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Barack Obama's Speech.

Miami Shores
29-08-2008, 09:47
Barack Obama's speech. Great sounding speech by Obama. At times he sounds like a conservative republican. Yet he has a liberal record. Sounds like he is trying to be everything to everyone. Too many promises he cant keep.

I think this guy has really gone power mad (hungry). This guy sounds like he is to full of himself. Only he and he alone cares, or knows whats best. This is my own personal view. Many of you can agree or disagree. That is part of the dedemocratic process. He will do and say anything to win your votes. He is not the candidate of change he claims to be.

1. At times he sounds like a conservatve republican.
2. Obama is liberal, not a conservative republican.

3. Too many promises he cant keep.
4. Promises he can keep.

5. Obama is not the candidate of change he claims to be.
6. Obama is the candidate of change he claims to be.

7. I will vote for John McCain.
8. I will vote for Barack Obama.

9. I will vote for other. ( You may post your other on the ballot)

10. Sounds like he is trying to be everything to everyone.


Barack Obama's Speech :

To Chairman Dean and my great friend Dick Durbin; and to all my fellow citizens of this great nation;

With profound gratitude and great humility, I accept your nomination for the presidency of the United States.

Let me express my thanks to the historic slate of candidates who accompanied me on this journey, and especially the one who traveled the farthest — a champion for working Americans and an inspiration to my daughters and to yours — Hillary Rodham Clinton. To President Clinton, who last night made the case for change as only he can make it; to Ted Kennedy, who embodies the spirit of service; and to the next Vice President of the United States, Joe Biden, I thank you. I am grateful to finish this journey with one of the finest statesmen of our time, a man at ease with everyone from world leaders to the conductors on the Amtrak train he still takes home every night.

To the love of my life, our next First Lady, Michelle Obama, and to Sasha and Malia — I love you so much, and I'm so proud of all of you.

Four years ago, I stood before you and told you my story — of the brief union between a young man from Kenya and a young woman from Kansas who weren't well-off or well-known, but shared a belief that in America, their son could achieve whatever he put his mind to.

It is that promise that has always set this country apart — that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well.

That's why I stand here tonight. Because for two hundred and thirty two years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women — students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors — found the courage to keep it alive.

We meet at one of those defining moments — a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more.

Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and even more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay, and tuition that's beyond your reach.

These challenges are not all of government's making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed policies of George W. Bush.

America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.

This country is more decent than one where a woman in Ohio, on the brink of retirement, finds herself one illness away from disaster after a lifetime of hard work.

This country is more generous than one where a man in Indiana has to pack up the equipment he's worked on for twenty years and watch it shipped off to China, and then chokes up as he explains how he felt like a failure when he went home to tell his family the news.

We are more compassionate than a government that lets veterans sleep on our streets and families slide into poverty; that sits on its hands while a major American city drowns before our eyes.

Tonight, I say to the American people, to Democrats and Republicans and Independents across this great land — enough! This moment — this election — is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. Because next week, in Minnesota, the same party that brought you two terms of George Bush and Dick Cheney will ask this country for a third. And we are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look like the last eight. On November 4th, we must stand up and say: "Eight is enough."

Now let there be no doubt. The Republican nominee, John McCain, has worn the uniform of our country with bravery and distinction, and for that we owe him our gratitude and respect. And next week, we'll also hear about those occasions when he's broken with his party as evidence that he can deliver the change that we need.

But the record's clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush has been right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change.

The truth is, on issue after issue that would make a difference in your lives — on health care and education and the economy — Senator McCain has been anything but independent. He said that our economy has made "great progress" under this President. He said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. And when one of his chief advisors — the man who wrote his economic plan — was talking about the anxiety Americans are feeling, he said that we were just suffering from a "mental recession," and that we've become, and I quote, "a nation of whiners."

A nation of whiners? Tell that to the proud auto workers at a Michigan plant who, after they found out it was closing, kept showing up every day and working as hard as ever, because they knew there were people who counted on the brakes that they made. Tell that to the military families who shoulder their burdens silently as they watch their loved ones leave for their third or fourth or fifth tour of duty. These are not whiners. They work hard and give back and keep going without complaint. These are the Americans that I know.

Now, I don't believe that Senator McCain doesn't care what's going on in the lives of Americans. I just think he doesn't know. Why else would he define middle-class as someone making under five million dollars a year? How else could he propose hundreds of billions in tax breaks for big corporations and oil companies but not one penny of tax relief to more than one hundred million Americans? How else could he offer a health care plan that would actually tax people's benefits, or an education plan that would do nothing to help families pay for college, or a plan that would privatize Social Security and gamble your retirement?

It's not because John McCain doesn't care. It's because John McCain doesn't get it.

For over two decades, he's subscribed to that old, discredited Republican philosophy — give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down to everyone else. In Washington, they call this the Ownership Society, but what it really means is — you're on your own. Out of work? Tough luck. No health care? The market will fix it. Born into poverty? Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps — even if you don't have boots. You're on your own.

Well it's time for them to own their failure. It's time for us to change America.

You see, we Democrats have a very different measure of what constitutes progress in this country.

We measure progress by how many people can find a job that pays the mortgage; whether you can put a little extra money away at the end of each month so you can someday watch your child receive her college diploma. We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was President — when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush.

We measure the strength of our economy not by the number of billionaires we have or the profits of the Fortune 500, but by whether someone with a good idea can take a risk and start a new business, or whether the waitress who lives on tips can take a day off to look after a sick kid without losing her job — an economy that honors the dignity of work.

The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great — a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight.

Because in the faces of those young veterans who come back from Iraq and Afghanistan, I see my grandfather, who signed up after Pearl Harbor, marched in Patton's Army, and was rewarded by a grateful nation with the chance to go to college on the GI Bill.

In the face of that young student who sleeps just three hours before working the night shift, I think about my mom, who raised my sister and me on her own while she worked and earned her degree; who once turned to food stamps but was still able to send us to the best schools in the country with the help of student loans and scholarships.

When I listen to another worker tell me that his factory has shut down, I remember all those men and women on the South Side of Chicago who I stood by and fought for two decades ago after the local steel plant closed.

