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Do you vote for a candidate or against a candidate? Try to be honest with yourself. Try to be honest with us. Try the tacos; they're delightful. :)

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I have to vote because of my sacred duty and responsibility to help elect leaders who will guide our country and our community to progress and to a better future.

Sadly, I am a disfranchised voter, I am not able to vote.

I'm not at the moment, cause I no longer live in the country I get to vote in and voting in their elections would seem dishonest.
And the country I live in, I can't yet vote in. I'd have to lay down around 700 Euros for citizenship, and that's an awful lot of money really. I might do it eventually, but not right now.

While I was still voting, I only voted for people whose politics I agreed with (which left me without choices in the end, really, after the Green Party had abandonned one of their most fundamental points...)

I think both major candidates are wretched scoundrels so I'm voting for a third party.

I've never been convinced that Obama is the ideal Democratic candidate, but the thought of McCain in the White House scares the shit out of me, so I'll be voting against McCain by voting for Obama.

I've toyed with the idea of voting 3rd party, but the race in this state will be very close, so I'll stick with Obama unless he implodes down the stretch.

I can't vote because I'm not American. But if I were, I would, because I think you've got two quality candidates - the best that were on offer at the start of the primaries at least. I don't know who I would vote for though. I don't usually make my mind up about that osrt of thing until closer to the time. I'm not a party person, canididates rarely reflect my views closesly and those that do are usually so obscure to make them pretty useless anyway.

McCain is the most experienced Democrat running in this election.

I'm too foreign.

But I don't go out of my way to vote, anyway. If I do, I do; if not, I won't lose any sleep.

i am voting for obama because i like him.

I'm too young, but if I could, I'd be voting for... Bob Barr. *Washes mouth out with soap* in a desperate effort to stop both Obama and McCain from becoming president.

As the oppressive Americans do not allow foreigners to vote, I wont be.
Although I wouldn't vote for anyone anyways.

As the oppressive Americans do not allow foreigners to vote, I wont be.
Although I wouldn't vote for anyone anyways.

Tell you what: Get everyone in your country to admit that they are part of the United States and that the President of the United States is your leader and the Commander in Chief of your country's armed forces...and pay taxes... then you can vote. :)

I'll be voting in the US election illegally so either prohibition or the American Nazi party please

Tell you what: Get everyone in your country to admit that they are part of the United States and that the President of the United States is your leader and the Commander in Chief of your country's armed forces...and pay taxes... then you can vote. :)

without obeying any laws? *starts putting tacks in Americas tea like the good old days*

without obeying any laws? *starts putting tacks in Americas tea like the good old days*

I see... well then, we'll have to find you a comfy orange jumpsuit and a nice little place to call your own in the warm cuban sun. :)

Unless I vote for Obama in my state, my vote doesn't count. I'll still vote, but I'm undecided as to who.

Unless I vote for Obama in my state, my vote doesn't count. I'll still vote, but I'm undecided as to who.
i think it always counts.

in the flush of victory maybe no one cares how close the vote was but when deciding what programs and policies to push... if the vote was close even in the blue states he has to take that into consideration.

no sense letting him think that everyone agrees with him--look what that has done to bush.

i think it always counts.

in the flush of victory maybe no one cares how close the vote was but when deciding what programs and policies to push... if the vote was close even in the blue states he has to take that into consideration.

no sense letting him think that everyone agrees with him--look what that has done to bush.

I'll vote. I just hate living in a state that doesn't count, and having a vote that doesn't count unless I vote Democrat. Just whining aout the electoral college. I know, that's so 2000.:P

I'm too foreign, although if I could vote I'd vote for Obama just so we wouldn't have four years of Dubya the third.

And where is the option "I'm not voting because I'm not from the USA?"

No, no, that option is not in the poll, no, really, it isn't, 'cause foreign I ain't, you USians all are! ;)

I'm too foreign AND LG stole my clothes :(

I'm cold :(

And where is the option "I'm not voting because I'm not from the USA?"

