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http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html

This is really sickening. I was in the Navy and this violates everything that the Navy stood for; the ideals I value most of my time in the service. Clearly something has to be done.

Fortunately, I have a solution that will protect women in the service from sexual assault from men, or at least curtail the occurrence drastically: Homosexuality. *nod*

Why not just throw the offenders overboard?

"You raped someone, yea you're screwed."

Bring back hanging for Rape.

Problem solved.

Bring back hanging for Rape.

Problem solved.

Hang them by the penis and balls?

Why not just throw the offenders overboard?

"You raped someone, yea you're screwed."

because we have laws?

An equally interesting solution would be to ban all women from holding any sort of military position, or position in any organization that worked near the military.

because we have laws?

Even in International Waters?

An equally interesting solution would be to ban all women from holding any sort of military position, or position in any organization that worked near the military.

That's not very fair. They aren't doing the raping, now are they?

That's not very fair. They aren't doing the raping, now are they?

It takes two to do the Macarena. Or something.
Fie on rapees.

It takes two to do the Macarena. Or something.
Fie on rapees.

*Can't tell if you're being serious or joking*

It takes two to do the Macarena. Or something.
Fie on rapees.

Besides, there's still the men to consider. The vast majority of male on male rapes are committed by straight men. They are clearly bad for morale. *nod*

Even in international waters?
Yup. The UCMJ has universal jurisdiction over active members of the US military.

Banning women from serving not only hurts our military strength even more than banning gays (because the number of women > the number of gays), but it also plays into the hands of the misogynist cunts who think that women shouldn't serve in "this man's army/navy/air force/marines." Remember, sexual assault is rarely about some horny guy trying to get a piece of ass, (although a few likely do resort to it) it's more often motivated by misogyny or at least a general desire for domination.

If the OP is advocating allowing gays in the military, he's preaching to the choir - 90% of NSG is pretty liberal. Almost all of us are for letting gays in the military, even those of us who are or were in the military.

Bann-ed is wrong. We should ban men from the military. After all, they're the ones doing all the sexual assault, aren't they? <.<

An equally interesting solution would be to ban all women from holding any sort of military position, or position in any organization that worked near the military.
Then you agree with the OP that the solution is homosexuality? *remembers "Meet the Spartans", hums "I Will Survive"*

An equally interesting solution would be to ban all women from holding any sort of military position, or position in any organization that worked near the military.

Here's a better idea than punishing women for being so gosh darn tempting: punish the jackasses who rape them. Further, get rid of all restrictions on what roles women can have in the military. Encourage promotion of women to positions of power. Get rid of the "old boys' club" attitude in the military so that women might actually have other women to report assaults to. Further, create an independent office to whom rapes and assaults can be reported, and who will also come down hard on any officers who brush off such reports.

Bann-ed is wrong. We should ban men from the military. After all, they're the ones doing all the sexual assault, aren't they? <.<
Good point. The military would probably get a load more work done in a day, too.

Give all females and gays this!

http://www.rapestop.net/

Bann-ed is wrong. We should ban men from the military. After all, they're the ones doing all the sexual assault, aren't they? <.<

Ban straight men. Gay men should be eligible for waivers with good character references. *nod*

*Can't tell if you're being serious or joking*
I mentioned the Macarena. The MACARENA.
Besides, there's still the men to consider. The vast majority of male on male rapes are committed by straight men. They are clearly bad for morale. *nod*
I'm trying to figure out whether or not to laugh at those straight men committing male on male rapes, buy them some glasses, or beat them up....:confused:
Bann-ed is wrong. We should ban men from the military. After all, they're the ones doing all the sexual assault, aren't they? <.<
You know as well as I that men are the backbone of the military. Women can't handle the stresses of combat. They can't even fight off sexual assailants for goodness sake...
Then you agree with the OP that the solution is homosexuality? *remembers "Meet the Spartans", hums "I Will Survive"*
Maybe?

I mentioned the Macarena. The MACARENA.

I'm trying to figure out whether or not to laugh at those straight men committing male on male rapes, buy them some glasses, or beat them up....:confused:

Why not all three?

I mentioned the Macarena. The MACARENA.

I'm trying to figure out whether or not to laugh at those straight men committing male on male rapes, buy them some glasses, or beat them up....:confused:

You know as well as I that men are the backbone of the military. Women can't handle the stresses of combat. They can't even fight off sexual assailants for goodness sake...

Maybe?

Why not do all of the above?

Why not all three?

Why not do all of the above?

Agh! What is this an interrogation!?
Can or can't a man be indecisive around here?!
I don't know!

Fortunately, I have a solution that will protect women in the service from sexual assault from men, or at least curtail the occurrence drastically: Homosexuality. *nod*

Are you proposing some sort of homosexuality inducing drug or weapon? A gay ray so to speak? :p

Are you proposing some sort of homosexuality inducing drug or weapon? A gay ray so to speak? :p

Fun at parties! :D

Give all females and gays this!

http://www.rapestop.net/

....because it's only the gay men who get raped?

....because it's only the gay men who get raped?

Well, gay men are more likely than straight men to get raped by men, and straight men are far more likely than gay men to rape men. But straight men raping other straight men does happen from time to time. But how many straight men are likely to want one of those devices?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html

This is really sickening. I was in the Navy and this violates everything that the Navy stood for; the ideals I value most of my time in the service. Clearly something has to be done.

Fortunately, I have a solution that will protect women in the service from sexual assault from men, or at least curtail the occurrence drastically: Homosexuality. *nod*

I'm afraid there's a problem with your solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZuK_wYrqp8) It could potentially cause all of mankind to join shambling ranks of the undead :p

An equally interesting solution would be to ban all women from holding any sort of military position, or position in any organization that worked near the military.