And when I hear a woman talk about the difficulties of starting her own business, I think about my grandmother, who worked her way up from the secretarial pool to middle-management, despite years of being passed over for promotions because she was a woman. She's the one who taught me about hard work. She's the one who put off buying a new car or a new dress for herself so that I could have a better life. She poured everything she had into me. And although she can no longer travel, I know that she's watching tonight, and that tonight is her night as well.

I don't know what kind of lives John McCain thinks that celebrities lead, but this has been mine. These are my heroes. Theirs are the stories that shaped me. And it is on their behalf that I intend to win this election and keep our promise alive as President of the United States.

What is that promise?

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves — protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America — the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.

That's the promise we need to keep. That's the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am President.

Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.

Unlike John McCain, I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.

I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow.

I will cut taxes — cut taxes — for 95% of all working families. Because in an economy like this, the last thing we should do is raise taxes on the middle-class.

And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East.

Washington's been talking about our oil addiction for the last thirty years, and John McCain has been there for twenty-six of them. In that time, he's said no to higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars, no to investments in renewable energy, no to renewable fuels. And today, we import triple the amount of oil as the day that Senator McCain took office.

Now is the time to end this addiction, and to understand that drilling is a stop-gap measure, not a long-term solution. Not even close.

As President, I will tap our natural gas reserves, invest in clean coal technology, and find ways to safely harness nuclear power. I'll help our auto companies re-tool, so that the fuel-efficient cars of the future are built right here in America. I'll make it easier for the American people to afford these new cars. And I'll invest 150 billion dollars over the next decade in affordable, renewable sources of energy — wind power and solar power and the next generation of biofuels; an investment that will lead to new industries and five million new jobs that pay well and can't ever be outsourced.

America, now is not the time for small plans.

Now is the time to finally meet our moral obligation to provide every child a world-class education, because it will take nothing less to compete in the global economy. Michelle and I are only here tonight because we were given a chance at an education. And I will not settle for an America where some kids don't have that chance. I'll invest in early childhood education. I'll recruit an army of new teachers, and pay them higher salaries and give them more support. And in exchange, I'll ask for higher standards and more accountability. And we will keep our promise to every young American — if you commit to serving your community or your country, we will make sure you can afford a college education.

Now is the time to finally keep the promise of affordable, accessible health care for every single American. If you have health care, my plan will lower your premiums. If you don't, you'll be able to get the same kind of coverage that members of Congress give themselves. And as someone who watched my mother argue with insurance companies while she lay in bed dying of cancer, I will make certain those companies stop discriminating against those who are sick and need care the most.

Now is the time to help families with paid sick days and better family leave, because nobody in America should have to choose between keeping their jobs and caring for a sick child or ailing parent.

Now is the time to change our bankruptcy laws, so that your pensions are protected ahead of CEO bonuses; and the time to protect Social Security for future generations.

And now is the time to keep the promise of equal pay for an equal day's work, because I want my daughters to have exactly the same opportunities as your sons.

Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime — by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less — because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy.

And Democrats, we must also admit that fulfilling America’s promise will require more than just money. It will require a renewed sense of responsibility from each of us to recover what John F. Kennedy called our "intellectual and moral strength." Yes, government must lead on energy independence, but each of us must do our part to make our homes and businesses more efficient. Yes, we must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime and despair. But we must also admit that programs alone can't replace parents; that government can't turn off the television and make a child do her homework; that fathers must take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need.

Individual responsibility and mutual responsibility — that's the essence of America's promise.

And just as we keep our keep our promise to the next generation here at home, so must we keep America's promise abroad. If John McCain wants to have a debate about who has the temperament, and judgment, to serve as the next Commander-in-Chief, that's a debate I'm ready to have.

For while Senator McCain was turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, I stood up and opposed this war, knowing that it would distract us from the real threats we face. When John McCain said we could just "muddle through" in Afghanistan, I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights. John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell — but he won't even go to the cave where he lives.

And today, as my call for a time frame to remove our troops from Iraq has been echoed by the Iraqi government and even the Bush Administration, even after we learned that Iraq has a $79 billion surplus while we're wallowing in deficits, John McCain stands alone in his stubborn refusal to end a misguided war.

That's not the judgment we need. That won't keep America safe. We need a President who can face the threats of the future, not keep grasping at the ideas of the past.

You don't defeat a terrorist network that operates in eighty countries by occupying Iraq. You don't protect Israel and deter Iran just by talking tough in Washington. You can't truly stand up for Georgia when you've strained our oldest alliances. If John McCain wants to follow George Bush with more tough talk and bad strategy, that is his choice — but it is not the change we need.

We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don't tell me that Democrats won't defend this country. Don't tell me that Democrats won't keep us safe. The Bush-McCain foreign policy has squandered the legacy that generations of Americans — Democrats and Republicans — have built, and we are here to restore that legacy.

As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

I will end this war in Iraq responsibly, and finish the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. I will rebuild our military to meet future conflicts. But I will also renew the tough, direct diplomacy that can prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and curb Russian aggression. I will build new partnerships to defeat the threats of the 21st century: terrorism and nuclear proliferation; poverty and genocide; climate change and disease. And I will restore our moral standing, so that America is once again that last, best hope for all who are called to the cause of freedom, who long for lives of peace, and who yearn for a better future.

These are the policies I will pursue. And in the weeks ahead, I look forward to debating them with John McCain.

But what I will not do is suggest that the Senator takes his positions for political purposes. Because one of the things that we have to change in our politics is the idea that people cannot disagree without challenging each other's character and patriotism.

The times are too serious, the stakes are too high for this same partisan playbook. So let us agree that patriotism has no party. I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain. The men and women who serve in our battlefields may be Democrats and Republicans and Independents, but they have fought together and bled together and some died together under the same proud flag. They have not served a Red America or a Blue America — they have served the United States of America.

So I've got news for you, John McCain. We all put our country first.

America, our work will not be easy. The challenges we face require tough choices, and Democrats as well as Republicans will need to cast off the worn-out ideas and politics of the past. For part of what has been lost these past eight years can't just be measured by lost wages or bigger trade deficits. What has also been lost is our sense of common purpose — our sense of higher purpose. And that's what we have to restore.