No, no, that option is not in the poll, no, really, it isn't, 'cause foreign I ain't, you USians all are! ;)
Americans. We're (As far as I know, my Geography is a bit rusty) the only country in America with AMERICA in our name. /endthreadjack

I'm too foreign AND LG stole my clothes :(

I'm cold :(

Shrinkage?

Shrinkage?

Epic shrinkage. That or it fell off.

I'm in what will be a battleground state (PA). I will be voting for McCain, not because I particularly like him, but because I dislike him less than I dislike Obama.

I don't like my options. :(

My vote for Obama won't count in my state, but I'm voting for Obama anyway.

Epic shrinkage. That or it fell off.

You went from 'outie' to 'innie'?

I'm voting because I turned 18 a little over a month ago. I'm also learning to drive a Manual. That had nothing to do with voting, but I wanted to brag about it.

Anyway, I'll be voting for the Obamanation instead of Gramps, 'cuz I prefer Obama's policies and McCain scares the shit out of me--though if Bush provided 8 years of fun and humor, what'll McCain give us?

Because people pay me good money to wander from voting booth to voting booth with fake IDs and a change of clothes.

You went from 'outie' to 'innie'?

Exactly.

I vote due to some outdated and silly notion of "civic duty" and a desperate need to cling to the illusion that I can somehow make a difference without going into full time politics and/or selling my soul.

I'm voting because it's my god given right to write in Ron Paul.

Like many this election I'm voting against Obama and for McCain. In a non-swing state, I probably wouldn't vote, but hey they actually count mine.

The problem is, in '04, no one voted for Kerry, they just voted against Bush. A lack of real support behind McCain could lead to depressed turnout :(

I'm voting because it's my god given right to write in Ron Paul.

*Revokes right*

You're welcome -_-

I really don't know who to vote for. I don't like either candidates. Initially, I was going to vote for Hillary Clinton (yea yea, say what you'd like), but obviously she didn't win the nomination... so we'll see what happens.

I'm voting because it's my god given right to write in Ron Paul.

God writes laws in America :confused:

I am voting against Obama because I am still bummed that Ronny did not make it.

:(

I'll vote. I just hate living in a state that doesn't count, and having a vote that doesn't count unless I vote Democrat. Just whining aout the electoral college. I know, that's so 2000.:P

I think I'm in the same position as you. it sucks...

I really don't know who to vote for. I don't like either candidates. Initially, I was going to vote for Hillary Clinton (yea yea, say what you'd like), but obviously she didn't win the nomination... so we'll see what happens.

neither has Obama, everyone thinks he will though. Of course you never know, but it seems most likely. I've heard a few things that she may try to pull something during the convention, but I doubt theres much to do to change Obama being the nominee.

I'm so discouraged over our choices this year and I don't think I can stand the idea of voting for either McCain or Obama and may just hold my nose and vote for Ron Paul.

I'm so discouraged over our choices this year and I don't think I can stand the idea of voting for either McCain or Obama and may just hold my nose and vote for Ron Paul.

hmm. I'm kinda divided on this, I definitely don't want Obama to win, but at the same item McCain isn't that great either. I guess I should vote for who I really want, since my vote won't change the election here, as we always go democrat and we're a winner take all state.

I vote because I operate under the delusion that my vote matters, even though it comprises .001% of the country. I still feel like I'm accomplishing something though, when I cast my vote.

God writes laws in America :confused:

No, but it is every person's right to vote for whoever he wants, so in a sense it is a "god given" right.

Just an expression...

And Gravlen, no.

No, but it is every person's right to vote for whoever he wants, so in a sense it is a "god given" right.

Just an expression...

Awwww, that would have been cool.

hmm. I'm kinda divided on this, I definitely don't want Obama to win, but at the same item McCain isn't that great either. I guess I should vote for who I really want, since my vote won't change the election here, as we always go democrat and we're a winner take all state.
you need to use a little strategic thinking.

you vote against obama to buid up mccain or to build up a 3rd party.

if you like the republicans you should still vote for mccain even when you know he will lose. the closer the vote the more the winner has to think about that.

if you dont like the republicans you should vote for the 3rd party candidate that most reflects your opinions in an effort to help them buld for the future.

is it just me or do the elections in the us last too long?

