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It is commonly understood that judicial experts such as lawyers value money higher than justice, profiting at the expense of others. However, although the ethical shortcomings of the aforementioned group might be explained by the overrepresentation of psychopaths in such professions according to forensic experts, it seldom ceases to surprise one how few complaints are directed towards those involved in medical branches such as psychology and psychiatry, overdiagnosing mostly healthy individuals to suit the needs of their own failing ego (and bleeding pocket!).

This question has probably been asked multiple times, but has it ever occured to you how these gods in white are rapidly constructing a new bastion of medical corruption? I have relentlessly pursued my goal of erasing a few stains on my files, since one doctor raised her eyebrows upon listening to my tale, not mentioning the facial expressions of lots of dumbfounded acquaintances. Yet, whenever you find a suitable mental health professional, they desperatly consult their DSM-IV bible to look for a glitch, and if none is found they ask you to look elsewhere in the maze, putting me back at square one! :mad:

Comments from someone with experience of this are much appreciated (with hints on how to effectively manipulate the lady in the chair in front of you). ;)

Wtf?...........

Frakking scilons!

Praise Xenu.

What are your crimes???

It is commonly understood that judicial experts such as lawyers value money higher than justice, profiting at the expense of others. However, although the ethical shortcomings of the aforementioned group might be explained by the overrepresentation of psychopaths in such professions according to forensic experts, it seldom ceases to surprise one how few complaints are directed towards those involved in medical branches such as psychology and psychiatry, overdiagnosing mostly healthy individuals to suit the needs of their own failing ego (and bleeding pocket!).


Ya what?

Firstly, we can only hypothesise about the amount of psychopaths within lawyer and politician populations, since they are quite reluctant to let us study them (and you do realise these "Forensic Experts" are psychologists right?).

Secondly, yes, there can be a problem with over-diagnosis, and certainly, as a psychologist, I do firmly believe that drugs are used far more often than they should be. But nonetheless, psychologist and psychiatrists are well-regulated and there are very strict codes of ethics. Like medical doctors (and Psychiatrists are also medical doctors), there will always be a few bad apples, but 90% of the profession are made up of people who genuinely want to help. Try seeing a schizophrenic in the middle of an acute psychotic episode before saying that mental illness is all made up.

Thirdly, Hail Xenu.

Praise Xenu.

Thank you. Praise me.

Tom Cruise comes to NSG!

How do you know it's him and not a lackey?

How do you know it's him and not a lackey?

I dunno, maybe we should measure the height of his posts?

How do you know it's him and not a lackey?

He posted from a closet?

He posted from a closet?

Everyone knows that Tom Cruise has lackeys in the closet for myriad purposes as well. :p

So, uh, why were you hauled in front of a pshrink? Court order, mayhaps?

Dr Irvin D. Yalom appears to be an excellent psychotherapist.

I would highly recommend his book "Love's Executioner" (ISBN: 0-14-012846-8).
Linky (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Loves-Executioner-Psychotherapy-Penguin-Psychology/dp/0140128468)

The world is far nicer place to live in once you admit you are insane.

So, if I understand the OP right... it's, "cry, sob, wail... BAWL; oh woe is me!" and he's in emo mode because he doesn't like that he's not sane. TS. Welcome to the real world. Every last one of us is messed up in some way and you know what? No one is truly sane in this world. Those of us who appear to be are only really good at deception.

Of course there's a conspiracy. It's worldwide. See, when you complete your PsyD program, you also get indoctrinated into a sekrit society. Kind of like Skull and Bones, only with gorrillas instead of coffins. And the lawyers are part of this conspiracy. Ever wonder why the insanity plea is so common?

This is also the same group that controls the doctors. Oh come on! it's 2008, how on earth can they not cure cancer! And all the pills they give you, because you go and see them because you have symptoms? Puh-leeze! Why don't they just dance around me with snakes to cure my indigestion? I'll tell you why! They can't put me on pills, that's why! How else can they make their money???

I'll give you no hints. Because prolly most of these hints will lead you to getting your necessary risperidone, prochlorperazine, and if we fancy, electroshock treatment. If you don't comply, then we'll just prolly mix flunitrazepam in your food so we can maintain you on your required meds. And oh, don't make us mad - we have access to succinylcholine and potassium chloride. :p

The world is far nicer place to live in once you admit you are insane.
Denial is the the first stage to acceptance. But s/he's already in anger stage.:p

This is also the same group that controls the doctors. Oh come on! it's 2008, how on earth can they not cure cancer! And all the pills they give you, because you go and see them because you have symptoms? Puh-leeze! Why don't they just dance around me with snakes to cure my indigestion? I'll tell you why! They can't put me on pills, that's why! How else can they make their money???
By poisoning you with arsenic. :eek: Because people who expose our conspiracy will have to die! :eek: ;) :)

But we need psychologists! How else will we identify the sane for removal from society?

