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Inspired by this comment about Bambi in this ranting mess of a thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=562061)...
That one movie caused a 30 year reduction in hunting. One movie made more of a difference than the others.

I'm wondering... which movies do the rest of you consider to have been most influential to the world around you, and what effect have they had? Bambi, as noted, enabled generations of youngsters to lay a massive guilt trip on relatives who liked to go a-huntin'. Jaws seems to be responsible for a widespread fear of sharks, and the sea in general. What else?

Actually, let's broaden the whole thing to include all types of (entertainment **) broadcast media. The 1938 War of the Worlds radio play would have to be up there, but what else?





(** I realise that "broadcast media" would also normally include news broadcasts, propaganda releases and features. We'd talk about the series of reports from Ethiopia in 1984 that kicked off the whole Live Aid thing, or the footage of the protests in Tiananmen Square in 1989 (and that's before we even touch the coverage of the WTC attacks). Sadly, I fear that attempting to discuss factual media will simply lead to another pointless spam/flame fest about media bias, so let's try to stick to fiction) ;)

"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.

The LoTR movies lead to a huge drop in the creation of magical jewellery for the purpose of subjugating most of the free races of Middle Earth.
"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.

Bullshit.

"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.
Bah, I was going to specifically cite that as one not to mention, but I couldn't think of a way to do so other than classing it as purely factual, which I knew would draw exactly this kind of comment. :tongue:

Debbie Does Dallas

:tongue::p

Inspired by this comment about Bambi in this ranting mess of a thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=562061)...


I'm wondering... which movies do the rest of you consider to have been most influential to the world around you, and what effect have they had? Bambi, as noted, enabled generations of youngsters to lay a massive guilt trip on relatives who liked to go a-huntin'. Jaws seems to be responsible for a widespread fear of sharks, and the sea in general. What else?

Actually, let's broaden the whole thing to include all types of (entertainment **) broadcast media. The 1938 War of the Worlds radio play would have to be up there, but what else?





(** I realise that "broadcast media" would also normally include news broadcasts, propaganda releases and features. We'd talk about the series of reports from Ethiopia in 1984 that kicked off the whole Live Aid thing, or the footage of the protests in Tiananmen Square in 1989 (and that's before we even touch the coverage of the WTC attacks). Sadly, I fear that attempting to discuss factual media will simply lead to another pointless spam/flame fest about media bias, so let's try to stick to fiction) ;)

Fatal Attraction.

The LoTR movies lead to a huge drop in the creation of magical jewellery for the purpose of subjugating most of the free races of Middle Earth.



I miss my magical penis ring. :(


Erm...

Bah, I was going to specifically cite that as one not to mention, but I couldn't think of a way to do so other than classing it as purely factual, which I knew would draw exactly this kind of comment. :tongue:
Oh, well, if I can't mention that one, then I'm going with Deep Throat.

Debbie Does Dallas
Fatal Attraction
Interesting choices... what effect do you believe that they've had?

Oh, well, if I can't mention that one, then I'm going with Deep Throat.
Meh, you can mention anything you like... the thread's out in the wild now, and should just be left to run its course :tongue:

"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.

What about lizards? Are they pretending to be the royal families of Europe, and the Presidential candidates in the US?

Space Aliens probed you and made you late for school?

Moonlandings are fake?

How far are you willing to go for a good conspiracy?


'Entire governments' have been reacting to - and in fact basing policy on - the burgeoning scientific field of climate change for (literally) decades. You'd have to have your head buried in a pile of sand of epic proportions (or... maybe believe BUsh press-releases - much the same) to place the blame on one movie made in the last couple of years.

So - epic fail. The film made little or no difference. Boosted the awareness of some, maybe...

Interesting choices... what effect do you believe that they've had? I believe DDD was one of major beginnings of the modern porn industry which is in the billions of dollars a year. That's pretty influential


Meh, you can mention anything you like... the thread's out in the wild now, and should just be left to run its course :tongue:

That's right. Let the invisible spam hand guide the course of the thread. It always works it out. ;)

Interesting choices... what effect do you believe that they've had?

have you seen the film?

it's about a husband who cheats on his wife...

