Pinochet was the best thing for Chile since sliced bread.

He even managed to inject the word "leftist" into his tirades more times than the late Angry Internet Stalinist did with the word "bourgeois".

From what I've heard of jewish comedy and jewish comedians, I suspect they have harnessed the infinite power of Guilt. What do jews use to keep their children on the straight and narrow? Guilt. Why does Israel exist? Guilt. "Give me some guilt and the right person to apply it to and I will move the world for you." -Archimedes the Jew. *nod*

Having had a Catholic upbringing, we've always joked about Catholic guilt trips.

Q: Heard about the Catholic bestseller?
A: Guilt without Sex.

Thanks for the support. I haven't encountered the OP before and I must say I found their response to my first post odd until I got a better handle on their views.

TAI's approach is dangerous. The moment you say one group is superior to another group (for whatever reason) persecution follows. This way to the gas chambers, folks.

Some groups are clearly superior to others at certain things though. East Africans for example are far and away superior to any other population at long-distance running. Just anecdotally, if you saw the Olympics last month you would've seen Kenyans and Ethiopians lap white and yellow men in the 5,000 and 10,000 m races. There's physiological research that validate the anecdotes. Likewise, anecdote and research demonstrates that Jews' higher average IQ and superior performance at many intelligence-weighted tasks.

Yet none of this is a reason to send anyone to the gas chambers. There might be some genocidal maniacs out there who will try, but the ideals of compassion, morality, and non-violence are absolutely unaffected by the lowly realities of the material world, like racial differences.

Having had a Catholic upbringing, we've always joked about Catholic guilt trips.

Q: Heard about the Catholic bestseller?
A: Guilt without sex.

And that is why the Catholic Church is so powerful today, they have taken the Jewish Science of Guilt and used it to develop the Catholic Art of Guilt.

I'm still trying to find the source of Buddhism's power, but I suspect they make use of careful media marketing of awesomeness. *nod*

TAI's approach is dangerous. The moment you say one group is superior to another group (for whatever reason) persecution follows. This way to the gas chambers, folks.
Political Correctness is dangerous. The moment you must restrict your speech and label uncomfterable things taboo because they are are outside your comfort zone, (for whatever reason) censorship follows and freedom of speech/thought die. This way to the Thought Police Central Station, folks.

Political Correctness is dangerous. The moment you must restrict your speech and label uncomfterable things taboo because they are are outside your comfort zone, (for whatever reason) censorship follows and freedom of speech/thought die. This way to the Thought Police Central Station, folks.

You are using simplistic labels to stifle thought.

You are attempting to restrict my expression.

You are the thought policeman.

Source? I'd like to read up on that.
I can't find it at the moment, sorry, but I will look for it in my bibliography some time and post it here (maybe not today because it's getting late). However I'm sure it can be found with a google search.

The Protocols could only work if you believed that all Jews who are in positions of power, whatever that power may be, are not simply individuals who happen to be Jewish but rather part of a, Jewish-Web, for lack of better term, controlled by some higher echelon of Jews.

Seems a bit (read, very) farfetched.


No book has only one interpretation and certainly something as imaginative as the Protocols will have more than one interpretation. In your interpretation, you read it rather literally by focusing on the "Jewish-Web" and "sinister master plan" aspect of the story, but in my interpretation I believe the Protocols simply reflect the observation that although Jews have higher intelligence, allowing them power and wealth, they possess the same greed and selfishness that is found in every race and population on earth, regardless of color, religion, and culture. Thus in Jews, the combination of the Jewish trait of high intelligence and the human trait of shortsightedness and brutality resulted in the chaotic upheavals of modern history, such as the Bolshevik Party, Jewish-financed wars, radical social movements, and international capitalism and its advantages and disadvantages. Probably none of these disparate events were coordinated by some sinister "Jewish-Web", but individual Jews are definitely found at the forefront of each of these upheavals due to the great power and wealth they earned through their advantages in intelligence.

We're ninjas.

Ninja? I thought you were divided into practitioners of Jew-Jitsu and Jew-do.

Ninja? I thought you were divided into practitioners of Jew-Jitsu and Jew-do.

Don't they water those down and pass it off as Krav Maga?

Don't they water those down and pass it off as Krav Maga?

Meh, Jiu-Jitsu and Judo are just watered down Kung Fu. It's all about going to the source baby. The one and only Shaolin Temple. ;)

Don't they water those down and pass it off as Krav Maga?

Krav Maga is only Lesson 1, taught to outsiders. Jews learn the other 35 Lessons. *nods*

The Protocols could only work if you believed that all Jews who are in positions of power, whatever that power may be, are not simply individuals who happen to be Jewish but rather part of a, Jewish-Web, for lack of better term, controlled by some higher echelon of Jews.

Seems a bit (read, very) farfetched.

Doesn't have to be. Genghis Khan didn't need a web of like minded people in positions of power to leave behind a path of unmitigated slaughter throughout Asia, Europe and Russia. He just needed to be the boss of the Mongolian horde.

A Jewish equivalent of Fred Phelps in a position of considerable power is all it takes for any number of horrors to be carried out under his banner. Unless you're arguing that Jews are somehow exempt from human flaws like hate, greed, and just outright douchebaggery, which history proves otherwise.

If that is the case, doesn't that mean some 400-500 years down the line, we'd be seeing Palestinian and Tibetan supermen?

I actually want to change my response to this, since I don't believe the Israelis are "supermen" in any sense of the word, including the Nietzchean. The Israelis are focused on their survival - at any possible cost. And Jews worldwide are focused on Israel, for good or ill. Palestinians are a bullet aimed at Israel by nations who are focused on the destruction of Israel - at any possible cost. It's a lose-lose situation for the Palestinians and Israel. But for those nations who are using the Palestinian situation for their own ends, it's a winning situation. So, no, we won't see any Palestinian "supermen" because once they have outlived their usefulness to those nations, they won't be destroyed, they'll be "forgotten" (another effective way destroy a group). And Israel, as a nation with actual land and borders could, conceivably, be destroyed, but the nation of Israel will still exist angrier and more focused on survival than ever.

The Tibetans are another story, I'll be interested to see how that turns out.

...The Protocols could only work if you believed that all Jews who are in positions of power, whatever that power may be, are not simply individuals who happen to be Jewish but rather part of a, Jewish-Web, for lack of better term, controlled by some higher echelon of Jews.

Seems a bit (read, very) farfetched.

What's your view on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, TAi? Do you endorse them or repudiate them? Either way, why?

Some groups are clearly superior to others at certain things though. East Africans for example are far and away superior to any other population at long-distance running. Just anecdotally, if you saw the Olympics last month you would've seen Kenyans and Ethiopians lap white and yellow men in the 5,000 and 10,000 m races. There's physiological research that validate the anecdotes. Likewise, anecdote and research demonstrates that Jews' higher average IQ and superior performance at many intelligence-weighted tasks.

Yet none of this is a reason to send anyone to the gas chambers. There might be some genocidal maniacs out there who will try, but the ideals of compassion, morality, and non-violence are absolutely unaffected by the lowly realities of the material world, like racial differences.

I have issues with your first paragraph, AS.

I can breed with Kenyans, Ethiopians or Jewish people. Therefore we are all the same.

My species is good at long distance running. My species is clever.

I am Kenyan, Ethiopian, Jewish, Japanese and Australian.

We share our DNA.

Superiority?

Irrelevant.

We're ninjas.

Then it's no coincidence that the Star of David is conveniently shaped like a shuriken. (http://www.merriol.freeserve.co.uk/products/ninja.htm)

I hate these ridiculously PC responses. This is exactly why political correctness ruins a good discussion. Grow up.
What "PC response"?

Political Correctness is dangerous. The moment you must restrict your speech and label uncomfterable things taboo because they are are outside your comfort zone, (for whatever reason) censorship follows and freedom of speech/thought die. This way to the Thought Police Central Station, folks.
What is "Political Correctness"? What are you talking about? What has been "restricted"?

I actually want to change my response to this, since I don't believe the Israelis are "supermen" in any sense of the word, including the Nietzchean.

Well, think about it. What were the social pressures of the Jewish communities in Europe in the dark ages? Mostly succeed in fields others wouldn't touch, like banking, or perish. I don't know if you can breed smart people like that, but it certainly weeded out those who weren't.

What are the current pressures facing the Palestinians and Tibetans? Resource scarcity, oppression from the controlling group, internal strife, high levels of high velocity particulate pollution.

In the year 2500, we might see a new breed of humans with really thick epidermis capable of withstanding high velocity impacts, digestive systems capable of processing even rocks, able to perform 50m standing jumps and the ability to shut down nonessential portions of the brain while still remaining active :p


So, no, we won't see any Palestinian "supermen" because once they have outlived their usefulness to those nations, they won't be destroyed, they'll be "forgotten" (another effective way destroy a group).

You're forgetting the Israeli's themselves. Unless they completely wipe out the Palestinians, a large number of retard Israeli's, the sort who live in the OT and drive out the original inhabitants for example, will still find the time and effort to try and near exterminate as many Palestinians as possible. The pressure will still be on.

I have issues with your first paragraph, AS.

I can breed with Kenyans, Ethiopians or Jewish people. Therefore we are all the same.

My species is good at long distance running. My species is clever.

