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Mi5 recruits gays

Wilgrove
20-08-2008, 21:22
Britain's MI5 security service encourages gays, lesbians to apply to become spies

By JENNIFER QUINN | Associated Press Writer
1:07 PM CDT, August 18, 2008

LONDON (AP) _ Britain's domestic spy agency wants gay recruits to know: It's time to come out of the closet.

After shunning them for decades over worries of blackmail, MI5 is now asking gay and lesbian people to consider a career as a spy, promising the chance to fight terrorists, protect their country — and earn a decent salary, plus benefits.

As part of an ongoing recruitment drive, MI5 is already wooing women, minorities and people with language skills. The fact that they're now reaching out to Britain's gay community is long overdue, said Peter Tatchell, a London-based gay rights activist.

"Until a decade ago, gay people were seen as a security threat, and as recently as two decades ago, they were being witch hunted and sacked from the security services," he said Monday.

"It was part of the Cold War mentality that saw security threats, traitors, and spies everywhere," he said. "Gay people were regarded as vulnerable to blackmail, even if they were open and out about their sexuality."

Britain had some infamous gay agents during that era, such as Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt. The two men were caught spying for the Soviet Union.

The spy agency is shaking off its clubby image and becoming more representative of the community it serves, said Ben Summerskill, chief executive officer the gay rights group Stonewall, which publishes a job hunting guide that includes the spy agency as a prospective employer.

"My recent experience of them is that they're not John le Carre, Graham Greene — it's not that sort of tableau anymore," Summerskill said Monday.

Stonewall also is working with MI5 to create a workplace environment that is supportive of gay people.

Currently, MI5 has about 3,500 staff, twice what it had in 2001. The new drive comes two years after MI5 began publicly targeting women for recruitment, placing posters in gyms and advertisements in sports magazines that featured a black woman.

MI6, which collects Britain's foreign intelligence, also is looking for new hires, and in particular is encouraging applications from women and minorities.

According to MI5's Web site, intelligence officers earn a starting salary of about 23,000 pounds (US$45,000) plus benefits. Applicants have to be British citizens, and must pass a lengthy vetting process.

"As an intelligence officer at MI5, you'll be faced with some of the most challenging issues affecting national security today," the site says. "The decisions you make will play a major part in our efforts to counterterrorism, espionage, the spread of weapons of mass destruction and in protecting the U.K.'s critical national infrastructure."

Garry Hindle, the head of security and counterintelligence at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies, said MI5's inclusion in the gay and lesbian job guide is about inclusion, but it's also about image.

"They're trying to portray themselves as an open, inclusive organization that's working for the good of the community," Hindle said. But "it does need diverse members of society to be able to access the diverse members of society that they may have interest in."

The agency would say only that "the service seeks to reflect the broad range of U.K. society which it serves."

Available jobs include translators, computer specialists and surveillance officers.

Link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-britain-gay-spies,0,5926348.story)

So Mi5 are now recruiting gays and lesbians to be spies. I guess if you're an expert in being in the closet, you can be trusted with High level National Secruity stuff. hehe

So, Mi5 recruiting gays, good, bad, why?
Neo Art
20-08-2008, 21:24
So, Mi5 recruiting gays, good, bad, why?

Why would this in any way be a bad thing? I mean, the only things that gays in the military would have to look out for is...Mata Harry.
Fartsniffage
20-08-2008, 21:25
This is brilliant. Being gay has now become open enough in British society you don't have to be concerned about people using it to blackmail you.
Wilgrove
20-08-2008, 21:26
Why would this in any way be a bad thing? I mean, the only things that gays in the military would have to look out for is...Mata Harry.

Well, at least the gays can use their sexuality on other gay agents from other countries. :D
Dumb Ideologies
20-08-2008, 21:28
Recruiting them on the basis of their ability, on an equal opportunity basis...Good
Recruiting them solely because of their sexuality...Bad

You need the most skilled people in areas trying to maximise national security. Its not an area where compromises can really be made to meet targets.
Xiau
20-08-2008, 21:31
It's good, but only if they are good at it. I would hire the guy that was good at his job, not the guy who is gay so my company looks better.
Neo Art
20-08-2008, 21:32
Recruiting them on the basis of their ability, on an equal opportunity basis...Good
Recruiting them solely because of their sexuality...Bad

You need the most skilled people in areas trying to maximise national security. Its not an area where compromises can really be made to meet targets.

I don't read it so much as that they're deliberately hiring gays, regardless of qualifications, but rather letting the community know that the old "gays need not apply" standard of hte past is gone.
New Manvir
20-08-2008, 21:33
So...James Bond is gay now?
Skalvian Insurgents
20-08-2008, 21:33
Feel sorry for them poor muslims and russians...

Theyre gettin fucked, lol...
Skalvian Insurgents
20-08-2008, 21:34
So...James Bond is gay now?

Well, Pierce Brosnan is in Mama Mia, lol....
Nadkor
20-08-2008, 21:34
Recruiting them on the basis of their ability, on an equal opportunity basis...Good
Recruiting them solely because of their sexuality...Bad

You need the most skilled people in areas trying to maximise national security. Its not an area where compromises can really be made to meet targets.

I think this is a case of them saying "we're no longer going to reject you if you're gay" rather than "we need more gay people, we'll hire you whatever".
Tmutarakhan
20-08-2008, 21:35
Recruiting them on the basis of their ability, on an equal opportunity basis...Good
Recruiting them solely because of their sexuality...Bad
They are not "recruiting based solely on sexuality", they are simply making it known that they will not FORBID people to join, or drum them out, based solely on sexuality, which has been the long-standing practice.
Newer Burmecia
20-08-2008, 21:39
Yay for slowly joining the 21st century.
Dumb Ideologies
20-08-2008, 21:40
I don't read it so much as that they're deliberately hiring gays, regardless of qualifications, but rather letting the community know that the old "gays need not apply" standard of hte past is gone.

