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According to CNN, Madonna drew a comparison betwen John McCain and Adolf Hitler. This struck me as absolutely ridiculous. As an Independent, I can find aspects of each candidate to respect...does anyone care what Madonna thinks? She's made some great music, but the woman doesn't even live in the United States anymore (and supposedly speaks with a British accent, despite being from Michigan).

I've never cared what Madonna has thought. I think she wanted publicity because I don't think she is quite that stupid.

No. She's hot for her age though. SO I don't care what comes out her mouth.

And yes. I'm shallow.

... hmmm...

I respect Madonna for only ONE reason. She said she would leave America IF Bush was elected (and so did alot of 'stars' in Hollywood) and she was the ONLY one to honor her statement.

I hold her OPINION that she THINKS McCain is like Hitler. but I hold her OPINION to be that of someone who is from another country and no longer has solid ties to America.

... hmmm...

I respect Madonna for only ONE reason. She said she would leave America IF Bush was elected (and so did alot of 'stars' in Hollywood) and she was the ONLY one to honor her statement.

I hold her OPINION that she THINKS McCain is like Hitler. but I hold her OPINION to be that of someone who is from another country and no longer has solid ties to America.

Nice use of 'all caps!' :)

As an Independent, I can find aspects of each candidate to respect.

Difficult, is it not?

Does anyone care what Madonna thinks?
You, enough to make a thread about her.

You, enough to make a thread about her.

Maybe so, Chumbly, maybe so.

You, enough to make a thread about her.Maybe so, Chumbly, maybe so.
And me, enough to check a thread with her name in it, and to reply to you.

My first thought was "GODWIN'S LAW!"

But Madonna probably doesn't know what Godwin's Law is.

One word - NO

For God's sake, can't someone pick another dictator besides Hitler?

For God's sake, can't someone pick another dictator besides Hitler?

President Bush?

President Bush?

I thought Dick Cheney was the evil mastermind behind it all.

yea, that was stupid. Next.

I thought Dick Cheney was the evil mastermind behind it all.

Dick Cheney is a puppet for the Crab People.

Dick Cheney is a puppet for the Crab People.

Who are in alliance with the reverse vampires.

Dick Cheney is a puppet for the Crab People.

Who are secretly controlled by the Reptillians! God, it's all falling in to place now...time to create a devastating Geocities site to spread this truth to the world!

I don't, but my thought is quite simple: If it harms McCain, it's good, if it harms Obama (and this remark might), it's bad. Anything so the candidate that DOESN'T favor the war wins.

Dick Cheney is a puppet for the Crab People.

I thought there was a reason why I stocked up on butter...

Dick Cheney is a puppet for the Crab People.

Only the twastics know where the blue prism resides!

I don't, but my thought is quite simple: If it harms McCain, it's good, if it harms Obama (and this remark might), it's bad. Anything so the candidate that DOESN'T favor the war wins.

Generally, celebrities or anyone notable making dumbass comments will hurt Obama because people will associate their stupidity with him. After all, if someone blindingly ignorant is voting for him, what does it say about him as a candidate? Sort of like how McCain has to be careful not to let the religious-right loonies get too close to him, or else he'll be tarnished by whatever amazingly offensive things they decide to utter.

No, just No

Generally, celebrities or anyone notable making dumbass comments will hurt Obama because people will associate their stupidity with him. After all, if someone blindingly ignorant is voting for him, what does it say about him as a candidate? Sort of like how McCain has to be careful not to let the religious-right loonies get too close to him, or else he'll be tarnished by whatever amazingly offensive things they decide to utter.

You're assuming the average American (or Brazilian, for that matter, just to make a point that I'm not flaming) will BE ABLE TO SEE it as stupid.

No. I presume poll is in order?

Also, I'd like to draw a comparison between a Madonna and a singing bird, regarding both utility and intelligence.

You're assuming the average American (or Brazilian, for that matter, just to make a point that I'm not flaming) will BE ABLE TO SEE it as stupid.

If they don't, it still doesn't say much for potential Democratic voters...if that were really the case, I'd ruthlessly exploit that fact to paint them as nothing more than ignorant followers of the political ideas of Madonna and other celebrities.