I am Kenyan, Ethiopian, Jewish, Japanese and Australian.

We share our DNA.

Superiority?

Irrelevant.

It's not so much about different species, I think. It's more to do with breeding desirable attributes. Humans have done it for centuries with animal husbandry. Fatter, more docile cows, sheep with better wool yields, that sort of thing. In humans, at least before the industrial age, certain attributes were what defined whether you lived to pass on to the next generation or not. It's not all that different really.

We're all the same species, true, but that doesn't mean that attributes weren't encouraged in certain sub-groups.

That being said, it doesn't mean you won't get retards in any of the groups. Retards are a universal occurrence in any of them.

It's not so much about different species, I think. It's more to do with breeding desirable attributes. Humans have done it for centuries with animal husbandry. Fatter, more docile cows, sheep with better wool yields, that sort of thing. In humans, at least before the industrial age, certain attributes were what defined whether you lived to pass on to the next generation or not. It's not all that different really.

We're all the same species, true, but that doesn't mean that attributes weren't encouraged in certain sub-groups.

That being said, it doesn't mean you won't get retards in any of the groups. Retards are a universal occurrence in any of them.

It seems to me that The Atlantian islands and Antebellum South are making distinctions based on their constructed notions of race. I am trying to break down the construction to argue that we have far more in common than we have that separates us.

"...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk.

One part of the deal is selection.

Another part is much simpler. If you're not successful, and less than completely Jewish, everyone quickly forgets you are at all. But if you're successful, and even 1/16 of Jewish blood is found or at least suspected in you, the Jewish community instantly recognizes you as one of them.

Next, 3 of 6 billion are just bulk, and another 2 are a different, Asian culture. So that puts the proportion of Jews at no less than 5% - but of recognized Jews. If you search well, at least half the Europeans or Americans will have some Jewish blood in them, only waiting to be recognized if they succeed.

We're ninjas.

I've always suspected the glasses were a cunning ruse....

Jews have the power of the passive aggressive nagging mothers. You drive to suceed just so you can escape.

Woah, you just summarized Philip Roth's book Portnoy's Complaint.

The Hebrew Hammer is the secret of the Jew.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7n_RrAUNIE


Note that I'd have used Zohan but I haven't seen it yet.

Political Correctness is dangerous. The moment you must restrict your speech and label uncomfterable things taboo because they are are outside your comfort zone, (for whatever reason) censorship follows and freedom of speech/thought die. This way to the Thought Police Central Station, folks.
How does public perception changing so that words such as ******, coon or spic, or institutions such as blackface minstrels, become unacceptable equate, in any imaginable way, to the death of freedom of speech? You're free to call people with different levels of melanin in their skin by whatever name you choose; we'll just, rightly, call you an ignorant bigot for it.

Try and form a meaningful understanding of the terms you use, before you use them.



Meh, Jiu-Jitsu and Judo are just watered down Kung Fu. It's all about going to the source baby. The one and only Shaolin Temple.
That'd be the Shaolin Temple, destroyed years ago by the CCP and only reinstated once they realised they'd gutted Chinese cultural history, and could make some quick bucks off of foolish Westerners who've watched too many Shaw Brothers films, yeah?

That'd be the Shaolin Temple, destroyed years ago by the CCP and only reinstated once they realised they'd gutted Chinese cultural history, and could make some quick bucks off of foolish Westerners who've watched too many Shaw Brothers films, yeah?

We can thank the anti-intellectual (AKA everyone must be made stupider than me) attitude of Mao for that, which is a bit curious since right wingers, especially the fundamentalist sort tend to be also anti-intellectual no?

But to be fair, the reinstated temple has managed to pull of some impressive feats. I've seen one boy no older than 12 push a van with a spear butt while the pointed end of the same spear is pressed against his throat.

We're just better than you.

But to be fair, the reinstated temple has managed to pull of some impressive feats. I've seen one boy no older than 12 push a van with a spear butt while the pointed end of the same spear is pressed against his throat.
I don't doubt the students of the temple can display incredible feats, but that trying to claim the martial arts currently taught at the modern temple is 'pure' or 'original' kung fu is rather naive. (Not that you're doing so.)

That'll come later, when he finds a quote that talks about how lowly Muslims are so we can compare the two.


Obviously I had no intention of this at all, but you know what, because of how assholeish you are behaving, I hope to God I just happen to stumble across some information like that.
Now look what you've done, Zombie PotatoHeads. Now he'll use you as a justification for launching Act 2 of The Bigot's Opera. Thanks loads.

In other words, I left out information in the OP because I wanted it to be as unbiased and neutral as possible.

Oh, really? Then why do you still refuse to name which Jew you're talking about? Eh? Eh? "Secret of 'the Jew'" -- as if there's only one. Bah!



Hard to believe a race as superior as you think it is has such a fragile ego it needs constant massaging and assuaging from those of us below you that you are indeed 'gifted'.


There are those who would say that this is what makes them god-like.

We are arguing in circles. I keep claiming otherwise and saying that you are just making that up, and you keep saying you are not. It's getting boring.


The difference being that ZPH's comments are a valid analysis of your posts in this thread -- valid because they have logical consistency with those posts. Whereas your comments in response are just posturing and BS attacks or dismissal against all critics, said comments being without any real substance.

Ninja? I thought you were divided into practitioners of Jew-Jitsu and Jew-do.
Nin-Jewtsu.

Oh, really? Then why do you still refuse to name which Jew you're talking about? Eh? Eh? "Secret of 'the Jew'" -- as if there's only one. Bah!


I believe H N Fiddlebottoms has already provided an answer to that question accurately.

Doesn't have to be. Genghis Khan didn't need a web of like minded people in positions of power to leave behind a path of unmitigated slaughter throughout Asia, Europe and Russia. He just needed to be the boss of the Mongolian horde.
This is true. The right tool will make light work of any job, if you put it in the right hands. Golden Horde + Genghis = Success.

Conversely, even the right tool will avail you nothing, if you give it to an unskilled idiot who couldn't figure out how to tie his own shoes without written instructions and supervision. US Armed Forces + George W. Bush = Non-Success.

Conspiracy theories fail because they can never point to the Genghis in the equation. And where there is a Genghis, there is need for neither conspiracy nor theory. Even if the theorists are right, and a conspiracy does exist, then we need not worry about it because it clearly has no Genghis, just a bunch of Bushes wanking it around, or else it wouldn't be a conspiracy. It would be the Golden Horde riding across our lawns.

So, unless and until, everyone in the developed world lives a life that revolves around a seasonal calendar of Jewish Horde raids and massacres, all this breeding and protocols bullshit is...well, bullshit.

A Jewish equivalent of Fred Phelps in a position of considerable power is all it takes for any number of horrors to be carried out under his banner. Unless you're arguing that Jews are somehow exempt from human flaws like hate, greed, and just outright douchebaggery, which history proves otherwise.
History... and also any number of internet threads.

I believe H N Fiddlebottoms has already provided an answer to that question accurately.
I saw that and decided to ignore it because it would have killed my minor amusement in throwing "which Jew?" at TAI.

Honestly, sometimes I wonder about people in this forum. Do they all just float around in their own little context-less bubble realities, completely unable to see why someone posted something in a given thread?

It's the gold.

Honestly, sometimes I wonder about people in this forum. Do they all just float around in their own little context-less bubble realities, completely unable to see why someone posted something in a given thread?

Yes. The average intellectual level of the wretched souls who frequent this forum is roughly equivalent to that of the more dedicated Digimon fanatic who believes that the fictional universe as seen in a reasonably popular animated series of Japanese origin is actually a reality in a different dimension.

Honestly, sometimes I wonder about people in this forum. Do they all just float around in their own little context-less bubble realities, completely unable to see why someone posted something in a given thread?

Context is irrelevant, we are Jew, we are one, resistance is futile, we shall not be assimilated.

Yes. The average intellectual level of the wretched souls who frequent this forum is roughly equivalent to that of the more dedicated Digimon fanatic who believes that the fictional universe as seen in a reasonably popular animated series of Japanese origin is actually a reality in a different dimension.

Context is irrelevant, we are Jew, we are one, resistance is futile, we shall not be assimilated.

I believe both of you. :D

I've not bothered to really read the thread properly since a cursory glance pretty much confirmed what I'd expected from the posts within but I do think there's an interesting question here. I've often wondered why the number of great Jewish comedians, writers, directors, actors and so on are so out of proportion. A common explanation - that Jews look out for eachother doesn't hold up under even the lightest examination. So what is it?

My best answer is that it's something like the reason why Jamaicans are great at sprinting - their culture supports it way more than any other culture does. That's a far more viable cause than anything to do with genetics.

I've not bothered to really read the thread properly since a cursory glance pretty much confirmed what I'd expected from the posts within but I do think there's an interesting question here. I've often wondered why the number of great Jewish comedians, writers, directors, actors and so on are so out of proportion. A common explanation - that Jews look out for eachother doesn't hold up under even the lightest examination. So what is it?

My best answer is that it's something like the reason why Jamaicans are great at sprinting - their culture supports it way more than any other culture does. That's a far more viable cause than anything to do with genetics.
More viable than the genetics thing, maybe, but that doesn't make it viable.

As for the Protocols, they're not true. Anymore.