So, if I understand the OP right... it's, "cry, sob, wail... BAWL; oh woe is me!" and he's in emo mode because he doesn't like that he's not sane. TS. Welcome to the real world. Every last one of us is messed up in some way and you know what? No one is truly sane in this world. Those of us who appear to be are only really good at deception.

Nonono. The ones who believe themselves completely sane and normal are the weird ones.

But we need psychologists! How else will we identify the sane for removal from society?

Their sensible shoes will surely give them away.

Their sensible shoes will surely give them away.

*hands you a PhD in psychology*

It is commonly understood that judicial experts such as lawyers value money higher than justice, profiting at the expense of others. However, although the ethical shortcomings of the aforementioned group might be explained by the overrepresentation of psychopaths in such professions according to forensic experts, it seldom ceases to surprise one how few complaints are directed towards those involved in medical branches such as psychology and psychiatry, overdiagnosing mostly healthy individuals to suit the needs of their own failing ego (and bleeding pocket!).

This question has probably been asked multiple times, but has it ever occured to you how these gods in white are rapidly constructing a new bastion of medical corruption? I have relentlessly pursued my goal of erasing a few stains on my files, since one doctor raised her eyebrows upon listening to my tale, not mentioning the facial expressions of lots of dumbfounded acquaintances. Yet, whenever you find a suitable mental health professional, they desperatly consult their DSM-IV bible to look for a glitch, and if none is found they ask you to look elsewhere in the maze, putting me back at square one! :mad:

Comments from someone with experience of this are much appreciated (with hints on how to effectively manipulate the lady in the chair in front of you). ;)

Actually mate, having read that rant, I think you should do exactly what you psychologist tells you XD

Tom Cruise comes to NSG!

Well, you just made my day.

PSYCHOLOGISTS ARE TAKING OVER THE WORLD! JUST LIKE IN BATTLEFIELD EARTH! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Nonono. The ones who believe themselves completely sane and normal are the weird ones.

.......

*strips naked and jumps into a nearby vat of oats and frolics*

See, I'm perfectly in the sane... *laughs like a mad woman* Perfectly... INsane!

I'm a little sceptical about the amount of professionalism in psychotherapy, from what I hear there are way too many psuedo-diagnoses going on with not very much flexibility, but I don't know enough yet.

.......

*strips naked and jumps into a nearby vat of oats and frolics*

See, I'm perfectly in the sane... *laughs like a mad woman* Perfectly... INsane!

:fluffle:

lol wut :D

:fluffle:

I see you added your own emphasis... ;) naughty boy!

:fluffle:

I see you added your own emphasis... ;) naughty boy!

:fluffle:

I quoted it as I read it :)

So, uh, why were you hauled in front of a pshrink? Court order, mayhaps?

Thank you. I was trying to come up with a better way to say "he doth protest too much, methinks" without resorting to that stale phrase.

I have my extreme doubts about branches of psychology/psychiatry that don't involve tested and repeatable hypotheses and observable results (which is why I'm okay with behavioral psych). But the whole Freudian, correlation = causality nature of psycho analysis really bears a healthy skepticism.

.......

*strips naked and jumps into a nearby vat of oats and frolics*

See, I'm perfectly in the sane... *laughs like a mad woman* Perfectly... INsane!

Tom Robbins called.

He wants to use your idea for a new flavor of Quaker Instant Oatmeal:

Peachfishes and cream.

I'm a little sceptical about the amount of professionalism in psychotherapy, from what I hear there are way too many psuedo-diagnoses going on with not very much flexibility, but I don't know enough yet.

Over-prescription of brain-chemical-altering drugs promoted by gigantic pharmaceutical companies, FTL.

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*strips naked and jumps into a nearby vat of oats and frolics*

See, I'm perfectly in the sane... *laughs like a mad woman* Perfectly... INsane!

See what I mean?

Over-prescription of brain-chemical-altering drugs promoted by gigantic pharmaceutical companies, FTL.

True that, promotions for those types of drugs are spilling over to family doctors too. My family doctor put me on an antidepressant for panic attacks of all things. I didn't even know general physicians could prescribe such things. Needless to say I stopped taking that crap after a week, I couldn't stand feeling like the walking dead.

True that, promotions for those types of drugs are spilling over to family doctors too. My family doctor put me on an antidepressant for panic attacks of all things. I didn't even know general physicians could prescribe such things. Needless to say I stopped taking that crap after a week, I couldn't stand feeling like the walking dead.

Antidepressants take more than a week to take effect.