I miss my magical penis ring. :(


Erm...

It's... Your Precious... :D

The Magic Roundabout - or Monty Python

Take your choice.

The Magic Roundabout - or Monty Python

Take your choice.

Which Monty Python though?

"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.

No, it's revealed how missinformation and fantassy led millions of people to beleive, and governments to enact policies based on, the notion that there was no problem.

Unfortunately, not everyone got the message.:headbang:

It's... Your Precious... :D

I get an assist for setting that one up :D

Which Monty Python though?

The group of six people (Graham Chapman, John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones, and Michael Palin) that were collectively comic geniuses.

Is there some other kind?

I believe DDD was one of major beginnings of the modern porn industry which is in the billions of dollars a year. That's pretty influential
Can't argue with that.

have you seen the film?

it's about a husband who cheats on his wife...
Yeah, I've seen it. Hundreds of films have been made that involved marital infidelity though, and I'd never thought of that one as having had any significant effect. Actually, on reflection, I'll take that back since it's probably responsible for "bunny-boiler" entering the lexicon :)

personally, alice in wonderland, as it makes me want to at least try LSD. other than that i cant think right now

The group of six people (Graham Chapman, John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones, and Michael Palin) that were collectively comic geniuses.

Is there some other kind?

Which movie ¬.¬

Star Wars: "A New Hope"

It begun the epic journey of George Lucas sucking every last drop out of a franchised that he should've left for dead after Episode I.

Which movie ¬.¬

No.

The movies are mere side products. The series man, the series.

china syndrome--nail in the coffin of nuclear power in the united states.

A Fish Called Wanda.

Bullshit.Seconded.

Debbie Does Dallas

:tongue::p
Movie night with Zilam and his new GF! w00t!
*bring lotsa butter*

A Fish Called Wanda.
Otto West: Don't call me stupid.
Wanda: Oh, right! To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people! I've known sheep that could outwit you. I've worn dresses with higher IQs. But you think you're an intellectual, don't you, ape?
Otto West: Apes don't read philosophy.
Wanda: Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it.
I use this on a regular basis, so point for you. :D

Movie night with Zilam and his new GF! w00t!
*bring lotsa butter*

Hey, nothing official yet. Hopefully that will change by Monday at latest.:)

So - epic fail. The film made little or no difference. Boosted the awareness of some, maybe...Talk about a conspiracy? That post is what kept him from revealing what he really meant - Fahrenheit 9/11.

Michael Moore: As the attack took place, Mr. Bush was on his way to an elementary school in Florida. When informed of the first plane hitting the world trade center, where terrorists had struck just eight years prior, Mr. Bush decided to go ahead with his photo opportunity.
[Bush enters the classroom]
Michael Moore: When the second plane hit the tower, his chief of staff entered the classroom and told Mr. Bush the nation is under attack.
[Bush picks up a children's book]
Michael Moore: Not knowing what to do, with no one telling him what to do, and with no secret service rushing in to take him to safety, Mr. Bush just sat there, and continued to read "My Pet Goat" with the children.
[the time is measured on a clock in the corner of the screen]
Michael Moore: Nearly seven minutes passed with nobody doing anything. Remember, not only did Moore make it all UP, those were actors and not really Bush and aide, plus students.

Porky's. *nod*

Talk about a conspiracy? That post is what kept him from revealing what he really meant - Fahrenheit 9/11.

Remember, not only did Moore make it all UP, those were actors and not really Bush and aide, plus students.

You know, of all the things you could hate Bush for, that's a pretty small one. Yes, its odd that there would not be an immediate reaction, though I can imagine some possible reasons. But this is like worrying about a particular scratch on your bumper after being hit by a freight train carrying radioactive waste.

I would bet that Babe turned a lot of little kids into vegetarians.

You know, of all the things you could hate Bush for, that's a pretty small one.

What? A life-altering event that crystallises, in a second, that he really doesn't give a shit?

I'm not saying you should hate anyone - but that's the kind of opportunity that told America what sort of President they'd signed up for.

The fact it was largely ignored is - I hope - just a sign of how profound the shock was, to Mr and Mrs America. Because, otherwise, it means y'all got the President you deserved. And I can't think of a harsher indictment.