See, the leaking of the Protocols brought up plenty of old disagreements among the Elders of Zion. It tore the council apart. The entire plan to rule the world behind the scenes was abandoned, because it was clear that there was a major flaw - it involved Jews trying to work together and coordinate efforts across the globe.

Instead, they latched on to Herzl's plan to create a Jewish state in Israel. Jewish socialist youths - who, in the original plan, would have taken control of the Communist movement - were instead used to accelerate the settlement of Israel.

Incidentally, the plan itself was declassified in 1968, after it was declared "completed".

That'd be the Shaolin Temple, destroyed years ago by the CCP and only reinstated once they realised they'd gutted Chinese cultural history, and could make some quick bucks off of foolish Westerners who've watched too many Shaw Brothers films, yeah?
Damn, that's serious shit. I was just being facetious; I don't even know where the Shaolin Temple is! :D

I have issues with your first paragraph, AS.

I can breed with Kenyans, Ethiopians or Jewish people. Therefore we are all the same.

My species is good at long distance running. My species is clever.

I am Kenyan, Ethiopian, Jewish, Japanese and Australian.

We share our DNA.

Superiority?

Irrelevant.

I would take that a step further. "The wise see the same soul in a learned Brahmin, a cow, an elephant, a dog, and a lowly outcaste." (From Bhagavad Gita)

I saw that and decided to ignore it because it would have killed my minor amusement in throwing "which Jew?" at TAI.

Honestly, sometimes I wonder about people in this forum. Do they all just float around in their own little context-less bubble realities, completely unable to see why someone posted something in a given thread?
Wait, are you talking about me? Because it sounds a lot like you're talking about me.
Or maybe you're talking about yourself, as it is pretty fucking obvious from the context that Atlantian Islands was using "the Jew" as a collective noun. Sure, it doesn't sound right to the modern, PC-conscious ear, but in the 19th century (the time that his Twain quote is from) it was as normal as child labor or outdoor toilets.

It's the gold.
Is it some kind of radioactive gold?

... So that's how Israel 'doesn't' have material for nukes, a gold tax!

My best answer is that it's something like the reason why Jamaicans are great at sprinting - their culture supports it way more than any other culture does. That's a far more viable cause than anything to do with genetics.

With Jamaican running it could also be economics: Sprinting doesn't necessarily need a massive investment, so you can pool your meagre resources in the most efficient/cheapest area.

Political Correctness is dangerous. The moment you must restrict your speech and label uncomfterable things taboo because they are are outside your comfort zone, (for whatever reason) censorship follows and freedom of speech/thought die. This way to the Thought Police Central Station, folks.

The untermensch is correct, as unlikely as it is, coming from the keyboard of an untermensch. Political correctness is dangerous. One should be able to label others as they see fit.

*doffs peaked cap with deaths head symbol*
who wants to bet he'll get in a huff?

So these mutations increase intelligence? Source.

I hate these ridiculously PC responses. This is exactly why political correctness ruins a good discussion. Grow up.

Haha, with a thread like this you're asking for trouble. Also, what kind of response do you want? "zomg i no teh sekrit of teh jooz!!1"

With Jamaican running it could also be economics: Sprinting doesn't necessarily need a massive investment, so you can pool your meagre resources in the most efficient/cheapest area.

I think it's genetics, because American and English sprinters of Caribbean decent do fairly well, as do Trinidadians.

I hate these ridiculously PC responses. This is exactly why political correctness ruins a good discussion. Grow up.

Well if it's un-PC responses you want, you should've just said so!

Here is "the secret of the Jew":

The Holocaust was a hoax.

Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

Happy now?

Well if it's un-PC responses you want, you should've just said so!

Here is "the secret of the Jew":

The Holocaust was a hoax.

Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

Happy now?

Lol, Leuchter report.

Damn, that's serious shit. I was just being facetious; I don't even know where the Shaolin Temple is! :D
Ahh, sorry if I was a bit harsh.

I hate these ridiculously PC responses. This is exactly why political correctness ruins a good discussion. Grow up.

QFT.

What is the problem?

You think they are not human beings like you or me?

I don't think he's saying that Jews aren't human; he's objecting to political correctness being injected into this discussion, because, in a nutshell, political correctness is basically lies worded in such a way as to make them sound respectable (e.g. "promiscuity" for fornication).

I think it might be a cultural thing. All the Jewish people I know come from educated families who came from educated families, they are all (with a few exceptions) very interested in learning. They also have a work ethic that is astounding.

I only know like 30 families though so like.......it's all anecdotal.

Well if it's un-PC responses you want, you should've just said so!

Here is "the secret of the Jew":

The Holocaust was a hoax.

Source: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

Happy now?

No, the "secret" of the Jews - Here is a REAL un-PC statement! - is:

God swore to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that their descendants (the Jews) would inherit the land of Canaan, which we now call Palestine, forever. Therefore, so that promise can be fulfilled, the Jews as a people have survived the centuries.

THAT is the "secret" of the Jew.

No, the "secret" of the Jews - Here is a REAL un-PC statement! - is:

God swore to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that their descendants (the Jews) would inherit the land of Canaan, which we now call Palestine, forever. Therefore, so that promise can be fulfilled, the Jews as a people have survived the centuries.

THAT is the "secret" of the Jew.
but thats not secret.

but thats not secret.
Shush. You're raining on their parade. ;)

No, the "secret" of the Jews - Here is a REAL un-PC statement! - is:

God swore to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that their descendants (the Jews) would inherit the land of Canaan, which we now call Palestine, forever. Therefore, so that promise can be fulfilled, the Jews as a people have survived the centuries.

THAT is the "secret" of the Jew.
Wait a second -- this just occurred to me: Are you saying that, if not for that real estate promise, the Jews would all have died by now?

I don't know... that doesn't seem very likely.

I think maybe there's another secret. One you don't know. Keep thinking about it, maybe you'll find it.

Shush. You're raining on their parade. ;)
i only clicked on this thread to see the ads.

wow its like a microcosm of all NSG.

Political correctness is the boogyman the right throws out whenever they want to complain that they cant call black people ******s or that they cant deny the holocaust.

i only clicked on this thread to see the ads.

wow its like a microcosm of all NSG.
Jews are, apparently, universally fascinating. :D

"...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"

- Mark Twain

Well? I'd like to know what people think. What is the secret of the Jew? Why is it that the above is true? Please, keep it civil and informative.

They never lost their religion, which in turn shows strict discipline and responsibility that carries over into everything they do in life.

They were quasi-good guys in the later Dune novels.
I liked that little plot-point.

The old Rabbi and his mistrust of the Bene Gesserit witches was well done. Indeed, the whole religious nature of the Dune series (the proper novels, not the money-grabbing pish that's been pumped out since Herbert's death) was one of the best features.

Jews are, apparently, universally fascinating. :D

Well, they glow when exposed to ultraviolet light and you can fold them to make little gooses and if you squeeze them in just the right spot, they spit out $100 bills!

:)

Well, they glow when exposed to ultraviolet light and you can fold them to make little gooses and if you squeeze them in just the right spot, they spit out $100 bills!

:)

Stop telling everybody our secrets, LG!

As for the Protocols, they're not true. Anymore.

See, the leaking of the Protocols brought up plenty of old disagreements among the Elders of Zion. It tore the council apart. The entire plan to rule the world behind the scenes was abandoned, because it was clear that there was a major flaw - it involved Jews trying to work together and coordinate efforts across the globe.

Instead, they latched on to Herzl's plan to create a Jewish state in Israel. Jewish socialist youths - who, in the original plan, would have taken control of the Communist movement - were instead used to accelerate the settlement of Israel.

Incidentally, the plan itself was declassified in 1968, after it was declared "completed".

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were a hoax written by Russian anti-semites. You can read all about their history at Wikipedia here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion).

I was intrigued by TAi's response to this post:

…Btw, I'm not Jewish and even though I don't know the OP's posting history I probably don't sympathize with his political views. I'm Chinese, and - since we are apparently tossing PC out the window in this thread - I accept the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a valid allegory for recent human history. To elaborate on that point- the high intelligence of Jews allows individuals among them to manipulate and even destroy many traditional, gentile cultures, often leading to horrifying consequences.

TAi's response was:

...The Protocols could only work if you believed that all Jews who are in positions of power, whatever that power may be, are not simply individuals who happen to be Jewish but rather part of a, Jewish-Web, for lack of better term, controlled by some higher echelon of Jews.

Seems a bit (read, very) farfetched.

Remember, TAi claims to be Jewish - chauvinistically so. It seems odd to me that such a proud Jew wouldn't bring to people's attention the nature of forgery of The Protocols. Their response to AS's comment is one of scepticism about their effectiveness but seems to accept their authenticity.

Further, TAi is obsessively keen to demonstrate the racial separateness of Jews. So much so, that readers might find it repulsive. If TAi wanted to create ill-will towards Jews they could hardly be more effective.

TAi's politics, as demonstrated in NS, are so right-wing that one might believe they were fascist. Their signature quotes Hitler, perhaps ironically, perhaps admiringly. Their avatar is a satirical image of the late 19th century / early 20th century Jewish business man, popular amongst fascists of that time.

I would contend the following:

1. TAi is not Jewish
2. TAi hates Jews
3. TAi is trying to engender resentment towards Jews.

This is my opinion. I cannot prove it. Similarly, TAi cannot prove they are Jewish. It's all very curious.

