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What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

Id fight with whomever i agreed with on the particular issue, regardless of party affiliation...

So, business as usual i suppose...

As neither a liberal (as defined round these parts) or a conservative I'd probably be mostly bemused.

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

... are you saying that NSG is a Liberal Circle Jerk?

I say this forum would reach a balance and might actually be good.

of course the Mods will be working their collective @$$es off...

... are you saying that NSG is a Liberal Circle Jerk?

I say this forum would reach a balance and might actually be good.

of course the Mods will be working their collective @$$es off...

The majority is, thats how circle jerks work by internet nature, they become the dominant posting/social force on the forum and the minority either keep quiet or get shunned. So while NSG isn't a circle jerk the majority has to be because majorities form them when on a forum.

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

I would proposition them one by one in an airport bathroom and record the whole thing. :)

is there some way you can make this hypothetical happen?

NSG would carry on as normal, barrage of trolls or no barrage of trolls.

the minority either keep quiet or get shunned.

Then explain how you're still here.

I think everyone wins, because it's a circle jerk. The only person who doesn't win in a circle jerk is the poor guy with ED.

is there some way you can make this hypothetical happen?

I doubt it. This situation is hypothetical because the probability of something like this happening is REEEAAALLLY slim. If it wasn't a fanatical fundie who decided that he needed to save NSG posters' souls would have had a mob of his buddies preaching here or some other zealous group would have given it a go but so far none of that has happened. The closest thing was that time NSG declared war on II as a joke but I don't think that counts ;)

Then explain how you're still here.

Sheer spite?

I think everyone wins, because it's a circle jerk. The only person who doesn't win in a circle jerk is the poor guy with ED.

you PROMISED you wouldn't talk about that!

I might leave, actually. I come here to have fun. At some point, reading infuriating crap stops being fun.

The minority keep quiet or get shunned

Then explain how you're still here.

Hmmmm I think I already did, you can figure it out. ;)

I doubt it. This situation is hypothetical because the probability of something like this happening is REEEAAALLLY slim. If it wasn't a fanatical fundie who decided that he needed to save NSG posters' souls would have had a mob of his buddies preaching here or some other zealous group would have given it a go but so far none of that has happened. The closest thing was that time NSG declared war on II as a joke but I don't think that counts ;)
awwww.

way back when i knew some people who had a conservative forum and wanted to lure "liberals" in so they could be shredded.

it became obvious after discussing it for a while that they were "rush limbaugh conservatives" and were hoping to evicerate people with strawmen and ad hominems.

i didnt join.

Hmmmm I think I already did, you can figure it out. ;)

by the very nature of your ability to post here it seems nobody is repressing you.

So no, I don't think you actually did. You might like ot believe in some imaginary persecution complex as the reason you're not taken seriously, but the reality is that this stems not from your viewpoints, but your apparent total inability to express them in a rational, intelligent way, and instead a steadfast belligerent compulsion to spam the forum with stuff like...well...this.

I might leave, actually. I come here to have fun. At some point, reading infuriating crap stops being fun.

That's when you realize it's fun to make other people read infuriating crap so you can laugh at them.

Hmmmm I think I already did, you can figure it out. ;)

Oh noes, he knows we're shunning him! :rolleyes:

I might leave, actually. I come here to have fun. At some point, reading infuriating crap stops being fun.

Yeah, but its so addicting...Keeps dragging me back kicking and screaming, lol...

by the very nature of your ability to post here it seems nobody is repressing you.

So no, I don't think you actually did. You might like ot believe in some imaginary persecution complex as the reason you're not taken seriously, but the reality is that this stems not from your viewpoints, but your apparent total inability to express them in a rational, intelligent way, and instead a steadfast belligerent compulsion to spam the forum with stuff like...well...this.

It's posts like this that would send an ordinary minority poster into the shadows. Note that the way you worded your post was designed to discredit me by attacking the motivation behind this thread and my ability to post and communicate. This is exactly how a member of a circle jerk would attempt to silence or repress a targeted individual.

Oh noes, he knows we're shunning him! :rolleyes:

BWAHAHAHAHH MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :p

BOW DOWN! I COMMAND YOU!

Note that the way you worded your post was designed to discredit me by attacking the motivation behind this thread and my ability to post and communicate. This is exactly how a member of a circle jerk would attempt to silence or repress a targeted individual.

imaginary persecution complex

^ this.

^ this.

I dunno. SL's got a point, if only because you walked into it: Minority views are persecuted here; You persecuted SL for expressing the view that minority views are persecuted.

I dunno. SL's got a point, if only because you walked into it: Minority views are persecuted here; You persecuted SL for expressing the view that minority views are persecuted.

Persecution is the systematic, group wide repression. I have no authority to repress him. I can't control what he says, I can't prevent him from saying it, I can't issue any punishments for doing so. I, like him, am a poster. Even if the majority of posters here lean a certain way, politically, we can't persecute anyone.

We can call their ideas silly, their ideas nonsensical, and their intelligence questionable, but despite what some might think, having someone be mean to you isn't persecution. You are not persecuted against because someone you disagree with tells you that he disagrees with you.

^ this.

Yup, your doing it again. This is a common move I've seen here, making the target look like he/she has an imaginary persecution complex that way they can discredit the target.

Yup, your doing it again. This is a common move I've seen here, making the target look like he/she has an imaginary persecution complex that way they can discredit the target.

What's that old expression, if the whole world calls you crazy, what's the more likely explanation, that they're wrong, or that you're crazy?

It's posts like this that would send an ordinary minority poster into the shadows. Note that the way you worded your post was designed to discredit me by attacking the motivation behind this thread and my ability to post and communicate. This is exactly how a member of a circle jerk would attempt to silence or repress a targeted individual.