Ultimately, it's far more likely to hurt Obama than McCain, although I'd say its effects are insignificant. It's not like she unloaded a racial slur or something.

As the greatest living person in the US or other place, she is the ultimate authority on who is is comparable to Hitler. Everybody in the US and other places, should do as Madonna says. Period.

Question: What are we supposed to do with a thread that starts with Godwin?

No. She's hot for her age though. SO I don't care what comes out her mouth.

And yes. I'm shallow.

...and you have a strange idea of what is hot.

... hmmm...

I respect Madonna for only ONE reason. She said she would leave America IF Bush was elected (and so did alot of 'stars' in Hollywood) and she was the ONLY one to honor her statement.

I hold her OPINION that she THINKS McCain is like Hitler. but I hold her OPINION to be that of someone who is from another country and no longer has solid ties to America.

Hopefully she will promise to leave Britain when Bush leaves office.

Ultimately, it's far more likely to hurt Obama than McCain, although I'd say its effects are insignificant. It's not like she unloaded a racial slur or something.

If someone that supports McCain calls Obama one publicly, it'll be like Christmas and Birthday coming together. I'd say there'd be an increase of about 2 points to Obama that moment. 20 if McCain himself dropped the N-bomb. :D

For God's sake, can't someone pick another dictator besides Hitler?

Honestly, my favorite one to use for that is Rafael Trujillo.

Honestly, my favorite one to use for that is Rafael Trujillo.

If you wanna sound knowledgeable, use Emílio Garrastazu Médici.

Courtesy of the forum's fave Brazilian. ;)

I suspect Madonna cares what Madonna thinks.

i care because madonna is so ignorant that her saying things like this is very funny and i like to be amused.

No. I really detest Mage.

I thought Dick Cheney was the evil mastermind behind it all. Yeah Cheney is the Emperor.

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Who cares what Madonna thinks, I mean she broke godwin's law with that comment.

If you wanna sound knowledgeable, use Emílio Garrastazu Médici.

Courtesy of the forum's fave Brazilian. ;)

He was Brazilian, then?

She's hot for her age though. SO I don't care what comes out her mouth.

Only what goes in aye?


Hmm, I must have been in Europe while McCain was rounding up all the jews, gypsies, slavs, homosexuals, and political dissidents. Glad Madonna is around to tell me what I missed.



EDIT: Christ, just when I thought Madonna's comment would be king stupid for the day, McCain's goons respond "But, it's not surprising that Barack Obama and his fellow celebrities stick together."


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/08/john-mccains-ca.html

Bravo guys. Leave it to McCain's rather incompetent campaign to fight a battle that really, really isnt worth fighting, and somehow try and say that Obama is in on it.

He was Brazilian, then?

Yes, he was.

Bravo guys. Leave it to McCain's rather incompetent campaign to fight a battle that really, really isnt worth fighting, and somehow try and say that Obama is in on it.

I think they shot themselves in the foot.

I HOPE they shoot themselves in the head.

Who are in alliance with the reverse vampires.

Don't forget about the RAND corporation

According to CNN,

This really happened, CNN isn't making up stories, so why tell us who told you?

As an Independent,
Lou dobbs isn't here, we really don't care that you're an independent, it doesn't make your opinions special or even all that more informed, nor does it give you 'political creed' or whatever think it does.

does anyone care what Madonna thinks?
A good number of people, I'd imagine, more so then the amount that care about what you think.


but the woman doesn't even live in the United States anymore (and supposedly speaks with a British accent, despite being from Michigan).So, what, people aren't allowed to care about there countries of birth after moving to another one in search of employment?

She is entitled to her opinion... same as we are. She's entitled to express it... same as we are. Whether her fame at being an actress/singer/author should give her any more credibility than we have is something people who hear her will have to decide.

Whenever I think of Madonna, I hear Bette Midler from a comedy routine in the eighties before the world really got to know Madonnna(right around 'Despertely Seeking Susan') saying of her; "The only thing that girl will ever do 'Like a Virgin' is have a baby in a stable."

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. :D

If I was a swing voter, it'd make me support McCain, presuming anything Madonna said to be automatically wrong.