I would bet that Babe turned a lot of little kids into vegetarians.

Nah, it just made kids try to talk to pigs. Once they look like bacon, the similarities to Babe disappear.

Also, for my contribution to the thread, I'd like to say it was "Saved!" because that movie had a great (and pretty universal) message, but I can't imagine that it actually made a difference.

:(

You know, of all the things you could hate Bush for, that's a pretty small one. Yes, its odd that there would not be an immediate reaction, though I can imagine some possible reasons. But this is like worrying about a particular scratch on your bumper after being hit by a freight train carrying radioactive waste.I don't think it ended there. I think the poster was only giving one example of an apparent litany, but reserved further posting for ... brevity's sake.
Also, it is quite often that Bush fans and administration are quite fond of making really, really big deals about really really obscure and irrelevant things if it helps to distract from anything that might put them in a bad light.

Star Wars: "A New Hope"

It begun the epic journey of George Lucas sucking every last drop out of a franchised that he should've left for dead after Episode I.
Seconded.:tongue:

Bullshit.
I disagree.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide1.png

Not governments, but Al Gore convinced many normal people that we're causing Global warming, and all that other BS he was spouting in that movie.

"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.

Funny how many people seem to think that Al Gore thought up global warming.

Also, for my contribution to the thread, I'd like to say it was "Saved!" because that movie had a great (and pretty universal) message, but I can't imagine that it actually made a difference.

:(
I liked that movie, actually. Just might not go so well on a movie night if you couple it with "Jesus Camp".

Adventures of Robin Hood

I disagree.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/Slides/Presentation/Slide1.png

http://www.petitionproject.org/
Same people.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/skeptic-organizations.html
http://www.sciencecases.org/petition/petition.asp
http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/programs/atmosphere-energy/climate-change/ten-myths.html
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story.asp?Article=225043&Sn=WORL&IssueID=31133
Follow up, for thought.
*brb*

*silly graph*

I also can has graph!

http://www.architecture2030.org/images/current_situation/CS02-CO2-Temperature.gif

I also can has graph!

http://www.architecture2030.org/images/current_situation/CS02-CO2-Temperature.gif

I can also has link, and thousands of scientists to back me up!
We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

This petition has been signed by over 31,000 American scientists.
Beat that. (http://www.oism.org/pproject/)

I can also has link, and thousands of scientists to back me up!

Beat that. (http://www.oism.org/pproject/)

Thousands of scientists, some of which are the same scientist, many of which were in an unrelated field, and most of which said they might sign the petition. Also, notice the date of original circulation for the petition?

A better article would be this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change) one.

Beat that. (http://www.oism.org/pproject/)It's been beaten already, in many other threads besides this one. Simply punch it up in the forum archives.

Thousands of scientists, some of which are the same scientist, many of which were in an unrelated field, and most of which said they might sign the petition. Also, notice the date of original circulation for the petition?

This article documents scientific opinion as given by synthesis reports, scientific bodies of national or international standing, and surveys of opinion among climate scientists. It does not document the views of individual scientists, individual universities or laboratories, nor self-selected lists of individuals such as petitions.
Uh-huh. Fine then. Link please? Or will you log off/ignore me/ get off of this thread in a desperate attempt to act like scientists who, you know, don't buy into that garbage, don't exist?
It's been beaten already, in many other threads besides this one. Simply punch it up in the forum archives.
:confused:

Uh-huh. Fine then. Link please? Or will you log off/ignore me/ get off of this thread in a desperate attempt to act like scientists who, you know, don't buy into that garbage, don't exist?

What do you mean, link please?
I never said they didn't exist. I said they weren't credible, and that's why they fail to be affiliated with any major scientific organization.
Unless, of course, you believe the Ebil Scientific Organizations are leading a purge of those who don't agree with them… but you know what that sounds like…

What do you mean, link please?
I never said they didn't exist. I said they weren't credible, and that's why they fail to be affiliated with any major scientific organization.
Unless, of course, you believe the Ebil Scientific Organizations are leading a purge of those who don't agree with them… but you know what that sounds like…

I mean as in SOURCE! Where did you get it from, give me a hyper-link, a URL, call it what you like. Or did you make it up? Therefore putting their credibility back into the "Ok!" range.