We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country. The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than for those plagued by gang-violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals. I know there are differences on same-sex marriage, but surely we can agree that our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve to visit the person they love in the hospital and to live lives free of discrimination. Passions fly on immigration, but I don't know anyone who benefits when a mother is separated from her infant child or an employer undercuts American wages by hiring illegal workers. This too is part of America's promise — the promise of a democracy where we can find the strength and grace to bridge divides and unite in common effort.

I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan Horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

You make a big election about small things.

And you know what — it's worked before. Because it feeds into the cynicism we all have about government. When Washington doesn't work, all its promises seem empty. If your hopes have been dashed again and again, then it's best to stop hoping, and settle for what you already know.

I get it. I realize that I am not the likeliest candidate for this office. I don't fit the typical pedigree, and I haven't spent my career in the halls of Washington.

But I stand before you tonight because all across America something is stirring. What the nay-sayers don’t understand is that this election has never been about me. It's been about you.

For eighteen long months, you have stood up, one by one, and said enough to the politics of the past. You understand that in this election, the greatest risk we can take is to try the same old politics with the same old players and expect a different result. You have shown what history teaches us — that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington. Change happens because the American people demand it — because they rise up and insist on new ideas and new leadership, a new politics for a new time.

America, this is one of those moments.

I believe that as hard as it will be, the change we need is coming. Because I've seen it. Because I've lived it. I've seen it in Illinois, when we provided health care to more children and moved more families from welfare to work. I've seen it in Washington, when we worked across party lines to open up government and hold lobbyists more accountable, to give better care for our veterans and keep nuclear weapons out of terrorist hands.

And I've seen it in this campaign. In the young people who voted for the first time, and in those who got involved again after a very long time. In the Republicans who never thought they'd pick up a Democratic ballot, but did. I've seen it in the workers who would rather cut their hours back a day than see their friends lose their jobs, in the soldiers who re-enlist after losing a limb, in the good neighbors who take a stranger in when a hurricane strikes and the floodwaters rise.

This country of ours has more wealth than any nation, but that's not what makes us rich. We have the most powerful military on Earth, but that's not what makes us strong. Our universities and our culture are the envy of the world, but that's not what keeps the world coming to our shores.

Instead, it is that American spirit — that American promise — that pushes us forward even when the path is uncertain; that binds us together in spite of our differences; that makes us fix our eye not on what is seen, but what is unseen, that better place around the bend.

That promise is our greatest inheritance. It's a promise I make to my daughters when I tuck them in at night, and a promise that you make to yours — a promise that has led immigrants to cross oceans and pioneers to travel west; a promise that led workers to picket lines, and women to reach for the ballot.

And it is that promise that forty five years ago today, brought Americans from every corner of this land to stand together on a Mall in Washington, before Lincoln's Memorial, and hear a young preacher from Georgia speak of his dream.

The men and women who gathered there could've heard many things. They could've heard words of anger and discord. They could've been told to succumb to the fear and frustration of so many dreams deferred.

But what the people heard instead — people of every creed and color, from every walk of life — is that in America, our destiny is inextricably linked. That together, our dreams can be one.

"We cannot walk alone," the preacher cried. "And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back."

America, we cannot turn back. Not with so much work to be done. Not with so many children to educate, and so many veterans to care for. Not with an economy to fix and cities to rebuild and farms to save. Not with so many families to protect and so many lives to mend. America, we cannot turn back. We cannot walk alone. At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise — that American promise — and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.

Thank you, God Bless you, and God Bless the United States of America.
Gauthier
29-08-2008, 09:54
Anyone else notice the irony of a warning about Obama's alleged "Will Do Anything-ism" from a certifiable Bushevik who wouldn't have voted for him anyways because of his obcession with revenge on Bill Clinton and the Democratic Party over letting Little Elian go back home to Daddy in Castroland?
Barringtonia
29-08-2008, 10:01
Once again we get this comment that Barack Obama sounds like he thinks he knows what's best.

Hello-o...

He's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

Of course he has ideas about what needs to be done, of course he has positions and of course he's trying to come across as presidential.

In case you missed the news - he's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

ⓒJon Stewart.
Cameroi
29-08-2008, 10:02
i stopped listening when he got to the part where he told the whopper that america is the only country he could have gotten as far as he has.

i'm still going to vote for him, because mccain isn't worth a fart in a wind storm, but he did sound more like politics as usual then any four score and seven, or miles to go before i sleep.

personally i could give a rat about the collective ego of any nation, or any group of people who want to become a nation. what i AM interested in, is the kind of world we ALL have to live in.

a transportation infrastructure that doesn't require everyone to indenture themselves to it, an energy infrastructure that doesn't involve tearing up the countryside, and a way of life, that doesn't involve demonizing everything that refuses to kiss the ass of little green pieces of paper, are what i'm concerned with, what i'd like to see.

i'm sorry i missed the rest of it, but when he started in with that collective ego of a nation patriotism crap, that was enough horsepuckie for me. thanks for posting the text of the rest of it which i will read.

but what iraq veterans against the war were saying, before they were cut of by the intro that was given for him, i thought was a lot more interesting and pertinent, then anything it was cut off for us to hear.
Skgorria
29-08-2008, 10:05
No joke option? I'm sad :(

More fun wishy-washy rhetoric. I'm still unconvinced of any change.
Miami Shores
29-08-2008, 10:17
Once again we get this comment that Barack Obama sounds like he thinks he knows what's best.

Hello-o...

He's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

Of course he has ideas about what needs to be done, of course he has positions and of course he's trying to come across as presidential.

In case you missed the news - he's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

ⓒJon Stewart.

Yes. My point is he attacks McCain and any opponent lke he is the only one with answers to alll problems. In the past he has stated McCain has no energy plans for the economy, no plans at all. Then goes on to say how he has all the answers.

McCain stated he would use an all of the above approach to energy production and use. Yet there is Obama saying McCain has no plans.

This was covered by CNN of all sources. I am sure many of you must have seen it. I did. And that is just one small exsample.
Miami Shores
29-08-2008, 10:36
When I say Obama at times sounds like a conservative republican. I mean like on taxes, the economy, and even foreign policy. Yet Obama is a liberal. Sometimes he sounds like John McCain with Obama rhetorick.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Barringtonia
Once again we get this comment that Barack Obama sounds like he thinks he knows what's best.

Hello-o...

He's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

Of course he has ideas about what needs to be done, of course he has positions and of course he's trying to come across as presidential.