"YOU'RE ALL JUST PART OF THE EVIL ILLUM....CIRCLE JERK!"

Oh boy, he sure figured our plans out.

What's that old expression, if the whole world calls you crazy, what's the more likely explanation, that they're wrong, or that you're crazy?
oh did someone besides you call SL out?

"YOU'RE ALL JUST PART OF THE EVIL ILLUM....CIRCLE JERK!"

Oh boy, he sure figured our plans out.

Yup...I found out about those bunkers with alien embryos in them, that moon base and that preserved hitler head that one of you is using as a paperweight. :p

oh did someone besides you call SL out?

then if it's just me, there's certainly no forum wide persecution to repress him, is there?

Wai2calculate%

210% of the vote in atm,

I think we should make all the conservatives wear chastity belts, because conservatives are like toasters, and liberals like to have the government spy on children's homework. Then we could beat them all with the mighty power of psychological research! Yay!

then if it's just me, there's certainly no forum wide persecution to repress him, is there?

I think we should make all the conservatives wear chastity belts, because conservatives are like toasters, and liberals like to have the government spy on children's homework. Then we could beat them all with the mighty power of psychological research! Yay!

That makes 2

That makes 2

help, help, he's being repressed!

Yup...I found out about those bunkers with alien embryos in them, that moon base and that preserved hitler head that one of you is using as a paperweight. :p
No, those are LG's.
Wai2calculate%

210% of the vote in atm,
Way2recognise that it's a multiple choice poll.
That makes 2
You need a new sarcasm-o-meter.
help, help, he's being repressed!

*comes to see the violence inherent in the system*

Hey Polly did you know that when I was 4 my sister convinced me that Barney was an evil flesh eating space monster? Hmmmm since I beleived that back then according to your logic I HAVE to believe it now

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif

As ever you are adept at twisting my words into something ABSOLUTELY ridiculous whilst bringing up irrelevant past events simultaneously.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif

I'm not entirely sure whether you're the stick, or the horse, in this particular exchange.

I'm not entirely sure whether you're the stick, or the horse, in this particular exchange.

I'm still wondering what it has to do with the post. Poli is presumably referring to some past event(that bitch, how dare she?!) and SL objects. How does one go from that to someone beating a dead horse?

I'm still wondering what it has to do with the post. Poli is presumably referring to some past event(that bitch, how dare she?!) and SL objects. How does one go from that to someone beating a dead horse?

If it's in the past an irrelevant bringing it up is just as useful as beating a dead horse.

Hey Polly did you know that when I was 4 my sister convinced me that Barney was an evil flesh eating space monster? Hmmmm since I beleived that back then according to your logic I HAVE to believe it now

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/images/smilies/other_beatingA_DeadHorse.gif

As ever you are adept at twisting my words into something ABSOLUTELY ridiculous whilst bringing up irrelevant past events simultaneously.

SL, let me put this in the simplest terms possible.

You have explicitly stated that rape victims are often partially to blame for being raped (and that I, personally, was at least somewhat to blame for being sexually assaulted), that forcing people to wear chastity belts would be a good way to prevent rape, that you wonder if the government spies on elementary schoolers' history homework, that there is a vast NSG conspiracy to repress you, and that you don't understand why comic book superheroes FIGHT bad guys instead of RESEARCHING them.

Why in the heck would I bother twisting your words? I mean, really?

SL, let me put this in the simplest terms possible.

You have explicitly stated that rape victims are often partially to blame for being raped (and that I, personally, was at least somewhat to blame for being sexually assaulted), that forcing people to wear chastity belts would be a good way to prevent rape, that you wonder if the government spies on elementary schoolers' history homework, that there is a vast NSG conspiracy to repress you, and that you don't understand why comic book superheroes FIGHT bad guys instead of RESEARCHING them.

Why in the heck would I bother twisting your words? I mean, really?

1) In the past and irrellevent to this thread and every thread after that to date.

2) the Chastity belts were a joke, others got it. Do you really think that a power chastity belt that has pee powered accessories is a serious invention? Irrellevent with a capital I.

3) If the cult private school I once went to did it then how was I supposed to know if I can trust public schools any more than that one? After all I was still effected by the mindfuck those cultist bastards put me through. And yet again irrellevent.

4) Yet again you twist my words, I said the minority, that is not limited to me alone.

5) Smarter heroes are better, heroes that know what they're doing look cooler. And once again irrellevent.

6) Well since you seem to be blind to your own motives I guess I'll have to expound some more *takes deep breath* because maybe your a political zealot and twisting words furthers your cause and makes you look good. Because you want to de Denying that you don't twist words holds as much truth as my sincere support for metal underpants idea. (W H I C H W A S A J O K E) And of course because it is an excellent tool of suppression.


http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k205/zipwad/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

Now please...can you not let poor Wilbur rest in peace?

If it's in the past an irrelevant bringing it up is just as useful as beating a dead horse.
You misunderstand the purpose of sarcasm. It's meant to be amusing. It was. So it was relevant :)
SL, let me put this in the simplest terms possible.

You have explicitly stated that rape victims are often partially to blame for being raped (and that I, personally, was at least somewhat to blame for being sexually assaulted), that forcing people to wear chastity belts would be a good way to prevent rape, that you wonder if the government spies on elementary schoolers' history homework, that there is a vast NSG conspiracy to repress you, and that you don't understand why comic book superheroes FIGHT bad guys instead of RESEARCHING them.

Why in the heck would I bother twisting your words? I mean, really?

To be fair, Batman does ridiculous amounts of research and planning 'off screen', including plans on how to defeat the other good guys, just in case.

