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She took fertility drugs so she could have a son. After finding that she was pregant with multiples (common with fertility drugs) she and her family declined to abort some fetuses because they wanted to follow God's will. This strikes me as hypocritical. If you believe in God, then using fertility drugs is as much a contravention of God's will as abortion - either way you're using artificial means to control reproduction. Someone please explain to me how you can justify one and not the other.

http://news.aol.com/article/egyptian-woman-gives-birth-to-septuplets/136392?icid=200100397x1207882942x1200420505

It follows the same logic as Christians who only follow parts of the Bible they like.

Apparently god's will is for us to overpopulate the planet as fast as possible...

God's will is whatever the church chooses to say it is at a particular moment.

it depends on what they meant by God's will. the decision of not having an abortion or the idea that they would let God decide if all 7 of the children would survive birth?

now if all 7 were girls...

it depends on what they meant by God's will. the decision of not having an abortion or the idea that they would let God decide if all 7 of the children would survive birth?

now if all 7 were girls...

And what about the idea that taking fertility drugs was somehow in accordance with a hypothetical God's will?

it seems that it would be a good question for her to have asked BEFORE she was pregnant with septs

good lord they took the babies at 8 months and they STILL weighed from 3 to 6 pounds.

i think it was god's will.

You know, this is how twisted some Christians can take this whole "God's Will" thing.

In the Summer of '04, I took some class at a Community College. The guy was also a Baptist preacher at a local church. One day, we started talking about abortion and he was strictly anti-abortion/pro-life. So one of the student asked about what if the woman was raped and had the rapist child. Well apparently, according to this guy, it was God's Will for her to have a child.

Fan-Fucking-Tastic.

And what about the idea that taking fertility drugs was somehow in accordance with a hypothetical God's will?
again, what are they talking about when they say God's Will?
They had their children in a MODERN MEDICAL FACILITY, filled with modern medicines created by science. so again, what do they mean when they said 'Let God's Will prevail'?

it sounded like the survival of the unborn children and the mother were being left up to God, if some of the children didn't survive childbirth (and could not be saved by the doctors there,) then it would be 'God's Will' that some didn't survive.

and can you show me where Fertility Drugs are forbidden by the bible?

awww they are sooo small and cute

er...I mean her choice and I guess I should start watching my mother seeing as how shes always wanted a daughter (I'm such a disappointment :))

Fan-Fucking-Tastic.

well its not like the fetus is somehow different now is it?

well its not like the fetus is somehow different now is it?

Yea but to say that it was God's will for the woman to have a child because the rapist seed impregnated her egg. That's the kind of stuff that should blow your brains out and splatter it against the wall.

es-plode.

You know, this is how twisted some Christians can take this whole "God's Will" thing.

In the Summer of '04, I took some class at a Community College. The guy was also a Baptist preacher at a local church. One day, we started talking about abortion and he was strictly anti-abortion/pro-life. So one of the student asked about what if the woman was raped and had the rapist child. Well apparently, according to this guy, it was God's Will for her to have a child.

Fan-Fucking-Tastic.
of course its the will of god.

too bad baptists arent moslems so they dont have to worry about always following god's will. once saved always saved and all that eh?

You'd think God would be powerful enough to skip the middleman with the 'scripts.

Yea but to say that it was God's will for the woman to have a child because the rapist seed impregnated her egg. That's the kind of stuff that should blow your brains out and splatter it against the wall.

well God works in mysterious ways, maybe the kid will cure piss shivers...or be regular dick which I guess is okay too

yeah its rather easy to argue when I don't have to believe what I'm posting

You'd think God would be powerful enough to skip the middleman with the 'scripts.

God gets stage fright. *nod*

God gets stage fright. *nod*

He can only blame himself for building the stage in the first place.

Just a quick question: Which God's will (or even Who's God's will, if you want) are we talking about?

Because I'm pretty sure that my Gods' (no typo; I'm polytheistic) wills aren't involved in the decision to use fertility drugs or not get the abortions usually medically advised. That was the woman's will.

It follows the same logic as Christians who only follow parts of the Bible they like.

Basically all of them then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnGNOiFll4

You need to hear a letter from God to man.

You know, this is how twisted some Christians can take this whole "God's Will" thing.