If I was a swing voter, it'd make me support McCain, presuming anything Madonna said to be automatically wrong.

Just because hes not a Nazi doesnt make him a good guy or a good leader.

Just because hes not a Nazi doesnt make him a good guy or a good leader.

Oh, I know. I don't support him. I'm just saying if I had no strong opinion and all I had to go on is what Madonna said, I'd assume whoever she dislikes is the best.

... hmmm...

I respect Madonna for only ONE reason. She said she would leave America IF Bush was elected (and so did alot of 'stars' in Hollywood) and she was the ONLY one to honor her statement.

I hold her OPINION that she THINKS McCain is like Hitler. but I hold her OPINION to be that of someone who is from another Universe and no longer has solid ties to reality.

fixed.

fixed.
well, to be honest, Madonna has a firmer grasp on reality than say... Britney Spears.

According to CNN, Madonna drew a comparison betwen John McCain and Adolf Hitler. This struck me as absolutely ridiculous. As an Independent, I can find aspects of each candidate to respect...does anyone care what Madonna thinks? She's made some great music, but the woman doesn't even live in the United States anymore (and supposedly speaks with a British accent, despite being from Michigan).

Re: title, (Does anyone care what Maddonna thinks).
Reply: no.

Not since she sang "Like a virgin". I'm suprised she kept a straight face through that song.

well, to be honest, Madonna has a firmer grasp on reality than say... Britney Spears.
britney spears isnt a mccain supporter is she? didnt he just dis her in that "obama is too famous to vote for" ad?

She is entitled to her opinion... same as we are. She's entitled to express it... same as we are.

The fact that she hold said opinion despite it being in complete disregard of the facts is somewhat odd though, no?

The fact that she hold said opinion despite it being in complete disregard of the facts is somewhat odd though, no?

No.

There are people I've debated on this very forum, who still believe that Saddam was stockpiling WMDs, that there was just cause for war in Iraq, that it was legal to invade, and that Al Qaeda was firmly entrenched there.

People being able to completely disregard facts is hardly unusual.

Indeed, connecting the heir-apparent to the throne of the constitution-mangling, rights-redefining, Bush regime, with another Right Wing politician isn't even THAT much of a stretch.

britney spears isnt a mccain supporter is she? didnt he just dis her in that "obama is too famous to vote for" ad?

except that she didn't think of it. some other dudes did and convinced her to do it.

and does her 'ad' makes Britney spears actions before that ok? :rolleyes:

If someone that supports McCain calls Obama one publicly, it'll be like Christmas and Birthday coming together.

As someone whose birthday is very close to Christmas, I'll have you know that the combo actually sucks. A lot. "Combined" gifts always result in decreased overall awesomeness ("combined" gifts never add up to the total giftness of my sister's, whose birthday is on the other side of the year, gifts. Where the value of her gifts is a net 2, mine is always, always, always 1.5). The fact that throughout elementary school each month, save December, got a unique birthday party...with cake goddamit. December kids had to share their birthdays with the infernal "holiday" party.

Trust me, Christmas and Birthday combined = teh suck.

As someone whose birthday is very close to Christmas, I'll have you know that the combo actually sucks. A lot. "Combined" gifts always result in decreased overall awesomeness ("combined" gifts never add up to the total giftness of my sister's, whose birthday is on the other side of the year, gifts. Where the value of her gifts is a net 2, mine is always, always, always 1.5). The fact that throughout elementary school each month, save December, got a unique birthday party...with cake goddamit. December kids had to share their birthdays with the infernal "holiday" party.

Trust me, Christmas and Birthday combined = teh suck.

I was born 3 days after holiday and my birthday parties were AWESOME!!!!!!

maybe your parents don't really love you. :p

I was born 3 days after holiday and my birthday parties were AWESOME!!!!!!

maybe your parents don't really love you.

I'm the first born, I'm always the one who has to make the sacrifices in my family. I know my parents don't love me as much as those little baby sisters. Never mind that they're both really frickin' expensive and emotionally distant from the 'rents.

I'm the first born, I'm always the one who has to make the sacrifices in my family. I know my parents don't love me as much as those little baby sisters. Never mind that they're both really frickin' expensive and emotionally distant from the 'rents.