In case you missed the news - he's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

ⓒJon Stewart.

Yes. My point is he attacks McCain and any opponent lke he is the only one with answers to alll problems. In the past he has stated McCain has no energy plans for the economy, no plans at all. Then goes on to say how he has all the answers.

McCain stated he would use an all of the above approach to energy production and use. Yet there is Obama saying McCain has no plans.

This was covered by CNN of all sources. I am sure many of you must have seen it. I did. And that is just one small exsample.
Today 09:05

Is late I have been staying up all night. Have a personal erand to run in the morning. As well as keep up with the political news of the day, John McCains VP Pick. More specific posts of what I mean later on. Your Thread Host OP, Miami Shores.
Cameroi
29-08-2008, 10:43
CNN and Fox "news" are both brainwashing organs of the corporate mafia that has usurped the political proccess. why on earth would i voluntary subject myself to their misinformation infotainment?

when i feel up to checking out the latest attrocities, i'll listen to democracy now, or some equivelant, which, expecting to hear, is the only reason i turned it (my local community indipendent radio station) on, to end up hearing the part of it that was as much as i was interested in hearing

___________________________

obama obama obama, your the next president of the united states,

if we want there to BE a united states four years from now,

but what the hell kind of a country are EITHER of those turkeys gonna leave us with?

i may yet be driven to vote, ghod help us, for nader.

america doesn't need its ego stroked, it needs its head pried out of that dark stinkey place.

i think its time for america to face up to the same realities that empires of the past, like the dominant nations of europe, have had to, and retire civily from the economic empire bussiness, before failing to do so, screws all of humanity out of the only planet we have the capability as yet, of living sustainably on.

________________________

that mccain ad i'm seeing in the middle of this page right now, says volumes about why i AM voting for obama. is it OK to meed uncondionally with ALL leaders, reguardless of their feelings toward one's own country? not only is it ok, it is absolutely manditorally neccessary in the real world we're all living in. i don't know what kind of a fantacy universe mccain is living in, but that kind of nonsense makes obama sound good, no matter how bad he tries to make himself sound, so that an appearantly retarded majority will vote for him.
The Dregruk Empire
29-08-2008, 12:02
Yes. My point is he attacks McCain and any opponent lke he is the only one with answers to alll problems. In the past he has stated McCain has no energy plans for the economy, no plans at all. Then goes on to say how he has all the answers.

McCain stated he would use an all of the above approach to energy production and use. Yet there is Obama saying McCain has no plans.

A politician attacking his competitor?! I'm shocked, SHOCKED! :rolleyes:
Miami Shores
29-08-2008, 12:09
A politician attacking his competitor?! I'm shocked, SHOCKED! :rolleyes:

My point is in the way Obama is attacking his competitor. I am not shocked.

I am still up, have not slept since wednesday night, I am an insomniac, part vampire too. I do have a personal erand to run in the morning. A few quick posts now, more specific posts later.
The Dregruk Empire
29-08-2008, 12:12
My point is in the way Obama is attacking his competitor. I am not shocked.

...

Riiiiiiiiight.
The Dregruk Empire
29-08-2008, 12:14
He is not the candidate of change he claims to be.

Grah, you say that in every fucking thread. Wrap it up in as much rhetoric and huge copy-paste posts as you like, but all you're doing is banging the same friggin' drum over and over again.
Miami Shores
29-08-2008, 12:25
QUOTE]Originally Posted by Miami Shores
He is not the candidate of change he claims to be. [/QUOTE]

Grah, you say that in every fucking thread. Wrap it up in as much rhetoric and huge copy-paste posts as you like, but all you're doing is banging the same friggin' drum over and over again.

Because Obama's campaign slogan is change you can believe in. Its just a very clever campaing slogan to get your votes. He is still a liberal, that now is trying to sound like a conservative republican on taxes, the econmy ect, ect., ect. With still liberal flavors.

For those who wish to vote for a liberal no problem. But the liberal candidate of change you can believe in, wont actually tell you that.

He attacks John McCain with adds on accepting money $ from lobbyists like He Obama has never accepted any $ from lobbyists Like he hasnt raised any $ from lobbyists during this election campaign. Like Obama has never done anything like just a regular politician unlike any of his opponents, change you can believe in, please, lol.

I give him is a very clever change you cant believe in.
Kamsaki-Myu
29-08-2008, 12:54
My point is in the way Obama is attacking his competitor. I am not shocked.
Neither am I. He's not attacking McCain for being in any way unamerican, for being old, for his race, for (what's not actually) his religion, for his family, for his personal relationships or anything of the sort of vitriol we've seen from the Democrat rebels and Republicans over his campaign. He's attacking McCain purely on the basis of faulty ideology and for representing the kind of political stance that he's trying to stand up to, and what more could you expect from someone standing up for election? I'd like to think, at least, that election is about one's stance on the issues facing the electorate, and that attention is securely focused on the difference in representation over those issues.

The speech was excellent. Whether or not he'll live up to what he's talking about remains to be seen, but at least he's saying the right things.
Cameroi
29-08-2008, 12:56
well now that i've read about half way through the rest of obama's speach, the part i hadn't listned to, i think maybe obama DOES "get it", and i'm begining to feel better again about the hopes and chances his presidency is going to bring us.

more of my run of the keyboard commentary when i've finished reading the rest of it.
Miami Shores
29-08-2008, 13:10
Originally Posted by Miami Shores
My point is in the way Obama is attacking his competitor. I am not shocked.

Neither am I. He's not attacking McCain for being in any way unamerican, for being old, for his race, for (what's not actually) his religion, for his family, for his personal relationships or anything of the sort of vitriol we've seen from the Democrat rebels and Republicans over his campaign. He's attacking McCain purely on the basis of faulty ideology and for representing the kind of political stance that he's trying to stand up to, and what more could you expect from someone standing up for election? I'd like to think, at least, that election is about one's stance on the issues facing the electorate, and that attention is securely focused on the difference in representation over those issues.

The speech was excellent. Whether or not he'll live up to what he's talking about remains to be seen, but at least he's saying the right things.

So when McCain is saying the right things. Obama used to say everyone knows McCain has no answers, dosent have an energy plan, a plan for the economy.