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

I think I'd repress you or something, since you seem so convinced we're all doing it.

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Now please...can you not let poor Wilbur rest in peace?

Methinks such a pic would be frowned upon by the mods. I'd delete it if I were you.

Because conservatives are like toasters...

Sadly, they're not. I keep stuffing bread slices into them and I get nothing back that even remotely resembles toast.

Or are they only like toasters in that if one falls in the tub while you're bathing, you get electrocuted? I haven't tried that one yet. <goes off to do more research>

Sadly, they're not. I keep stuffing bread slices into them and I get nothing back that even remotely resembles toast.

Or are they only like toasters in that if one falls in the tub while you're bathing, you get electrocuted? I haven't tried that one yet. <goes off to do more research>

If you stick a fork in a liberal, you'll die.

I'd side with the Conservatives initially, mostly because I dislike lefties. However, as time passed, I'd start secretly chipping away at the Conservatives, planting a seed of doubt here, a bit of wonder here... And then, the MIGHTY PUG ARMY WILL ARISE AND CONQUER ALL! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! *Men in white coats come in, put me in a straight jacket* YOU'LL NEVER ESCAPE! NEVER! *Iz dragged off to the insane asylum*

I fail to see how any of what polcra is posting or any responses to her for that metter has to do with NSG having a massive argument with a conservative circle jerk.

I certainly do my best to persecute the minority on this forum.

the minority either keep quiet or get shunned.

Sadly QFT. I've seen entire threads die because I posted in them.

I'd throw a petrol bomb at Jolt's servers. Then I'd win.


Also, +1 lulz for interwebs drama

This could be an interesting experiment....Not that I would bring such a group here on purpose.

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I think I'd repress you or something, since you seem so convinced we're all doing it.

You twist my words yet again. The minority is suppressed not me.

And if that's not so I urge all theists, moderates and conservatives to have a say in this thread.

1) In the past and irrellevent to this thread and every thread after that to date.

2) the Chastity belts were a joke, others got it. Do you really think that a power chastity belt that has pee powered accessories is a serious invention? Irrellevent with a capital I.

3) If the cult private school I once went to did it then how was I supposed to know if I can trust public schools any more than that one? After all I was still effected by the mindfuck those cultist bastards put me through. And yet again irrellevent.

4) Yet again you twist my words, I said the minority, that is not limited to me alone.

5) Smarter heroes are better, heroes that know what they're doing look cooler. And once again irrellevent.

6) Well since you seem to be blind to your own motives I guess I'll have to expound some more *takes deep breath* because maybe your a political zealot and twisting words furthers your cause and makes you look good. Because you want to de Denying that you don't twist words holds as much truth as my sincere support for metal underpants idea. (W H I C H W A S A J O K E) And of course because it is an excellent tool of suppression.



My apologies for not being able to tell when you are joking. Obviously, anyone should realize that "men have the self-control of toasters" is a serious argument, while "women should wear chastity belts" is not. Thanks for agreeing that the other positions I mentioned were, in fact, your real positions, though.

And just so you know? When you tell someone that it's her fault she was sexually assaulted, that is never, ever going to be irrelevant to her opinion of you. Deal with it. If you don't want to be judged by your horrendously offensive statements, don't make horrendously offensive statements.

I fail to see how any of what polcra is posting or any responses to her for that metter has to do with NSG having a massive argument with a conservative circle jerk.
It's more to do with your idea that there's a huge conspiracy to suppress 'the minority'
You twist my words yet again. The minority is suppressed not me.

And if that's not so I urge all theists, moderates and conservatives to have a say in this thread.

And you certainly haven't suggested that you might be part of that minority.



Oh wait....

You twist my words yet again. The minority is suppressed not me.

And if that's not so I urge all theists, moderates and conservatives to have a say in this thread.

I have a say! And I'm a theist! *does the Theist dance*

Well, it all depends on who's winning. If the invaders have got the upper hand, just call me Vidkun Quisling.

My apologies for not being able to tell when you are joking. Obviously, anyone should realize that "men have the self-control of toasters" is a serious argument, while "women should wear chastity belts" is not. Thanks for agreeing that the other positions I mentioned were, in fact, your real positions, though.

And just so you know? When you tell someone that it's her fault she was sexually assaulted, that is never, ever going to be irrelevant to her opinion of you. Deal with it. If you don't want to be judged by your horrendously offensive statements, don't make horrendously offensive statements.

It's irrellevent because this thread has NOTHING to do with rape or those previous threads your bringing up whatsoever. And if I recall properly it was you or some other people who twisted it into ALL MEN HAVE NO SELF CONTROL. And that opinion was based on my opinion that most rapists are of the ilk that lack it completely. So you said in full sincerity that men are bunch of animalistic rapists with no self control. Well if that were so how to they maintain careers, raise families, how do they face their fears, heck if what you said about men was true none of them would be soldiers because self control is required when one is asked to follow orders whilst being shot at. And thought your right about it not being irrelevant to your opinion you forget professor deadhorse that this thread isn't about your opinion at all whatsoever, its about a hypothetical fight between two circle jerks. Now you can either discuss what you would do in such event or leave.

It's more to do with your idea that there's a huge conspiracy to suppress 'the minority'


And you certainly haven't suggested that you might be part of that minority.



Oh wait....

Yup I represent the entire minority on NS in fact I'm it's embodiment :rolleyes: Oh wait I was being sarcastic. The minority is not in fact me but everyone within the minority. Well the minority=minority. Would you look at that. Who would have ever known?! :eek:

*ignoring the petty bickering*

i would love to have an influx of strong opinions. thats what makes debate fun. not everyone agreeing with each other.

If you stick a fork in a liberal, you'll die.

