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I think some conservatives lean towards McCain because they believe he doesn't support amnesty and the family reunification thing that will bring 60 million people here...Well conservatives..YOU ARE WRONG! It doesn't matter who you vote for, both Obama and McCain support family reunification so any of you who are blind enough to think McCain doesn't...Here is an eye opener for ya!

In addition, the program will provide a system that is fair, humane, realistic, and ensures the rights of the individual and families will be protected.


Ensure that families are reunited.


Address in an expedited manner the status of individuals brought here illegally as minors through no will or intention of their own.


Respect Families: Obama introduced amendments to put greater emphasis on keeping immigrant families together.



So conservatives, looks like your republican canidate isn't too much different than Obama on some key issues you people seem to think he is. He said to you he got it, guess what? He lied. There is still that English thing, until evidence is found he is against that to. Why are you voting McCain again?

for the other issues that he is more conservative than obama on?

for the other issues that he is more conservative than obama on?



But do conservatives back him based on those? I am trying to clear up a misconception conservatives seem to have about him.

Yeah, but it's pretty sad if you vote solely on the issue of immigration. Fact is, McCain is by a long shot the better candidate from a conservative perspective; if you thought the egregious government spending and colossal deficits of the Bush administration were bad, just wait until Obama and the Democrats get their turn to spend like crazy. Of course, we'll probably get some nice new tax hikes to boot.

Moon Knight;13946893']I think some conservatives lean towards McCain because they believe he doesn't support amnesty and the family reunification thing that will bring 60 million people here...Well conservatives..YOU ARE WRONG! It doesn't matter who you vote for, both Obama and McCain support family reunification so any of you who are blind enough to think McCain doesn't...Here is an eye opener for ya!

And where do you get the numbers you're dreaming up?
Has McCain ever said differently about family reunification?
You do know that even if one allows family reunification there are ways of limiting the access to the country through that gateway, no?


Moon Knight;13946893']
So conservatives...
There are no conservatives.

mccain wont be able to "fix" immigration. he would have to have to cooperation of the democratic congress.

you should support him on the notion that he can block the worst excesses with his veto power and that he will put conservative judges onto the supreme court.

and because he will choose an excellent running mate for in case he dies in office.

McCain and Obama ARE DIFFERENT...little things like the war in Iraq, Abortion, Civil Unions, Tax Policy, Health Care, and Foreign Policy.

And where do you get the numbers you're dreaming up?
Has McCain ever said differently about family reunification?
You do know that even if one allows family reunification there are ways of limiting the access to the country through that gateway, no?


Dreaming up? Nice try there but no cigar. If you go back to not soon after he got the nod he made a speech in front a conservative alliance telling them different. Seems a lot fell for it. I am just clearing up a misconception they have about him.

And family reunification pretty much bypasses those limitations, of course conservatives are against it no matter what.


There are no conservatives.


Is Rush Limbaugh a computer program then?

McCain and Obama ARE DIFFERENT...little things like the war in Iraq, Abortion, Civil Unions, Tax Policy, Health Care, and Foreign Policy.



On those yes, but I am focusing on the immigration issue which many conservatives seem to have misconceptions about him.

didnt mccain change his mind about immigration?

Yeah, but it's pretty sad if you vote solely on the issue of immigration. Fact is, McCain is by a long shot the better candidate from a conservative perspective; if you thought the egregious government spending and colossal deficits of the Bush administration were bad, just wait until Obama and the Democrats get their turn to spend like crazy. Of course, we'll probably get some nice new tax hikes to boot.




I know about Obama. Sad or not people do lean towards him based on it. What else is there to say? Even if you think it's stupid, people still do it.

didnt mccain change his mind about immigration?



Conservatives seem to think he did...Well some did anyway. He tried to warm over conservatives on that issue as they hated for it. Why did some fall for it?

mccain wont be able to "fix" immigration. he would have to have to cooperation of the democratic congress.

you should support him on the notion that he can block the worst excesses with his veto power and that he will put conservative judges onto the supreme court.

and because he will choose an excellent running mate for in case he dies in office.




I guess it would help if I was a conservative wouldn't it? Did anybody think I was? I'm not.

didnt mccain change his mind about immigration?

Probably. He's already changed his mind on being a bipartisan and revoking Bush's tax cuts.

