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I couldn't find a thread, so lock it if it's already made. It's two days late, but jeez. Still a bit fucked up:

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_25297.aspx

Caton said the bus stopped and everyone scrambled to get out while the attacker started methodically carving up the victim's body, not paying attention to anyone else.

What joy.

I couldn't find a thread, so lock it if it's already made. It's two days late, but jeez. Still a bit fucked up:

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_25297.aspx



What joy.

Sounds like the guy might have been off his meds (if he has meds).

Pretty tragic and the guy'll likely have some sort of mental illness history.

And in before the Gun Control Rants.

Pretty tragic and the guy'll likely have some sort of mental illness history.

His employer didn't think so.

And in before the Gun Control Rants.

What gun control? It was on a greyhound bus, guns aren't allowed on them (nor are knives, not that this helped) and probably would have made the situation worse (i.e. a lot of passengers, one deranged killer add a guy who barely knows how to fire a gun among the passengers into the mix and this doesn't seem promising).

Discussing this at dinner last night, one person said, quite astutely, "Personally I'm just glad this didn't happen in America".

Lord knows if it happened in America, America would be blamed, since it's Canada, it's discussed as the bizarre tragedy it is.

...and I'm not even American, I just couldn't hack the idea of reading the ignorant comments.

As if a long bus trip isn't uncomfortable enough, now you have to worry if the passenger next to you will stab you repeatedly and cut off your head. And I thought the biggest issue was holding a crap in til the next rest stop so you don't stink up the bus. :p

As if a long bus trip isn't uncomfortable enough, now you have to worry if the passenger next to you will stab you repeatedly and cut off your head. And I thought the biggest issue was holding a crap in til the next rest stop so you don't stink up the bus. :p

Oh come on, like that ever stopped you.

Oh come on, like that ever stopped you.

For all I know, that might be why the guy killed him.

For all I know, that might be why the guy killed him.

That would be a reasonable defense in my opinion, lucky I'm not a judge.

Thursdays...

You wacky Canuckistanis crack me up.

Bet if someone were armed this tragedy could have been stopped after the first couple of thrusts.

Saw this on another forum. It's all kinda f*ucked up... Given the recent meida attention to knife crime in London/Britain generally I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it here.

So, I live in Victoria, and my family lives in northern BC. I was online, *just about to book my Greyhound bus ticket home*, when I first heard this story.

I've opted to fly home. Likelihood a tragedy like this would occur again? Probably not high. Do I feel like taking an 18 hour bus ride after hearing the story? Yeah, not so much.

maybe the kid was listening to Kid Rock.

You wacky Canuckistanis crack me up.

Bet if someone were armed this tragedy could have been stopped after the first couple of thrusts.

[d'oh]Someone was armed. You think the decapitation was caused by nuzzling?[/d'oh]

Holy crap.

Discussing this at dinner last night, one person said, quite astutely, "Personally I'm just glad this didn't happen in America".

Lord knows if it happened in America, America would be blamed, since it's Canada, it's discussed as the bizarre tragedy it is.

...and I'm not even American, I just couldn't hack the idea of reading the ignorant comments.
Honestly, I really doubt there would have been the kind of comments you're talking about. Had it been a gun, sure, you'd get the gun control debate.
But an incredibly, incredibly disturbed individual on a bus stabbing someone for no discernible reason and calmly carving up the body in the aisle? Nothing in that scenario is inherently American.

As if a long bus trip isn't uncomfortable enough, now you have to worry if the passenger next to you will stab you repeatedly and cut off your head. And I thought the biggest issue was holding a crap in til the next rest stop so you don't stink up the bus. :p

Jesus.
And people wonder why I try to drive everywhere.

There was already another thread on this actually.

Holy crap.


Honestly, I really doubt there would have been the kind of comments you're talking about. Had it been a gun, sure, you'd get the gun control debate.
But an incredibly, incredibly disturbed individual on a bus stabbing someone for no discernible reason and calmly carving up the body in the aisle? Nothing in that scenario is inherently American.

Only because it didn't happen in America.

I seriously said subconsciously "America" with an eye roll before I opened this thread...

... boy was I surprised. XD

It's so creepy, because it seems to have happened so randomly.

Seriously. Creeps me the fuck out :eek2:

I'm not riding a bus anytime soon.