Well...then that is good :)
Khadgar
20-08-2008, 21:42
Ironically homosexuals used to be discriminated against by intelligence services as they were thought easily corrupted.
Skalvian Insurgents
20-08-2008, 21:42
Yay for slowly joining the 21st century.

Which i have to say i think is quite Ironic...cause they now have the level of tolerance of Ancient Greeks and Romans, lol...
Eofaerwic
20-08-2008, 21:42
No big deal... it's about time. Obviously people with secrets (be it in the closet, having an affair or whatever) does pose a serious security risk, but frankly nowadays, as long as you're out, it shouldn't be a problem.
Allanea
20-08-2008, 21:47
Sexuality is in and itself a useful skill.

For example, as someone already pointed out, a gay agent may be used to blackmail an official in a country like Iran.

"GIVE ME YOUR NATIONAL SECRET OR I TELL THE AYATOLLAH WHAT WE DID LAST SUMMER."
Chrysalia
20-08-2008, 21:47
yay for the british ...

i agree with those that say hiring should be conducted based solely on ability

but of course what they are doing now is not hiring based on sexuality, but simply opening the potential applications to the entire society and not just one part of it ...
Chrysalia
20-08-2008, 21:48
Sexuality is in and itself a useful skill.

For example, as someone already pointed out, a gay agent may be used to blackmail an official in a country like Iran.

"GIVE ME YOUR NATIONAL SECRET OR I TELL THE AYATOLLAH WHAT WE DID LAST SUMMER."


haha ..of course it does have its advantages too ...
Ifreann
20-08-2008, 21:59
Gays are too flamboyant and fabulous to infiltrate anything except the Gay Illuminati.



Guess who Mi5 is trying to take down.
Lunatic Goofballs
20-08-2008, 22:02
Gays are too flamboyant and fabulous to infiltrate anything except the Gay Illuminati.



Guess who Mi5 is trying to take down.

The GOP?


:D
Ifreann
20-08-2008, 22:03
the gop?


:d

>.>
<.<
Vault 10
20-08-2008, 22:08
Not letting gays in is strange for an intelligence agency in the first place.
I mean, they need gays to, say, reach gay politicians.
Rambhutan
20-08-2008, 22:18
Surely this should be MI5 starts recruiting gays again - though admittedly in the past it turned out most of them worked for the KGB rather than MI5...
Vault 10
20-08-2008, 22:22
[..] gays [...] most of them worked for the KGB rather than MI5...
And straights didn't?
Rambhutan
20-08-2008, 22:27
And straights didn't?

I think pretty much most of MI5 worked for the KGB in the fifties.
Fartsniffage
20-08-2008, 22:32
I think pretty much most of MI5 worked for the KGB in the fifties.

Jesus, we have 5 of the worst security leaks in the whole of the Cold War and you bastards keep dragging it up like it was important or something.
Fassitude
20-08-2008, 22:36
Ironically homosexuals used to be discriminated against by intelligence services as they were thought easily corrupted.

That's not ironic.
Hydesland
20-08-2008, 22:50
That's not ironic.

I think it's Ironic in a pot calling the kettle black sense, especially looking at how corruptible the intelligent services have been lately.
Flammable Ice
20-08-2008, 22:52
So, Mi5 recruiting gays, good, bad, why?

Of course it's good. What if they need to infiltrate a gay bar? Much better to use a genuine gay than a fake.
Call to power
21-08-2008, 00:36
of course you still need to be over 21 :(

I have received numerous ads from the guys actually and they tried really hard (as in insane) to recruit a female I recommended :confused:
The imperian empire
21-08-2008, 00:42
Link (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-britain-gay-spies,0,5926348.story)

So Mi5 are now recruiting gays and lesbians to be spies. I guess if you're an expert in being in the closet, you can be trusted with High level National Secruity stuff. hehe

So, Mi5 recruiting gays, good, bad, why?

I fail to see any problem.

They can't be caught by other nations spy catchers, as MI5 are Internal to the UK, therefore their sexuality cannot be used against them.
Tevnia
21-08-2008, 02:05
Why should sexuality even come in to it at all, with any job?
Tevnia
21-08-2008, 02:10
And how exactly are gays more corruptable?
Skalvian Insurgents
21-08-2008, 02:11
And how exactly are gays more corruptable?

Oh there are ways.....:tongue:
Blouman Empire
21-08-2008, 02:54
So, Mi5 recruiting gays, good, bad, why?

It is neither good nor bad.

The only way it would be bad is if they were hiring them because they were gay. But that is not what the article is saying.
Blouman Empire
21-08-2008, 02:55
So...James Bond is gay now?

Isn't Bond apart of MI6?
Skalvian Insurgents
21-08-2008, 02:56
Isn't Bond apart of MI6?

Not the way i do it, lol :tongue:
New Manvir
21-08-2008, 03:12
Isn't Bond apart of MI6?

I dunno, probably...
Gauthier
21-08-2008, 03:12
Well, Pierce Brosnan is in Mama Mia, lol....

And The Matador.
Skalvian Insurgents
21-08-2008, 03:15
And The Matador.

Besides why else would he have all those women were it not for cover?...

Wait...

Dont answer that, lol :tongue:
Cosmopoles
21-08-2008, 07:43
Ironically homosexuals used to be discriminated against by intelligence services as they were thought easily corrupted.

Only because it made the operatives easier to blackmail when they wouldn't want their sexuality revealed, particularly if they were married. I expect that they weren't too keen on recruiting anyone with major personal secrets.