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Marxism is relevant to everything. To exclude it excludes one from reality.

Relevant to everything? I find this unlikely. I don't see how Marxism could possibly be relevant to astronomy, for example.


What think you, NSG? Is Marxism relevant to everything? Could anything be relevant to everything?

This is probably the stupidest thread I have ever read...

*walks away with head shaking*

This is probably the stupidest thread I have ever read...

*walks away with head shaking*

You owe me royalties!

This is probably the stupidest thread I have ever read...

*walks away with head shaking*

I consider this to be a high honour. I must sig it.

I consider this to be a high honour. I must sig it.

If you're going to sig it, might as well use the original's author quote.

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There is no middle class.

Keep saying it.

>.>
<.<

No, it isn't. Claiming otherwise is just part of Andaras's unique brand of trolling. Some people just haven't realized that Marxism is a failed philosophy.

"Not every problem someone has with his girlfriend is necessarily due to the capitalist mode of production." - Herbert Marcuse

The Hubble telescope is just a tool of the oppressive bourgeois to waste money on over-reaching projects, which they control to trick the working classes into building entertainment satellites for the bourgeois, when the working classes think they're building astronomical space telescopes. Furthermore, nothing exists in space beyond Pluto: it's all just part of the conspiracy.

Also, the conspiracy is led by the Dutch.

Someone report Ifreann.

He made a serious thread.

Someone report Ifreann.

He made a serious thread.

Don't report him; mob his ass!

Don't report him; mob his ass!

That sounds kinky.

I am fairly sure Marxism has nothing to do with my cooking dinner.

I am fairly sure Marxism has nothing to do with my cooking dinner.

Of course it does, because the simple fact that you're able to afford food while others cannot does in fact prove that you are a bourgeois elitist that must be stripped of her property to be distributed among the masses!

The People's Party Van will be at your house shortly. *nod*

Marxism is often called a philosophy, but personally I consider it to be more of a theoretical framework. By the way, I discovered (thanks to the magic of Wikipedia) that there's a school of Marxism called Libertarian Marxism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Marxism). Andaras won't like that, given the fact that he considers Libertarianism to be as bad as fascism.

Of course it does, because the simple fact that you're able to afford food while others cannot does in fact prove that you are a bourgeois elitist that must be stripped of her property to be distributed among the masses!

The People's Party Van will be at your house shortly. *nod*

can we throw Molotov cocktails through her windows first?

Marxism is often called a philosophy, but personally I consider it to be more of a theoretical framework. By the way, I discovered (thanks to the magic of Wikipedia) that there's a school of Marxism called Libertarian Marxism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Marxism). Andaras won't like that, given the fact that he considers Libertarianism to be as bad as fascism.

Hmm I'll have to read about that, at first glance it sounds like an oxymoron.

can we throw Molotov cocktails through her windows first?

Only if it'll serve the people.

Hmm I'll have to read about that, at first glance it sounds like an oxymoron.

It's just a Dutch conspiracy to distract us from their global warming plot.

Only if it'll serve the people.

well, according to marxist theory there needs to be a revolution to establish the reign of the proletariat, that would easily be part of such a revolution, getting rid of those disgusting bourgeoisie task masters.

also, I can see why Andaras likes this so much

well, according to marxist theory there needs to be a revolution to establish the reign of the proletariat, that would easily be part of such a revolution, getting rid of those disgusting bourgeoisie task masters.

also, I can see why Andaras likes this so much

Yea, it is fun.

Of course it does, because the simple fact that you're able to afford food while others cannot does in fact prove that you are a bourgeois elitist that must be stripped of her property to be distributed among the masses!

The People's Party Van will be at your house shortly. *nod*

The People's Party Van is welcome to join me for dinner -- but if they try to redistribute my property they are going to leave here with an ass kicking.

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Relevant to everything? I find this unlikely. I don't see how Marxism could possibly be relevant to astronomy, for example.