The classic part is that after everyone got off the bus, the RCMP show up, and watch the guy as he starts cutting pieces off the body and eating them.

They seem to have no idea of what to do (or are not allowed to do jack shit without clearing it with higher).

The audio of that radio exchange is on several news sites here now (I won't link because of NSG rules, but you have Google).

Here in the US, the police would have gotten on the bus and shot him.

And no, he wasn't off his meds - everyone who knew the perpetrator said that there's no way he was like this.

I'm not riding a bus anytime soon.

I'll ride a regular bus, not the Greyhound. Even if this attack never happened, the Greyhoud buses still have some of the least comfortable seats for long trips.

Personally though, I though they ought to have tasered the bastard. It would have looked good for tasers. Of course, the one time it would make tasers look positive in the eyes of the public, they don't (hey, you'd think it would have been reported if they had!).

I'll ride a regular bus, not the Greyhound. Even if this attack never happened, the Greyhoud buses still have some of the least comfortable seats for long trips.

Personally though, I though they ought to have tasered the bastard. It would have looked good for tasers. Of course, the one time it would make tasers look positive in the eyes of the public, they don't (hey, you'd think it would have been reported if they had!).

No, the RCMP had to sit there for a while and talk on the radio, and watch him eat the body.

No, the RCMP had to sit there for a while and talk on the radio, and watch him eat the body.

So? The guys was already dead. What would shooting him have accomplished?

So? The guys was already dead. What would shooting him have accomplished?

It would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money.

It would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money.
And possibly a repeat crime after the Canadians let this murderer out after a nominal sentence.

If there had been one passenger packing...

It would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money.

Vigilante justice is never the way to go.

Vigilante justice is never the way to go.

Here in the US, if you're in the middle of a violent act and the police show up, you get once chance to stop and surrender.

If you don't stop, you get to play Russian roulette with the officers' semiautomatic pistols.

In this guy's case, I can hardly see how a rational jury would find other than "guilty as humanly possible on this planet". Why Canada calls this "second degree murder" rather than "first degree murder" is also a mystery.

It's likely this guy will walk the streets again soon, and the Canadians will get to read yet another story like this.

If that seems preferable to you over having the police turn him into a topic for the coroner's report, then perhaps you're not as civilized as you believe.

It's likely this guy will walk the streets again soon, and the Canadians will get to read yet another story like this.


I'd wager the guy would end up in an insane asylum for quite some time!

Although, you're right. If this was south of the border, regardless of his mental state - the US would have him on trial for his life anyway.

Here in the US, if you're in the middle of a violent act and the police show up, you get once chance to stop and surrender.

If you don't stop, you get to play Russian roulette with the officers' semiautomatic pistols.

In this guy's case, I can hardly see how a rational jury would find other than "guilty as humanly possible on this planet". Why Canada calls this "second degree murder" rather than "first degree murder" is also a mystery.

It's likely this guy will walk the streets again soon, and the Canadians will get to read yet another story like this.

If that seems preferable to you over having the police turn him into a topic for the coroner's report, then perhaps you're not as civilized as you believe.

As for the 1st verses 2nd degree murder I would imagine it's something to do with him having no known motive so making premeditation hard to prove but I'm far from an expert on Canadian law.

What I love about you is your ability to throw up such an amazing screen of bullshit. Surely problems with criminals being released early by the Canadian justice system should be solved by amending the sentencing laws rather than having police randomly shooting people they think might offend again 15 years down the line?

Just horrendous. And forgive me, but my initial reaction was that this was so horrendous as to be inhuman, and that like a mad dog, he should have been put down.

Thinking about it more rationally -- not so sure. However, locking him away where he can be of no harm to others can't be bad.

Still will never take a bus anywhere I can drive, though.

Am I the only one who thought this would be about someone decapitating greyhounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound)?

Am I the only one who thought this would be about someone decapitating greyhounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound)?

No... horrid things have been done to racing animals past their prime... including killing them and lopping off the ears or legs where the identifying tattoos are placed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article688703.ece
http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/running_for_their_lives_the_realities_of_greyhound_racing/

Am I the only one who thought this would be about someone decapitating greyhounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound)?

Don't be silly. How would you catch one?

No... horrid things have been done to racing animals past their prime... including killing them and lopping off the ears or legs where the identifying tattoos are placed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article688703.ece
http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/running_for_their_lives_the_realities_of_greyhound_racing/
Yeah, things like that pop up on the news every now and then.
Don't be silly. How would you catch one?