1. TAi is not Jewish
2. TAi hates Jews
3. TAi is trying to engender resentment towards Jews.


It's also entirely possible that TAI is the Jewish equivalent of 17th century white man, who views all other racial types as not human, or somehow inferior. Given his vitriol against certain ethnic and religious groups, it would fit.


This is my opinion. I cannot prove it. Similarly, TAi cannot prove they are Jewish. It's all very curious.

TAI is multiple entities?

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were a hoax written by Russian anti-semites. You can read all about their history at Wikipedia here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion).
I'd also highly recommend Will Eisner's fantastic graphic novel about the Protocols and the impact the hoax has had on subsequent history.

It's called The Plot, and you can read about it here (http://www.willeisner.com/books/plot.html).

TAI is multiple entities?
There's as much proof for and against that claim as there is for any other personal accusation one could make.

My personal take on TAI is that he/she/it/they just enjoy(s) being obnoxious on the internet. However, there are a lot of inconsistencies in what TAI says about himself (I decided to pick the masculine generic pronoun form), which can easily lead one to believe that he is the opposite of what he says he is. Personally, it leads me just to dismiss everything he says as not serious, but whatever.

I think it's genetics, because American and English sprinters of Caribbean decent do fairly well, as do Trinidadians.

Except that Jamaica is a very small island and the population as a percentage of people of that ethnicity doesn't support having the best male and female sprinters across the board, having the relay team world record by about a year and so on. Jamaicans, however, put massive emphasis on running and their national high school track finals is attended by a crowd of tens of thousands. If Usian Bolt was American he would have probably ended up a wide receiver or something. Most sprinters are shorter than average, not because that height is favourable but because the taller ones are less likely to get cut from teams and turn to sprinting as a second or third choice.

Except that Jamaica is a very small island and the population as a percentage of people of that ethnicity doesn't support having the best male and female sprinters across the board, having the relay team world record by about a year and so on. Jamaicans, however, put massive emphasis on running and their national high school track finals is attended by a crowd of tens of thousands. If Usian Bolt was American he would have probably ended up a wide receiver or something. Most sprinters are shorter than average, not because that height is favourable but because the taller ones are less likely to get cut from teams and turn to sprinting as a second or third choice.

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone with basic pattern recognition skills that the fastest black sprinters are generally faster than the fastest sprinters from other races. And that's by no means limited to Jamaica.

I think it's fairly obvious to anyone with basic pattern recognition skills that the fastest black sprinters are generally faster than the fastest sprinters from other races. And that's by no means limited to Jamaica.

The question is why do Jamaicans trounce everybody else (of which other black guys are a subset of that group)

Political correctness is the boogyman the right throws out whenever they want to complain that they cant call black people ******s or that they cant deny the holocaust.

They can, but when they get called on their bullshit they whine about political correctness.

Well I'm half Jewish so perhaps I know half the secret. It's "Chutzpah" (Yiddish for cheek!). You may have heard the lyrics to the song, "I get knocked down, but I get up again. Nobody's gonna keep me down."
The other half of Judaism I either don't get or don't want to get. I don't keep kosher and I'm not heavily into rituals. I also know that Jews and Arabs better learn to get along quickly or everyone will lose. So as soon as there is a viable Palestinian state where everyone has a job and they like working with Jews, the better.
Here's what I wrote - I woke up from a surprisingly vivid dream and wrote it down:
Fight or flight


This morning I awoke from a dream.

I was back at Monash University walking near the Administration Building, when I noticed poster stuck to a sign with plenty of black tape. I approached the poster and read it. Reading it didn’t take long as it was only six words: “Zionist racists not welcome on campus.”

I tore down the sign. Four young men, presumably those who had put up the sign then confronted me. I immediately realised that they had put up the poster. Although they were shorter than me, their bearing suggested military experience or maybe just gang experience because they had half surrounded me, blocking me from continuing on to the student union.

“Why did you tear down our sign?” demanded the leader. The old familiar instinctual reaction of “fight or flight” surged through me. Four against one was not good odds but I decided to tell him anyway. They needed to know. This might just help them to avoid future harm – causing it and suffering it. I felt calm and unafraid. There were four of them but I was in charge of this situation.

Although I was still dreaming, I was fully aware of why I had torn it down – it had offended me. I recognised the implied threat in the wording. Superficially, it appeared to threaten Zionists but ultimately, it threatened all those who believed in freedom. True, it was not, “Juden Raus!” with brownshirted thugs smashing up Jewish shops. It was, however, heading that way. Whether they consciously realised it or not, the phrase “Zionist racists” was racist itself.

If the sign had simply said, “Racists not welcome here,” I would have read it and kept on walking. However, the phrase “Zionist racists” operated on a number of levels. Did it mean, “All Zionists are racists,” (as in the crude equation Zionism equals racism”)? Or was the poster simply stating “those Zionists who are racists not welcome here”? Well then, why put the word “Zionist” before the word racist? Was it really saying “Jews and those who support the state of Israel, to any degree, not welcome here”?

I realised that by tearing down another person’s sign, I was, ironically, defending liberty. Had I first seen them putting up the sign, I should have spoken to them and urged them to take it down. Why? Because their actions would cause a fight that they would have to lose. That sign was a blow at freedom of speech that would require even non-Zionists like myself to resist.

Red Bingham
25 Orange Grove,
East St Kilda
Victoria,
Ausatralia

Well I'm half Jewish so perhaps I know half the secret. It's "Chutzpah" (Yiddish for cheek!). You may have heard the lyrics to the song, "I get knocked down, but I get up again. Nobody's gonna keep me down."
The other half of Judaism I either don't get or don't want to get. I don't keep kosher and I'm not heavily into rituals. I also know that Jews and Arabs better learn to get along quickly or everyone will lose. So as soon as there is a viable Palestinian state where everyone has a job and they like working with Jews, the better.
Here's what I wrote - I woke up from a surprisingly vivid dream and wrote it down:
Fight or flight


This morning I awoke from a dream.

I was back at Monash University walking near the Administration Building, when I noticed poster stuck to a sign with plenty of black tape. I approached the poster and read it. Reading it didn’t take long as it was only six words: “Zionist racists not welcome on campus.”

I tore down the sign. Four young men, presumably those who had put up the sign then confronted me. I immediately realised that they had put up the poster. Although they were shorter than me, their bearing suggested military experience or maybe just gang experience because they had half surrounded me, blocking me from continuing on to the student union.

“Why did you tear down our sign?” demanded the leader. The old familiar instinctual reaction of “fight or flight” surged through me. Four against one was not good odds but I decided to tell him anyway. They needed to know. This might just help them to avoid future harm – causing it and suffering it. I felt calm and unafraid. There were four of them but I was in charge of this situation.

Although I was still dreaming, I was fully aware of why I had torn it down – it had offended me. I recognised the implied threat in the wording. Superficially, it appeared to threaten Zionists but ultimately, it threatened all those who believed in freedom. True, it was not, “Juden Raus!” with brownshirted thugs smashing up Jewish shops. It was, however, heading that way. Whether they consciously realised it or not, the phrase “Zionist racists” was racist itself.

If the sign had simply said, “Racists not welcome here,” I would have read it and kept on walking. However, the phrase “Zionist racists” operated on a number of levels. Did it mean, “All Zionists are racists,” (as in the crude equation Zionism equals racism”)? Or was the poster simply stating “those Zionists who are racists not welcome here”? Well then, why put the word “Zionist” before the word racist? Was it really saying “Jews and those who support the state of Israel, to any degree, not welcome here”?

I realised that by tearing down another person’s sign, I was, ironically, defending liberty. Had I first seen them putting up the sign, I should have spoken to them and urged them to take it down. Why? Because their actions would cause a fight that they would have to lose. That sign was a blow at freedom of speech that would require even non-Zionists like myself to resist.

Red Bingham
25 Orange Grove,
East St Kilda
Victoria,
Ausatralia

So, the Palestinians have had their land occupied and colonized and they themselves shunted to one corner living in squalid conditions, and you tear down a poster of theirs appraising Zionism for what it is (or what it has done, anyway) and you say you're defending liberty? A dream worthy of the KKK.

...I was back at Monash University...

Monash was Australia's most highly regarded general and set up the State Electricity Commission. He was, of course, Jewish.

Australia's first Australian born Governor General was Isaac Issacs. It was either the Melbourne Club or the Victoria Club - then Melbourne's most prestigious clubs - who gave automatic membership to the GG but barred Jews. His promotion to the position of GG caused some angst for the club.

Melbourne has the world's highest number of holocaust survivors outside of Israel. Jewish people have contributed so much to us.

So, the Palestinians have had their land occupied and colonized and they themselves shunted to one corner living in squalid conditions, and you tear down a poster of theirs appraising Zionism for what it is (or what it has done, anyway) and you say you're defending liberty? A dream worthy of the KKK.
you need to read that post again.

you need to read that post again.

I certainly did. What's your take on it?

TAI is multiple entities?

Aren't we all?

I certainly did. What's your take on it?
it was a dream. the "thugs" werent palestinians. hes not a zionist. he is against censorship even of ideas that he doesnt follow himself.

