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Here's the trailer for Oliver Stone's W.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyJ2kdaaTQ

Think it'll be any good?

If I were Stone I would have waited at least a year after W is out of office. It just looks political now, regardless of it's content.

Hopefully though it shows Dubya's part in the foreign oil operation in his early years which saw locals run off their land and murdered.

Here's the trailer for Oliver Stone's W.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyJ2kdaaTQ

Think it'll be any good?

If it's anything like Nixon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113987/)...no.

If it's anything like Nixon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113987/)...no.

Or 'Alexander'.

If I were Stone I would have waited at least a year after W is out of office. It just looks political now, regardless of it's content.

That is exactly why he is releasing it just before the election.

That is exactly why he is releasing it just before the election.
Proof?

Proof?

Past performance, JFK, Nixon etc. Why wouldn' he wait until after?

Or 'Alexander'.

True...but at least that movie gave us Rosario Dawson to look at. :tongue:

True...but at least that movie gave us Rosario Dawson to look at. :tongue:

Was that the Persian chick? (if so I agree)

As a rule, I don't expect good movies out of Oli Stone.

I'll rent it.

The bad thing about this movie is that it's hindsight isn't going to be that great, if he could have waited till Bush was out of office then he would have been able to do the 'downfall' part.

It seems a little... awkward.

The bad thing about this movie is that it's hindsight isn't going to be that great, if he could have waited till Bush was out of office then he would have been able to do the 'downfall' part.

What downfall?

It wouldn't matter if he had a 90% approval rating, come January 4th he would still cease to be President of the United States

Haha...Ioan Gruffudd (Reed Richards of Fantastic 4) is Tony Blair.

What downfall?

It wouldn't matter if he had a 90% approval rating, come January 4th he would still cease to be President of the United States

WOOOOOOO! *Parties*

So Oliver Stone has once again re-written history in his own image and put it on film, so what else is new.

It will be as bad as Nixon, Alexandar and The Reagans and as factually accurate as JFK.

If I were Stone I would have waited at least a year after W is out of office. It just looks political now, regardless of it's content.

Hopefully though it shows Dubya's part in the foreign oil operation in his early years which saw locals run off their land and murdered.

you realize that there is no proof of that right?

And for your first point, I would like to note that this is an entirely political film.

If I were Stone I would have waited at least a year after W is out of office. It just looks political now, regardless of it's content. I agree with this statement.

Past performance, JFK, Nixon etc. Why wouldn' he wait until after? because people who know G.W. Bush are still alive. far more that those who knew JFK and Nixon personally.

What downfall?

It wouldn't matter if he had a 90% approval rating, come January 4th he would still cease to be President of the United States

Jan. 20th, actually. Every single day that goes by with him still occupying the White House will probably feel more unbearable as the end gets near.

The person who cast this movie needs to be shot in the head multiple times. At least have ONE actor look like the person they're playing.

Probably not.

The person who cast this movie needs to be shot in the head multiple times. At least have ONE actor look like the person they're playing.
Tony Blair is particularly unconvincing :D

Haha...Ioan Gruffudd (Reed Richards of Fantastic 4) is Tony Blair.
That tickled me pink also.

The person who cast this movie needs to be shot in the head multiple times. At least have ONE actor look like the person they're playing.
It's not about the looks.

Would you sit through a two hour movie of perfect look-a-likes who couldn't act for shit?

That is exactly why he is releasing it just before the election.

mabe he's hoping to pursuade peoples oppinon before the election.

It's not about the looks.

Would you sit through a two hour movie of perfect look-a-likes who couldn't act for shit?

Does James Cromwell really need to play the President... again?

Does James Cromwell really need to play the President... again?
He's quite a good actor, so why not?

Michael Sheen played Blair in a number of different dramatisations, including the excellent (though at times inaccurate) The Deal.

w?what kind of halfassed name is that?''this winter,'w'.a thrilling story of a letter''

w?what kind of halfassed name is that?''this winter,'w'.a thrilling story of a letter''

Maybe they should have spelled it out.

That tickled me pink also.

All is as it should be.

Jan. 20th, actually. Every single day that goes by with him still occupying the White House will probably feel more unbearable as the end gets near.