What think you, NSG? Is Marxism relevant to everything? Could anything be relevant to everything?
only a bourgeoise counter-revolutionary would think otherwise/

I think its relevance comes into the believers outlook. The deeper the conviction the more it affects the outlook on life. I'm sure to Andaras astronomy is affected by Marxist principles the same way Catholicisms was back in the Middle Ages. Now to a non believer it obviously has little to no impact on anything other than making fun of the perceived delusions of others. Personally I like Andaras, even if he is some college student who's been swept up in the fervor. He does stick to his Stalinism no matter what the subject matter.

I think its relevance comes into the believers outlook. The deeper the conviction the more it affects the outlook on life. I'm sure to Andaras astronomy is affected by Marxist principles the same way Catholicisms was back in the Middle Ages. Now to a non believer it obviously has little to no impact on anything other than making fun of the perceived delusions of others. Personally I like Andaras, even if he is some college student who's been swept up in the fervor. He does stick to his Stalinism no matter what the subject matter.

That's why the sane posters here just find him annoying and thus mock him.

That's why the sane posters here just find him annoying and thus mock him.

Perhaps I haven't been around enough to get truly annoyed, I just find him amusing.

The Hubble telescope is just a tool of the oppressive bourgeois to waste money on over-reaching projects, which they control to trick the working classes into building entertainment satellites for the bourgeois, when the working classes think they're building astronomical space telescopes. Furthermore, nothing exists in space beyond Pluto: it's all just part of the conspiracy.

Also, the conspiracy is led by the Dutch.

Man, we Dutchmen really get things done, if I have to believe RhynoD. But if you want to learn more about the correlation between astronomy, Marxism and the Dutch connection, look no further than Antonie Pannekoek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Pannekoek)!

Man, we Dutchmen really get things done, if I have to believe RhynoD. But if you want to learn more about the correlation between astronomy, Marxism and the Dutch connection, look no further than Antonie Pannekoek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Pannekoek)!

Only the Dutch could come up with something as deviously subtle as an inflatable dam.

I am fairly sure Marxism has nothing to do with my cooking dinner.
If it involves meat, ever, you're bourgeois.

Let's see, I've had dinner, I'm watching Numb3rs, later I'll call my daughter and feed the cats. Yep, I'm sure Marx wrote about all this somewhere, it's probably in the Bible, too.

The People's Party Van is welcome to join me for dinner -- but if they try to redistribute my property they are going to leave here with an ass kicking.

Let it be a People's Ass kicking! Each according to their needs! :p

Let's see, I've had dinner, I'm watching Numb3rs, later I'll call my daughter and feed the cats. Yep, I'm sure Marx wrote about all this somewhere, it's probably in the Bible, too.

Numb3rs glorifies the fascist FBI that opresses the proletariat.

It's also a friggin awesome show.

Let it be a People's Ass kicking! Each according to their needs! :p
If I had room I'd sig that. But seriously, I don't think in this day and age Marxism is relevant to anything. Maybe in 1848 when employers could pay their workers a nickel a day it was somewhat relevant, but in our modern world of minimum wage laws, quality control, unions and labor laws Marxism is little more than a historical relic IMHO.

This also reminds me of the time I went to a university lecture on Feminist Critique and Viewpoint of Media.

It turned out to be a feminist dissection of a Jurassic Park ripoff B-movie.

This just goes to show that you can find symbolism in just about anything, to your persuasion if you look into anything hard and long enough.

If you're trying to find feminist or Marxist symbolisms and alliterations in B-movie flicks of all things, you're looking too hard.

WWMD?
(to clarify: What Would Marx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3x4t9hEYxU) Do?)

this marxism is relevant to my interests

WWMD?
(to clarify: What Would Marx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3x4t9hEYxU) Do?)

Wrong Marx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbyzTI0M8eo

Marxism, or indeed any belief, are like the Men In Black. If you want to believe that the can of coke in your fridge went missing as part of a joint CIA-Martian conspiracy to secretly introduce mind altering substances into the worlds Coke Zero supply to facilitate Martian infiltration into north eastern Indiana, then you will find a way to make the connection.

If a Stalinist wants to find a way to link what it's in oven to the secret coalition of the Capitalist-Fascist(tm) oven manufacturers and Tesco to opress the dietary preferences of the Glorious Proletariat(tm) then he will.