I vote for whoever identifies with my political ideology.

is it just me or do the elections in the us last too long?

The campaigns do, yes, however the election only last for one day.

I'm not gonna vote 'cuz I don't wanna partake in America screwing itself over (all the candidates suck).

The campaigns do, yes, however the election only last for one day.

i meant the campaigns,here in finland we have three elections,presidential, Parliamentary and the city council election.presidential campaigning lasts maybe couple months.
here's the wiki article on the president of finland:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_finland

is it just me or do the elections in the us last too long?
very much too long. this one has been going on since about.....january '05.

Neither of the candidates is worthy of my vote-though I will be emigrating should Obama win.

Neither of the candidates is worthy of my vote-though I will be emigrating should Obama win.

I hope Obama wins, just to see if you're really emigrate.

I emigrated when Blair won in the UK. Here I can't vote - just pay taxes.

I'm too young, but if I could, I'd be voting for... Bob Barr. *Washes mouth out with soap* in a desperate effort to stop both Obama and McCain from becoming president.

Yeah, like that will help. You silly bugger!

Neither of the candidates is worthy of my vote-though I will be emigrating should Obama win.
maybe you can take over alec baldwin's lease.

Do you vote for a candidate or against a candidate? Try to be honest with yourself. Try to be honest with us. Try the tacos; they're delightful. :)

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I vote for the person that I feel can do the job.

and what I don't do is say Who I'm voting for.

there, I've been honest... now GIVE ME BACK MY CLOTHES DAMN YOU!

Obama's a liberal, and McCain's a neo-con.

Fuck no.

Write in someone better who wont destroy our rights, such as Ron Paul.

*Dons flame suit, and engages anti-political argument shield*

Or if your a crazy Christian vote huckabee.

I'll vote. I just hate living in a state that doesn't count, and having a vote that doesn't count unless I vote Democrat. Just whining aout the electoral college. I know, that's so 2000.:P

Replace Democrat with Republican and you've got Alabama. Obama should get at least 40% though, which is pretty high for a democrat here lately, due to all the black votes.

Epic shrinkage. That or it fell off.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13867702&postcount=76
A sad day indeed! :(

The campaigns do, yes, however the election only last for one day.
Fuckin' popularity contests. Very little good comes of most of those types of contests.

First off, I want to say that I love this poll—not only does it allow you to specify why you are voting which way (I am voting for McCain, but not to vote for McCain but against Obama), but also actually allowed reservation for extra-nationals, which means a poll is not skewed by a whole bunch of people who can’t vote in the relevant election. Or at least skewed less.

I have my major problems with McCain, being a true blue ideological American conservative, but his recent pandering has allowed me to believe that I will merely be holding my nose, rather than also suppressing my gag reflex, when I pull the lever for him. Also, it depends on who he picks for VP.

However, given his opponent, there was never much question that I would in fact vote for him. If he were facing someone who was not much worse than him, I would definitely not back him up, as the further decimation of the Republican brand (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26622) would hardly be worth a few judges and avoiding foreign genocide. Also, but for his recent rightward adjustments, our Rockefeller friends could then say that the party can win elections without us conservatives at the helm, and then we’re back to the ‘60s and ‘70s. And I don’t think anyone wants that.

McCain is the most experienced Democrat running in this election.

Well put; I must say, I have not seen a position with which I have agreed more this election season.

Obama's a liberal, and McCain's a neo-con.

Fuck no.

Write in someone better who wont destroy our rights, such as Ron Paul.

*Dons flame suit, and engages anti-political argument shield*

Or if your a crazy Christian vote huckabee.

Hey, I take offense at that last part! You know, being a crazy Christian, I don’t want to be lumped in with the Hucksters. Or Hucktards, or whatever you want to call them.

