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It's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot by opinions of Global Climate Change, but I've always wondered; what exactly is this conspiracy suppose to be, and what does it hope to gain by lying?

It's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot by opinions of Global Climate Change, but I've always wondered; what exactly is this conspiracy suppose to be, and what does it hope to gain by lying?

Power...What else could all this conspiring and lying be for. :rolleyes:

'Fraid I've never heard or used the phrase, nor anything related to it, despite believing that Climate Change is natural.

The bourgeois are desperate to make the working class pay for the ecological disaster which the overproduction of capital accumulation has caused, they don't want to have to pay for the massive losses incurred by GW on their industry.

'Eco-conspiracy'?
Thats the best conspiracy ever.

I hear Gaia is their ringleader.

'Eco-conspiracy'?
Thats the best conspiracy ever.

*picks up phychic reception* All hail the master hippy! Please all wise master of the human race and ruler of the New World Order! Convey your wise wisdom to us!

I've never heard anyone use that term, but it means that they use GW as a way to get taxes/whatever out of people by scaring them.

It's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot by opinions of Global Climate Change, but I've always wondered; what exactly is this conspiracy suppose to be, and what does it hope to gain by lying?

Uh?

Opinions in favour of the existance of GCC, or against the existance of GCC?

...this consipiracy is supposed to by by whom? By those (supposedly) pro-conspiracy or by those (supposedly) anti-conspiracy? By the let's-clean-side or by the let's-pollute-side?

...does IT hope to gain... who? The subject appears to be "conspiracy"... do consipracies have hopes?
Meh. I cannot even work out the meaning of the OP.

easy, the fascists environmentalist eco-terrorists have much to gain from promulgating the global warming scare.

such as more trees, less pollution, and a generally more efficient fuel economy.

The trees made them do it! :D

have those naughty 'left wing' carbon atoms been conspiring with the ozone layer again?

the only lie is the right wing loonacy of denying an objectively observable reality that is a real and eminent danger to the entire web of life, because it is an inconvenience to the afinity of little green pieces of paper for more little green pieces of paper.

=^^=
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easy, the fascists environmentalist eco-terrorists have much to gain from promulgating the global warming scare.

such as more trees, less pollution, and a generally more expensive fuel economy, Combined with a near-total destruction of the current factory system.
I'm saying this about all enviromentalists, but there's one group that you cannot deny this about.

ELF.:D

It's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot by opinions of Global Climate Change, but I've always wondered; what exactly is this conspiracy suppose to be, and what does it hope to gain by lying?

The conspiracy:
http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/idt20041207consensus.gif

As for "what to gain", I doubt even the conspiracy supporters know.

I've never heard that phrase, ever.

It's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot by opinions of Global Climate Change, but I've always wondered; what exactly is this conspiracy suppose to be, and what does it hope to gain by lying?

Quite simple. All the Marxist/Fascist policies that leftists would love to implement through normal, political means can be implemented by making them "cures" for the impending environmental doom, DOOM!, that is about to occur. Hence the term "watermelon": green on the outside and red on the inside.

It is understood by these people that fear and ignorance are the only ways to sneak their agendas into place. Check out how closely Marxist/Fascist organizations tie themselves with environmental alarmism.

The conspiracy:
http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/idt20041207consensus.gif

As for "what to gain", I doubt even the conspiracy supporters know.

Funny thing is, a lot of scientists don't accept that GW is caused by us. http://www.oism.org/pproject/

I don't think there's a conspiracy. I just think there's a lot of ignorance to both sides of the argument.

Quite simple. All the Marxist/Fascist policies that leftists would love to implement through normal, political means can be implemented by making them "cures" for the impending environmental doom, DOOM!, that is about to occur. Hence the term "watermelon": green on the outside and red on the inside.

It is understood by these people that fear and ignorance are the only ways to sneak their agendas into place. Check out how closely Marxist/Fascist organizations tie themselves with environmental alarmism.

Actaully, one of the main problems of the environmental movement in the beginnings was the labour movement. Environmental awareness and practices require a change in the way manufacturing and natural resource extraction take place. This, in turn, endangers job security for those people who are employed in environmentally destructive industries. This really pisses the unions off.