Dear Ashmoria,
I tore the poster down in my dream. But if the wording of a poster offends me (because it's racist) I would tear it down in real life. If the poster said "Free Palestine" I would support it. Free the world for that matter. When I was astudent activist at Monash in the 1970s I repeated and heatedly argued for a Palestinian state.
The phrase "are not welcome" has historically apllied to Jews and Palestinians.
Hey Errinundra! I teach in Thornbury (and cycle there from St Kilda).

Shalom/Salaam!
Collectivity

Dear Ashmoria,
I tore the poster down in my dream. But if the wording of a poster offends me (because it's racist) I would tear it down in real life. If the poster said "Free Palestine" I would support it. Free the world for that matter. When I was astudent activist at Monash in the 1970s I repeated and heatedly argued for a Palestinian state.
The phrase "are not welcome" has historically apllied to Jews and Palestinians.
Hey Errinundra! I teach in Thornbury (and cycle there from St Kilda).

Shalom/Salaam!
Collectivity

I apologize. I mistook you, then.

Dear Ashmoria,
I tore the poster down in my dream. But if the wording of a poster offends me (because it's racist) I would tear it down in real life. If the poster said "Free Palestine" I would support it. Free the world for that matter. When I was astudent activist at Monash in the 1970s I repeated and heatedly argued for a Palestinian state.
The phrase "are not welcome" has historically apllied to Jews and Palestinians.
Hey Errinundra! I teach in Thornbury (and cycle there from St Kilda).

Shalom/Salaam!
Collectivity
aye

that is what i got out of your post.

you must be old.

I certainly did. What's your take on it?
My take on it was that he tore down the poster not so much because of the opinion it expressed but because of how deliberately antagonistic its language was. He tore it down to prevent hostility and conflict from arising from those "fighting words." He is not a zionist and did not do it to defend zionism. He did it for the sake of peace. EDIT: Oh, and to express an opinion against bigotry, of course.

It's also entirely possible that TAI is the Jewish equivalent of 17th century white man, who views all other racial types as not human, or somehow inferior.
No. Just no.


TAI is multiple entities?


Remember, TAi claims to be Jewish - chauvinistically so. It seems odd to me that such a proud Jew wouldn't bring to people's attention the nature of forgery of The Protocols. Their response to AS's comment is one of scepticism about their effectiveness but seems to accept their authenticity.

Further, TAi is obsessively keen to demonstrate the racial separateness of Jews. So much so, that readers might find it repulsive. If TAi wanted to create ill-will towards Jews they could hardly be more effective.

TAi's politics, as demonstrated in NS, are so right-wing that one might believe they were fascist. Their signature quotes Hitler, perhaps ironically, perhaps admiringly. Their avatar is a satirical image of the late 19th century / early 20th century Jewish business man, popular amongst fascists of that time.

I would contend the following:

1. TAi is not Jewish
2. TAi hates Jews
3. TAi is trying to engender resentment towards Jews.

This is my opinion. I cannot prove it. Similarly, TAi cannot prove they are Jewish. It's all very curious.
:D:D:D:D

Oh please, do continue! It's all very amusing! :p

Anyway, fiction aside, I am indeed Jewish and since you are a noob with a low post count (I'm assuming you havn't been around for long), I'll forgive you. There are other posters, notably those who posts in the Israel-related threads, who know I'm Jewish and that's good enough for me.

Though I really hope you continue to reject reality and continue with your ridiculous posts, because I swear to God, I actually laughed out loud when I read the above and got to your final conclusions. :D

I'd also highly recommend Will Eisner's fantastic graphic novel about the Protocols and the impact the hoax has had on subsequent history.

It's called The Plot, and you can read about it here (http://www.willeisner.com/books/plot.html).
Indeed. I've checked that out aswell and I strongly recommend it for anyone learning to find out the truth about the Russian propoganda known as the Protocols.

To be honest, I thought it was general knowledge that people knew the Protocols were Russian propoganda.... I had no idea it was even disputed.



But then again.....

*sigh* :rolleyes:

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/f/f1/KKK_holocaust_a_zionist_hoax.jpg

Indeed. I've checked that out aswell and I strongly recommend it for anyone learning to find out the truth about the Russian propoganda known as the Protocols.

To be honest, I thought it was general knowledge that people knew the Protocols were Russian propoganda.... I had no idea it was even disputed.

Shoot, it's not just propaganda, it's propaganda cannibalized from a bunch of anti-Napoleon satires from 50-60 years before its publication. But then again, people still believe in blood libels so it's not hard to believe they'd fall for this. The levels of ignorance would be downright embarrassing if they weren't so dangerous.

So, the Palestinians have had their land occupied and colonized and they themselves shunted to one corner living in squalid conditions, and you tear down a poster of theirs appraising Zionism for what it is (or what it has done, anyway) and you say you're defending liberty? A dream worthy of the KKK.

Intolerance of racism should be universal. Not "only this sort of racism isn't ok". He did specify that he wouldn't have been offended had it simply said "racists not welcome".

Aren't we all?

There's only one of you LG. I've made certain of that. Now where's that shovel...?

No. Just no.

Your anti-immigration, cultural isolation and racial purity stances are quite well known. You post them often enough.

I apologize. I mistook you, then.

Dear Fall,
:) Thanks, for the apology but you needn't have. In Australia, here, we had a Prime Minister who refused to apologise for the government's mistreatment of aborigines (for many decades, the various state governments had been removing aboriginal children from their families on the grounds that the kids needed to be taught how to be civilised. Some of these kids never saw their families again. It became a seriously big issue because the prime minister thought that an apology would open the floodgates to compensation. The prime minister also liked to sneer at historians who pointed out the state's complicity in what was cultural genocide. There was also some real genocide. Last year, Prime Minister Howard lost not only the election but his own seat. My schadenfreude was absolute!

Speaking of apologies, the Israelis and Palestinians have a shaky truce going on at the moment. The peace negotiations begun by outgoing Israeli PM Ehud Olmert and Palestine's Abu Abas might actually result in something more permanent. (Hence the prisoner swap). What do you think? Lasting peace in the Middle East in our lifetimes?
Like the recovering alcoholic - one day at a time......

If anyone thought I was actually saying that the Protocols had any basis in reality, I was being sarcastic.

If anyone thought I was actually saying that the Protocols had any basis in reality, I was being sarcastic.

The basic premise of the protocols, which unless I'm mistaken was supposed to be about what, Jewish elders wanting to rule the world, can't exactly be tossed out the window though. History is liberally sprinkled with rule the world nuts from all corners of the globe, and any number of backgrounds which should have taught them better. It's not like the Jewish people are the exception to the commonality of having homegrown nuts with delusions of grandeur.

No need for any conspiracy, just your run of the mill nut with the right circumstances. Probability states that one or more Jewish elder must have tried to make that a reality at one time of history or another, same like everyone else really.

...Hey Errinundra! I teach in Thornbury (and cycle there from St Kilda)...

Penders Grove? Spensley Street? Wales Street? Hutton Street? St Mary's? Holy Spirit? Distance Education Centre? Baltara? Croxton Special School? There's another specialist school over on the same campus as the Distance Education Centre - that one? Thornbury High?

There's a few about.

I live on Normanby Avenue between High Street and the railway line.

Yep! Distance Education!

OMG! I just realised that there was a section in Nation States for people who like to call themselves Nazis! Now that does test freedom of speech!
Grr! Don't like Nazis.

There's only one of you LG. I've made certain of that. Now where's that shovel...?

Did you? Or are we just getting better at hiding?

OMG! I just realised that there was a section in Nation States for people who like to call themselves Nazis! Now that does test freedom of speech!
Grr! Don't like Nazis.

But it's fun to watch their fragile little worlds crumble under the cold ruthless barrage of facts. :)

Lasting peace in the Middle East in our lifetimes?
Pff, I doubt it, too many extremists on both sides hold 'swing' power in each other's parliments. One can always hope though.

I for one like the idea of the one state solution (as unlikely as it is now).

Did you? Or are we just getting better at hiding?

You were. For a while, you were.

You were. For a while, you were.

When we figure out how to resist the call of the mud puddle, you'll never catch us!

It's the gold.
I know this pouch around your neck is a decoy. Give me the real one!

The secret of the Jew: They don't whine about vast and unprovable conspiracies against them while shaving their heads and listening to crappy forms of black metal.

When we figure out how to resist the call of the mud puddle, you'll never catch us!
My favorite one to throw at the Nazis is as follows:

Nazi: "Jews control Communism and tried to conquer the world with it."

TAI: "Seriously? Because I thought you just told me that Jews control Capitalism and try to conquer the world with it. Surely Jews couldn't/wouldn't control two opposing ideologies that were in direct conflict with each other, not to mention under the later years of Communism in Russia Jews were heavily persecuted and many tried to leave....."

Nazi: "Well Jews control Capitalism too"

TAI: "But...."

"Nazi: "Jews killed Jesus, ok! Who by the way, was never Jewish!"

:D

When we figure out how to resist the call of the mud puddle, you'll never catch us!

Then you'd stop being LG, and my work would be done.

I think very small minorities who are able to get a foothold in 'majority' society often do very well, especially if they're able to capitalise on the resources and opportunities they have. Provided, of course, they have resources and opportunities in the first place.