Ron Paul was an interesting candidate, and I had several friends whose views on important matters I respected who were hard over for him. Quite honestly, on paper, I support most of what he stands for, and in different, what should be typical circumstances nearly everything he stands for. However, oftentimes when he would talk he would say the sorts of buzz phrases which immediately set off alarms for me, such as his appraisal of Huckabee (“when Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and bearing a cross”), which brings to mind those on the left who have the unfortunate tendency to unjustly label their ideological opponents fascists.

This doesn’t really matter anymore, though.

For McCain, rather than against Obama. I may not be impressed by Obama, but nothing I've read about him or seen makes me think he's a bad guy. As scripted and choreographed everything about him is, I can at least believe that he says what he does in earnest, unlike a few of the other Democrats (Hildog, John Edwards) and a couple Republicans I can think of (esp. Romney). He and McCain are both, at the very least, men of conscience.

I'm too foreign.

Obama's a radical liberal, and McCain's a liberal.

Fuck no.

Write in someone better who wont destroy our rights, such as Ron Paul.

*Dons flame suit, and engages anti-political argument shield*

Or if your a crazy Christian vote huckabee.

Fixed.

Ron Paul, btw, had/has about as much an effect on the election as you or I declaring ourselves candidates would.

And a third party will never start in American politics for ONE simple reason: the two parties are already 80-90% the same. There is NO issue that doesn't fall into the 10-20% difference gap which CAN be addressed by a third party!

Think about it. *Any* issue, one side or the other is close enough to the average person that they're okay with voting with that side. And the fascist zealots like the MoveOn Dems or the Born Again Christian GOPs wouldn't ever vote for a different party anyway.

I think it's unpatriotic to vote... If you vote, you give legitimacy to the crooks up in Washington DC.

Because I hate freedom.

I'm voting FOR Obama

and if someone can explain why liberal is being used as a swear word?

Yeah, like that will help. You silly bugger!

*Sniff* Everyone's so mean to me! *runs away crying*:p

I'm voting FOR Obama

and if someone can explain why liberal is being used as a swear word?

Because liberals eat aborted fetuses. *nod*

Write in someone better who wont destroy our rights, such as Ron Paul.
Eh, no.

To secure his libertarian state, he wants vast amounts of state investment, especially in gold stocks. That's BS and all of his voters should know and understand that.

and if someone can explain why liberal is being used as a swear word?
Reagan :tongue:

I decided a while ago not to vote against candidates but for, so I voted for third party candidates. Obama I can vote for, which should not be taken as "I agree with him 100% and he can do no wrong." That's stupid. But I like his approach and that I can disagree with him.

McCain is far from the perfect candidate, but Barack Obama is far too dangerous to be let anywhere near the White House.

I'm voting because I want a sticker. :)

To secure his libertarian state, he wants vast amounts of state investment, especially in gold stocks.

I don't think that is necessarily true; do you have a source?

McCain is far from the perfect candidateMore the Manchurian Candidate, really.
Barack Obama is far too dangerous to be let anywhere near the White House.
You're still cute. :) Why would that be, exactly?

This is the second time I've scrolled past this thread and read the subject as "Why are you vomiting?" That's all I want to say.

Reagan :tongue:
True, that.
As pointed out in Grand Theft Auto, it's because actors make the best liars. They do it professionally!

I have my major problems with McCain, being a true blue ideological American conservative, but his recent pandering has allowed me to believe that I will merely be holding my nose, rather than also suppressing my gag reflex, when I pull the lever for him. Also, it depends on who he picks for VP. However, given his opponent, there was never much question that I would in fact vote for him.

This pretty much explains my position as well.

and if someone can explain why liberal is being used as a swear word?

When he was alive, my grandfather wouldn't use the word 'liberal' if there were children in the room. He'd say 'motherfuckers' instead.

McCain is the most experienced Democrat running in this election.

Indeed. He is a better Democrat than Obama. I have no issue voting for a Democrat but Obama is unqualified, unexperienced, and a leftist. McCain is definitely not my choice but is a far better person, personally, than Obama.

I'm voting FOR Obama

and if someone can explain why liberal is being used as a swear word?