A far-fetched idea:

Marxism does affect everything!

Look, see that pencil you're holding, that computer you're typing on, the shoes you're wearing, they're probably made in China! And if they're not, the company that manufactured them probably got money from opening factories overseas in China or India. And as we all know China was once communist, and the Communists were once supported by the Soviet Union, which was once Stalinist, which was once Leninist, which was run by Lenin, who was inspired by Marx! Ha! It all pieces together like a puzzle!

:p

Tying Marxism to modern day economics through several degrees of separation does not make it relevant. My point stands.

A far-fetched idea:

Marxism does affect everything!

Look, see that pencil you're holding, that computer you're typing on, the shoes you're wearing, they're probably made in China! And if they're not, the company that manufactured them probably got money from opening factories overseas in China or India. And as we all know China was once communist, and the Communists were once supported by the Soviet Union, which was once Stalinist, which was once Leninist, which was run by Lenin, who was inspired by Marx! Ha! It all pieces together like a puzzle!

:p

I've heard 9/11 conspiracy bullshit that is more logical than that.

No shit, sherlock. The smiley-face and the exclamation marks were there for a reason.

No shit, sherlock. The smiley-face and the exclamation marks were there for a reason.

My sarcasm senors quit working after 3:30 am. Damn unions.

I tend to be off my A-game for detecting irony around 5 AM. My apologies.

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Relevant to everything? I find this unlikely. I don't see how Marxism could possibly be relevant to astronomy, for example.


What think you, NSG? Is Marxism relevant to everything? Could anything be relevant to everything?

Of course it's relevant to everything. Why, with Marxism, this horrid butterscotch pudding I just had would be even worse!

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I don't see how Marxism could possibly be relevant to astronomy, for example.


Astronomy is a bourgeois propaganda campaign in reaction to the drop in numbers brainwashed by religion, the opiate of the masses. Thus to secure bourgeois economic interests, they falsified scientific research and made the universe seem huge and full of many galaxies and star systems making it very likely that life exists somewhere. Of course this is merely propagated lies to keep the workers down and 'happy' with their conditions due to this false hope created with this 'you're not alone' nonsense.

Maybe in 1848 when employers could pay their workers a nickel a day it was somewhat relevant, but in our modern world of minimum wage laws, quality control, unions and labor laws Marxism is little more than a historical relic IMHO.

Maybe in the First World, but in the Third World there are quite a few people who disagree with you. Not everybody enjoys those benefits, after all.

It turned out to be a feminist dissection of a Jurassic Park ripoff B-movie.

This just goes to show that you can find symbolism in just about anything, to your persuasion if you look into anything hard and long enough.

If you're trying to find feminist or Marxist symbolisms and alliterations in B-movie flicks of all things, you're looking too hard.

Apparently they really wanted to get their money's worth out of that DVD. I bought Transformers Energon: The Return Of Megatron on DVD recently for the paltry sum of one euro. Now I'm pretty certain that there's a significant correlation between the ongoing conflict between the Autobots and the Decepticons in the decade after the Unicron conflicts and Friedrich Engels' Die Entwicklung Des Sozialismus Von Der Utopie Zur Wissenschaft, but chances are slim that I will ever write an essay based upon that assumption.

(i'm not an expert on marx's life or works :p )

as far as i understand it the basis of marx's thinking was:
(quoting wiki)
"a belief that people's consciousness of the conditions of their lives reflects the dominant ideology which is in turn shaped by material conditions and relations of production"
"an understanding of material conditions and social relations as historically malleable"

which to my understanding translates as history/society/culture/EVERYTHING is affected by economics. and i happen to agree with that. and i think, although i wasn't there, that before marx, and less frequently, but still today, material conditions were/are overlooked in favour of religious and political ideologies
e.g. the so called ´clash of civilisations' between the west and islam, where economic realities are disregarded because after all, they are a bunch of crazy muslims...

so i'd say that marxism is relevant to everything, inasmuch as economics is relevant to everything, and marx was integral to tying economics to politics and philosophy..
or something :s