For example, although we only make up just over 10% of the population, Scots are disproportionally represented in government, the media and business in the UK. Currently, the Prime Minister, the Chancellor and the Secretary of State for Defence are Scottish, while Scots (albeit white Scots) are incredibly influential in both media and business.

I think very small minorities who are able to get a foothold in 'majority' society often do very well, especially if they're able to capitalise on the resources and opportunities they have. Provided, of course, they have resources and opportunities in the first place.

For example, although we only make up just over 10% of the population, Scots are disproportionally represented in government, the media and business in the UK. Currently, the Prime Minister, the Chancellor and the Secretary of State for Defence are Scottish, while Scots (albeit white Scots) are incredibly influential in both media and business.
I didn't know the Scots were Jewish. ;)

Doesn't matter. It's the natural instinct of any minority to help their own. So once one has set foot in the government, he invites and very preferentially treats others of his ethnicity.

I didn't know the Scots were Jewish. ;)
Och vey...

Then you'd stop being LG, and my work would be done.

Hmm. That's probably why we haven't figured it out yet.

*begins researching virtual mud*

The basic premise of the protocols, which unless I'm mistaken was supposed to be about what, Jewish elders wanting to rule the world, can't exactly be tossed out the window though. History is liberally sprinkled with rule the world nuts from all corners of the globe, and any number of backgrounds which should have taught them better. It's not like the Jewish people are the exception to the commonality of having homegrown nuts with delusions of grandeur.

No need for any conspiracy, just your run of the mill nut with the right circumstances. Probability states that one or more Jewish elder must have tried to make that a reality at one time of history or another, same like everyone else really.

OK, I'll accept the possibility that some Jewish elders might have tried to take over the world. But I reject the idea that they got anywhere.

Hmm. That's probably why we haven't figured it out yet.

*begins researching virtual mud*

You just need the mud alternative, mued.

You just need the mud alternative, mued.

Mud light, or "I can't believe it's not mud" - also known as Bud beer.

I didn't know the Scots were Jewish. ;)

They are not, they are Irish....runs and hides

Given the way Israel is being run and some of the things that go on there (like women being assaulted on buses for daring to sit in the front) I'd say that Jewish people are just as stupid as everybody else (on average).

I think very small minorities who are able to get a foothold in 'majority' society often do very well, especially if they're able to capitalise on the resources and opportunities they have. Provided, of course, they have resources and opportunities in the first place.

For example, although we only make up just over 10% of the population, Scots are disproportionally represented in government, the media and business in the UK. Currently, the Prime Minister, the Chancellor and the Secretary of State for Defence are Scottish, while Scots (albeit white Scots) are incredibly influential in both media and business.
Not to mention your dominance in the adhesive industry.
http://www.3m.com/brands/scotch/anniversary/images/Scotchad_Schooldaze.jpg

Given the way Israel is being run and some of the things that go on there (like women being assaulted on buses for daring to sit in the front) I'd say that Jewish people are just as stupid as everybody else (on average).

When did this happen? I don't have much experience with buses, but when I was riding them anyone could sit where-ever they wanted to.

OK, I'll accept the possibility that some Jewish elders might have tried to take over the world. But I reject the idea that they got anywhere.
Denial.

It's typical, no need to feel ashamed.

They are not, they are Irish....runs and hides

Roughly, a mixture of Irish and Picts, I believe. The addition of the Picts seems to have suppressed the Car Bombing Gene.

"...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"

- Mark Twain

Well? I'd like to know what people think. What is the secret of the Jew? Why is it that the above is true? Please, keep it civil and informative.

Indiana Jones must know, *nods* ;)

When did this happen? I don't have much experience with buses, but when I was riding them anyone could sit where-ever they wanted to.
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/olivesandthorns/entries/2008/08/18/men_in_front_women_in_back.html
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2007/04/israels_segrega

Ah yes, those harredim are at it again... Makes more sense now. Thanks for the links.

Not to mention your dominance in the adhesive industry.
"Hoot mon"??

It's 'hoots, mon'. Geez, if you're going to use a national stereotype to sell tape, might as well get it right.


They are not, they are Irish....runs and hides
Well, if you're going to work it out that way, we're actually Basques, and ultimately African.


Roughly, a mixture of Irish and Picts, I believe. The addition of the Picts seems to have suppressed the Car Bombing Gene.
Yet hasn't inhibited the Chibbing Factor.

Nor, on the West Coast at least, the Nonsense Sectarianism Chromosome.

Yet hasn't inhibited the Chibbing Factor.

Nor, on the West Coast at least, the Nonsense Sectarianism Chromosome.

It may even have enhanced the Stabbity Quotient....

Yep! Distance Education!

Is that you in the picture? Why, you're almost as old as me!

I work for the local MP, Fiona Richardson. You may have received an email from her (drafted by yours truly) in March or April re the teachers' campaign.

OK, I'll accept the possibility that some Jewish elders might have tried to take over the world. But I reject the idea that they got anywhere.

Who said anything about succeeding? Even Genghis only got as far as bits of Europe and Russia, and came to a halt at Japan. That's not to say that the Jewish elders who had world domination dreams didn't get anywhere, but they likely didn't get anywhere far, or at least further than anyone else has in history.

Okay, I skipped ahead...Twelve pages makey my head hurts

But...

In re: to the OP...

Has any one mentioned the salted-cured, meats?

That and the half-sours...That is the secret ;)

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/olivesandthorns/entries/2008/08/18/men_in_front_women_in_back.html
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2007/04/israels_segrega

You need an Israeli version of Rosa Parks. That's intolerable, putting Israeli treatment of women closer to the level of Saudi Arabia than a twenty-first century democracy (oh wait, I forgot, Israel is, for all intents and purposes, an Orthodox Jewish theocracy).

You need an Israeli version of Rosa Parks. That's intolerable, putting Israeli treatment of women closer to the level of Saudi Arabia than a twenty-first century democracy (oh wait, I forgot, Israel is, for all intents and purposes, an Orthodox Jewish theocracy).

Not that you'd find the likes of the theocrats and fundamentalists ever acknowledging it in public, while trumpeting the place as a shining beacon of modernity, civilization and equality.

Not that you'd find the likes of the theocrats and fundamentalists ever acknowledging it in public, while trumpeting the place as a shining beacon of modernity, civilization and equality.

Pointing out such vast contradictions and hypocrisies in Israel of course automatically makes you a Neo-Nazi Anti-Semite.

:p

I'd disagree with you guys, but considering the segregation is sanctioned by Egged, I can't.... This is part of the many reasons as to why I usually try to vote for the more anti-theocratic parties.

I'm considering voting for Meretz next election.

I'd disagree with you guys, but considering the segregation is sanctioned by Egged, I can't.... This is part of the many reasons as to why I usually try to vote for the more anti-theocratic parties.

I'm considering voting for Meretz next election.

The problem is that you don't have enough secular people or at least equality advocates in the voting bloc, while the political circles seem to be filled with almost nothing but scandals and feeding grounds for the vultures.

The problem is that you don't have enough secular people or at least equality advocates in the voting bloc, while the political circles seem to be filled with almost nothing but scandals and feeding grounds for the vultures.

Much like politics everywhere.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/olivesandthorns/entries/2008/08/18/men_in_front_women_in_back.html
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2007/04/israels_segrega

What's the orthodox view on women working?

What's the orthodox view on women working?

The ideal situation has the husband working, and the wife in charge of the house. That said, I know that a married Orthodox Jewish woman can hold a full-time job if she so desires - take the female teachers at my high school. One even taught both religious and secular studies.

What is the secret of the Jew?

Death ray eyebeams, but shhhhh, *whisper* it's a secret!

What is the secret of the Jew?

Death ray eyebeams, but shhhhh, *whisper* it's a secret!Eyebeams? Wouldn't that be penisbeams, otherwise they'd be cutting off their eyelids instead.

Jewish foreskin is amongst the deadliest substances known to man. Its one of the chief ingredients in the potions they've used for thousands of years to contaminate water supplies and drug the babies they kidnap to eat.

Much like politics everywhere.

Israel has a denser population, that mixes up fundamentalist crazies alongside normal people more than it does in places like the US, so the fundy's get to make their annoyance known with bigger impact than otherwise. It'd be like compressing say, the extremes of Texas, Utah, California and maybe a bit of Nevada into a single city.

Jewish foreskin is amongst the deadliest substances known to man. Its one of the chief ingredients in the potions they've used for thousands of years to contaminate water supplies and drug the babies they kidnap to eat.

We don't eat the babies, we sacrifice them to our god. Get your facts straight please.

We don't eat the babies, we sacrifice them to our god. Get your facts straight please.

Moses is a harsh master.....

You need an Israeli version of Rosa Parks. That's intolerable, putting Israeli treatment of women closer to the level of Saudi Arabia than a twenty-first century democracy (oh wait, I forgot, Israel is, for all intents and purposes, an Orthodox Jewish theocracy).

Not that you'd find the likes of the theocrats and fundamentalists ever acknowledging it in public, while trumpeting the place as a shining beacon of modernity, civilization and equality.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

Israel already had a woman leader by 1969. That's far earlier than most "progressive" European and other Western nations, many of whom havn't ad a woman leader yet.

Give me a break.:rolleyes:

The fundies are definitely more visible and powerful in Israel than in the US. After all, Israel is officially a Jewish state.