Okay! This is getting me really uncomfortable! :)

As someone whose birthday is very close to Christmas, I'll have you know that the combo actually sucks. A lot. "Combined" gifts always result in decreased overall awesomeness ("combined" gifts never add up to the total giftness of my sister's, whose birthday is on the other side of the year, gifts. Where the value of her gifts is a net 2, mine is always, always, always 1.5). The fact that throughout elementary school each month, save December, got a unique birthday party...with cake goddamit. December kids had to share their birthdays with the infernal "holiday" party.

Trust me, Christmas and Birthday combined = teh suck.

Uhm... Right. I'll rephrase and say "the day a goddess appears in my room and asks me to become her boyfriend".

Indeed, connecting the heir-apparent to the throne of the constitution-mangling, rights-redefining, Bush regime, with another Right Wing politician isn't even THAT much of a stretch.

Indeed. It's merely because of the shock value of even mentioning Hitler that this statement is getting any play at all.

To the OP, there is no such thing as a British accent. Britain is an island made up of 3 countries, and even in England, which I think is what you might, there is a gigantic variety of accents, some being more different from each other than Australian and Canadian, for example.

Uhm... Right. I'll rephrase and say "the day a goddess appears in my room and asks me to become her boyfriend".

err... you do know that Hel is also a goddess... :p

And Hecate.

Nope. As for the Hollywood elite most of them are pro communist lefties. And they support Obama, go figure, no figure. For the record, I am not calling Obama a communist. Yet he is a Liberal American leftie. But the candidate of change you can believe in, lol wont actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem that is their democratic right to do so.

err... you do know that Hel is also a goddess... :p

A NICE goddess. :p

Nope. As for the Hollywood elite most of them are pro communist lefties. And they support Obama, go figure, no figure. For the record, I am not calling Obama a communist. Yet he is a Liberal American leftie. But the candidate of change you can believe in, lol wont actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem that is their democratic right to do so.

Fascinating. I bet you wish you knew what communism means right now.

A NICE goddess. :p

well... it does depend mainly on your tastes... :D

Indeed. It's merely because of the shock value of even mentioning Hitler that this statement is getting any play at all.

You'd have thought we'd be over it, to be honest... Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, secret CIA camps... this is hardly the first time a Nazi-like reference has been levelled at the current breed of Republican politician.

Of course, it's possible that, since the recent few years of rights mangling perhaps more closely resembles Stalinist Russia, the lines have been a little blurred.

well... it does depend mainly on your tastes... :D

Well... I have more of a liking for fantasy ones than mythos ones.

A Chaotic Good goddess. Selune-style. :D

According to CNN, Madonna drew a comparison betwen John McCain and Adolf Hitler. This struck me as absolutely ridiculous. As an Independent, I can find aspects of each candidate to respect...does anyone care what Madonna thinks? She's made some great music, but the woman doesn't even live in the United States anymore (and supposedly speaks with a British accent, despite being from Michigan).

Michael Moore seems to care what Madonna says, but of course one wonders what that says about her.

If we had a royal system she'd be the queen of Michigan and all the Michiganders would Bow down to her, and I'm not kidding. She's a person with a good heart; she does a lot of good for other people. I really admire her.

Anyway, for some reason celebrities seem to think people care about their political opinions, and in fact some people do. Why? Who knows.

Nope. As for the Hollywood elite most of them are pro communist lefties. And they support Obama, go figure, no figure. For the record, I am not calling Obama a communist. Yet he is a Liberal American leftie. But the candidate of change you can believe in, lol wont actually tell you that. For those who wish to vote for a Liberal no problem that is their democratic right to do so.

Is it worth pointing our that 'American leftie' is a description somewhere slightly to the Right of centrist, by world standards?

I'm not sure I can think of a pro-communist lefty in hollywood, actually...

Is it worth pointing our that 'American leftie' is a description somewhere slightly to the Right of centrist, by world standards?

I'm not sure I can think of a pro-communist lefty in hollywood, actually...

Well yes... you have two political parties in the US. The right-wing party...and the republicans

Well... I have more of a liking for fantasy ones than mythos ones.

A Chaotic Good goddess. Selune-style. :D

Selune... as your girlfriend???

