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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation

I've recently read about micronations and about the Montevideo Convention which states

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Basically meaning that I can make my house into my own country.

I have changed my mind and fully support this (along with Free Tibet and Ossetia) as I will found my own micronation because then I won't have to pay taxes.

Good luck.

*Founds own microstate* Woo!!:D

Basically meaning that I can make my house into my own country.

I have changed my mind and fully support this (along with Free Tibet and Ossetia) as I will found my own micronation because then I won't have to pay taxes.

Sounds good to me, except I wouldn't know what to call it. "Petoria" is already taken, after all. :tongue:

wasn't there a family guy about this? :tongue:

wasn't there a family guy about this? :tongue:

yep.See the above post.

Actually it's a little more complicated. You can only do it without being embroiled in a legal war (as in, it's legal for the other country to wage war against you) if there are no pre-existing claims for sovereignty over the land. Sealand got away with it (to some degree) as the tower was outside UK territorial waters and the UK had neglected to make an official claim for it until it was too late.

Since your house is within an existing sovereign state, your existing sovereign has the right to defend their territory. Because the actual land belongs to you does not give you sovereignty over it.

Actually it's a little more complicated. You can only do it without being embroiled in a legal war (as in, it's legal for the other country to wage war against you) if there are no pre-existing claims for sovereignty over the land. Sealand got away with it (to some degree) as the tower was outside UK territorial waters and the UK had neglected to make an official claim for it until it was too late.

Since your house is within an existing sovereign state, your existing sovereign has the right to defend their territory. Because the actual land belongs to you does not give you sovereignty over it.

I don't know. Some guy in the middle of Nevada made his own country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation

I've recently read about micronations and about the Montevideo Convention which states



Basically meaning that I can make my house into my own country.

I have changed my mind and fully support this (along with Free Tibet and Ossetia) as I will found my own micronation because then I won't have to pay taxes.

Keep thinking that; the IRS is notorious for its lack of sense of humor.

Keep thinking that; the IRS is notorious for its lack of sense of humor.

J/k... I probably won't... the legal fees are horrendous. If I wanted to not pay taxes, I would just leave the country.

EDIT: I wonder if I'm allowed to stand in front of the IRS building and flick them off. Jeff Dunham has provided me with an interesting idea.

Since your house is within an existing sovereign state, your existing sovereign has the right to defend their territory. Because the actual land belongs to you does not give you sovereignty over it.

If anybody needs some assistance in their war against their former country I know a few good mercenary groups which will be happy to provide you with the defence force that you need, for a fee of course.

Actually there is a micronation in Australia that has been at war with Australia for quite awhile now i think it started in the 1970's not that Australia has sent any troops in but still something to think about. I think the guy declared Independence because he wasn't happy with the taxes he wanted to pay.

Sealand is the only micronation that comes close to meeting those quals. The big one is recognition. Sealand qualifies under 1 and 2, and 3 is a question mark. Prince Roy argues they have been de facto recognised by the UK and Germany, due to court decisions and negotiations. http://www.sealandnews.com/sealands-sovereignty/

I seem to recall something from NATO as well.

I would declare my micronation to be the Free Republic of New Canada. My national politics will be libertarian, except on economic issues, where I am a Socialist.

I would pay taxes as tribute to the Government of Canada, in order to prevent the diplomatic incident known as an audit.

Actually there is a micronation in Australia that has been at war with Australia for quite awhile now i think it started in the 1970's not that Australia has sent any troops in but still something to think about. I think the guy declared Independence because he wasn't happy with the taxes he wanted to pay.

That would be The Hutt River Principality, formerly the Hutt River Province. 5 families seceded from Australia, citing the 1495 Treason Act, in response to the wheat board's threat to take their farms about 40 years ago.

That would be The Hutt River Principality, formerly the Hutt River Province. 5 families seceded from Australia, citing the 1495 Treason Act, in response to the wheat board's threat to take their farms about 40 years ago.

Yep and they're still here. They sell stamps. Stamps!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation

I've recently read about micronations and about the Montevideo Convention which states



Basically meaning that I can make my house into my own country.

I have changed my mind and fully support this (along with Free Tibet and Ossetia) as I will found my own micronation because then I won't have to pay taxes.
I guess you didn't hear about the fact that since the nation you live in owns it already, you can't claim it legally. You'll get your ass legally invaded.

By that measure the only "Legal" micronation is Sealand.

I guess you didn't hear about the fact that since the nation you live in owns it already, you can't claim it legally. You'll get your ass legally invaded.

By that measure the only "Legal" micronation is Sealand.

Secession may be legal in certain cases. The Hutt River case is an example of the argument. It's based on an old law that is still on the books AFAIK, and some loopholes and technicalities.

http://www.hutt-river.org/history.htm

Bio, do you have any of their stamps?

Secession may be legal in certain cases. The Hutt River case is an example of the argument. It's based on an old law that is still on the books AFAIK, and some loopholes and technicalities.

http://www.hutt-river.org/history.htm

Bio, do you have any of their stamps?

Haha, no, nor their passpors. It's ridiculously far away... although my best friend has always wanted to go on a Road Trip, might write this one down for future.

This; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_Australian_States and this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionism_in_Western_Australia might be interesting. I actually have a short novella written by someone from my uni about WA seceeding. For some reason it's seems to be very popular with wealthy conservatives.

Internationally recognizing micronations is not a good idea, I think. Eventually everyone wants to be their own king, and you end up with anarchy. I completely fail to see the point of regional separatism anyway except for those cases where the inhabitants are truly oppressed.

There are, btw, also a large number of micronations that are non-secessionist, i.e., they don't focus on getting independent and recognized by the international community (which is an illusion anyway), but focus on the internal functioning of a nation (governments, politics and all that). Pretty much similar to what many regions do here in NationStates, if you like (due to political rivalry between secessionists and non-secessionists you won't find anything on them in wikipedia... micronations.net is a good starting place)

That would be The Hutt River Principality, formerly the Hutt River Province. 5 families seceded from Australia, citing the 1495 Treason Act, in response to the wheat board's threat to take their farms about 40 years ago.

Yeah cheers, the name I couldn't remember as this one is in West Australia and there is another one in New South Wales.

Haha, no, nor their passpors. It's ridiculously far away... although my best friend has always wanted to go on a Road Trip, might write this one down for future.

This; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_Australian_States and this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionism_in_Western_Australia might be interesting. I actually have a short novella written by someone from my uni about WA seceeding. For some reason it's seems to be very popular with wealthy conservatives.

Road trip is a GREAT idea, I must put it on the list and try to organise a few people to do it.