I'll have to take your word for it, as your hypothesis seems too dangerous to test. I suppose I can test the converse -- I just stuck a fork in my hotdog, and I'm still alive, so I must assume that my hotdog was not a liberal. Despite being a suspicious shade of pink.

*ignoring the petty bickering*

i would love to have an influx of strong opinions. thats what makes debate fun. not everyone agreeing with each other.

amen. Living in a world where everyone agrees with each other is like being force fed spam on end day after day. Unfortunately many poor brainwashed cultists have to go through such a world on a daily basis. :(

Yup I represent the entire minority on NS in fact I'm it's embodiment :rolleyes: Oh wait I was being sarcastic. The minority is not in fact me but everyone within the minority. Well the minority=minority. Would you look at that. Who would have ever known?! :eek:

I never suggested you were some kind of representative for this mysterious minority on NSG. I was pointing out that you seem to think you're part of it. You know how the word 'part' works in that context, right?

amen. Living in a world where everyone agrees with each other is like being force fed spam on end day after day. Unfortunately many poor brainwashed cultists have to go through such a world on a daily basis. :(
did you say you were raised in a cult? which one?

It's irrellevent because this thread has NOTHING to do with rape or those previous threads your bringing up whatsoever. And if I recall properly it was you or some other people who twisted it into ALL MEN HAVE NO SELF CONTROL. And that opinion was based on my opinion that most rapists are of the ilk that lack it completely. So you said in full sincerity that men are bunch of animalistic rapists with no self control. Well if that were so how to they maintain careers, raise families, how do they face their fears, heck if what you said about men was true none of them would be soldiers because self control is required when one is asked to follow orders whilst being shot at. And thought your right about it not being irrelevant to your opinion you forget professor deadhorse that this thread isn't about your opinion at all whatsoever, its about a hypothetical fight between two circle jerks. Now you can either discuss what you would do in such event or leave.

.....what on earth are you talking about? Do you even know anymore?

You've presupposed in this thread that NSG is somehow ruled by a vast liberal conspiracy to repress the minority, including you. Pointing out that that premise is ridiculous has everything to do with this thread, whether you like it or not. Pointing out that you have in no way been "repressed" is relevant, even if you think that acknowledging your lack of repression is somehow itself repressive.

.....what on earth are you talking about? Do you even know anymore?

You've presupposed in this thread that NSG is somehow ruled by a vast liberal conspiracy to repress the minority, including you. Pointing out that that premise is ridiculous has everything to do with this thread, whether you like it or not. Pointing out that you have in no way been "repressed" is relevant, even if you think that acknowledging your lack of repression is somehow itself repressive.

Wheels within wheels.

did you say you were raised in a cult? which one?

Not raised in one, remember those Baptists I told you about? I had to go to that Baptist school for three years. As you can all recall when I first went here I was trying to tell you all about their brainwashing ways and because of some the effects I was a bit screwy for years to come.

I read up on them to see if my suspicions were correct and it was true. I read Margaret Thaler's "Cults in our Midst" and it was as though the author was spying on them and based parts of her book on my experience (thats impossible because she's long dead :() I also went to the rickross site and found that they exhibit all of the danger signs. I've been researching cults ever since.

To answer your question, Margaret Thaler would classift them as a "Neo Christian" or "Pseudo-Christian" cult.

.....what on earth are you talking about? Do you even know anymore?

You've presupposed in this thread that NSG is somehow ruled by a vast liberal conspiracy to repress the minority, including you. Pointing out that that premise is ridiculous has everything to do with this thread, whether you like it or not. Pointing out that you have in no way been "repressed" is relevant, even if you think that acknowledging your lack of repression is somehow itself repressive.

I'm talking about how you keep insisting that I beleive that all men are weak willed rapists when in fact it was the fact that I beleived that rapists are all weak minded. I wouldn't be talking about it if you wouldn't bring it up every time you post on a thread of mine.I bet I can post a thread about an alien juggling cans of spam on a unicycle and still you'd insist that somehow that misquoted opinion of mine was relevent.

As for what you have posted regarding the actual subject matter, if there was no repression then instead of trusting only our biased impulses we the posters of NSG would seek out the truth through debate. Impartiality is essential for true debate. But we lack that, we let our biases influence our actions and because of that many are left unheard. Every single poster that tried to argue this was like a nail that stuck, immediately beat down, many of them have left knowing their efforts are in vain.

Not raised in one, remember those Baptists I told you about? I had to go to that Baptist school for three years. As you can all recall when I first went here I was trying to tell you all about their brainwashing ways and because of some the effects I was a bit screwy for years to come.

I read up on them to see if my suspicions were correct and it was true. I read Margaret Thaler's "Cults in our Midst" and it was as though the author was spying on them and based parts of her book on my experience (thats impossible because she's long dead :() I also went to the rickross site and found that they exhibit all of the danger signs. I've been researching cults ever since.

To answer your question, Margaret Thaler would classift them as a "Neo Christian" or "Pseudo-Christian" cult.
ahhhh

my brother in law and his family were in a very strict christian denomination for quite a number of years. i was shocked the first time i saw his wife wearing pants.

ahhhh

my brother in law and his family were in a very strict christian denomination for quite a number of years. i was shocked the first time i saw his wife wearing pants.

Did this "denomination" exhibit any of the characteristics listed in this link? (http://www.rickross.com/warningsigns.html)

As for what you have posted regarding the actual subject matter, if there was no repression
There is no repression. As this thread shows, people are free to, by and large, post whatever they want. That there are more liberals/people on the left than conservatives/people on the right is a coincidence. That people espousing views typical of the latter are often found with many people arguing against them is not the result of some grand conspiracy, it's the unfortunate side effect of unequal numbers on either side.