The reason they are not affiliated with any major scientific organization is because they are going against popular opinion. Unless, of course, Galileo wasn't credible either in his time...

:confused:
Top right. It's a forum search function. Punch in "Climate" or something along those lines, and read how much time other posters have spent on this particular topic. There's PLENTY there.

I mean as in SOURCE! Where did you get it from, give me a hyper-link, a URL, call it what you like. Or did you make it up? Therefore putting their credibility back into the "Ok!" range.

As in source of what? I gave you the Wikipedia article, which shows that no scientific organization of national or internation standing rejects global warming.

As for what the Brevious said: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11985578&postcount=93
A sample.

I believe DDD was one of major beginnings of the modern porn industry which is in the billions of dollars a year. That's pretty influential

The credit really goes to Behind the Green Door and Deep Throat.


Wag the Dog affected public policy around the time it came out-Clinton's actions against terrorist camps were labeled 'wagging the dog' as an attempt to distract from his personal problems...ironically years later to be accused of not doing enough against terrorists...

Unless, of course, Galileo wasn't credible either in his time...Oh, come on. Don't. :rolleyes:
Coincidentally ... Aristotle, a fella you might've heard of, said this:
The brain is an organ of minor importance, perhaps necessary to cool the blood.

As for what the Brevious said: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11985578&postcount=93
A sample.Awesome. Now TWO posters are pimping Laerod!

Awesome. Now TWO posters are pimping Laerod!

You mean there are posters who aren't? :eek2:

As in source of what? I gave you the Wikipedia article, which shows that no scientific organization of national or internation standing rejects global warming.

See my previous post.

As for what the Brevious said: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11985578&postcount=93
A sample.
1. Brevious did not say that.
2.:
The verification of the scientists was listed at 95%
Petitioners were also requested to list their academic discipline. The petition sponsors state the following numbers of individuals from each discipline: 1. Atmospheric, environmental, and Earth sciences: 3,697; 2. Computer and mathematical sciences: 903; 3. Physics and aerospace sciences: 5,691; 4. Chemistry: 4,796; 5. Biology and agriculture: 2,924; 6. Medicine: 3,069; 7. Engineering and general science: 9,992
Several names, such as Perry Mason and Robert Byrd are still on the list even though enviro press reports have ridiculed their identity with the names of famous personalities. They are actual signers. Perry Mason, for example, is a PhD Chemist
Several of the Articles in there seem to assume that no two people have the same name. They should be slapped for extreme stupidity.

Oh, come on. Don't. :rolleyes:
Coincidentally ... Aristotle, a fella you might've heard of, said this:
And tell me, what the heck does Aristotle have to do with Galileo again? Hmm? Or are taking random people through history and saying that because some are idiots we should reject Galileo?

Deep Throat

Edit: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh we said that already

See my previous post.

What the hell are you talking about?

1. Brevious did not say that.

Okay. Here's where I give up on you.

Within cinema itself, I'd say probably Metropolis or Gone with the Wind is the most influential. Outside, Birth of a Nation did a huge amount to bring about the re-emergence of the KKK.

Pulp Fiction

Within cinema itself, I'd say probably Metropolis or Gone with the Wind is the most influential. Outside, Birth of a Nation did a huge amount to bring about the re-emergence of the KKK.

Gone With The Wind isn't influential, its just highly acclaimed by critics... And won 10 Academy Awards

Pulp Fiction

Shut up

What the hell are you talking about?

I might ask the same of you?

Okay. Here's where I give up on you.
Good. :wink:

Beat that. (http://www.oism.org/pproject/)

You funny.

You have any idea how many scientists there are in the world?

"An Inconvenient Truth" has caused millions of people and in fact entire governments to believe in and in fact enact policy based on manipulated information and fantasy.

You're my hero.

You're my hero.

Shut up

You mean there are posters who aren't? :eek2:
I can't fathom it, myself. What's this forum coming to?

Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones :p

And tell me, what the heck does Aristotle have to do with Galileo again? Hmm? Or are taking random people through history and saying that because some are idiots we should reject Galileo?Nothing random about it - in fact, your last line there exemplifies that the appeal to the heliocentricism issue is quite antiquated, and there are already many degrees of knowledge and experience in use now that put your Galileo example off as ... well, antiquated and irrelevant to the discussion. Kinda why i said "don't", as in, don't use him as an example for this type of topic.

You funny.

You have any idea how many scientists there are in the world?

Especially since we're now considering surgeons to be experts on climate.

Within cinema itself, I'd say probably Metropolis or Gone with the Wind is the most influential.

What was so influential about Gone with the Wind?

1. Brevious did not say that.

No, i meant *exactly* that.
What i said was to research the forum archives. New Malachite Square did, and provided an example. Even,
A sample.
That's what i meant.

Especially since we're now considering surgeons to be experts on climate.Why not? Thousands of ignorant morons in the United States have considered people like Limblob, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, and the Bush Administration to be experts on it already? Unquestioningly, parrotingly, embarrassingly so. It would follow, as having lowered the bar, that at *least* surgeons, who *still* have more expertise in science than them, to be cited for reference.
My opinion is as valid as any scientist's.

Gone With The Wind isn't influential, its just highly acclaimed by critics... And won 10 Academy Awards

And convinced studio executives that you could make boatloads of money through cinema. . .

Think of it like the Harry Potter of its time: it isn't the best instance of the genre, nor is it in its constituent elements very influential; it's actually fairly conventional. But it makes so much money that it leads people to throw lots of money at the genre in order to repeat the success. Only difference is that the genre in the first case is children's fantasy literature, and in the second case it's the more general movie industry. That's its influence.

Even I know that technically, a film like Citizen Kane or Seven Samurai is far and away more influential for filmmakers.

Especially since we're now considering surgeons to be experts on climate.


It's okay, though - it's a long established fact that every American involved in any scientific field is totally conversant in every field, and can't be bought.

Right?

And convinced studio executives that you could make boatloads of money through cinema. . .


And why wouldn't they have been convinced by Snow White?

And why wouldn't they have been convinced by Snow White?

Because Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is unduplicable unless you're named Walt Disney, and Gone with the Wind isn't?

Snow White was the highest ranking movie for two years, and apparently made only about 14 million less in unadjusted dollars, but it's a zoological freak for its time: other studios more or less left the animated film business to Disney (Warner Brothers only branched into animated shorts), and you can't predict how well movies will do generally from the success of an animated film.

Shut up

You. I thought An Inconvenient Truth was a crap movie and that Al Gore is a charlatan. I'm from Nashville, the same place he's from, and we have to deal with his bullshit all the time. He's a joke here, especially because of his total inability to actually save energy. My dad's in the construction business and has talked to guys who have done work at his house -- apparently awhile back, he decided he was actually going to go green but a few months after doing it, had all of the guys back out to take his house back to the way it used to be. Now he uses an absolutely obscene amount of energy. He's so full of crap. Just seeing his face makes me seethe for days.

You. I thought An Inconvenient Truth was a crap movie and that Al Gore is a charlatan. I'm from Nashville, the same place he's from, and we have to deal with his bullshit all the time. He's a joke here, especially because of his total inability to actually save energy. My dad's in the construction business and has talked to guys who have done work at his house -- apparently awhile back, he decided he was actually going to go green but a few months after doing it, had all of the guys back out to take his house back to the way it used to be. Now he uses an absolutely obscene amount of energy. He's so full of crap. Just seeing his face makes me seethe for days.
But you certainly have the ability and grace to admit that he WASN'T the "inventor of global warming", right?

You funny.

You have any idea how many scientists there are in the world?
You're funny (I used proper grammar!)

You have any idea how many scientists, if polled one by one, support the opinion that Global Warming is caused by us?
Nothing random about it - in fact, your last line there exemplifies that the appeal to the heliocentricism issue is quite antiquated, and there are already many degrees of knowledge and experience in use now that put your Galileo example off as ... well, antiquated and irrelevant to the discussion. Kinda why i said "don't", as in, don't use him as an example for this type of topic.
I used him as an example of a scientist who had no affiliation with major scientific establishments of the day, and was right.
It's okay, though - it's a long established fact that every American involved in any scientific field is totally conversant in every field, and can't be bought.

