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Yet another bigfoot sighting. But wait! There's a body! :eek:

I doubt it's real, but what do you think about it? Or just bigfoot and all the other creatures in general.

damn, i was all excited until i read that it was found in georgia.

nah. its just a stupid hoax.

Why couldn't there be bigfoot in Georgia? There have been sightings in a lot of places, and I'm sure Georgia still has a few remote areas.

Anyhow, I cant judge the credibillity of this case without knowing more about it, but all in all, Bigfoot is one of the most credible paranormal phenominons.

Gee, there's no chain of custody for the DNA -- no proof of WHAT it came from or where.

Nah, nothing to be skeptical over.

damn, i was all excited until i read that it was found in georgia.

nah. its just a stupid hoax.

Sorry to burst your bubble. :) I think it could be a hoax, like that raccoon thing the other week.

you'd think there would be tons of video/pics of the body and whatnot

Also...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4657122a4560.html

It's just an industry isn't it, people involved in Bigfoot tourism have a vested interest in chucking out an unsubstantiated story now and again knowing the media, which really should know better, will pick it up and run with it.

In a sense, it's a small window on the ridiculous nature of the media, running stories for interest rather than any basis in fact.

There was the story that 4 billion people watched the Olympic opening, every media ran with it - anyone with a modicum of thought would have realised that this was impossible, utterly impossible, yet they ran it not only failing to check facts but without even thinking about the stupidity of that number.

Yet the meme remains, is there a Bigfoot? People will remember 4 billion rather than the correction - Neilsen puts it at 2 billion, which is also a little suspect but certainly fair enough given China's size.

No one checks facts anymore, studies on some papers have shown 70% of news is merely rehashed PR, the figure is rarely below 50% on any newspaper.

EDIT: Gosh, and I thought I was pushing it with 70%...

I commissioned research from specialists at Cardiff University, who surveyed more than 2,000 UK news stories from the four quality dailies (Times, Telegraph, Guardian, Independent) and the Daily Mail. They found two striking things. First, when they tried to trace the origins of their "facts", they discovered that only 12% of the stories were wholly composed of material researched by reporters. With 8% of the stories, they just couldn't be sure. The remaining 80%, they found, were wholly, mainly or partially constructed from second-hand material, provided by news agencies and by the public relations industry. Second, when they looked for evidence that these "facts" had been thoroughly checked, they found this was happening in only 12% of the stories.

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/04/comment.pressandpublishing)

There's been a lot of exaggeration and misdirection about the Olympics.

For instance: the cute little girl singing in the opening ceremony was lip synching, from what I heard on the news. The kid who had the phenomenal voice apparently wasn't cute enough to be seen singing.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Lip-synch_controversy_Olympics_used_girls_voice_not_face/articleshow/3358151.cms

There's been a lot of exaggeration and misdirection about the Olympics.

For instance: the cute little girl singing in the opening ceremony was lip synching, from what I heard on the news. The kid who had the phenomenal voice apparently wasn't cute enough to be seen singing.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Lip-synch_controversy_Olympics_used_girls_voice_not_face/articleshow/3358151.cms

It always happens, remember the false flame at Barcelona, when the archer completely missed the torch yet it lit anyway? LeAnn Rimes lip-synched in '02.

I'd say that some things are blown out of proportion, whereas the two girls underage in gymnastics really is a scandal but, then again, which team doesn't cheat at the Olympics.

The Olympics, for me, is a little like wrestling, at a certain age you realise it's more theatre than sport yet there are some real heroes at the Olympics, ordinary people who have amazing stories, often lost in the pomp and theatrics.

The world is a stage... never more true than now.

Um, this isn't really an Olympics thread. Isn't this rather off-topic?

Um, this isn't really an Olympics thread. Isn't this rather off-topic?

What's the point of discussing Bigfoot, it's a pointless hoax.

The nature of hoaxes might be an interesting discussion, the corruption of media reporting might be an interesting discussion, one might use the Olympics as an example of overt media control compared to self-induced media control...

The least interesting subject here is Bigfoot.

A trolling discussion might be to ask why people need to believe in things such as Bigfoot when there's absolutely no evidence.

Why couldn't there be bigfoot in Georgia? There have been sightings in a lot of places, and I'm sure Georgia still has a few remote areas.

Anyhow, I cant judge the credibillity of this case without knowing more about it, but all in all, Bigfoot is one of the most credible paranormal phenominons.
because there is not a long history of GA bigfoot sightings.

Methinks some New Zealander sheep farmer now raises chimpanzees.