Now he says McCain cares but dosent get it, ect, ect, ect. Like he Obama is the only one that gets it, please, lol.
Pirated Corsairs
29-08-2008, 13:18
So when McCain is saying the right things. Obama used to say everyone knows McCain has no answers, dosent have an energy plan, a plan for the economy.

Now he says McCain cares but dosent get it, ect, ect, ect. Like he Obama is the only one that gets it, please, lol.

I'm beginning to suspect that you do not own a keyboard, and instead can only copy/paste to make posts. That's the only explanation for the fact that just about every single one of your posts is just a different combination of perhaps a dozen phrases and buzzwords.
Andaluciae
29-08-2008, 13:20
Fairly well done speech, it was a risky proposition, this stadium speech, very risky, and Obama pulled it off. He also delivered a fairly well-written speech, in which he managed to give some policy points without putting people to sleep (a la Al Gore, 2000), and provide the soaring rhetoric he's known for without deadening the brain. He managed to keep a good tempo, a good rhythm. Rise and fall, rise and fall throughout. Once again, we can see Obama is the best public orator we've had in a very, very long time in this country. Even Clinton and Reagan were TV speakers first, orators second. Not since the Kennedy's, and probably not even them, have we seen a speaker capable of such oratory success.
The Smiling Frogs
29-08-2008, 14:15
A wonderful speech! Full of unicorns and rainbows just like I expected.

Really though I have to give him props for his speaking ability and... well... the props end there. Amazing how the government is going to step in and send you to school, hire an army of teachers, stop you from falling into poverty, get you out of poverty if you are already there, create jobs, move to alternative fuels sources (strange that his plan is now a mirror of McCain's minus the drilling), retool the auto industry to produce "green" cars, give healthcare to everyone, micromanage insurance companies, fight a war in Pakistan (getting Osama), and basically making sure that no one in America, or the world, is unhappy. The best part is that this will not raise taxes on the middle class!

Truly Obama is the King of Kings!
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 14:23
Snip.

And once again we see TSF attacking a candidate on the basis of "he speaks too well!".

You're making it sound like you won't vote for McCain on policy, but due to that puke-green-walled speech he mumbled in June. "He speaks horribly! I MUST vote for him!".
The Smiling Frogs
29-08-2008, 14:43
And once again we see TSF attacking a candidate on the basis of "he speaks too well!".

You're making it sound like you won't vote for McCain on policy, but due to that puke-green-walled speech he mumbled in June. "He speaks horribly! I MUST vote for him!".

Where do you see that? The man is an awesome speaker. The difference between me and you, amongst so many others, is that I am attacking his pandering and lack of substance. I bear no ill will against the man for being ideologically stunted. This is America and he is allowed to be stunted. But he is just regurgitating the crap that Democrats wish to here while attempting to appear mainstream. Couple that with the majority of his message being "I haven't really accomplished anything but was able to write books about my "struggles"". You, like the Democrats, have no problem slugging down that Kool-Aid. Hope and Change!

So please excuse me for having the capacity to employ critical thinking. I am voting against Obama because I fear the man's policies and the plans he tries so hard not to tell us about. He will destroy our economy amongst other things. I don't hate Obama at all. Hate is not something I can dole out as freely as you do.

I can't wait to see what hidden meanings you can conjure out of this post!
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 14:50
Snip.

I can't wait to see what hidden meanings you can conjure out of this post!

Where did I say "hate" again? Or you're just flamebaiting?

And I'm wiser than to respond to your remark about "critical thinking" at this juncture, but I'll remind you that not supporting useless wars upon seeing how useless they are is a great indicator of critical thinking.
New Wallonochia
29-08-2008, 14:57
I am voting against Obama because I fear the man's policies and the plans he tries so hard not to tell us about.

Let me guess, you've got the inside scoop on his "real" motivations?
Ashmoria
29-08-2008, 14:59
it was a good speech well delivered.

now im eager to hear john mccains acceptance speech.
The Smiling Frogs
29-08-2008, 15:02
Where did I say "hate" again? Or you're just flamebaiting?

Oh geez. Not this tripe again. Don't you ever have an intelligent response other than to cry wolf?

Have a nice day H2.
The Smiling Frogs
29-08-2008, 15:03
Let me guess, you've got the inside scoop on his "real" motivations?

Yeah, it's called his website and his record. I know it is hard to find Obama's website and his actual history but give it a go.
New Wallonochia
29-08-2008, 15:04
Yeah, it's called his website and his record. I know it is hard to find Obama's website and his actual history but give it a go.

If he's putting it on his website he's not trying very hard to keep it from everyone.
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 15:05
Oh geez. Not this tripe again. Don't you ever have an intelligent response other than to cry wolf?

Have a nice day H2.

Do you have one to my question of when did I say "hate" in this thread, or do you not?
Pirated Corsairs
29-08-2008, 15:05
<snip>
So please excuse me for having the capacity to employ critical thinking. I am voting against Obama because I fear the man's policies and the plans he tries so hard not to tell us about. He will destroy our economy amongst other things. I don't hate Obama at all. Hate is not something I can dole out as freely as you do.

I can't wait to see what hidden meanings you can conjure out of this post!

Yeah. The past eight years have proven how well the Republicans manage the economy. We should give them four more so that they can continue the exact same economic policies that have worked remarkably well.

After all, our economy is so amazingly strong at the moment.
Oh, wait...
Lunatic Goofballs
29-08-2008, 15:07
If he's putting it on his website he's not trying very hard to keep it from everyone.

Well played. :)
Pirated Corsairs
29-08-2008, 15:07
If he's putting it on his website he's not trying very hard to keep it from everyone.

Stop applying reason to his argument! That's immoral and against True American Values(tm)!
CthulhuFhtagn
29-08-2008, 15:20
If he's putting it on his website he's not trying very hard to keep it from everyone.

His argument works if conservatives are all illiterate, but I don't think that's what he was going for.
German Nightmare
29-08-2008, 15:22
I'd vote for him.

Sadly, I can't.

But you could.

Yes you can!
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 15:24
His argument works if conservatives are all illiterate, but I don't think that's what he was going for.

And, like an angel without a sense of mercy, CF makes a bold move to try to win the thread...
Muravyets
29-08-2008, 15:32
I'd vote for him.

Sadly, I can't.

But you could.

Yes you can!
Don't worry. At least half of us will.