With another greyhound, duh.

In this guy's case, I can hardly see how a rational jury would find other than "guilty as humanly possible on this planet". Why Canada calls this "second degree murder" rather than "first degree murder" is also a mystery.
It's probably got something to do with how you're not a lawyer and don't understand the Canadian legal system.

It's likely this guy will walk the streets again soon, and the Canadians will get to read yet another story like this.

If that seems preferable to you over having the police turn him into a topic for the coroner's report, then perhaps you're not as civilized as you believe.
Because the only two options are giving him a mild prison sentence or shooting him at the scene?

It's probably got something to do with how you're not a lawyer and don't understand the Canadian legal system.


Because the only two options are giving him a mild prison sentence or shooting him at the scene?

In America we would all have whipped out our hot-lead throwing Penis Enhancements and shot our loads. NOT.

I'll probably use public transportation tomorrow. And I'll use an airplane the next time I'm going to travel far.

I have no problems taking a train or a bus, or flying, or getting on a boat, even if senseless acts of violence has happened on one of these sometime somewhere. I find it to be better to not live in fear.

Come to think of it, I might even use a car soon, despite the number of people killed in traffic each year.

In America we would all have whipped out our hot-lead throwing Penis Enhancements and shot our loads. NOT.

In America, he would have been killed with grits! :tongue:

I have no problems taking a train or a bus, or flying, or getting on a boat, even if senseless acts of violence has happened on one of these sometime somewhere. I find it to be better to not live in fear.

To be fair, in 98 years Greyhound buses have had 8 notable accidents and incidents, this being the 8th(according to the all knowing wiki), 3 of which were incidents of passengers attacking drivers/other passengers. Not exactly a big risk.

Must be beheading season...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7698372

A 31-year-old man killed his girlfriend on the Greek island of Santorini on Sunday, beheaded her, then fled in a patrol car, a local official said.

During the ensuing chase, the suspect was shot five times by police and ran over two women doctors who were riding a motorcycle before he was caught, the official said.

In this guy's case, I can hardly see how a rational jury would find other than "guilty as humanly possible on this planet". Why Canada calls this "second degree murder" rather than "first degree murder" is also a mystery.

Has to do with premeditation, not how horrific and brutal the crime was. ;)

Am I the only one who thought this would be about someone decapitating greyhounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyhound)?
I did when I saw the title. I kinda wish it was. :/

Yeah, the reason they are talking about second-degree murder is because right now all the evidence points to it being a spontaneous act, which is the main difference between first-degree and second-degree murder. First-degree murder is a planned act.

As for Greyhound, i have ridden their buses numerous times and will continue to do so, i have even ridden the route the guy was killed on. This is a rare occurrence, it's not like it happens all the time. Besides, people get attacked in all kinds of places at all times of day. If i am going to sit here and worry about the possibility of being attacked or something, i might as well not leave the house, and even that wouldn't necessarily protect me. People have been known to break into homes and attack people.

People continue to fly, even though planes have been hijacked and even though they have crashed. People still go on boats even though they have sunk. I don't see this as any different in the sense that like crashes, hijacked planes, and sunken boats, it is a horrible tragedy that is not an everyday event. Greyhound is not any more inherently dangerous than any other mode of transportation.

No, the RCMP had to sit there for a while and talk on the radio, and watch him eat the body.

They didn't taser him? And the government and police forces across Canada wonder why people refuse to trust tasers in the hands of our law enforcement officers. It's asinine shit like this (ie: not using it when it is warrented) and other situations (using it to restrain someone who could be restrained in another way) that causes immense distrust.

Clearly Canadian knife control laws are insufficient and knife regulations must be tightened to prevent tragedies like this from occuring in the future. You should set up knife-free zones, close the infamous knife-show loop-hole, institute background checks and waiting periods for those who wish to purchase a knife and outlaw the dreaded "assault knives" that have large blades, serated edges, a bayonet lug, or a high-powered scope. You Canuckistanis should also look into a way to reduce your incredibly violent knife-culture and have mandatory knife-crime sentancing laws on your books to discourage these kinds of attacks. Only when steps like this and others are taken to reduce the number of brutal knife-related slayings and knife-related crime will Canada's crime rate be reduced to a level comprable and acceptable to the rest of the civilized world.