Depends on who is saying it and how it is used. Some here use Conservative as a swear word. For others the word is Christian. Liberal may sound nice and liberals would like it to mean nice things but liberal has now become everything Classical Liberals would argue against.

I'm voting for Obama - I hope that the Republican party as a whole is able to learn about things like compromise and reconciliation because all of Obamas efforts to unify our country and bring about positive changes that the majority can agree on will mean nothing if the Republicans are too butt hurt about Obamas win to work with those across the isle.

Looking into my crystal ball - I don't really expect to see the majority of Republicans doing anything other than stomping their feet and throwing tantrums, trying to smear the Democrats at every turn rather than working with them for what's best for the country. I'm betting that their corporate overlords would never go for that after all.

I'd like to see it though. With bipartisan efforts being made on most of our countries major issues, I bet that we'd heal some deep wounds while passing some important legislation quickly and everyone would be able to pat themselves on the back.

I'm voting for Obama - I hope that the Republican party as a whole is able to learn about things like compromise and reconciliation because all of Obamas efforts to unify our country and bring about positive changes that the majority can agree on will mean nothing if the Republicans are too butt hurt about Obamas win to work with those across the isle.

Looking into my crystal ball - I don't really expect to see the majority of Republicans doing anything other than stomping their feet and throwing tantrums, trying to smear the Democrats at every turn rather than working with them for what's best for the country. I'm betting that their corporate overlords would never go for that after all.

I'd like to see it though. With bipartisan efforts being made on most of our countries major issues, I bet that we'd heal some deep wounds while passing some important legislation quickly and everyone would be able to pat themselves on the back.

Switch around Republican with Democrat and you will see the last 8 years. Luckily, we will continue the Democrat boo-hooing because Obama will not win. Hell, he might not even be the Democrat candidate for President! Hillary is starting up her shenanigans in Denver already.

When he was alive, my grandfather wouldn't use the word 'liberal' if there were children in the room. He'd say 'motherfuckers' instead.Hoping for a "traditional value" to impart, no doubt.
Future generations and legacies .....

I think both major candidates are wretched scoundrels so I'm voting for a third party.

I totally agree with you... i only wish i could vote so i could vote for third party

I'm wondering how many of the 14 people who are voting against Obama by voting for McCain are doing so because they actually disagree with Obama's policies...and how many are simply doing so because they think Obama is a terrorist-blacksupremacist-nazi-communist-elitist.

...I'm surprised I'm still the only one in my voting category.

I'm wondering how many of the 14 people who are voting against Obama by voting for McCain are doing so because they actually disagree with Obama's policies...and how many are simply doing so because they think Obama is a terrorist-blacksupremacist-nazi-communist-elitist.

...I'm surprised I'm still the only one in my voting category.

I can assure you, I disagree with about 66% of Obama's policies. While he has some good ideas... (illegal immigration, standardized testing in schools, exempt small business from capital gains, fair trade instead of free trade, fix predatory loans/mortgage fraud, tax credits for families to send kids to college, renewable energy...),

most of his other ones are not... (adding 18 billion a year to the education budget, expiration of Bush tax cuts, estate taxes, corporate taxes, no fix for AMT, stronger unions, EVERYTHING can be fixed via diplomacy, no fix to Social Security, tie minimum wage to inflation, provide a federally funded match on retirement savings for families earning below $75,000, REDUCE electrical use by 15%... no/almost no to new nuclear power).

Same reason I played with "color by numbers" books as a kid.

I'm voting third party because neither candidate has really addressed helping students.

Mmm... Tacos.

hmm. I'm kinda divided on this, I definitely don't want Obama to win, but at the same item McCain isn't that great either. I guess I should vote for who I really want, since my vote won't change the election here, as we always go democrat and we're a winner take all state.

We're not a winner take all state (us and Nebraska). Maine will go for Obama (as will I), but my district (the 2nd) is "redder" than the 1st district, and it's usually fairly close here (Portland and Augusta go overwhelmingly Dem). In '92, this district nearly went to Perot.