There is no repression.

Err, I'm not so sure the collective teasing of SL is a great indicator.

Err, I'm not so sure the collective teasing of SL is a great indicator.

Well, there is occassionally that, but we don't plan it beforehand or anything.

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There would be a nuclear winter of 'forum down', as the bandwith will blow up faster than even the most spammed forum on the internet, seeing as NSG is the final boss of tl;dr, and if a war was on tl;dr would be in every post, and there would be many, many posts.
Eventually all will die at their keyboards of typing too much stuff no-one will read, only the hardcores will survive, and they will start charging their bills to Max Barry as they would then practically live IN his site, feeding of the odd insect attracted to the screen and fungus growing between their toes and drink their own perspiration. Of course faced with this horror Max would shut down NSG, the hardcores would then instantly die due to the psychic recoil of their mental link with their tl;dr posts being severed.

Answer:
This war would be a good thing. Afterwards we'd all agree on religious, political, social and ethical issues, or at least agree to disagree.

I never suggested you were some kind of representative for this mysterious minority on NSG.
Mysterious, eh?
I knew there were aliens on NSG!

Well, there is occassionally that, but we don't plan it beforehand or anything.

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Weren't you at the anti SL conspiracy alliance meeting earlier? We totally did.

Weren't you at the anti SL conspiracy alliance meeting earlier? We totally did.

Why do I never get any memos?!

I'd argue for which side paid me more. Or whomever I felt was going to win. Flexible allegiances FTW!

I'd argue for which side paid me more. Or whomever I felt was going to win. Flexible allegiances FTW!

Well, if I'm Vidkun Quisling I guess that makes you Philippe Petain.

Err, I'm not so sure the collective teasing of SL is a great indicator.

What about the collective beating that Andaras routinely took? Was that the result of some grand, right-wing conspiracy on NSG? People from both sides of the spectrum who say stupid shit get abused here.

I might leave, actually. I come here to have fun. At some point, reading infuriating crap stops being fun.

Nearly 19,000 posts and your still here, the fun must still be strong.

What about the collective beating that Andaras routinely took? Was that the result of some grand, right-wing conspiracy on NSG? People from both sides of the spectrum who say stupid shit get abused here.

Perhaps the truth is that both of them are simply manifestations of this forum with no existence outside of it.

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

Wow! I don't even understand the question.

NSG would win, conservatives suck at flame war tactics.

That and NSG has a population of some of the 'darkside' of the internet, the conservative board would stop functioning due to the shock tactics from that sort.

Why do I never get any memos?!

Maybe if you checked your pigeon hole a bit more often.

What about the collective beating that Andaras routinely took? Was that the result of some grand, right-wing conspiracy on NSG? People from both sides of the spectrum who say stupid shit get abused here.

Well doesn't that prove SL's point? After all he was talking about the minority.

Well doesn't that prove SL's point? After all he was talking about the minority.

If the minority is "morons", then sure, there's discrimination against that minority here.

If the minority is "morons", then sure, there's discrimination against that minority here.

Well there you go then case closed.

He was right after all, but then having not read many of SL's posts I do not know if he is a moron or not.

I ain't 'fraid. I'd have a Terminator on my side:

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Say hello to a world of pain.

(For you!)

If our beloved Kingdom of General is threatened by barbarians from the dregs of the internets, I shant run! Nay! I shall fight! Fight for the glory and pride of our great forum and bring Generalite civilization to the barbarian hordes that threaten us. Let them come! Let them descend on us like plague, and I and my Generalite bretheren shall sally forth and meet them on the field of battle. In every thread, with every post, we will beat back the hordes of wild, unwashed brutes! With our great battle cry we will hold and defeat the barbarians at the the gates!

If the minority is "morons", then sure, there's discrimination against that minority here.

Sdaeriji says it best.

I would welcome good debaters of any stripe. Self-proclaimed conservatives are more than welcome to join in and debate here - and I still have a hope that more good debaters of that political bent will come here. Because there's a lack of intelligent non-moronic (US style) conservative posters here.

I'll stay in the secret conspiracy to oppress morons though :wink:

Sdaeriji says it best.

I would welcome good debaters of any stripe. Self-proclaimed conservatives are more than welcome to join in and debate here - and I still have a hope that more good debaters of that political bent will come here. Because there's a lack of intelligent non-moronic (US style) conservative posters here.

I'll stay in the secret conspiracy to oppress morons though :wink:

Yeah, one of the funniest things about this thread is how often many of us in the "secret liberal conspiracy" have quite explicitly stated that we'd like more intelligent conservatives to post here. Being in the majority most of the time can get boring. :tongue:

I'd log off NSG for a week until all of the blatantly racist, homophobic etc people at the extreme had been deleted and banned, then come back and debate in a civil manner with no problems with the remaining sensible people

Maybe if you checked your pigeon hole a bit more often.
So I wasn't meant to eat that pigeon?
I'd log off NSG for a week until all of the blatantly racist, homophobic etc people at the extreme had been deleted and banned, then come back and debate in a civil manner with no problems with the remaining sensible people

But then you'd miss all the fun!

Yeah, one of the funniest things about this thread is how often many of us in the "secret liberal conspiracy" have quite explicitly stated that we'd like more intelligent conservatives to post here. Being in the majority most of the time can get boring. :tongue:

:eek2: Ixnay on the onspiracy-ey! FNORD!

So I wasn't meant to eat that pigeon?

It's the other hole...

I think everyone wins, because it's a circle jerk. The only person who doesn't win in a circle jerk is the poor guy with ED.

And the truly competitive take first, third and fifth place.

Sigged BTW.