*Hires several divers to keep Heikoku freshly stocked with oysters*

you're gonna need it... :tongue:

Selune... as your girlfriend???

*Hires several divers to keep Heikoku freshly stocked with oysters*

you're gonna need it... :tongue:

I love oysters! :D

Madonna still has enough Clout to get CNN to report her views....:confused:

Man, i just lost a little more of what little respect i had left for CNN...:rolleyes:

You'd have thought we'd be over it, to be honest... Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, secret CIA camps... this is hardly the first time a Nazi-like reference has been levelled at the current breed of Republican politician.

Of course, it's possible that, since the recent few years of rights mangling perhaps more closely resembles Stalinist Russia, the lines have been a little blurred.

The thing is, if she had compared him to any other historical right-wing dictator, no one would even care what she said. But she had to compare him to Hitler, because that's the name that carries the most shock value today. The fact that she specifically compared him to Hitler, knowing what kind of a commotion that would cause, says to me that she was just trying to get her name in print. It's just an attention grab, IMO.

The thing is, if she had compared him to any other historical right-wing dictator, no one would even care what she said. But she had to compare him to Hitler, because that's the name that carries the most shock value today. The fact that she specifically compared him to Hitler, knowing what kind of a commotion that would cause, says to me that she was just trying to get her name in print. It's just an attention grab, IMO.

I don't know. She's far from the first person to level the 'nazi' accusation at the current regime. I doubt if it was a casual observation, and Madonna has never had to talk politics to get her name in print - I'd say that she's likely fairly genuine about a very real dislike of a continued Republican party presence (current style of Republican party), and making use of - as you say - shock value to get the best bang for her buck.

...does anyone care what Madonna thinks?

no. does anyone care what any celebrity thinks?

Anyway, for some reason celebrities seem to think people care about their political opinions, and in fact some people do. Why? Who knows.

It's downright odd when people care about what celebrities think. Conversely, it's very odd the way some people think that celebrities ought not to express their political opinions, simply because news outlets will then report them. (How famous does one have to be before it's impolite to express an opinion? Is there a minimum Q rating?)

It's downright odd when people care about what celebrities think. Conversely, it's very odd the way some people think that celebrities ought not to express their political opinions, simply because news outlets will then report them. (How famous does one have to be before it's impolite to express an opinion? Is there a minimum Q rating?)

I watched an interview once, where Janeane Garofalo was being interrogated over her views regarding the (at that time, yet to happen) US occupation of Iraq.

I believe it was a Fox programme, but I can't swear to it.

It's something like a ten minute segment, with the interviewer continuously attacking her, talking over her arguments, and basically denying every point she made. In the end, she asks why - and the interviewer says he's not going to 'let her get off lightly just because she's a celebrity'.

They invited her on, because she's a 'celebrity', and continuously attack her... to show she's not special? So - she's not being treated any different to... who? It was BECAUSE she's a celebrity she's there.

The mddia tries to create an us-and-them division between 'normal people' and celebrities. They use it to reinforce points they want to make,a nd to attack points they don't want to be made. The sad thing is, the ease with which people buy into it.

Oh - as it happens, history vindicated Janeane Garofalo, since she turned out to be right on just about every point. I wonder if there's a Fox retraction buried somewhere? I doubt it...

Madonna thinks?

Madonna thinks?

The title of the thread is assuming as much.

According to CNN, Madonna drew a comparison betwen John McCain and Adolf Hitler. This struck me as absolutely ridiculous. As an Independent, I can find aspects of each candidate to respect...does anyone care what Madonna thinks? She's made some great music, but the woman doesn't even live in the United States anymore (and supposedly speaks with a British accent, despite being from Michigan).

I was just looking on the yahoo news site, and there was something there about McCain's camp releasing an angry-ish response.

Apparently, McCain and/or his 'people' care what Madonna thinks.

No, not really.

A celebrity is one of the people I would listen too least about politics

Really what do they know? They live in a different life style where stuffing up can actually be profitable, they have people run around after them, probably currently know no one working on a low wage and are exceptionally rarely paid for their intelligence.