But the majority of Israelis are chiloni - secular Jews. The chilonim form the power base for Labor, Kadima, and Likud - Israel's big three parties. The fundies - known as charedim - are concentrated in Jerusalem. There are parts of Jerusalem where driving your car on Shabbat or wearing skimpy clothing will get rocks thrown at you.

There are parts of Jerusalem where driving your car on Shabbat or wearing skimpy clothing will get rocks thrown at you.

What's the Israeli police stance on throwing rocks back?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golda_Meir

Israel already had a woman leader by 1969. That's far earlier than most "progressive" European and other Western nations, many of whom havn't ad a woman leader yet.


Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with the fundamentalist Jewish nuts inhabiting Israel trying to impose a theocracy of their own and mostly getting away with it. Really a bog standard evasion. I'd give you 1/10.


Give me a break.:rolleyes:

*breaks your argument in half*

I aim to please.

There are parts of Jerusalem where driving your car on Shabbat or wearing skimpy clothing will get rocks thrown at you.

In the US we call that place Harlem and worse can happen for even less reasons.

For all I respect Mr. Twain I think he is vastly exaggerating in that quote.

"...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world's list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also way out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?"

- Mark Twain

Well? I'd like to know what people think. What is the secret of the Jew? Why is it that the above is true? Please, keep it civil and informative.

I think your apparent looking for explanations for "the Jew" is as offensive as if you were looking for explanations for "the black man" or "the asian." And knowing your kind of post flavor as I do, it wouldn't surprise me if you'd make such threads as well. The fact that you hold Jews apparently in a positive light doesn't excuse your racialist attitude which could just as easily, and sadly seems to just as frequently, hold others in a negative light.

Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with the fundamentalist Jewish nuts inhabiting Israel trying to impose a theocracy of their own and mostly getting away with it. Really a bog standard evasion. I'd give you 1/10.
It has everything to do with this, however, which I was more refering to (and that you agreed with) :

Anti-Social Darwinism:
That's intolerable, putting Israeli treatment of women closer to the level of Saudi Arabia than a twenty-first century democracy

That is so incorrect it almost makes me giggle, almost. How can Israeli women be close to the low level of Saudi women when Israel has already had a women, Golda Meir, lead them....something most Western nations havn't had yet?


I aim to please.
Then please, don't miss the point next time.

For all I respect Mr. Twain I think he is vastly exaggerating in that quote.
How so? With what exactly?
I think your apparent looking for explanations for "the Jew" is as offensive as if you were looking for explanations for "the black man" or "the asian." And knowing your kind of post flavor as I do, it wouldn't surprise me if you'd make such threads as well. The fact that you hold Jews apparently in a positive light doesn't excuse your racialist attitude which could just as easily, and sadly seems to just as frequently, hold others in a negative light.
Offensive? Seriously, grow thicker skin. That quote is hardly offensive, and even if it is, when read through today's PC lenses, like Fiddles said earlier, it was acceptable during the time Twain said it.

And even still....just because something is "offensive" to some doesn't mean it's incorrect or dissmissable. In fact, what kind of free speech is that, when things are cast under the rug if they happen to "offend" someone....?

Offensive? Seriously, grow thicker skin. That quote is hardly offensive

I didn't say the quote was offensive. If you're not going to actually read what people say, don't bother responding with your predictably smarmy nonsense.


And even still....just because something is "offensive" to some doesn't mean it's incorrect or dissmissable. In fact, what kind of free speech is that, when things are cast under the rug if they happen to "offend" someone....?

What the fuck does this have to do with free speech? Are you going to start whining about the PC censorship crew trying to keep you down now? Seems like you want to. Seems like you do every time you start an anti-Muslim thread too. I guess that's your goal no matter what the topic is.

It has everything to do with this, however, which I was more refering to (and that you agreed with) :

Anti-Social Darwinism:
That's intolerable, putting Israeli treatment of women closer to the level of Saudi Arabia than a twenty-first century democracy

It has nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing. One might as well point to one successful black man of 18th century Carolina and say there's no racial discrimination of blacks going on. Your example is nothing more than putting a band aid over a chainsaw wound and declaring an utter lack of a problem.

You fail.


That is so incorrect it almost makes me giggle, almost.


Because whenever something bad comes up regarding the Jewish fundamentalists, you claim it to be wrong, regardless of the evidence to the contrary. Again, a classic tactic seen amongst the likes of extremists and religious fundamentalists utterly enthralled with the idea of their supremacy.


How can Israeli women be close to the low level of Saudi women when Israel has already had a women, Golda Meir, lead them....something most Western nations havn't had yet?

Pakistan has had at the very least, one official woman leader before she was killed. It's still a theocratic shithole with horrible treatment for women. England has had female monarchs before, who did absolutely nothing for the average treatment of women as chattel. Your example is made of the same kind fail.


Then please, don't miss the point next time.

I don't miss points. You just put up strawmen and claim they are the new targets. I'd have expected better from a Jew. After all, aren't they supposed to be somehow superior? Oh wait. Maybe they aren't superior to us plebs after all. Maybe some of them have made it and are trumpeted as shining beacons, while others use that success to feed their petty little egos.

We do not have any secrets. We try to keep our covenants with God. I hope that at the end of time if the angels would make a history of our people, there would be more good than bad in it and that progress was made along the way. I think that is all we can really hope for from a people.

What's the Israeli police stance on throwing rocks back?

They only shoot if the rock throwers happen to be Palestinian.

How so? With what exactly?



Jewish influence in the world... it's vastly exaggerated.

NAS, Saudi Arabia's treatment of women is far worse than Israel. Israel's bad treatment of women is not institutionalised, rather it is only present in pockets with an extreme orthodox Jewish presence, these pockets are a small minority (unlike Saudi Arabia).

Jewish influence in the world... it's vastly exaggerated.

Jews are highly influential. 50% of science Nobel prize winners are Jews. 3 of the 4 most influential people of recent history (Einstein, Darwin, Marx, Freud) were Jews.

Jews are highly influential. 50% of science Nobel prize winners are Jews. 3 of the 4 most influential people of recent history (Einstein, Darwin, Marx, Freud) were Jews.

No kidding!?!?!

So are 50% of the oscar winners...why would that be?

3 of the..buawajjajajajaja :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

funny ...very very funny. Also cherrypicking

So are 50% of the oscar winners...why would that be?

Because Jews control Hollywood, and Jewish control of Hollywood further demonstrates the wealth and influence of Jews.

Because Jews control Hollywood, and Jewish control of Hollywood further demonstrates the wealth and influence of Jews.

The influence of Hollywood is vastly exaggerated

The influence of Hollywood is vastly exaggerated

No it's not. Hollywood companies like Viacom (owner of CBS), Disney (owner of ABC), News Corp (owner of FOX News), and NBC are all owned or operated by Jews. These mass-media entities influence many millions of people.

No it's not. Hollywood companies like Viacom (owner of CBS), Disney (owner of ABC), News Corp (owner of FOX News), and NBC are all owned or operated by Jews. These mass-media entities influence many millions of people.

To very little consequence.

To very little consequence.

The consequences are vast.

The consequences are vast.

The fact that they are Jews is irrelevant to everything. There is no such thing as a Jewish hive mind.

The consequences are vast.

for example?

What is the secret of the Jew?

I rolled a die and scored a four. OMFG what is the secret of the four? It must have an amazing secret!

The fact that they are Jews is irrelevant to everything. There is no such thing as a Jewish hive mind.

I never said there was a Jewish hive mind.

The fact that they are Jews is highly relevant though. After all this thread is a discussion about Jews' disproportionate wealth and influence compared to other groups of people.

Can we talk about the disproportionate wealth and influence of "white" people in the same tone?

for example?

Mass media completely transformed society. The spread of "sexual liberation", "civil rights", modern feminism - everything we assume for granted today - was hastened by mass media over the past decades, throughout the western world.

Can we talk about the disproportionate wealth and influence of "white" people in the same tone?

The disproportionate wealth and influence of Jews are significantly more disproportionate than the disproportionate wealth and influence of other white people. It's a statistics concept.

Mass media completely transformed society. The spread of "sexual liberation", "civil rights", modern feminism - everything we assume for granted today - was hastened by mass media over the past decades, throughout the western world.

And the fact that 'Jews control the media' has absolutely nothing, whatsoever, to do with that.

The disproportionate wealth and influence of Jews are significantly more disproportionate than the disproportionate wealth and influence of other white people. It's a statistics concept.

Have you got a source for this?

Mass media completely transformed society. The spread of "sexual liberation", "civil rights", modern feminism - everything we assume for granted today - was hastened by mass media over the past decades, throughout the western world.

Mass media completely transformed some societies, yes. But not as deeply as the mass media wants us to believe. They are after all just the media. The causes, the messages are what truly influenced and changed society. The message is NOT the medium. Fuck McLuhan!!!

Media's influence is vastly exaggerated

And the fact that 'Jews control the media' has absolutely nothing, whatsoever, to do with that.

Yeah it does. The people in charge (disproportionately Jews, sometimes exclusively Jews) of the media companies set in motion various business decisions that profoundly influenced society. Therefore the Jews were influential (my original point to Santiago). If it were Welshmen who controlled the media we'd be saying Welshmen are influential but that wasn't how history played out.