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

i'd guess that people that primarily hang out on a conservative forum would be unlikely to deal well here. too much discussion and argument here for them, and not much tolerance for their shit. the mockery of their ignorance alone would drive off many of those who survived the oh so strict rules here in the first place - which is why most of the true conservatives we've wound up with seem utterly immune to embarrassment. evolution in action.

see also; the old semi-annual nazi invasions

Why do I never get any memos?!
Because we repress you.

Well doesn't that prove SL's point? After all he was talking about the minority.
Yet only a minority of posters jump on the backs of certain posters, while posters of all political stripes call for this minority to cease. There is no 'bias', no-one is being 'repressed', there is no conspiracy.

see also; the old semi-annual nazi invasions
I guess the other place doesn't send its hordes over here anymore.

Though I do still remember (from my old nation) some little white nationalist tyke coming over here to flamebait and ending up completely renouncing his views. Cannie remember his username, but it was a cool moment in NS:G.

Let's keep the off topic posts out of here, okay? There've been plenty of them.

So I wasn't meant to eat that pigeon?

:D He had the memo around his leg.

This reminds me of a Blackadder episode.

We will have to place you on trial for murdering a beloved innocent pigeon

Yet only a minority of posters jump on the backs of certain posters, while posters of all political stripes call for this minority to cease. There is no 'bias', no-one is being 'repressed', there is no conspiracy.

He who denies the exsistence of a conspiracy is apart of the conspiracy himself.

Next you will be telling me that there is a town called Beilefield.

The "argument" would last long.
I'd stay out of it.
This won't end well:
Then out of the heavens descended Chuck Norris.
I'd side with the righties. I'd fight.
It won't last long.
I'd win.

What about the collective beating that Andaras routinely took? Was that the result of some grand, right-wing conspiracy on NSG? People from both sides of the spectrum who say stupid shit get abused here.

It was a bourgeois conspiracy in this case.

You need a new sarcasm-o-meter.

Or, very possibly, you do...

You've presupposed in this thread that NSG is somehow ruled by a vast liberal conspiracy to repress the minority, including you. Pointing out that that premise is ridiculous has everything to do with this thread, whether you like it or not. Pointing out that you have in no way been "repressed" is relevant, even if you think that acknowledging your lack of repression is somehow itself repressive.

You do realize that he has been quite plain that it is not a vast conspiracy, right?

He stated very early in this thread that forums turn into social circles that share opinions that generally shun and/or ridicule minority dissenting opinions. He did not say it was a conscious attempt, only that it is the nature of internet forums.

The four or so posters who immediately turned this into a conversation about SL's opinions have really done a good job of proving him right.

And he is right, this forum is about 30% social circle jerks, 10% self-referential circle jerks, 5% good debate, and 55% liberal circle jerks.

I hardly ever post here anymore because the forum is so vapid.

You do realize that he has been quite plain that it is not a vast conspiracy, right?

He stated very early in this thread that forums turn into social circles that share opinions that generally shun and/or ridicule minority dissenting opinions. He did not say it was a conscious attempt, only that it is the nature of internet forums.

The four or so posters who immediately turned this into a conversation about SL's opinions have really done a good job of proving him right.

And he is right, this forum is about 30% social circle jerks, 10% self-referential circle jerks, 5% good debate, and 55% liberal circle jerks.

I hardly ever post here anymore because the forum is so vapid.

Well said! (Am I being a little ironic here by just agreeing with you in a circle jerkish manner but not contributing anything? Perhaps).

He stated very early in this thread that forums turn into social circles that share opinions that generally shun and/or ridicule minority dissenting opinions. He did not say it was a conscious attempt, only that it is the nature of internet forums.

The four or so posters who immediately turned this into a conversation about SL's opinions have really done a good job of proving him right.

That is actually a good point.

And he is right, this forum is about 30% social circle jerks, 10% self-referential circle jerks, 5% good debate, and 55% liberal circle jerks.

I hardly ever post here anymore because the forum is so vapid.

Whatever. Post on whatever portentous forum has your respect. Bye!

Whatever. Post on whatever portentous forum has your respect. Bye!

I assure you that I do.

And it isn't a matter of respect or lack there of, I just don't find this forum very interesting anymore.

I assure you that I do.

And it isn't a matter of respect or lack there of, I just don't find this forum very interesting anymore.

I miss your debates with AnarchyeL.

I always thought he had the better of you, but that's probably just because I'm a "liberal."

But it really is a matter of respect. If you give a forum a quick look-over, DON'T participate in the 5% of real debate you see there but instead dismiss it all as 95% circle-jerk ... how can that be "respect" for the forum? We have five percent of your respect?

I always thought he had the better of you, but that's probably just because I'm a "liberal."

He did have the better of me, still would.

But it really is a matter of respect. If you give a forum a quick look-over, DON'T participate in the 5% of real debate you see there but instead dismiss it all as 95% circle-jerk ... how can that be "respect" for the forum? We have five percent of your respect?

Most everyone on here has my respect.

Its just different strokes for different folks. There isn't enough controversy on here for me anymore; too many posters seem to agree on what topics to discuss and what positions to hold. I like to argue.

"From the place where tacos are sold for free"
"Descended from heaven, the mighty LG"

I voted the Chuck Norris option, replacing Chuck Norris with LG.

Hmmmm I think I already did, you can figure it out. ;)

You're the conservative circle jerk? :confused:

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

It couldn't happen. Conservatives are generally less educated than their liberal brethren and sistren, which is why they are so underrepresented on the internets.

If they get educated enough to hold their own on a forum like this, they turn (almost definitively) into liberals.

The fact that NSG favours liberal values is nothing to do with circle jerks or pressure, and everything to do with the fact that people who are attracted to a game, or a forum, like this - are probably smarter than the average.