Antidepressants take more than a week to take effect.
^This. I'm of the opinion that, while mental disorders are over-diagnosed and the corresponding drugs over-prescribed (particularly for depression), psychiatrists and psychologists aren't deliberately ebil. A little too zealous about their profession perhaps but ultimately in the right. Sometimes just saying 'get a grip' would be good in the place of SSRIs, though :p

^This. I'm of the opinion that, while mental disorders are over-diagnosed and the corresponding drugs over-prescribed (particularly for depression), psychiatrists and psychologists aren't deliberately ebil. A little too zealous about their profession perhaps but ultimately in the right. Sometimes just saying 'get a grip' would be good in the place of SSRIs, though :p

I agree. When I went to my GP with symptoms resembling depression he said he would put prozac in the water if he could. He prescribed them and it took over a year before we found out what was actually wrong.

If some tests had been done before jumping to conclusions I would have avoided a very unpleasant year.

^This. I'm of the opinion that, while mental disorders are over-diagnosed and the corresponding drugs over-prescribed (particularly for depression), psychiatrists and psychologists aren't deliberately ebil. A little too zealous about their profession perhaps but ultimately in the right. Sometimes just saying 'get a grip' would be good in the place of SSRIs, though :p

Interestingly, although GPs can prescribe anti-depressants, and other psychiatric drugs, psychologists can't, since they aren't medical doctors. Unfortunately this means that most psychological medications are prescribed by non-experts who are not always aware of the relevant effectiveness of what they are giving.

Coming from a psychological (ie non-medical) background, personally I'm of the opinion (and the research supports this) that although antidepressants have their place they HAVE to be part of wider program of psychological treatment. Sometimes they are needed to fix the acute symptoms and allow the person to have the motivation to get into therapy, but they are not a cure.

Personally I think it would help if Clinical Psychologists were given more prominence in the treatment process and move our understanding of mental problems away from a strictly medical model.

True that, promotions for those types of drugs are spilling over to family doctors too. My family doctor put me on an antidepressant for panic attacks of all things. I didn't even know general physicians could prescribe such things. Needless to say I stopped taking that crap after a week, I couldn't stand feeling like the walking dead.

BTDT, w/Celexa. Reminds me of a song:

"Happy Town" -- Jill Sobule

I wake up every morning to the sound of birds
It's really not birds it's my neighbor's TV
She watches talk shows all day long
I used to hate her but now we get along
I used to sit under a gloomy cloud of gray
And now the sun is shining and it won't go away

I used to go up
I used to go down
Now I'm just even here in happy town
Happy town

My boyfriend Bob he said I made him miserable
But we stayed together 'cause the sex was really good
And then he packed his bags with me to happy town
We don't fuck anymore, but we can really snuggle down
I used to sit under a gloomy cloud of gray
And now the sun is out and my whole world is beige [one of my all-time favorite lines]

I used to go up
I used to go down
Now I'm just even here in happy town
I don't get excited
But nor do I frown
The lawn is always neat in happy town
Happy town
Happy town

To get to happy town you can call your doctor
You can unscrew the child-proof bottle cap
Pour yourself a glass of water

I used to sit under a gloomy cloud of gray
And now the sun is shining and it won't go away

I used to go up
I used to go down
Now I'm just even here in happy town
I don't get excited
Nor do I frown
The lawn is always neat in happy town
Happy town
Happy town

I used to go up
I used to go down
Now I'm just even here in happy town
I don't get excited
Nor do I frown
Life is just OK in happy town
Happy town
Happy town

Tom Robbins called.

He wants to use your idea for a new flavor of Quaker Instant Oatmeal:

Peachfishes and cream.

Pffft... what's he paying? Nothing!

:eek: AHHHHHHHH!!!

*streaks Sims 2 Uni style and gets oats everywhere*

... opps... *accidently kicks the bucket*

Although I have big problems with Psychoanalysis, and the banishment of the subjective from large areas of modern psychological/mind theory, they're hardly all psychopaths.

Antidepressants take more than a week to take effect.

Yeah, I still felt the constant tiredness and fuzzy brain activity associated with those pills, that was enough for me. I still don't understand why he'd prescribe antidepressants for panic attacks anyway.

Have faith in Xenu...he can save you from Psychologist.

yeah,i had to change school,because diagnosed that i had ADHD.which was WRONG!i have ADD!and yes,it does matter.

yeah,i had to change school,because diagnosed that i had ADHD.which was WRONG!i have ADD!and yes,it does matter.

The ADHD/ADD confusion is a big problem, both in terms of research (makes it difficult to figure out aetiology and outcomes) and in particular for treatment. Especially as in some countries (but not the UK), they will perscribe Ritalin for ADD when really, it's only effective for ADHD (it acts on the Hyperactivity part).

The ADHD/ADD confusion is a big problem, both in terms of research (makes it difficult to figure out aetiology and outcomes) and in particular for treatment. Especially as in some countries (but not the UK), they will perscribe Ritalin for ADD when really, it's only effective for ADHD (it acts on the Hyperactivity part).

Oh no, it's very effective for ADD too. All anphetamines are. Just because I'm not the one bouncing around, doesn't mean my brain is present. I could focus 100% on anphetamines. There was only one thought in my head, not 50.