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No I'm not talking about lady parts (though its always good to steer threads in that direction)

Waking up before you Penis! yes I said it and I think its horribly unnatural that we as a species get up at godforsaken o'clock in the morning to go to work especially on a Monday :mad:

so do you have to get up early? do you like the routine of it? am I just a lazy git? why do you think we work such hours?

btw I get today off because admin at work has screwed up :tongue:

No I'm not talking about lady parts (though its always good to steer threads in that direction)

Waking up before you Penis! yes I said it and I think its horribly unnatural that we as a species get up at godforsaken o'clock in the morning to go to work especially on a Monday :mad:

so do you have to get up early? do you like the routine of it? am I just a lazy git? why do you think we work such hours?

btw I get today off because admin at work has screwed up :tongue:

It's just you. We've been playing a grand prank on you, all these years. Everyone else you see on the streets early in the morning? Yeah, they go back to bed once you go past. *nod*

It's just you. We've been playing a grand prank on you, all these years. Everyone else you see on the streets early in the morning? Yeah, they go back to bed once you go past. *nod*

Does this mean we don't have to do it tomorrow, now that he knows?

Who pays us? Do we send in a invoice? I have receipts.

Classes start at 8:30am in a few weeks. :( I'll miss not being able to sleep during the day.

Meh, at least my weekends start on Thursday afternoons.

It's just you. We've been playing a grand prank on you, all these years. Everyone else you see on the streets early in the morning? Yeah, they go back to bed once you go past. *nod*

jokes on you.

I'm always late

Meh, at least my weekends start on Thursday afternoons.

oooh that will give you lots of time for a job :p

oooh that will give you lots of time for a job :p

no wai!1!1!!

*boycotts*

so do you have to get up early?

NO! I haven't had to get up early in years. Thank God for online business!!!


do you like the routine of it?
I HATE schedules of any kind with a fiery passion.

am I just a lazy git?No, people who say it's "lazy" to not w*rk in the mornings are just being stupid. Or maybe they're jealous.
why do you think we work such hours?I have no idea! I think it's nuts to do so...I really see absolutely no point in it whatsoever except for those in essential, 24/7-type positions (like emergency services). Everyone else should quit abusing their bodies with the "normal" (but horrendous) early hours! It seems plain to me--if you need an alarm clock to wake up, it's too early.

When it comes to this subject, I think most of humanity missed the clue train. It came by at 3AM, and only us night people were still up.

Does this mean we don't have to do it tomorrow, now that he knows?

Who pays us? Do we send in a invoice? I have receipts.

We're allowed to deduct anything under the category of "Subterfuge" and "Sneakiness". But "General Tomfoolery" is on our own expense.

Goddamn sorcerer...

jokes on you.

I'm always late

Clearly, we're trying to fool a mind far more powerful than any we've ever encountered.

*Flees*

Lol. I'm retired. Go to bed late, get up late. Heh, heh, heh.

No I'm not talking about lady parts (though its always good to steer threads in that direction)

Waking up before you Penis! yes I said it and I think its horribly unnatural that we as a species get up at godforsaken o'clock in the morning to go to work especially on a Monday :mad:

so do you have to get up early? do you like the routine of it? am I just a lazy git? why do you think we work such hours?

btw I get today off because admin at work has screwed up :tongue:

All things are relative.

My mothers cousin, now deceased, was a 'part-time' farmer. He arose with the light, which would depend on the season, but would involve being out the door at about 4 Am in the summer, as far as I recall. After 3 hours or so of this, he'd have a big breakfast and go off to his other job, working for the county council on the roads. After a day of that, it'd be in, bite to eat, and out till dark. Then the food, watch TV for half an hour, and bed. I might add that he didn't do it for the cash, but for the love of it, though he wouldn't put it that way himself. A character, the same man.

isn't early kind of a relative concept? why not just start your 'night' earlier so the morning comes relatively later to it?

that's what i've always done. just adjusted my the rest of my 'day' to whatever my schedule, when i had one, of places i 'had' to be when.

just count backwards 10 hours or so, from when you need to be someplace and get in the habit of that being when you go to bed, or 12 hours if you have to. however long to allow yourself all the time to get up and start your day and get to wherever you need to, without having to be in any hurry about it.

and it really absolute makes no difference what so ever what thouse times might be. it only becomes difficult when you have to live with someone else who lacks the decency to be considerate of the need to do so.

and THAT, is a big part of what's messed up, about HAVING TO, live WITH, ANYone.

personally i LIKE having awaike and asleep times of day that are opposite or nearly opposite of most other people. its how you can live your life without being surrounded by illusions and brainwashing.

to me, there is no early or late, only clock time and sun time, neither of which have any direct bearing on my internal personal time. i too am 'retired' and generally go to bed when the sun comes up, and get up when it goes down, at least in the summer, when its too damd hot to be outside in the middle of the day, unless i really absolutely HAVE to be somewhere for some special reason during those hours.

in the winter, when the weather is more comfortable, my times may precess arround the clock, with an internal personal 'day/night' cycle of 26, 28, or even 30 total hours.

when i was working, i loved, even prefered 4p to midnight and even midnight to 8a shifts. a couple of my favorites were one place my shift started at 03:00 and went to 11:00. another time and place i worked 4 12hour days a week, which gave me not only 3 days off every week, but 8 hours of overtime pay besides!