Right?
It's also a long established fact that every scientist who believes that Global
warming is caused by humans is TOTALLY not doing just for the fame or the job.

Right?

You. I thought An Inconvenient Truth was a crap movie and that Al Gore is a charlatan. I'm from Nashville, the same place he's from, and we have to deal with his bullshit all the time. He's a joke here, especially because of his total inability to actually save energy. My dad's in the construction business and has talked to guys who have done work at his house -- apparently awhile back, he decided he was actually going to go green but a few months after doing it, had all of the guys back out to take his house back to the way it used to be. Now he uses an absolutely obscene amount of energy. He's so full of crap. Just seeing his face makes me seethe for days.
And, and-my cousin's wife's uncle totally knows a guy who said he met someone who totally saw him eat a baby!

You're funny (I used proper grammar!)

You have any idea how many scientists, if polled one by one, support the opinion that Global Warming is caused by us?

I used him as an example of a scientist who had no affiliation with major scientific establishments of the day, and was right.

It's also a long established fact that every scientist who believes that Global
warming is caused by humans is TOTALLY not doing just for the fame or the job.

Right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Because Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is unduplicable unless you're named Walt Disney, and Gone with the Wind isn't?

Snow White was the highest ranking movie for two years, and apparently made only about 14 million less in unadjusted dollars, but it's a zoological freak for its time: other studios more or less left the animated film business to Disney (Warner Brothers only branched into animated shorts), and you can't predict how well movies will do generally from the success of an animated film.

I don't think that follows. There was no reason to suggest that audiences would turn out in droves for animation but nothing else. And indeed that proved not to be the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

hey, if you people post the same links over and over again, I'll do the same!
http://www.oism.org/pproject/

I don't think that follows. There was no reason to suggest that audiences would turn out in droves for animation but nothing else. And indeed that proved not to be the case.

Maybe not, but that's how the industry operates. They didn't plan a summer blockbuster movie season, for instance, until Jaws and Star Wars demonstrated that a few huge hits and a lot of losing movies can be more profitable than a series of mid-performing movies.

Maybe not, but that's how the industry operates. They didn't plan a summer blockbuster movie season, for instance, until Jaws and Star Wars demonstrated that a few huge hits and a lot of losing movies can be more profitable than a series of mid-performing movies.

I don't agree that that's "how the industry operates" and even if it was, the way the industry worked in the 70s was hugely different from how it worked in the 40s.

hey, if you people post the same links over and over again, I'll do the same!
http://www.oism.org/pproject/

If those links were basketball players ours would be like 6'10 tall and yours would be maybe a tortoise or a mailbox.

hey, if you people post the same links over and over again, I'll do the same!
http://www.oism.org/pproject/You know, it could be that people want you to look at it just a smidge more scrutinisingly-like.

If those links were basketball players ours would be like 6'10 tall and yours would be maybe a tortoise or a mailbox.:D
Good one. Just saw this issue of a snapping turtle on Dead Man's Walk (McMurtry - terrible, like all the other movies in this series, but it at least has Gretchen Mol and Jennifer Garner in it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBdGtZJ8Xec

You. I thought An Inconvenient Truth was a crap movie and that Al Gore is a charlatan. I'm from Nashville, the same place he's from, and we have to deal with his bullshit all the time. He's a joke here, especially because of his total inability to actually save energy. My dad's in the construction business and has talked to guys who have done work at his house -- apparently awhile back, he decided he was actually going to go green but a few months after doing it, had all of the guys back out to take his house back to the way it used to be. Now he uses an absolutely obscene amount of energy. He's so full of crap. Just seeing his face makes me seethe for days.

So if he doesn't live up to his own ideals, that automatically invalidates all evidence on Global Warming? Attack the idea, not the man, if you want your arguments to be taken seriously.

Most influential movie? Well, it's been eleven years and people still won't shut up about FF7...

I don't agree that that's "how the industry operates" and even if it was, the way the industry worked in the 70s was hugely different from how it worked in the 40s.