All this time I have been designing the ultimate weapon for the forces of LG. The cream pie howitzer. It requires 75 men, a steam engine and 100 miles of railroad track to move. The projectile is a 20 inch butter crust encapsulating 18 pounds of whip cream (not the kind that come out of cans, the good kind) being launched by 45 pound canisters of smokeless gunpowder. The muzzle velocity for an average pie is 17,000 ft/sec. Although the charred ashy remains of the giant pie shell have been able to fly distances of up to and including 67 ft, the gun remains wildly inaccurate.

With such an unstoppable super weapon, LG is sure to win! HAHAHA!

Most everyone on here has my respect.

Its just different strokes for different folks. There isn't enough controversy on here for me anymore; too many posters seem to agree on what topics to discuss and what positions to hold. I like to argue.

You don't get more debate than you make yourself. So get out there and stirr some shite up! Be controversial and argue - sanely and thoughtfully. Give us a challenge :wink:

All this time I have been designing the ultimate weapon for the forces of LG. The cream pie howitzer.
With such an unstoppable super weapon, LG is sure to win! HAHAHA!

I see your cream pie howitzer, and raise you the ill-defined and quite possibly impractically lethal Nuclear Cannon, as seen on another thread

Having not been around here long, it does appear to me that there is a lot of broad agreement on issues, but there are enough dissenting voices to ensure a reasonable level of debate (even if it often degenerates into point scoring on technicalities). But maybe my sympathies lie in the 'right place', so I don't feel ostracised.

I wouldn't care if people tore apart my arguments en masse, as it's just a debate after all.

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Perhaps if the hypotheticals you brought up were realistic, and you did not post your jokes in a manner where people cannot see you are clearly being sarcastic, people would be enticed into answering your serious threads in a manner more to your pleasing?

I would instantly vaporise the members of the conservative circle jerk with the unstoppable force of my mind lasers. With great power comes great responsibility, and I'm willing to use my power for the good of NSG, and indeed the world. FEAR ME, TROLLS, FEAR ME!

I don't see how this scenario is any different than NSG in its current format, which consists mainly of a various leftist circle jerk and a libertarian circle jerk. But I'll assume that Stormfront invades.

Since I am disliked by both, at least as it would seem, (though in terms of my views I'm mostly in line with 'lefties'), I'd stay out, though occasionally mocking a participant if they said something particularly juicy to make fun of.

I miss your debates with AnarchyeL.

I always thought he had the better of you, but that's probably just because I'm a "liberal."

But it really is a matter of respect. If you give a forum a quick look-over, DON'T participate in the 5% of real debate you see there but instead dismiss it all as 95% circle-jerk ... how can that be "respect" for the forum? We have five percent of your respect?

I don't understand this whole "respecting of NSG" thing. Seems a little ridiculous, really.

It couldn't happen. Conservatives are generally less educated than their liberal brethren and sistren, which is why they are so underrepresented on the internets.

If they get educated enough to hold their own on a forum like this, they turn (almost definitively) into liberals.

The fact that NSG favours liberal values is nothing to do with circle jerks or pressure, and everything to do with the fact that people who are attracted to a game, or a forum, like this - are probably smarter than the average.

Uneducated they may be, but they can definitely be persistent. And in some places, there area lot of them. For example, there's /k/, the "weapons" (read: guns) forum on 4chan. There are a lot of conservatives there. Most of them are pretty dumb. But they do hold their own in forum wars.

What if an entire circle jerk from a conservative forum learned of NSG and decided to try to "teach the NSG circle jerk a lesson". Upon making this decision every member of the conservative circle jerk creates an account on NS and immediately forms a conservative circle jerk that competes with the NSG liberal one at every turn.

What would you do? What would happen? Who would win?

I voted for every option, just because I could. :D

Seriously, I'd probably not participate in it, and wait until they broke enough of the rules (thereby getting them banned, and the problem solving itself), or until they got bored and left (again, solving the problem by itself).

As a pinko-commie-faggot, I'd call the liberals and conservatives reactionaries, and have them hung for crimes against society.

I don't understand this whole "respecting of NSG" thing. Seems a little ridiculous, really.

What I'm saying is that whenever a poster (even a poor one) criticizes NSG as a whole, and that goes unchallenged, it's this strong message to newbs "hey look, my posting is good enough for this rubbish place." And when a good poster like Vittos says it, that does even more damage. It basically cedes the field to bad posters.

I'm a big believer in newbs, the place would just die without them. But I'm also a believer in putting high expectations on them. Hit them hard, and if they can't take it let them slink away. That goes double, given that a "newb" might actually be an old-timer, indulging themself in lowered expectations.

So whenever I'm in a discussion where someone excuses their own poor posting with "it's only NSG" or "you're all against me because of groupthink/circlejerk" I tell them to stfu. If they won't even try to live up to my standards, and insist that there aren't any standards to live up to "because it's NSG" but they don't prove it (by defeating my points) ... well, I'll crush them.

That's what I mean by "respect the forum." Don't blame every poster, or the format of the site, or the server ... for being a piss-poor poster. Being rubbish is nobody's fault but the one who posts rubbish.

This isn't directed at you. I don't get your "nobody likes me" thing at all. You don't attract much attention 'cos you're fairly reasonable and (if this isn't an insult) moderate. At risk of being called a "circlejerker" let me add: you often come close to a "thread win!" or similar applause from me.

It couldn't happen. Conservatives are generally less educated than their liberal brethren and sistren, which is why they are so underrepresented on the internets.

If they get educated enough to hold their own on a forum like this, they turn (almost definitively) into liberals.