Mass media completely transformed some societies, yes. But not as deeply as the mass media wants us to believe. They are after all just the media. The causes, the messages are what truly influenced and changed society. The message is NOT the medium. Fuck McLuhan!!!

Media's influence is vastly exaggerated

The medium is just as important as the message. Without the medium, the message would never have reached some small town in Nebraska, and that small town in Nebraska would never be influenced or changed by the ideas generated in New York or Vienna or some place.

Or take for example the grisly lynchings and beatings of black people in the Deep South of the United States. Those were televised and broadcast on TV and described in newspapers in the 50s and 60s, and the people in charge of the media knew that if they didn't publicize these things, no one in a place like Bedford, Massachusetts would ever know about them, but if they did relentlessly publicize these things, many people all over the country and world will know - with consequences for all of American society.

Which brings us to another pertinent point- Jews disproportionately formulated and articulated the "messages". The 60s radical movements in America involved many prominent Jews like Betty Friedan.

Have you got a source for this?

For example 60% of American Jews have college degrees compared to maybe 25% of other whites. in America this is also a higher rate than in Asians, blacks, and Hispanics.

For example 60% of American Jews have college degrees compared to maybe 25% of other whites. in America this is also a higher rate than in Asians, blacks, and Hispanics.

That is not a source.

That is not a source.

Google it yourself. I'm too tired and apathetic right now to bother with Googling all the relevant citations and systematically compiling them in a list, when the only reward I can hope for is that uniquely postmodern sense of puny triumph mixed with profound pointlessness one gets when one successfully defends one's argument in a random internet forum debate.

Google it yourself. I'm too tired and apathetic right now to bother with Googling all the relevant citations and systematically compiling them in a list, when the only reward I can hope for is that uniquely postmodern sense of puny triumph mixed with profound pointlessness one gets when one successfully defends one's argument in a random internet forum debate.
I had given up on this thread, but since it came up again (I'd thought it was dead), I decided to see how bad it had gotten.

Boy, was I wrong! The above post is gold! So are the few that preceded it. Pure gold! :D Trite bigoted crap with claims of statistical support plus refusal to present such support topped off with a dollop of the promise that he would have won the argument if only he could have been bothered to try. Wow. Well done.

In the meantime, I, for one, have NEVER seen any evidence that Jews are proportionately richer or more powerful than any other group, globally. I have only ever seen claims that that is so. I have NEVER seen any evidence that Jews control, or even seek to control, cultural development in modern western nations. I have only seen claims that they do. I have NEVER seen any evidence that Jews are more associated with one kind of social/cultural viewpoint than another. I have only seen claims that they are. That lack of evidence is why I dismiss all such claims as bullshit.

This all got me thinking... could it be that the secret of the jews is The Secret...?

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Rhonda-Byrne/dp/1582701709

What's your view on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, TAi? Do you endorse them or repudiate them? Either way, why?

I disbelieve and ignore them, because they were fabricated by anti-Semites to make Jews look bad.

Now look what you've done, Zombie PotatoHeads. Now he'll use you as a justification for launching Act 2 of The Bigot's Opera. Thanks loads.

LOL at the term "Bigot's Opera"

but thats not secret.

I KNOW it's not secret; that's why I put the word "secret" in quotation marks.

Wait a second -- this just occurred to me: Are you saying that, if not for that real estate promise, the Jews would all have died by now?

Yes, i AM saying that, because God would have killed them off completely for their disobedience and their idolatry if He hadn't swore to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that their seed would inherit the land forever.

The Law allowed God to throw them out of the land temporarily if they disobeyed, but He had to bring them back eventually because of His promise to Abraham. (Malachi 3:6)

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were a hoax written by Russian anti-semites.

QFT. See my reply to Errinundera above.

Mud light, or "I can't believe it's not mud" - also known as Bud beer.

LMAO

We don't eat the babies, we sacrifice them to our god. Get your facts straight please.

If I remember correctly, didn't God punish your ancestors for doing that sort of thing? Or at least tell them NOT to do so? (Deuteronomy 12:30,31)

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Yes, i AM saying that, because God would have killed them off completely for their disobedience and their idolatry if He hadn't swore to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that their seed would inherit the land forever.

The Law allowed God to throw them out of the land temporarily if they disobeyed, but He had to bring them back eventually because of His promise to Abraham. (Malachi 3:6)
Does the "Law" state specifically what God's alternative to his deal with Abraham et al was? I mean, is there an older agreement that was superseded by the Abraham agreement that you could direct me to, which shows that God would have killed them off completely and for what reasons? Without that, you're just speculating as to what God would have or could have done in the absence of that promise. And in the absence of such an alternative plan, how do you explain your speculation? In other words, how does a promise to let them live on a particular piece of land imply that the alternative is total annihilation?

In other words, how does a promise to let them live on a particular piece of land imply that the alternative is total annihilation?

It sounds like a mobster's real estate deal on steroids when you think about it.

God: I'm about to make you an offer you can't refuse.
Jew: I've got my eye this nice place down in Tahiti
God: TOTAL ANNIHILATION!
Jew: But it's a lot safer than living in Israel these days
God: TOTAL ANNIHILATION!
Jew: And the rents cheaper too.
God: TOTAL ANNIHILATION!

NAS, Saudi Arabia's treatment of women is far worse than Israel. Israel's bad treatment of women is not institutionalised, rather it is only present in pockets with an extreme orthodox Jewish presence, these pockets are a small minority (unlike Saudi Arabia).

I'm not saying that Israel is a de facto theocracy. I'm saying the fundamentalist nuts of Israel are doing their level best to turn it into one, and the Israeli government seems to be complicit in allowing it to happen on a slow drip.

Google it yourself. I'm too tired and apathetic right now to bother with Googling all the relevant citations and systematically compiling them in a list, when the only reward I can hope for is that uniquely postmodern sense of puny triumph mixed with profound pointlessness one gets when one successfully defends one's argument in a random internet forum debate.

In other words, you have no source and are desperately trying to save face by doing something that makes you lose face.

"...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. [...] properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of..."
-- Mark Twain

It's all the anti-semites, who cant stop yakking about Jews...

If I remember correctly, didn't God punish your ancestors for doing that sort of thing? Or at least tell them NOT to do so? (Deuteronomy 12:30,31)

It's a joke, based on blood libels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel). I really don't care what some god allegedly punished my ancestors for.

What is the secret of the Italians?

I mean they have all kind of awesome artist and scientist and football players, and cooks and cars. Think about it. All the greatest artist are Italian. And they invented pizza. That sole action puts them WAYYYYY above the jews...and everybody else.

is it spaghetti?

What is the secret of the Italians?

I mean they have all kind of awesome artist and scientist and football players, and cooks and cars. Think about it. All the greatest artist are Italian. And they invented pizza. That sole action puts them WAYYYYY above the jews...and everybody else.

is it spaghetti?

No, it's living on a giant sized boot that is their secret. They have the only country in the world which is the right shape to give credence to the statement "My country can kick your country's ass".

Strong family bonds, deep cultural affiliation, traditional work ethic, and divine intervention.

No, it's living on a giant sized boot that is their secret. They have the only country in the world which is the right shape to give credence to the statement "My country can kick your country's ass".

I can't argue with such hilarious logic :)

What is the secret of the Italians?

I mean they have all kind of awesome artist and scientist and football players, and cooks and cars. Think about it. All the greatest artist are Italian. And they invented pizza. That sole action puts them WAYYYYY above the jews...and everybody else.

is it spaghetti?
Nah, they stole that from the Chinese.

No, wait, sorry, I misspoke. They didn't steal it. It fell off the back of a truck. Honest.

The real secret is these things:
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/romegiftshop_2013_36079723

Everybody knows that.

That secret, I mean.

No, it's living on a giant sized boot that is their secret. They have the only country in the world which is the right shape to give credence to the statement "My country can kick your country's ass".

Your mouth is full of wisdom... now everything is clear. :eek: :hail::hail::hail:

Nah, they stole that from the Chinese.

No, wait, sorry, I misspoke. They didn't steal it. It fell off the back of a truck. Honest.

The real secret is these things:
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/romegiftshop_2013_36079723

Everybody knows that.

That secret, I mean.

You want to sleep with the fish

Don't give me that bullshit about Jews and the world media.

What's the secret of Australians?

They constitute 0.3% of the world's population and one of them runs the world's media alone.

(They also one 14 gold medals at the Olympics but I'm sure the Brits here will have something to say about that.)

Matzoh balls. The secret of the Jews is Matzoh balls. Anyone who can thrive on properly prepared matzoh balls and gefilte fish can't be defeated by anyone or anything.

Yes, i AM saying that, because God would have killed them off completely for their disobedience and their idolatry if He hadn't swore to their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, that their seed would inherit the land forever.


Oh, Oh, Oh, Me, Me, Me!!!!!!

So does this mean that America really is a Christian state because we're doing the work of god to help the Jewish in Israel?

/bad joke(thread derail)

The real secret of the Jew is if you partially rip one of thier heads off, a giant Pez pops out.

Matzoh balls. The secret of the Jews is Matzoh balls. Anyone who can thrive on properly prepared matzoh balls and gefilte fish can't be defeated by anyone or anything.

But only old Jews eat gefilte fish. Seriously, I've never met anyone under 50 who actually enjoys that shit.