Because the solution to abuse is to remove the victim. After all, if they have no rights, we don't have to worry about protecting those rights, right?

My logic is perfect. I dare you to deny it.:)

I'm afraid there's a problem with your solution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZuK_wYrqp8) It could potentially cause all of mankind to join shambling ranks of the undead :p

Grotesque yet Fabulous!

Because the solution to abuse is to remove the victim. After all, if they have no rights, we don't have to worry about protecting those rights, right?

My logic is perfect. I dare you to deny it.:)

And so to prevent murder, we remove the victims, by killing them first. Brilliant! Let's start with you.

And so to prevent murder, we remove the victims, by killing them first. Brilliant! Let's start with you.

We could also eliminate abortions by sterilizing everyone. *nod*

I remember listening to some woman who was complaining about the fact that women crewmembers were aboard her husband's ship (he being an officer). She was bitching because she thought that the Navy was being irresponsible by putting temptation in the way of the men. When I commented that I thought that adults should be able to control themselves and that, if they couldn't, they had no business being in charge of large machines and big guns, she got pissed at me.

Sounds pretty insecure in her marrige.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html

This is really sickening. I was in the Navy and this violates everything that the Navy stood for; the ideals I value most of my time in the service. Clearly something has to be done.

Fortunately, I have a solution that will protect women in the service from sexual assault from men, or at least curtail the occurrence drastically: Homosexuality. *nod*

That is horrible and outright disgusting. It sickens me, too.

There has to be something that can be done to stop this. But I just don't know what...

Here's a better idea than punishing women for being so gosh darn tempting: punish the jackasses who rape them. Further, get rid of all restrictions on what roles women can have in the military. Encourage promotion of women to positions of power. Get rid of the "old boys' club" attitude in the military so that women might actually have other women to report assaults to. Further, create an independent office to whom rapes and assaults can be reported, and who will also come down hard on any officers who brush off such reports.
See, guys, Poli is smarter than I am. She came up with a solution. We'll do this!

I will push for this as much as I can for my entire career in the military and all I can after that. I will see this happen, one way or another.

Hang them by the penis and balls?

Castrate rapist's.


Now that's a deterrent.

Castrate rapist's.


Now that's a deterrent.

No, there isn't. Apart from being barbaric and purely punishment based(which is the worst way to run a criminal justice system) it doesn't even work, because rape is almost always about having power or domination over someone rather than the physical act of sex itself.

No, there isn't. Apart from being barbaric and purely punishment based(which is the worst way to run a criminal justice system) it doesn't even work, because rape is almost always about having power or domination over someone rather than the physical act of sex itself.

Barbaric yes, and so is the crime. For repeat offenders, I say it could work.

Castrate rapist's.

How would you go about castrating a woman? :tongue:

Equality an' all that.


ps. What the US army needs is more women raping men - That way the issue of raping would be resolved much more quickly :p

No, there isn't. Apart from being barbaric and purely punishment based(which is the worst way to run a criminal justice system) it doesn't even work, because rape is almost always about having power or domination over someone rather than the physical act of sex itself.

You see... you are looking at it wrong - which head do you remove?

I vote for small for first offence, large for second offense...

Any triple offenders... well... start that religion if we have to.

Barbaric yes, and so is the crime. For repeat offenders, I say it could work.
The barbarity of the crime is totally irrelevant to the punishment, especially if the punishment is to be doled out by those claiming to be morally superior. (Seriously, this hypocrisy always pisses me off, when people claim to be morally superior and then never actually act morally superior.)

But no, it wouldn't work. It can't work because the very nature of the punishment does not address why the rape is being performed.

also... before you are worried - many people say my moral and ethical position is, if not unique, at least rare...

You see... you are looking at it wrong - which head do you remove?

I vote for small for first offence, large for second offense...

Any triple offenders... well... start that religion if we have to.

No, I'm not.

Criminal justice throughout the centuries in various socities has constantly proven again and again that pure punishment, deterrent, and so on does not eliminate crime, and--in many cases, such as the death penalty for murder--can sometimes even INCREASE the crime.

You solve crime not by punishment and deterrent, but by figuring out why people would commit the crime, and then preventing the causes in the first place. For those already committing crimes, rehabilitation in various forms should be applied. (Please note that rehabilitation is a word that covers an extremely wide field and the idea of it is to prevent reoffenses, and that someone successfully rehabilitated would not want to reoffend. It's not about "hugs and kisses" as some people would accuse it of.)

how about corporal punishment then?
Floggings and such?

There is at least one school in this city that still has corporal punishment for students who break school rules, and as far as i can tell it has less violations that other schools...

Of course its been a while since i was in school so these rates may have changed...

You solve crime not by punishment and deterrent, but by figuring out why people would commit the crime, and then preventing the causes in the first place. For those already committing crimes, rehabilitation in various forms should be applied. (Please note that rehabilitation is a word that covers an extremely wide field and the idea of it is to prevent reoffenses, and that someone successfully rehabilitated would not want to reoffend. It's not about "hugs and kisses" as some people would accuse it of.)

Indentured harsh labor has always been a useful way of teaching one the value of hard work, repaying society's debt, as well as drumming in a lesson about abiding the law and why.

Although ironic punishments may also be just as suitable.

Here's a better idea than punishing women for being so gosh darn tempting: punish the jackasses who rape them. Further, get rid of all restrictions on what roles women can have in the military. Encourage promotion of women to positions of power. Get rid of the "old boys' club" attitude in the military so that women might actually have other women to report assaults to. Further, create an independent office to whom rapes and assaults can be reported, and who will also come down hard on any officers who brush off such reports.

So if the stats in the article are correct, that 41% of women have been assaulted in this way, do you think the military could handle losing maybe a third of all their troops? Not saying you're wrong but the solution is hardly simple.