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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7583775.stm

Well, not really Dead Kennedy's (and definitely no Jello Biafra), but the frontman of a leading Cuban punk rock band, Porno Para Ricardo, has been arrested by authorities for the crime of "Dangerousness", just as the band was about to record another album. The Cuban government has denied access to him.

Dangerousness, quite the crime it seems: "Contrary to communist morality". A sort of preemptive detention program, it would seem, for people whom the government thinks may rock the Castroite boat, just a little too much.

Sounds a bit like the Patriot Act but with a better name.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7583775.stm

Well, not really Dead Kennedy's (and definitely no Jello Biafra), but the frontman of a leading Cuban punk rock band, Porno Para Ricardo, has been arrested by authorities for the crime of "Dangerousness", just as the band was about to record another album. The Cuban government has denied access to him.

Dangerousness, quite the crime it seems: "Contrary to communist morality". A sort of preemptive detention program, it would seem, for people whom the government thinks may rock the Castroite boat, just a little too much.

So bad its almost New Labourite. Change that about communism bit to "Contrary to common morality" and many wouldn't be suprised.

How the hell do you get to be a "leading" Cuban rock band anyway? Do you get prevented from playing and recording more than anyone else...?

So bad its almost New Labourite. Change that about communism bit to "Contrary to common morality" and many wouldn't be suprised.

My thoughts exactly. Having laws in which you can arrest someone because the state perceives them as being capable of violating any sort of "morality" is ludicrous.

How the hell do you get to be a "leading" Cuban rock band anyway? Do you get prevented from playing and recording more than anyone else...?

Probably by playing in the underground scene. Rock groups throughout the former Warsaw Pact countries played the underground, and some even had a significant influence on their local politics.

Sounds a bit like the Patriot Act but with a better name.

I'd say the difference between the two is pretty obvious. The Patriot Act is a law-enforcement measure, that gives greater capabilities to police services to investigate for arrests on other crimes.

This seems to be a system by which people are merely arrested because they might commit a crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0_0BhX0RsE

Quite the modern beat combo!

....The Patriot Act is a law-enforcement measure, that gives greater capabilities to police services to investigate for arrests on other crimes.

Probably how the Cubans would describe their law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7583775.stm

Well, not really Dead Kennedy's (and definitely no Jello Biafra), but the frontman of a leading Cuban punk rock band, Porno Para Ricardo, has been arrested by authorities for the crime of "Dangerousness", just as the band was about to record another album. The Cuban government has denied access to him.

Dangerousness, quite the crime it seems: "Contrary to communist morality". A sort of preemptive detention program, it would seem, for people whom the government thinks may rock the Castroite boat, just a little too much.

But I read Andaras' excellent manifesto on how Cuba was a democracy. How could this be?

I've got four cd's of Ambassador 21, a digital hardcore band from Byelorussia. Despite the fact that the political leaders in that former Soviet republic are not too fond of freedom of speech, I've seen those electronic anarchists perform twice here in the Netherlands. It's pretty much a matter of staying under the 'radar' of the authorities.

The Cuban communists apparently prefer to keep popular culture under strict control, unlike their Chinese counterparts. Granted, in the People's Republic of China it's still very unwise to directly criticize the government, but there's a thriving underground music scene in the Chinese megacities.

Probably how the Cubans would describe their law.

Please supply me to the news story of rock bands being arrested under the Patriot Act. Then tell me where the Patriot Act has been used to enforce morality. Other than that, good job!

Please supply me to the news story of rock bands being arrested under the Patriot Act. Then tell me where the Patriot Act has been used to enforce morality. Other than that, good job!

Perhaps the US could let the Cubans use Guantanamo to hold some of these 'Dangerous' people. Still as long as they don't start rendering rock bands from other countries I suppose it isn't that similar.

damn anarchists, always acting contrary to communist morality

Perhaps the US could let the Cubans use Guantanamo to hold some of these 'Dangerous' people. Still as long as they don't start rendering rock bands from other countries I suppose it isn't that similar.

What does Guantanamo Bay have to do with the Patriot Act?

What does Guantanamo Bay have to do with the Patriot Act?

Absolutely nothing. I am not being serious.

I'd say the difference between the two is pretty obvious. The Patriot Act is a law-enforcement measure, that gives greater capabilities to police services to investigate for arrests on other crimes.

This seems to be a system by which people are merely arrested because they might commit a crime.

Doesn't the Patriot Act actually allow things like automatically flagging any transaction over a thousand dollars, so they can investigate to see if there might be a crime involved?

Not that different from a rule that allows you to be arrested because you might commit a crime. Both put the guilty verdict before the act.

Doesn't the Patriot Act actually allow things like automatically flagging any transaction over a thousand dollars, so they can investigate to see if there might be a crime involved?

Not that different from a rule that allows you to be arrested because you might commit a crime. Both put the guilty verdict before the act.

Not really all that similar, given that there is a significant difference between merely being automatically reviewed, and actually being sentenced to jail. There is no guilty verdict passed under the Patriot Act (or its close kin, RICO) for merely transacting funds. There is no comparison.

Not really all that similar, given that there is a significant difference between merely being automatically reviewed, and actually being sentenced to jail. There is no guilty verdict passed under the Patriot Act (or its close kin, RICO) for merely transacting funds. There is no comparison.

Well, of course, if you overlook the ways in which they are similar, they're nothing alike.

:rolleyes:

Beyond that, I've been unable to find a reference to the $1000 automatic inquiry limit. While the act deals heavily with concerns about money laundering and corrupt official practices, I could not find the provision that deals with automatic inquiry.

Well, of course, if you overlook the ways in which they are similar, they're nothing alike.

Do tell, please. Who has been sent to jail under the Patriot Act because they are the type who might commit a crime? What are the similarities?

When I was in high school I was told by a veteran local rocker that the sign you are a true punk band rather than a pop punk band is if you have been censored.

I think this might be the new threshold for punk........"have you been arrested for dangerousness? no? then you aren't punk"

Sounds about right.

In fact, who has been sent to jail because they are "in violation of capitalist/liberal/democratic/jesusgasm morality"?

Bet those dastardly Cubans allow indefinite detention of these rock singers based on secret evidence.

In fact, who has been sent to jail because they are "in violation of capitalist/liberal/democratic/jesusgasm morality"?

http://www.prisonactivist.org/pps+pows/pplist-alpha.shtml