Moon Knight;13946958']I know about Obama. Sad or not people do lean towards him based on it. What else is there to say? Even if you think it's stupid, people still do it.

That is true. I think Obama should be worried that he's polling as poorly as he is; those kinds of numbers usually don't portend well for the election considering the sheer momentum against the Republicans going in to this election.

if you thought the egregious government spending and colossal deficits of the Bush administration were bad, just wait until Obama and the Democrats get their turn to spend like crazy.

On what basis, exactly, do you make this claim?

The last Democratic president we had was much more fiscally conservative than the last few Republican presidents.

here is john mccains policy on borders and immigration, what dont you like about it?

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm

That is true. I think Obama should be worried that he's polling as poorly as he is; those kinds of numbers usually don't portend well for the election considering the sheer momentum against the Republicans going in to this election.


He should be, there is no reason Obama shouldn't be up by 15 points. Everything is in his favor and McCain would have to overcome things nobody has ever overcome before, but yet he is having trouble. Can't but wonder what happened depending McCain is running a terrible campaign.

Moon Knight;13946938']Dreaming up? Nice try there but no cigar. If you go back to not soon after he got the nod he made a speech in front a conservative alliance telling them different. Seems a lot fell for it. I am just clearing up a misconception they have about him.

And family reunification pretty much bypasses those limitations, of course conservatives are against it no matter what.

And I'm still waiting for a link to explain the 60 million figure...


Moon Knight;13946938']
Is Rush Limbaugh a computer program then?
No, he's a drug induced dream.

here is john mccains policy on borders and immigration, what dont you like about it?

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/68db8157-d301-4e22-baf7-a70dd8416efa.htm



Umm. Depending that I quoted from there, wouldn't that assume I already read his stance?

And I'm still waiting for a link to explain the 60 million figure..

http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=32&menu_id=7&menu_item_id=25



Need time fore more, I had links but lost them after my computer crashed. But the number is sound and widely reported.

Moon Knight;13947008']http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=32&menu_id=7&menu_item_id=25

Need time fore more, I had links but lost them after my computer crashed. But the number is sound and widely reported.
Yeah, you need to find another link. I won't take the word of Californians For Population Stabilization

(CAFPS :tongue:)

Yeah, you need to find another link. I won't take the word of Californians For Population Stabilization

(CAFPS :tongue:)



CAPS. The numbers won't be too different. They are going based on the 12-20 million people here illegally right now, give them amnesty and they bring their families over. It could be more or less than 60 million, no real way of telling to be honest, it's all a guess.

"It doesn't matter who you vote for conservatives" reeks fail.

"It doesn't matter who you vote for conservatives" reeks fail.



No your posts reeks fail. Thanks for the well thought out reply. Also thanks for misunderstanding the whole point of this thread. :rolleyes:

Moon Knight;13947034']CAPS. The numbers won't be too different. They are going based on the 12-20 million people here illegally right now, give them amnesty and they bring their families over. It could be more or less than 60 million, no real way of telling to be honest, it's all a guess.

Even CAFPS doesn't say what you said though:
If current legal and illegal immigration trends continue, an estimated 60 million people will call California home by 2050.

Not that "the family reunification thing ... will bring 60 million people here" - as was your claim.

And now you say it's all a guess. Hmm... Interesting.

Even CAFPS doesn't say what you said though:


Not that "the family reunification thing ... will bring 60 million people here" - as was your claim.

And now you say it's all a guess. Hmm... Interesting.



Umm....It is all a guess. Gotta read between the lines better, that number was always an esitmate. If you look at immigration trends it's a sound number.

Moon Knight;13947089']Umm....It is all a guess. Gotta read between the lines better, that number was always an esitmate. If you look at immigration trends it's a sound number.

I want my cigar.

I'm a right-leaning moderate, and I'm voting for McCain because I can't stand Obama.

And I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are lots of people like me who will be voting for McCain regardless of his immigration stance.

As for the poll numbers, they don't really matter. Like, at all. There are two and a half months (I think) before the election. I'll start paying attention to polls in late october.

I'm not voting for McCain, I'm voting against Obama. I'd vote for whoever had the best chance of beating Obama, regardless of his stance on immigration, his race, his/her/its gender, religion, sexual orientation, species or degree of actual existence. The primary reason for voting McCain is to keep Barack Obama as far away from the White House as possible.