I admit I have a soft spot in my heart for decapitation, in general.

But still this was way out of line. People who take the bus are already in hell, why put them through more? It's cruel.

I was decapitated once, and it's not funny. :(

Vigilante justice is never the way to go.

True.

Arrest him, find him guilty, death sentance, 10 years on death row, where he gets repeatedly raped in the showers, then hung at dawn.

That's how it should be.

True.

Arrest him, find him guilty, death sentance, 10 years on death row, where he gets repeatedly raped in the showers, then hung at dawn.

That's how it should be.

Oh, you know what would be even better? If we brought back crucifixion as a form of punishment. Then we could crucify random people to satisfy my mindless bloodlust.

True.

Arrest him, find him guilty, death sentance, 10 years on death row, where he gets repeatedly raped in the showers, then hung at dawn.

That's how it should be.

Or we could try to find out why he did this and rehabilitate him?

You have a prison rape fantasy don't you? Why else would it be the first thing you think of?

Or we could try to find out why he did this and rehabilitate him?

You have a prison rape fantasy don't you? Why else would it be the first thing you think of?

Why on earth would you want a man like that walking the streets? He randomly attacked, killed, and went on to mutilate a innocent stranger for with no apparent motive.

As for prison rape...

No, it's not my fantasy, just, this guy deserves all he gets.

Why on earth would you want a man like that walking the streets? He randomly attacked, killed, and went on to mutilate a innocent stranger for with no apparent motive.

As for prison rape...

No, it's not my fantasy, just, this guy deserves all he gets.

Why did he suddenly flip?

Why did he suddenly flip?

I presume you are going to make the point that he could of been provoked.

Yes okay, fair play, but you don't kill, decapitate, and mutilate someone with a knife that in the UK would be illegal to carry (I'm not sure if it would be in Canada) just because he MAY of said a few nasty words, or nudge you or something.

This is nasty.

I presume you are going to make the point that he could of been provoked.

Yes okay, fair play, but you don't kill, decapitate, and mutilate someone with a knife that in the UK would be illegal to carry (I'm not sure if it would be in Canada) just because he MAY of said a few nasty words, or nudge you or something.

No, I'm making the point that it might be a lot more useful to society as a whole to try to understand why people do things like this, and by extension to work towards preventing these events, than to just rape and then kill them.

They didn't taser him? And the government and police forces across Canada wonder why people refuse to trust tasers in the hands of our law enforcement officers. It's asinine shit like this (ie: not using it when it is warrented) and other situations (using it to restrain someone who could be restrained in another way) that causes immense distrust.

How do you taser someone inside a bus when you're outside it?

Must be beheading season...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7698372

I saw that. The Greek police fired upon him when he tried to steal a police car and get away. He got hit 5 times, a bystander got hit by one bullet (in the jaw). Nobody is dead though.

Except the decapitated woman, unfortunately... :(

Oh, you know what would be even better? If we brought back crucifixion as a form of punishment. Then we could crucify random people to satisfy my mindless bloodlust.

Drawing and quartering is nice. *nod*

I was decapitated once, and it's not funny. :(

You got better?

How do you taser someone inside a bus when you're outside it?
Smash the window open for starters... it's a no brainer really.

...

Methinks there is a link between them and the chinese immigrant wanted revenge. They were both going from Edmonton to Winnipeg, but the crazed guy got off in New Brandon or something and waited for the next bus. He sat in the front and moved beside this guy after a smoke. Coincidence that it was this particular guy and not the one infront of him, methinks no.

Smash the window open for starters... it's a no brainer really.

Logistically, your plan makes little sense.

1. Those windows are tempered glass...they don't break all that easily.
2. Greyhound buses are tall. Cops would need to stand up on a ladder to get a good shot.
3. It wouldn't be too hard to see all this being prepared, and use either the corpse as a shield, or one of the seats.

I was decapitated once, and it's not funny. :(
Really? I defecated once.

You got better?
Hell yes.
Really? I defecated once.
Really. Poisoning with yohimbine is much better. I died with my penis erect. ;)

I saw that. The Greek police fired upon him when he tried to steal a police car and get away. He got hit 5 times, a bystander got hit by one bullet (in the jaw). Nobody is dead though.

Except the decapitated woman, unfortunately... :(
And the decapitated dog.

Wonder if it was a greyhound.