This seems to be the bedrock US voter split now, regardless of who's running or for which office: Half of Americans vote a moderate-progressive (seeming) ticket. 25-30% of American vote authoritarian. The rest waffle, hem-haw, enjoy 15 minutes of television glory as "swing voters," then usually fall on the just-barely-enough-rightwing side of the fence at the very last minute because, when it comes right down to it, they're still afraid of gays and swarthy people.



Gosh, that didn't sound at all bitter about the US political process, did it?
Verutus
29-08-2008, 15:34
It sounded remarkably accurate.
Cosmopoles
29-08-2008, 15:34
If he's putting it on his website he's not trying very hard to keep it from everyone.

Exactly. Not only does he have a hidden agenda, he's incompetent at managing it.
German Nightmare
29-08-2008, 15:37
Don't worry. At least half of us will.

This seems to be the bedrock US voter split now, regardless of who's running or for which office: Half of Americans vote a moderate-progressive (seeming) ticket. 25-30% of American vote authoritarian. The rest waffle, hem-haw, enjoy 15 minutes of television glory as "swing voters," then usually fall on the just-barely-enough-rightwing side of the fence at the very last minute because, when it comes right down to it, they're still afraid of gays and swarthy people.

Gosh, that didn't sound at all bitter about the US political process, did it?
It sounded remarkably accurate.
Sad but true.

I really hope that enough young voters and 1st voters will cast their vote for Obama. I will definitely declare the U.S. a lost cause should you guys elect McCain.
Maineiacs
29-08-2008, 15:40
Where do you see that? The man is an awesome speaker. The difference between me and you, amongst so many others, is that I am attacking his pandering and lack of substance. I bear no ill will against the man for being ideologically stunted. This is America and he is allowed to be stunted. But he is just regurgitating the crap that Democrats wish to here while attempting to appear mainstream. Couple that with the majority of his message being "I haven't really accomplished anything but was able to write books about my "struggles"". You, like the Democrats, have no problem slugging down that Kool-Aid. Hope and Change!

So please excuse me for having the capacity to employ critical thinking. I am voting against Obama because I fear the man's policies and the plans he tries so hard not to tell us about. He will destroy our economy amongst other things. I don't hate Obama at all. Hate is not something I can dole out as freely as you do.

I can't wait to see what hidden meanings you can conjure out of this post!

If you have the capacity for critical thought then why, pray tell, do you never use it? All I've ever seen you do is "regurgitate crap" as you put it, and make personal attacks. And what plans is he trying not to tell us about? Let me guess: to turn the country over to bin Laden? Or turn the country into a Communist dictatorship? :rolleyes:
German Nightmare
29-08-2008, 15:46
So please excuse me for having the capacity to employ critical thinking. I am voting against Obama because I fear the man's policies and the plans he tries so hard not to tell us about. He will destroy our economy amongst other things.
If you're not voting for Obama, does that mean you're not voting at all or will you be voting for McCain.

Because should the latter be the case, I sincerely doubt that you have a capacity to employ critical thinking. Just sayin'. No disrespect.
Muravyets
29-08-2008, 15:51
Sad but true.

I really hope that enough young voters and 1st voters will cast their vote for Obama. I will definitely declare the U.S. a lost cause should you guys elect McCain.
You won't be the only one. I swear, my stomach is a near-constant knot of dread, anticipating this election.
Kyronea
29-08-2008, 16:35
You won't be the only one. I swear, my stomach is a near-constant knot of dread, anticipating this election.

It just got worse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Muravyets
29-08-2008, 16:40
It just got worse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Great. *begins drinking heavily*
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 16:41
Great. *begins drinking heavily*

TO LIFE! TO LIFE! LECHAIM! *Sings*

(In a Fiddler mood today)
Agenda07
29-08-2008, 16:50
Yes. My point is he attacks McCain and any opponent lke he is the only one with answers to alll problems. In the past he has stated McCain has no energy plans for the economy, no plans at all. Then goes on to say how he has all the answers.

McCain stated he would use an all of the above approach to energy production and use. Yet there is Obama saying McCain has no plans.

This was covered by CNN of all sources. I am sure many of you must have seen it. I did. And that is just one small exsample.

Are you seriously criticising Obama for negative campaigning? McCain's done nothing but smear Obama: haven't you noticed all the 'Obama hasn't got the experience needed for anything' tripe, or the laughable claim that he had a foolproof plan for winning in Iraq but that he couldn't tell anyone yet (even, apparently, the Pentagon...)

Please be consistent.
Kyronea
29-08-2008, 16:54
Great. *begins drinking heavily*

I suggest whiskey sours. Poli says they're good, anyway, and Poli has good taste in everything.
German Nightmare
29-08-2008, 16:58
It just got worse:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
What is that?

The Republican Ticket:

http://modernsinglemomma.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/3-wallpapers-beauty-beast.jpg
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 16:59
What is that?

The Republican Ticket:

http://modernsinglemomma.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/3-wallpapers-beauty-beast.jpg

Nice! :D
Kyronea
29-08-2008, 17:11
What is that?

The Republican Ticket:

http://modernsinglemomma.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/3-wallpapers-beauty-beast.jpg

Now there's a YTMND in the making if I've ever seen one...
Muravyets
29-08-2008, 18:03
What is that?

The Republican Ticket:

http://modernsinglemomma.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/3-wallpapers-beauty-beast.jpg
Brilliant! :D That's the campaign poster!
Deus Malum
29-08-2008, 18:05
I suggest whiskey sours. Poli says they're good, anyway, and Poli has good taste in everything.

Screwdrivers are better. But then, I dislike whiskey in general, and LURVE vodka.
Vetalia
29-08-2008, 18:55
Screwdrivers are better. But then, I dislike whiskey in general, and LURVE vodka.

I love vodka too. I can drink a handle of it in two days and suffer no hangover.

Also, I though Obama's speech was technically good, but weak on content. It was something that was definitely interesting to listen to and well-presented (like Obama's other speeches...I may not agree with him, but he's a great speaker) but once it finished I didn't really get a whole lot out of it. It was sort of like rock candy; it tastes good when you eat it, but once you've finished you don't particularly recall its taste.
JuNii
29-08-2008, 19:06
just remember.

No matter who you believe in. wether it be Obama, McCain, or Nader.

at the heart of their being....

at the core buried behind all the promises...

they are all still politicians. :tongue:
Spammers of Oz
29-08-2008, 19:19
just remember.