The LAST Bigfoot sighting.

After all, it's dead now.

In California we hunted the Grizzly to extinction, deforestation has caused mountain lions and other predators to occasionally wander into residential areas-but we haven't so much as found a femur from a 9-foot tall primate?

Yeah...just a little skeptical. Discovering a carcass would be a much bigger, more open deal. Unless it was a total scam, of course.

Well, I don't know if this is a real body or not, but a population of Bifgoots (Bigfeet?) do exist all over the world. From America and Canada, to Russia, to China, to Vietnam people have all seen Bigfoot like creatures. Something is out there.

Well, I don't know if this is a real body or not, but a population of Bifgoots (Bigfeet?) do exist all over the world. From America and Canada, to Russia, to China, to Vietnam people have all seen Bigfoot like creatures. Something is out there.

And that something is....

People with similar crazy ideas! Lolololololololoolololooooool.

Nope.

Bigfoot is real.

Meh, there are plenty of undiscovered animals out there. I dunno... If there really is a body, I would want it tested against other animals first, specifically other primates.

Yes. something is out there...
Lots of alcohol and hallucinogenic drugs.

You do know they just found 100000+ new Gorrilas in Africa? There's no reason their can't be large undiscovered mammles, though I'll admit Georgia is not the most likely location.

Yes. something is out there...
Lots of alcohol and hallucinogenic drugs.

Explains the upswing in reported sightings of angels in and after the 1960s. :)

Of course, I have no proof for my assertion, but I would bet on it.

You do know they just found 100000+ new Gorrilas in Africa? There's no reason their can't be large undiscovered mammles, though I'll admit Georgia is not the most likely location.
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gorillas arent a new specie

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gorillas arent a new specie

Not to mention that there is a world of difference between impenetrable forests in Africa and California, much less Georgia.

Not to mention that there is a world of difference between impenetrable forests in Africa and California, much less Georgia.

Gorillas may not be a new species, but a big population of a bigfoot like animal going undiscovered all this time is hardly irrelevant.

As for the remotness, while their are some very remote areas of North America still, no, its not the same. But bigfoot like creatures are hardly a phenominon exclusive to North America. When dealing with the possible existence of such a creature, this is hardly an irrelevant example.

It's dead? How the hell am I supposed to mess with Sasquatch now? :mad:

It's dead? How the hell am I supposed to mess with Sasquatch now? :mad:

Little known fact. Bigfoot and Sasquatch are actually slightly different beings. Sasquatch appeared on commercials willingly, whereas Bigfoot was too much of an elitist to show himself. Something about being revealed to the public "Over my dead body!".

Why couldn't there be bigfoot in Georgia? There have been sightings in a lot of places,

It would have been shot within a week of stepping into Georgia.

It would have been shot within a week of stepping into Georgia.

Uhm... exactly.
It's a corpse.

I have this theory that, as a species, we are lonely as Hell. That's why we invent intelligent creatures other than ourselves. Creatures like Bigfoot, vampires, space aliens, angels, gods ...

I have this theory that, as a species, we are lonely as Hell. That's why we invent intelligent creatures other than ourselves. Creatures like Bigfoot, vampires, space aliens, angels, gods ...

...Fass, magical tooth fairies, non-magical tooth people, the CIA, ISPs, Al Gore, global cooling, the other white meat, biodegradeable sea foam...

Woot, the DNA gets released within 12 hours! :D

...Fass, magical tooth fairies, non-magical tooth people, the CIA, ISPs, Al Gore, global cooling, the other white meat, biodegradeable sea foam...

Yes, all of our invisible friends.

Scientists have proven that the Sasquatch, he is real.

Biscardi, according to LiveScience, has been responsible for at least one Bigfoot hoax before, leading many to take this with an even bigger grain of salt than they normally would.

Game Over.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080814/tc_cnet/83011357731001710236;_ylt=AjD_u7PA.UePhhUqO_lT1SZk24cA

i think my shaggy friends really wish all the damd retarded humans would stop staring at them.

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This site (http://bfro.net/hoax.asp) has some pretty damning evidence that the whole thing is a crock of shit.

Funnily enough, they're a 'legitimate' Bigfoot investigation organisation.

This site (http://bfro.net/hoax.asp) has some pretty damning evidence that the whole thing is a crock of shit.

Funnily enough, they're a 'legitimate' Bigfoot investigation organisation.

the same can be said about every system of organized belief. without requiring a single invisible friend to not exist.

my point isn't that every hoax is real, but rather that unless it actually affects someone's life in some signifigant way, there might be more useful things to care about.