In the Summer of '04, I took some class at a Community College. The guy was also a Baptist preacher at a local church. One day, we started talking about abortion and he was strictly anti-abortion/pro-life. So one of the student asked about what if the woman was raped and had the rapist child. Well apparently, according to this guy, it was God's Will for her to have a child.

Fan-Fucking-Tastic.

Next time, ask him if it is God's will if he is to be run over by a vehicle multiple times, leaving nothing but a red, screaming, stain. Ask him from the window of your car for extra points.

Next time, ask him if it is God's will if he is to be run over by a vehicle multiple times, leaving nothing but a red, screaming, stain. Ask him from the window of your car for extra points.

Well I haven't talked to him since '04. Which is good for me, because I don't want my brain to esplode.

God's will is best determined by rolling the bones, or, if you haven't got any bones on hand at a particular moment, overturning the nearest full trashcan.

Does the bible even specifically mention abortions? Or is the whole anti-abortion thing just a loose interpretation of a small part of the bible? Because I'm not even sure if abortions were around back then (they didn't even have coathangers to do it themselves).

Does the bible even specifically mention abortions? Or is the whole anti-abortion thing just a loose interpretation of a small part of the bible? Because I'm not even sure if abortions were around back then (they didn't even have coathangers to do it themselves).

They did have abortions back then. The use of herbal abortificants was common.

"God's Will" is a lying justification for what someone want's to do ayway or an equally lying justification for trying to control someone else's actions.

For me, someone saying it's "God's will" is a good reason to to do the opposite.

"gods will" is open to unlimited opinions. In most wars God is said to want both sides to win. Both sides believe this down to their last fibre of being. Its impossible for both sides to win.

Does the bible even specifically mention abortions? Or is the whole anti-abortion thing just a loose interpretation of a small part of the bible? Because I'm not even sure if abortions were around back then (they didn't even have coathangers to do it themselves).

as for abortion I have never known that word to be in the Bible. If someone can even find that word ill be impressed. But far more literal sayings include that a true believer can not be harmed by any poison. Im sure that there are no religous people in this post willing to test that.

The problem is you have a group of people wanting to be close to god, therefor they deem themselves correct in every regard. Saddly I should go off the net now. Its the day of the sabbath and I have study to do. That means I should be stonned to death according to the bible. If anyone else has worked on a Sunday please do the morally right thing and approach the nearest priest explaining that you must be stoned to death ASAP.

anyone who claims to KNOW "god's will", other then the channelers IT picks once in a thousand years or so, is full of their own ego and not much else.

we can GUESS though. if it wishes us well, we CAN after all extrapolate from that. THIS earth at THIS point in time, damd sure has no shortage of humans.

God's will is beyond our human intellect to understand or realize. It encompasses all events, past present and future in the universe, save those involving free will; it set the laws of nature and science in motion at the beginning of the universe and it governs how the universe acts. At least that's how I was taught it.

I bet God has left everything to his cat. Jesus will be pissed.

If they wanted to have kids why shouldn't they?

God's will is beyond our human intellect to understand or realize

If that is the case NO ONE at any point can say ANYTHING is gods will. Afterall its beyone the human intellect to realize it

Aside from the point I done believe in god, If any religous person was taught that is God's will then they should admit they are as clueless about God's will as that unemployed drunk believing the world is coming to an end down the streat.

Gods will is that everyone should have a talking bannana.

She took fertility drugs so she could have a son. After finding that she was pregant with multiples (common with fertility drugs) she and her family declined to abort some fetuses because they wanted to follow God's will. This strikes me as hypocritical. If you believe in God, then using fertility drugs is as much a contravention of God's will as abortion - either way you're using artificial means to control reproduction. Someone please explain to me how you can justify one and not the other.

http://news.aol.com/article/egyptian-woman-gives-birth-to-septuplets/136392?icid=200100397x1207882942x1200420505

It all depends what about God you belive. I personaly do not belive God wishes us not to use all of the medical advances that we have 'naturly' come to. So I personly see no contradiction here.

If she is a Christian, then I see no contradiction in using medical technolgy to 'go forth and multiply' whilst at the same time, not haveing any abortions on the grounds of 'thou shalt not kill'.