No matter who you believe in. wether it be Obama, McCain, or Nader.

at the heart of their being....

at the core buried behind all the promises...

they are all still politicians. :tongue:

wins thread.
Carnivorous Lickers
29-08-2008, 19:26
He named all the top problems we face today and promised to fix all of them.
CthulhuFhtagn
29-08-2008, 20:37
He named all the top problems we face today and promised to fix all of them.

What a bastard.
Xenophobialand
29-08-2008, 21:01
Barack Obama's speech. Great sounding speech by Obama. At times he sounds like a conservative republican. Yet he has a liberal record. Sounds like he is trying to be everything to everyone. Too many promises he cant keep.

I think this guy has really gone power mad (hungry). This guy sounds like he is to full of himself. Only he and he alone cares, or knows whats best. This is my own personal view. Many of you can agree or disagree. That is part of the dedemocratic process. He will do and say anything to win your votes. He is not the candidate of change he claims to be.

1. At times he sounds like a conservatve republican.
2. Obama is liberal, not a conservative republican.

3. Too many promises he cant keep.
4. Promises he can keep.

5. Obama is not the candidate of change he claims to be.
6. Obama is the candidate of change he claims to be.


What does a conservative republican sound like, exactly, and why is it that a liberal cannot agree with a conservative on some issues?

You seem to think that liberalism is about doing whatever it is liberals like to do. You'd have to fill me in on what exactly that is. But if liberalism is about doing what is prudent, then I don't see why doing something a conservative would also advocate wouldn't in some cases be prudent and therefore a liberal thing to do as well.

I thought the speech was fairly good, if a bit meandering and laundry-list. He wanted to make the impression (which he did, to his credit) that he understood and could take care of a long variety of different issues, but you can't itemize those out and still keep the kind of taut focus you see in the more excellent Obama speeches or, to give perhaps an even better policy example, Jim Webb's response to the State of the Union address in 2005 or 2006. That being said, he finally got the Democrats out of their reflexive flight-or-fellate stance on national security and finally went after a Republican for the basic fact that engaging in foreign policy as if it's a dick-measuring contest isn't smart, and doesn't make us safer. It's the hallmark of a fucking retard who abides by an everything-I-need-to-know,-I-learned-in-10th-grade approach to life, and that's going to get our troops killed for no good purpose. For that point alone, Obama deserves to be lauded.
German Nightmare
29-08-2008, 22:04
Well, there y'all go!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/RepublicanTicket.jpg
Knights of Liberty
29-08-2008, 22:16
times he sounds like a conservative republican.

.......


I dont think you have any idea wht a conservative republican sounds like then.
Conserative Morality
29-08-2008, 22:39
If you're not voting for Obama, does that mean you're not voting at all or will you be voting for McCain.

Because should the latter be the case, I sincerely doubt that you have a capacity to employ critical thinking. Just sayin'. No disrespect.

1. There is a thing called "Third parties"

2. If Obama gets elected, I'll have lost all faith in our country's voters. If they choose McCain, I'll realize they all need serious help, but that there is still a sliver of hope.
Ashmoria
29-08-2008, 23:08
1. There is a thing called "Third parties"

2. If Obama gets elected, I'll have lost all faith in our country's voters. If they choose McCain, I'll realize they all need serious help, but that there is still a sliver of hope.
then you better get prepared for a loss of faith.
Muravyets
29-08-2008, 23:16
Well, there y'all go!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/RepublicanTicket.jpg
Sweet! :D Thanks! *emails it everybody*
Rubgish
29-08-2008, 23:26
Well, would you look at that! A politician saying what people want to hear! There was me thinking that they were meant to make decisions on what was best for a country rather than want the ignorant masses think is best! Ah well, shows i'd never make a politician.

As for me, i'd definately prefer Obama as president, purely because McCain would be so bad if for nothing else. At least with Obama as president i'm not worried that i'll wake up in the morning and America will have declared war on some random country and dragged the UK into it as well.
Heikoku 2
29-08-2008, 23:37
Sweet! :D Thanks! *emails it everybody*

There MUST be a way to put this on other venues - it's just too good.
Ashmoria
29-08-2008, 23:40
Well, would you look at that! A politician saying what people want to hear! There was me thinking that they were meant to make decisions on what was best for a country rather than want the ignorant masses think is best! Ah well, shows i'd never make a politician.

As for me, i'd definately prefer Obama as president, purely because McCain would be so bad if for nothing else. At least with Obama as president i'm not worried that i'll wake up in the morning and America will have declared war on some random country and dragged the UK into it as well.
if you think that that was saying what you want to hear you SHOULD vote for obama.

when mccain gives his speech next week he will not be saying the same things.
Maineiacs
30-08-2008, 00:25
Well, there y'all go!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/RepublicanTicket.jpg

Belle does kinda look like Palin, but the Beast has too much hair to be McCain.
Ryadn
30-08-2008, 06:49
Once again we get this comment that Barack Obama sounds like he thinks he knows what's best.

Hello-o...

He's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

Of course he has ideas about what needs to be done, of course he has positions and of course he's trying to come across as presidential.

In case you missed the news - he's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

ⓒJon Stewart.

Wait, so he should already have ideas and plans ready in case he's elected? That's preposterous. What other job in the world is like that? Nutty.

*pours over lesson plans*
German Nightmare
30-08-2008, 09:44
Sweet! :D Thanks! *emails it everybody*
That's the spirit! (*waits to receive an eMail over X connections with his own picture*)
There MUST be a way to put this on other venues - it's just too good.
Go ahead an spread it!
Belle does kinda look like Palin, but the Beast has too much hair to be McCain.
But the cheeks and arm posture match!
Muravyets
30-08-2008, 15:26
That's the spirit! (*waits to receive an eMail over X connections with his own picture*)

Go ahead an spread it!

But the cheeks and arm posture match!
The only problem with open distribution is that it uses a Disney image, and for infringing their copyright, Disney will rip the still beating heart out of your chest and eat it right before your eyes even as your life fades away and your attorney is still preparing the "fair use" brief. They will also take your soul and do bad things with it.