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the same can be said about every system of organized belief. without requiring a single invisible friend to not exist.
Sorry, what can be said?

That it's a crock of shit?

Sorry, what can be said?

That it's a crock of shit?

i hear and see it done all the time. not that any of them have to be either. but rather a million little boys crying wolf don't make the wolf not exist. and they don't make 'the wolf' the 'big bad boogie man' either.

i just think there's two completely different things. what someone says or thinks they know about something, and what may or may not be there.

i see no logical reason not to see these as completely different and utterly unrelated things.

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Explains the upswing in reported sightings of angels in and after the 1960s. :)

Of course, I have no proof for my assertion, but I would bet on it.
It would explain it, at that.

It's dead? How the hell am I supposed to mess with Sasquatch now? :mad:
didn't you know? Jack Links jerky will resurrect him. I know it revives me when I'm on long-distance driving trips...

Uhm... exactly.
It's a corpse.

lol.

This reminds me of when people say, "such and such couldn't be real, or we'd know about it." I always want to point out: "your talking about it right now;)."

Proves nothing, but it always amuses me.

I doubt it's real, but what do you think about it?

It's obviously Janet Reno.

If he exists provide a skeleton of it. Human and primape skeletons can last for thousands of years. There are so many claimed sightings yet not one big bone to prove it.

If this was a claim about an insect that would decay much faster i would probably believe it. But instead this is a money grabbing adventure.

Methinks some New Zealander sheep farmer now raises chimpanzees.

Wouldn't surprise me; with the price of meat and wool, it is not worth it sheep farming these days. Indeed, New Zealand is more famous for cattle now.

Debunked. Bummer.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKN1544880720080815?rpc=401&

Debunked. Bummer.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKN1544880720080815?rpc=401&

Just as long as we remember that proving one sighting a hoax does not equate to proving all sightings hoaxes.

Any chance of these jackasses being charged for fraud? I despise hoaxers who's antics discredit legitimate researchers:upyours:.

I think the likelihood of finding out that any of the sightings are legitimate are roughly equivalent to the likelihood that a man with a magical sled drawn by eight tiny reindeer will land on my roof on December 25th, come down my chimney, and deposit gifts beneath my tree and in my stockings, whether I hang them by the chimney with care or rather haphazardly.

Well, I don't know if this is a real body or not, but a population of Bifgoots (Bigfeet?) do exist all over the world. From America and Canada, to Russia, to China, to Vietnam people have all seen Bigfoot like creatures. Something is out there.
And most civilizations have a creation story involving a great flood, or a variant on the Cinderella story. Does that make them true?

Um, this isn't really an Olympics thread. Isn't this rather off-topic?
We briefly discussed another hoax -- things being presented as truth, which aren't. Seems on topic to me, really.

If he exists provide a skeleton of it. Human and primape skeletons can last for thousands of years. There are so many claimed sightings yet not one big bone to prove it.

If this was a claim about an insect that would decay much faster i would probably believe it. But instead this is a money grabbing adventure.

Does Bigfoot poop in the woods?
Then why have we never found it?

And most civilizations have a creation story involving a great flood, or a variant on the Cinderella story. Does that make them true?

Well most regions of the world have undergone significant flooding since humans have been inhabiting the world- so flood myths are to be expected, and as you say, are quite common.

Are you comparing Cinderalla to Bigfoot?

Have there been 1000s of reports from all over the world seing Cinderalla (and no, not the disney movie)? A living, breathing cinderalla? Of seeing cinderalla tracks? Hearing cinderella howls? I don't think so.

It is only a matter of time before bigfoot is proven to exist. And damn, I want to find one!

Same with many other cryptids...I need money. Lots of it, so I can afford to not work and just go out and camp while looking for these creatures.

*goes and buys a lottery ticket* (a sure-fire way of hitting it big! :D )

Have there been 1000s of reports from all over the world seing Cinderalla (and no, not the disney movie)? A living, breathing cinderalla? Of seeing cinderalla tracks? Hearing cinderella howls? I don't think so.

And yet, not one single body has ever been discovered.

And yet, not one single body has ever been discovered.
Not one body.
Not one scat.

http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/children/cinderella_variants.html

Wow, with so many stories from around the world -- China, India, France, the Algonquin.... Cinderella MUST exist.

And yet, not one single body has ever been discovered.

bigfoots die like yoda and obi-wan

bigfoots die like yoda and obi-wan

:eek:Vader kills them?