If those links were basketball players ours would be like 6'10 tall and yours would be maybe a tortoise or a mailbox.
Man, those are some good mailboxes. I take it your basketball players are all in wheelchairs with broken arms?

Yeah, I've seen it. Hundreds of films have been made that involved marital infidelity though, and I'd never thought of that one as having had any significant effect. Actually, on reflection, I'll take that back since it's probably responsible for "bunny-boiler" entering the lexicon :)

Except none were so... credited by viewers in 'saving their marriages' nor one where women took their BF's and Hubbies to.

You're funny (I used proper grammar!)


You got me on grammar? Ah no! You automatically win!


You have any idea how many scientists, if polled one by one, support the opinion that Global Warming is caused by us?


No. And I couldn't care less.

However, I am an environmental scientist, by career and inclination - and have been following the Climate Change field of study for something approaching a decade and a half.

The consensus in the field is that climate change certainly has a major anthropogenic component.

I've been reading papers on climate change for 15 years, and I personally find the evidence pretty convincing - and so, apparently, do almost all the scientists, in almost every nation, that are connected to the field of environment or climate.


It's also a long established fact that every scientist who believes that Global
warming is caused by humans is TOTALLY not doing just for the fame or the job.


Sounds reasonable.

There is no glory to being one of the majority. On the other hand - being a 'rebel', and bucking the evidence, might grant you a certain 'martyr' status with people outside the field.

I've been reading papers on climate change for 15 years, and I personally find the evidence pretty convincing - and so, apparently, do almost all the scientists, in almost every nation, that are connected to the field of environment or climate.

But Conserative Morality has a "list" of "scientists" which "disagree" with you. From 1998.

Ha. I bet you feel like a fool now.

But Conserative Morality has a "list" of "scientists" which "disagree" with you. From 1998.

Ha. I bet you feel like a fool now.

Boy, is my face red.

Boy, is my face red.Nah, just your eyes. Avatar and all.

Nah, just your eyes. Avatar and all.

:)

Yeah, but "boy, are my eyes red" doesn't carry quite the same connotation.

:wink:

:)

Yeah, but "boy, are my eyes red" doesn't carry quite the same connotation.

:wink:I like it better in this context, m'self:
http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/1zzzzxa/dogs/dogneedle.jpg
Next avatar for me. *nods*

I like it better in this context, m'self:
http://www.cybersalt.org/cl_images/1zzzzxa/dogs/dogneedle.jpg
Next avatar for me. *nods*

He he... next avatar? You're looking a lil' naked in the avatar department, right about now.

You got me on grammar? Ah no! You automatically win!

You get bonus points if you use Latin in your post, too. Quod erat demonstrandum.

You get bonus points if you use Latin in your post, too. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Jeez. I'll get me coat.

Jeez. I'll get me coat.

I don't make the rules, I just follow them.

I don't make the rules, I just follow them.

:)

Ah, then we should use the official rules, shouldn't we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEYFE7e_R8

:)

Ah, then we should use the official rules, shouldn't we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGEYFE7e_R8

You just won the internet.





But lost the game.

You just won the internet.

But lost the game.

Statement, one-luv.

Which game? :)

Statement, one-luv.

Which game? :)

You don't know?

You don't know?

Should I?:wink:

Should I?:wink:

Who doesn't?

Who doesn't?

Is that a question?

How could it not be?

And convinced studio executives that you could make boatloads of money through cinema. . .

Think of it like the Harry Potter of its time: it isn't the best instance of the genre, nor is it in its constituent elements very influential; it's actually fairly conventional. But it makes so much money that it leads people to throw lots of money at the genre in order to repeat the success. Only difference is that the genre in the first case is children's fantasy literature, and in the second case it's the more general movie industry. That's its influence.

Even I know that technically, a film like Citizen Kane or Seven Samurai is far and away more influential for filmmakers.

I guess were talking about "capitalistically influential." Well, you're right there. I was talking more on the grounds of "morally/ethically influential."

Grave n idle & RhynoD - Quit the foreplay. :fluffle:

Grave n idle & RhynoD - Quit the foreplay. :fluffle:

Imperative. One-luv.

Imperative. One-luv.

I lolled out loud.

I lolled out loud.

Statement. One-all.