Im sure they completely understand the issues of another overseas nation :p

The thing is, if she had compared him to any other historical right-wing dictator, no one would even care what she said. But she had to compare him to Hitler, because that's the name that carries the most shock value today. The fact that she specifically compared him to Hitler, knowing what kind of a commotion that would cause, says to me that she was just trying to get her name in print. It's just an attention grab, IMO.

I agree.

I don't know. She's far from the first person to level the 'nazi' accusation at the current regime. I doubt if it was a casual observation, and Madonna has never had to talk politics to get her name in print - I'd say that she's likely fairly genuine about a very real dislike of a continued Republican party presence (current style of Republican party), and making use of - as you say - shock value to get the best bang for her buck.

Hitler is the quickest, easiest, and most shocking. Maybe she has mentioned others .. and since they aren't as shocking, we wouldn't know about it .. unless we followed her info. But if she was that knowledgeable .. she'd know better than bring up Hitler.

And yes. I'm shallow.

Always nice to see it confirmed.

88 replies on this thread would indicate that more-than-a-few people do actually care what she thinks.

whoops. Make that 89.

Hitler is the quickest, easiest, and most shocking. Maybe she has mentioned others .. and since they aren't as shocking, we wouldn't know about it .. unless we followed her info. But if she was that knowledgeable .. she'd know better than bring up Hitler.

If she were that knowledgeable of Internet forums, you mean...

I was just looking on the yahoo news site, and there was something there about McCain's camp releasing an angry-ish response.

Apparently, McCain and/or his 'people' care what Madonna thinks.

It was an attempt to tie Obama to Madonna. That's what McCain's "people" do.

88 replies on this thread would indicate that more-than-a-few people do actually care what she thinks.

whoops. Make that 89.

To be honest, I would be more interested in the opinion of Amy Winehouse, since anything she says could be her last words. While Madonna has recently celebrated her 50th birthday, it's currently not very probable that Winehouse will survive her twenties. All that drugs and alcohol have ravaged her appearance as well, it ain't a pretty sight.

Hitler is the quickest, easiest, and most shocking. Maybe she has mentioned others .. and since they aren't as shocking, we wouldn't know about it .. unless we followed her info. But if she was that knowledgeable .. she'd know better than bring up Hitler.

As far as I can tell, the 'reference' we're talking about is shots of McCain interspersed in a video, alongside pictures of destruction, pictures of Hitler, and pictures of Mugabe, etc.

I'm not sure - but it doesn't sound like she specifically came out and said 'McCain is like, totally, like Hitler'.

It was an attempt to tie Obama to Madonna. That's what McCain's "people" do.

Eh...?

Eh...?

The declaration of one of McCain's goons was an attempt to link Obama and the "celebrities" such as Madonna.

The declaration of one of McCain's goons was an attempt to link Obama and the "celebrities" such as Madonna.

Ah. So... you're agreeing?

Here. I found a reference (I assume this is what the Yahoo link went to)

"It's a disappointing and vulgar attack on John McCain, who has devoted his life to the cause of freedom and the fight against tyranny," McCain spokesperson Taylor Griffin told Usmagazine.com Monday.

"But, it's not surprising that Barack Obama and his fellow celebrities stick together," Griffin told Us.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/john-mccain-slams-madonna-for-comparing-him-to-hitler

So, yeah. McCain's camp respond to Madonna, and try to make out it's some kind of 'conspiracy'.

I thought it was cute that they talk about McCain's history of fighting tyranny and giving his life to freedom... and ignore the fact that he's been complicit in a regime that has abridged constitutional, and human, rights and actively worked to ensure freedoms were either removed or barred from being allowed.

Ah. So... you're agreeing?

Here. I found a reference (I assume this is what the Yahoo link went to)



http://www.usmagazine.com/news/john-mccain-slams-madonna-for-comparing-him-to-hitler

So, yeah. McCain's camp respond to Madonna, and try to make out it's some kind of 'conspiracy'.

I thought it was cute that they talk about McCain's history of fighting tyranny and giving his life to freedom... and ignore the fact that he's been complicit in a regime that has abridged constitutional, and human, rights and actively worked to ensure freedoms were either removed or barred from being allowed.

I'm agreeing with you, yes.