Details, details, despite of when it is my point still stands, Bush has no downfall awaiting him.

Thank you for correcting my knowledge by the way.

mabe he's hoping to pursuade peoples oppinon before the election.

Which is exactly why it is being released for political means.

back and to the left

back and to the left

You rock, my friend.

If it's anything like Nixon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113987/)...no.

Nixon actually had a good Anthony Hopkins performance trapped in a middling script and horribly overblown direction. (Plus the most hackneyed visual symbolism ever. Look, they're talking about the death toll in Vietnam and now there's a shot of an excessively bloody steak! That's, like, <toke> so deep, man...) I don't know how Oliver Stone continues to get great actors for his movies considering that all his recent projects have been expensive blah. He might help to make some great films if he just assembled the cast, came up with the concept, and then found somebody better to write & direct.

That said, the trailer looks kind of interesting, and if I hadn't been burned by Stone so many times, I would consider going to see the movie. But you know what they say, five times burned, six times shy.

The person who cast this movie needs to be shot in the head multiple times. At least have ONE actor look like the person they're playing.

Condi, Rumsfeld and Cheney all look pretty good. Not Forest-Whitaker-as-Idi-Amin good, but solid.

The person who cast this movie needs to be shot in the head multiple times. At least have ONE actor look like the person they're playing.

Fail.

Also irrelevant. You need actors, not look-alikes. The two are seldom the same person.

back and to the left

:rolleyes:

Yet another reminder that Stone chooses his facts and ignores others.

Richard Dreyfuss as Dick Cheney -- I like it, especially after his role in The American President (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112346/). I think Thandie Newton (yummy!) as Condi Rice might work -- she's an excellent actress -- but they must have had to darken her complexion quite a bit. Ellen Burstyn works as Babsy Bush at least on the surface. We'll just have to see how good these actors really are. Intriguing.

Since I never actually seen an Oliver Stone film, I may go see this one.

Haha...Ioan Gruffudd (Reed Richards of Fantastic 4) is Tony Blair.

Worst possible casting ever! That doesn't even look like Blair!!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

(Yeah, I used the noob smilies, but that's how I feel about the bad casting)

Worst possible casting ever! That doesn't even look like Blair!!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

(Yeah, I used the noob smilies, but that's how I feel about the bad casting)

Does that really matter all that much? Can the guy ACT like Blair is the better question. If he can, your mind will dismiss the incongruity in the resemblance.

That said, the Fantastic Four movies weren't exactly encouraging on that front. At least James Cromwell (playing Bush, Sr.) has the skill to pull that role off.

I hated World Trade Center, which is his only movie I've seen. It was melodramatic, loaded with heavy-handed symbolism. I may see this, but I don't expect it to be good. If anything, it'll seem so bad it'll cause sympathy votes for the Republicans.

I hated World Trade Center, which is his only movie I've seen. It was melodramatic, loaded with heavy-handed symbolism. I may see this, but I don't expect it to be good. If anything, it'll seem so bad it'll cause sympathy votes for the Republicans.

You're assuming a huge number of people are actually going to watch this.

Since I never actually seen an Oliver Stone film, I may go see this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVnArp9ZE0&feature=related

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I thought 'Commandante' was good (hey isn't that still banned in America?)

Does that really matter all that much? Can the guy ACT like Blair is the better question. If he can, your mind will dismiss the incongruity in the resemblance.

That said, the Fantastic Four movies weren't exactly encouraging on that front. At least James Cromwell (playing Bush, Sr.) has the skill to pull that role off.

Yeah but they could have hired the guy that played Tony in "the Queen".

I thought 'Commandante' was good (hey isn't that still banned in America?)
It wasn't banned. It wasn't released in THEATERS willingly by Oliver Stone because of pressure from anti-Castro Cuban Americans. Speaking of which, I just ordered a copy off of Amazon. *Hopes it is good*

Worst possible casting ever! That doesn't even look like Blair!!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

(Yeah, I used the noob smilies, but that's how I feel about the bad casting)

And considering the Fantastic Four movies are what he's known for, that's not exactly encouraging.