So, we have to be sneaky.
Gravlen
30-08-2008, 16:13
On topic (:eek2:) I would have to say that I liked and was impressed by the speech. This one had substance too!
Holiness and stuff
30-08-2008, 16:48
Once again we get this comment that Barack Obama sounds like he thinks he knows what's best.

Hello-o...

He's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

Of course he has ideas about what needs to be done, of course he has positions and of course he's trying to come across as presidential.

In case you missed the news - he's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

ⓒJon Stewart.

NO NO NO! You got the wrong Jon Stewart quote! Here's the one you wanted:

"When you take your clothes off, and then you put the same clothes back on 'That's not change, that's more of the same.'

When you give a clerk a $5 bill and he give you a different $5 bill back 'That's not change, that's more of the same!'

When you go to have a sex change operation and they sew on a second penis 'That's not change! That's more of the same!'"
JuNii
30-08-2008, 18:46
Belle does kinda look like Palin, but the Beast has too much hair to be McCain.
Hair club for men?
Rubgish
30-08-2008, 20:51
if you think that that was saying what you want to hear you SHOULD vote for obama.

when mccain gives his speech next week he will not be saying the same things.

How am I meant to vote for Obama? I don't even have a vote. I'm not American. What I am saying is that the majority of Americans believe that America is the greatest place on Earth, Obama basically said "I'm going to make America great again! YEAH!", so they will obviously think he is good. McCain will basically say the same thing, he'll just have a different way of how he wants to do it, so they will think he is good too. One speech doesn't have to be good and one doesn't have to be bad, they can both be good or bad. All i'm saying is that this was a good speech.
Gravlen
30-08-2008, 21:07
How am I meant to vote for Obama? I don't even have a vote. I'm not American.
Pfft! Are you really gonna let such a trifling little detail stop you?
Snafturi
30-08-2008, 21:10
Pfft! Are you really gonna let such a trifling little detail stop you?

Just register in Oregon. They let you vote as many times as you want. Even if you aren't a citizen. Even if you're dead.
Rubgish
30-08-2008, 21:40
Just register in Oregon. They let you vote as many times as you want. Even if you aren't a citizen. Even if you're dead.

Eh, that would mean I have to go to america. And to be honest, i'd rather spend the time watching paint dry if its all the same to you.
JuNii
30-08-2008, 21:53
Go ahead an spread it!
you might wanna get Disney's permission first.
German Nightmare
30-08-2008, 22:39
The only problem with open distribution is that it uses a Disney image, and for infringing their copyright, Disney will rip the still beating heart out of your chest and eat it right before your eyes even as your life fades away and your attorney is still preparing the "fair use" brief. They will also take your soul and do bad things with it.
So, we have to be sneaky.
I rather like my heart where it is, so pssst.
you might wanna get Disney's permission first.
I might not want Disney's attention at all?

Well, I regard it as a piece of art and political commentary.

Therefore, be sneaky, but I should be covered by fair dealing

Under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA), fair dealing is defined as "private study and criticism and review and news reporting" (s. 29, 30) Although not actually defined as a fair dealing, copyright in works is not infringed by incidental inclusion in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable program. New regulations came into force at the end of October 2003 which reduced the research fair dealing exception to non-commercial research only.

The CDPA permits individuals to make a single copy of a "reasonable proportion" of literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works for "research and private study" and "criticism, review and news reporting" ( s. 29, 30) under the terms of "fair dealing". The extent of "reasonable proportion" is not defined in the act.
JuNii
30-08-2008, 22:57
I rather like my heart where it is, so pssst.

I might not want Disney's attention at all?

Well, I regard it as a piece of art and political commentary.

Therefore, be sneaky, but I should be covered by fair dealing

Under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA), fair dealing is defined as "private study and criticism and review and news reporting" (s. 29, 30) Although not actually defined as a fair dealing, copyright in works is not infringed by incidental inclusion in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable program. New regulations came into force at the end of October 2003 which reduced the research fair dealing exception to non-commercial research only.

The CDPA permits individuals to make a single copy of a "reasonable proportion" of literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works for "research and private study" and "criticism, review and news reporting" ( s. 29, 30) under the terms of "fair dealing". The extent of "reasonable proportion" is not defined in the act.

Technically, that is not an incidental inclusion. the pooping republican elephant is an incidental inclusion. the entire graphic is not.

and it can be argued that it's not criticism. but hey, it's Disney's lawyers that will be doing the arguing.. not me I'm just saying that if they were willing to sue a preschool for the artwork their children did...
Heikoku 2
31-08-2008, 14:29
http://news.yahoo.com/edcartoons/billday;_ylt=Apn.mBzUd88zLWVWdTAlms0VvTYC

Ya gotta admit it's a cute drawing.
The Romulan Republic
01-09-2008, 02:56
Once again we get this comment that Barack Obama sounds like he thinks he knows what's best.

Hello-o...

He's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

Of course he has ideas about what needs to be done, of course he has positions and of course he's trying to come across as presidential.

In case you missed the news - he's RUNNING for the FUCKING presidency!

ⓒJon Stewart.


Damn right. First he's slammed for being inexperienced, so he acts Presidential. Then he gets slammed for acting like he's President. And what does McCain act like? A typical Republican, and a typical politician, resorting to cheap smears that rely on public ignorence and prejudices to hide his genneral inadaquicy.
Antilon
01-09-2008, 06:52
A word to the wise: "An amateur built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic."

Obama appeared very serious, as I noticed that he didn't smile if ever. That might not seem like much to anyone, but I appreciate his seriousness for the situation that the U.S. is in. However many flaws anyone can find in his speech, IMO Obama has the best ideas so far. Streamlining the federal budget is a start, and IMO is better than McCain's proposed tax cuts (presumably for those with over $5 million).
Being underage, it's frustrating that I can't vote and more so when people that can takeit for granted. I sometimes wish that we had set-up similar to the meritocracy of the Federation from Starship Troopers.
Nodinia
01-09-2008, 18:02
i stopped listening when he got to the part where he told the whopper that america is the only country he could have gotten as far as he has.

Cheese - Americans are addicted to it in more ways than one. In fairness, he'd be hung if he doesn't say that hes living in Gods chosen country, amongst the true chosen folk.

TO LIFE! TO LIFE! LECHAIM! *Sings*

(In a Fiddler mood today).

You feel like fleeing pogroms instigated by Tsar Bush?