The fact that NSG favours liberal values is nothing to do with circle jerks or pressure, and everything to do with the fact that people who are attracted to a game, or a forum, like this - are probably smarter than the average.

Excuse me until I stop laughing, especially the over the third sentance, there really is nothing worse than reading about people who are so far up themselves they think that they can turn people into american liberals. No offence GnI

Excuse me until I stop laughing, especially the over the third sentance, there really is nothing worse than reading about people who are so far up themselves they think that they can turn people into american liberals. No offence GnI

Sleep well, BE. ;)

Sleep well, BE. ;)

:confused:

My earlier post was a little unfair, but I think if we wanted to compile a collection of posts that show that sometimes NSG can turn into a circle jerk than the post by GnI would be one of the first to be added to the list.

So what the hell is a "circle-jerk"?

I thought it was a frat-boy ritual where a bunch of guys stood in a circle and masturbated, the point being to prove that you could masturbate to climax even with all your mates watching.

The urban dictionary gives something rather different, pretty much the same as "cockteaser."

My last resort, google, tells me it is a circle of guys masturbating each other.

I think it is immature and cynical in the extreme to think that "discussion" consists only of disagreement, of every-man-for-himself, of dog-eat-dog. If agreement, commending a good point when it is made, and being appreciative rather than always hostile, makes me a "circle-jerker" then I wear the badge with pride.

Perhaps we should stop using a mutually consensual sexual episode as some standard of wrong behaviour, too. It's hardly better than saying "NSG is gay."

Uneducated they may be, but they can definitely be persistent. And in some places, there area lot of them. For example, there's /k/, the "weapons" (read: guns) forum on 4chan. There are a lot of conservatives there. Most of them are pretty dumb. But they do hold their own in forum wars.
There are some already here. Look for the gun wank threads on II. Or war talks on NSG. If you look closely you might find some.

But if there was a war with them there is a small group of /b/ members as well. They could run /k/ off pretty easily.

It's very easy to troll them, just make a comment about.

Sherman tanks,
"Heavy Tanks"
Gun control,
and best "Insert Type of weapon."

I'm already a spy for the righties.

Excuse me until I stop laughing, especially the over the third sentance, there really is nothing worse than reading about people who are so far up themselves they think that they can turn people into american liberals. No offence GnI

It would be the other way round, actually. No one would be being 'turned' into anything - if they were smart enough to be on this forum, they'd probably already BE an 'American liberal', see?

You may have noticed (with a little detective work) that I'm being a little tongue in cheek about the whole thing. Some of the smartest people I've known have been on the 'conservative' side of the spectrum, and to be honest, most people are fairly dumb. But, it's not all in jest - this IS a forum with a much higher apparent education level than many I've seen, and it just so happens that it ALSO seems to have a lot of 'liberal' leanings. I'm not entirely sure that's concidence.

:confused:

My earlier post was a little unfair, but I think if we wanted to compile a collection of posts that show that sometimes NSG can turn into a circle jerk than the post by GnI would be one of the first to be added to the list.

Except that I'm not 'in' any clique. Using me as an example of circle-jerks (as, one assumes, a euphemism for little coteries that self-congratulate, and perform some predatory function on 'weaker' groups) would be like using Mother Theresa as an example of 20th Century Fascist Dictators.

Except that I'm not 'in' any clique. Using me as an example of circle-jerks (as, one assumes, a euphemism for little coteries that self-congratulate, and perform some predatory function on 'weaker' groups) would be like using Mother Theresa as an example of 20th Century Fascist Dictators.

But she is! She's worse than Hitler!

It would be the other way round, actually. No one would be being 'turned' into anything - if they were smart enough to be on this forum, they'd probably already BE an 'American liberal', see?

You may have noticed (with a little detective work) that I'm being a little tongue in cheek about the whole thing. Some of the smartest people I've known have been on the 'conservative' side of the spectrum, and to be honest, most people are fairly dumb. But, it's not all in jest - this IS a forum with a much higher apparent education level than many I've seen, and it just so happens that it ALSO seems to have a lot of 'liberal' leanings. I'm not entirely sure that's concidence.

Yes I would agree with you people who do visit these forums do have a higher level of education and intelligence, but I think it is just a coincidence that people on here are liberals, as you say some conservatives are smart some are dumb, the same goes for every ideology.

Except that I'm not 'in' any clique. Using me as an example of circle-jerks (as, one assumes, a euphemism for little coteries that self-congratulate, and perform some predatory function on 'weaker' groups) would be like using Mother Theresa as an example of 20th Century Fascist Dictators.

I never said you were, but your post could be used as evidence as a circle jerk. There would be a few others such as how we are so good because we don't believe in god, (no I am not saying you have said that, but I have seen a few posters on here, and give it enough time I will be able to show you) there are a few other things where this happen as well, and I have posted similar posts myself. I do not think that NSG is just a circle jerk but it does show its head every so often.

That's when you realize it's fun to make other people read infuriating crap so you can laugh at them.Not my idea of fun. I prefer humiliating people with sound arguments to trolling for rabid responses with unsound ones.
Yeah, but its so addicting...Keeps dragging me back kicking and screaming, lol...As my late response shows, it's been losing its touch.

But she is! She's worse than Hitler!

I've heard she's mellowed out a lot, the last few years.

*straight face*

My nation of Miami Shores sides with the righties as voted. lol, Not even most of my fellow rightie nations would want me on thier side for being native Cuban.

The Hispanic Republic of Miami Shores is predominantly of native Cuban birth and descent, 55 % of popolutaion.

President Lincoln Diaz-Balart
Vice President Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.

Miami Shores

I'm already a spy for the righties.

Evidence for GnI's original case.

Spies for our side don't actually post.

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