I dislike mornings intensly, which is why I do like the flexibility I get. I force myself to actually get in my office at a decent time (or I really wouldn't get anything done), but it's not a big deal if I'm late. On the other hand I tend to work quite late in the evening and I find that at lot easier than getting in early (even if it does mean I have much less of a social life).

Getting up early is great if you've had all the sleep you need ... so go to bed when you need to, to get your six, eight or ten hours and get up when you need. (Teens need more sleep than adults apparently -- so it's kinda odd that often get less.)

I was up with the sun this morning; there was frost on the grass. I'd forgotten how beautiful mornings can be ... then I remembered that I had to dig a grave for my best friend's dog, and that's why I took an early night.

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I have no idea! I think it's nuts to do so...I really see absolutely no point in it whatsoever except for those in essential, 24/7-type positions (like emergency services). Everyone else should quit abusing their bodies with the "normal" (but horrendous) early hours! It seems plain to me--if you need an alarm clock to wake up, it's too early.


So what are emergency services for you?

The markets that provide food to your local stores so that they can sell it to you, the financial system so that you can pay for the food, the shops so that they have stock of the goods you want to buy, etc. etc.

I hate early mornings with a passion, but that passion is weaker than the passion I have for the work I do. (Otherwise I'd quit).

Simply solved: It is amazing how quickly masturbation/sex with a significant other wakes you up ;)

Soon I expect this will all change - I see a shift in working over the next 50-100 years - it'll take time for culture to adjust.

I expect corporations will employ fewer and fewer people, rent less office space and thus have fewer overheads. Outsourcing will be less about different countries and more about different people.

So many jobs are desk jobs now, they could all be Ebay'd out, that is, you pick and choose from the jobs on offer and you're paid and rated on completion.

Added to this, it's easier and easier for a person to register themselves as a company, tax advantages to making one of your rooms an office. IBM has a complete suite you can download called something like Business On Demand, where you can essentially download everything you need to run an office.

Let's say I decide to go into T-shirts. I download the office, complete with registration and etc., I create a website, I contact suppliers from anywhere in the world and I use SEO, PPC, affiliates and more to advertise.

???

Profit.

I think it's J&J, one of those companies that outsources its problems, inviting anyone to solve it and paying for the correct answer.

What does it all mean - it means we'll be able to choose our office hours, when and where we want to work.

Night owls are free to be night owls, early risers can be early risers, a more fluid, dynamic work environment.

As ever, I always wish I was born in the future.

Soon I expect this will all change - I see a shift in working over the next 50-100 years - it'll take time for culture to adjust.

I expect corporations will employ fewer and fewer people, rent less office space and thus have fewer overheads. Outsourcing will be less about different countries and more about different people.

So many jobs are desk jobs now, they could all be Ebay'd out, that is, you pick and choose from the jobs on offer and you're paid and rated on completion.

Added to this, it's easier and easier for a person to register themselves as a company, tax advantages to making one of your rooms an office. IBM has a complete suite you can download called something like Business On Demand, where you can essentially download everything you need to run an office.

Let's say I decide to go into T-shirts. I download the office, complete with registration and etc., I create a website, I contact suppliers from anywhere in the world and I use SEO, PPC, affiliates and more to advertise.

???

Profit.

I think it's J&J, one of those companies that outsources its problems, inviting anyone to solve it and paying for the correct answer.

What does it all mean - it means we'll be able to choose our office hours, when and where we want to work.

Night owls are free to be night owls, early risers can be early risers, a more fluid, dynamic work environment.

As ever, I always wish I was born in the future.

This could be a possibility for some jobs but not everything. A lot of work still needs to be coordinated around teams and if you have people working at all different times and in different locations that becomes impossible. Some people prefer the human aspect of actually meeting their colleagues every day and wouldn't enjoy the isolation of working from home.

Read more here (http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10950378)

I damn near break into tears when my alarm goes off in the morning.

This could be a possibility for some jobs but not everything. A lot of work still needs to be coordinated around teams and if you have people working at all different times and in different locations that becomes impossible. Some people prefer the human aspect of actually meeting their colleagues every day and wouldn't enjoy the isolation of working from home.

Read more here (http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10950378)

Thanks, it's a good article, certainly there's ups and downs to any cultural change, or any change at all I suppose.

However, I don't necessarily mean working at home - market forces will certainly create a different form of office. We already have companies that act as proxy-offices, where you can meet, use the fax machine etc.,

I further expect a pool of similarly-minded people to create cafe-spaces, or anything really, where they can gather each day, exchange ideas, work on whatever project and more, play table tennis, whatever each group wants.

As for Blackberries - I think they're a problem of instant messaging, rather than fixation with work - it's a distraction, something to do and that's why they're addictive, a bit like a Tetris game - a simple reward based game, send out email, receive one back.

Again, cultural change will fix this somewhat.

It's already possible, we're just of a mindset that you get a job, go to work, etc.,

It doesn't have to be this way.

If your healthy and keep on waking up at the same rough time its fine.

In the past the sun woke you up. Now we have an alarm clock. I suggest letting the sun wake you up if possible. I know many places are too cold for that but it is the most natural method.

What really gets me about waking up early tho is daylight saving. Suddenly an hour is added or skipped. Why? The earth dosnt suddenly hop into a new time zone. It would be far better if every day a few seconds were added or taken.

Saddly that costs. And society wont be willing to pay the money to add some programing based upon dates and location into clocks.

There are other jobs than office-work though. Someone has to work with factory machines, someone has to steer vehicles or operate mining-machines. If those people turn up late because they feel like it, the machinery sits idle and the owner of the business loses money.

There are other jobs than office-work though. Someone has to work with factory machines, someone has to steer vehicles or operate mining-machines. If those people turn up late because they feel like it, the machinery sits idle and the owner of the business loses money.

Not for too long, soon the Homer Simpson's of this world will operate all this remotely, and they won't have have to top 300lbs to do it.

Mechanise!

I have a similar experience to Cameroi's. My internal clock is longer than the 24-hour day, so without firm cues like being woken by the sun, or needing to be awake at a particular clock-time, I go to bed and get up a little later each day.

Wikipedia tells me that the human circadian rhythm is now believed to be 24 hours and 11 minutes. But I grew up thinking I was quite normal with a 25 hour rhythm (ie, lacking external cues, I would go to sleep one hour later each night; a little more in fact.)

Not for too long, soon the Homer Simpson's of this world will operate all this remotely, and they won't have have to top 300lbs to do it.

Mechanise!

There is plenty of old-fashioned work being done, even in developed economies. Mechanisation firstly increases productivity (hence greater prosperity) but tellingly, it has not reduced working hours in the last few decades.

There is another factor in play. Given a choice between shorter working hours or more money, most people choose the long hours and more money.

Explain that to this lazy bastard, and I will truly be impressed.

If your healthy and keep on waking up at the same rough time its fine.

In the past the sun woke you up. Now we have an alarm clock. I suggest letting the sun wake you up if possible. I know many places are too cold for that but it is the most natural method.

What really gets me about waking up early tho is daylight saving. Suddenly an hour is added or skipped. Why? The earth dosnt suddenly hop into a new time zone. It would be far better if every day a few seconds were added or taken.

I quite agree! Modern timepieces could easily recieve the time signal broadcast by the many GPS satellites, computers could use either that or NTP, and even mechanical watches could be built to adjust the time of day gradually throughout the year.

I also agree that it is better to wake up gradually. Even in sleep, we have some consciousness ... and a sudden change to it (a sort of antithesis to being knocked unconscious) is unpleasant.

Before the sun, there are singing birds. Anyone who is lucky enough to have quiet nights and wild birds in their neighbourhood knows the joy of that. The sounds, then the rosy light, then the warmth. Awakening, sense by sense ...

EDIT: Tho, to be honest, I should mention the other senses. The foul taste of a hangover, the unnamed sense of health, the unnamed sense of conscience, the "sixth" sense of proprioception, and the smell of morning blooms and of bodily bacteria. But light is the most important, and there is no light like the gentle and flattering light of dawn!

Alarm clocks could be smarter, too. The making a sudden-loud-noise thing is dreadful, it's ruthless. I guess there are probably smarter alternatives to that, too ... the last time I used an alarm, it was the function of a mobile phone, and at least it started a little quieter. Perhaps if it could make soft sounds, then very slowly light the room, then warm the bed, then jump on the bed and meow and nudge my leg, demanding to be fed ...

I didn't have to get up early this morning, but I did anyway, although not by choice.

I still have a week left until my classes start, but my brothers start their sophomore year of high school today (although there likely won't be school tomorrow thanks to Fay). So mom turned on the TV loudly at 6 AM. Woke me up right away, and made my headache a lot worse (I still have it after more than 5 months... I might just go crazy... :( ) I couldn't fall back asleep.

What really gets me about waking up early tho is daylight saving. Suddenly an hour is added or skipped. Why? The earth dosnt suddenly hop into a new time zone. It would be far better if every day a few seconds were added or taken.

Saddly that costs. And society wont be willing to pay the money to add some programing based upon dates and location into clocks.
I'm pretty sure having time constantly slip around like a bar of soap in the bath would cause more psychological problems than simply jumping an hour every 6 months.

It is also useful to remember that one man's "early" is another man's "holy shit, I'm late, oh god, oh god, why did I sleep in?" For instance, I wake up between 6:30 and 7:30 most days, even on weekends I tend to be up by 9. Most people I know say that's pretty early, but I think it's perfectly natural and follow a similar schedule even on vacation.

I'm actually the only "morning" person that I know of.

I like early mornings ... when nobody is around and the streets are flooded with soft red light. The only problem is that I need at least 8 hours of sleep (preferably more, around 10 or so).

Psh, i hate gettin up early...although i also stay up unnaturally late...

Im just have a fucked up biological clock, lol...I blame teh Interwebs, lol

*snip*

Read more here (http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10950378)

That changes the way its employees live. While at UBS, Mr Coburn got up at precisely 5.08am on weekdays in order to catch a commuter train into Manhattan that would allow him to be at his cubicle by 6.45 and in a conference room at 7.00. “I never saw my kids in the morning,” he recalls. Now he wakes up at 6.15, does half an hour of yoga, kisses his three children and then turns on his BlackBerry

The Economist are pimp journalists, and Mr Coburn is a whore with the truth.

That is a crock of lies, wearing the private life of Mr Coburn's children beneath the burqa of "commercial confidentiality."

Nope, I simply refuse to believe that Mr Coburn, having taken a golden parachute from UBS, one of the richest merchant banks in the world, still starts work at the same time he did when he was on a salary.

Or ... perhaps we should take him at his (and The Economist's) word, and judge him by the time he spends "kissing his children" ... less than one minute ... and say that he's an asshole. A merchant banker in his heart, not just in his office.

Psh, i hate gettin up early...although i also stay up unnaturally late...

Im just have a fucked up biological clock, lol...I blame teh Interwebs, lol

Actually, I blame your mother. She should pull the plug on your internet, and make you go to bed. It seems you aren't old enough to make that decision for yourself.

The Economist are pimp journalists, and Mr Coburn is a whore with the truth.

That is a crock of lies, wearing the private life of Mr Coburn's children beneath the burqa of "commercial confidentiality."

Nope, I simply refuse to believe that Mr Coburn, having taken a golden parachute from UBS, one of the richest merchant banks in the world, still starts work at the same time he did when he was on a salary.

Or ... perhaps we should take him at his (and The Economist's) word, and judge him by the time he spends "kissing his children" ... less than one minute ... and say that he's an asshole. A merchant banker in his heart, not just in his office.

You missed the entire point of the article - its about the ability of some new firms to form a business without offices and the associated problems this causes as family and work life merge together. The purpose of the article is not to encourage people to form a qualitative opinion on how nice the people mentioned in it are. Hell, the least you could do is form an acuurate unnecessary opinion on the guy - golden parachutes are for executives who get sacked or laid off, not analysts who quit to start their own business. Nevertheless, your lack of reading comprehension still begs the question of what does Mr Coburn's personality have to do with decentralised workiing?

i get up usually at about 8 or 9. i still hate it...

but then i work late, so, meh. human beings weren't meant to work (in offices). we were meant to do nothing, grunt, have sex and sleep.

No I'm not talking about lady parts (though its always good to steer threads in that direction)

Waking up before you Penis! yes I said it and I think its horribly unnatural that we as a species get up at godforsaken o'clock in the morning to go to work especially on a Monday :mad:

so do you have to get up early? do you like the routine of it? am I just a lazy git? why do you think we work such hours?

btw I get today off because admin at work has screwed up :tongue:

My alarm is set for 3:00 am. I usually play "whack the snooze button" till 4:30, then get up and get ready for work, and clock in at 6:00

I have to get up at 5am, which would be fine except I don't go to bed until 3am.

I'm sleepy and stupid for about 90% of the day.

I don't like it, I don't want to wake up ever. I want to go to sleep and never ever wake up.

I think we're all a little lazy, I'm a little lazy and sleep deprived for about 7 1/2 years now so I'm like cranky insane sleepy.

I work these hours because I'm a mom.

I can actually get up in the mornings. Usually around 7 or 8. (But that's probably ingrained because if it's almost 8, a parent will come down and yell that we've been sleeping too much)