"vast left wing eco-conspiracy" actually sounds stupider than the 9/11 conspiracies.

That's quite a feat...

What I mean (my apologize on not replying earlier, my internet was messed up) is, sometimes in discussions, conservatives will throw out something like "oh, Al Gore is an alarmist," or "all the scientists are lying" (as that comic humorously shows) or suggest that liberals are trying to push Global Climate change as part of their agenda, or such.

But why?

I mean, with some conspiracy theorists, like those who believe that Aliens are secretly controlling the governments, or that 9/11 was caused by the US Government to give a reason to invade the middle east, in general, have some sort of reason for the conspiracy 'existing', such as hording alien technologies.

So, why would Al Gore want to alarm the public? Why would a Scientist (or rather all scientists) falsify data?

I take it back, they DO have a (rather ridiculous) reason for declaring a vast left-wing eco-conspiracy.

http://www.idrewthis.org/comics/idt20050311rapture.gif

Okay, I confess, I made up global warming. It was all me. I faked the data. I wrote the scientific papers and "peer-reviewed" them under false names. Al Gore is an animatronic puppet that I inserted into the American electoral system to provide credibility and name recognition to the "cause". I manufactured this entire global crisis and debate over the last decade for the sole purpose of recording it and putting it on YouTube.

You know. For lulz.

A healthy environment with clean air and water, now there's a concept worth pursuing.

there's one group that you cannot deny this about.

ELF.:Dhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency ?
http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2003/images/Elf_poster.jpg ?

That reminds me of how the KKK is the best representation of religious fundamentalism.

"vast left wing eco-conspiracy" actually sounds stupider than the 9/11 conspiracies.

That's quite a feat...
Could be because it actually *is* stupider.

I'm saying this about all enviromentalists, but there's one group that you cannot deny this about.

ELF.:D

ELF are pretty wacky, but I believe in America they actually burnt down some wealthy development, so for that much they are ok.

I don't think there's a conspiracy. I just think there's a lot of ignorance to both sides of the argument.
That's because, as is so often the case, people who don't have any business qualifying their argument as anything more than conjecture somehow are making appealing emotional cases to other idiots who already saw it that way in the first place. Had a terse conversation of sorts today as well.
Good thing there's such an appreciative media outlet to facilitate it, one that so clearly is "fair and balanced".

ELF are pretty wacky, but I believe in America they actually burnt down some wealthy development, so for that much they are ok.Are you being filed away in the "satire" section of NS history? Just askin'.

Hence the term "watermelon": green on the outside and red on the inside..
I am red on the inside and outside. Anyone who is a Communist and would not proudly wear that label is a coward.

I am a Communist.

Are you being filed away in the "satire" section of NS history? Just askin'.

Just saying, those kinda acts are good because they focus attention on the class struggle in the local area.

Just saying, those kinda acts are good because they focus attention on the class struggle in the local area.I don't mean you misrepresent this particular issue, so much as you represent *every* particular issue of late as a class struggle issue. Or at least, it seems to be that way. Not swaying much from message.

I don't mean you misrepresent this particular issue, so much as you represent *every* particular issue of late as a class struggle issue. Or at least, it seems to be that way. Not swaying much from message.
What, are you accusing me of thinking like a Marxist?

What, are you accusing me of thinking like a Marxist?
Satire it is, then.

Quite simple. All the Marxist/Fascist policies that leftists would love to implement through normal, political means can be implemented by making them "cures" for the impending environmental doom, DOOM!, that is about to occur. Hence the term "watermelon": green on the outside and red on the inside.

It is understood by these people that fear and ignorance are the only ways to sneak their agendas into place. Check out how closely Marxist/Fascist organizations tie themselves with environmental alarmism.

Fear and ignorance pretty much explains how we got into Iraq. So yeah, you've hit the nail on the head with that observation. Just make sure you're honest with yourself and apply the concept to both sides.

What, are you accusing me of thinking like a Marxist?
Satire it is, then.

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Now, that was 160 years ago, but still.

The Dutch are causing GW so that the ice-caps will melt, and the Dutch will raise the massive secret dams that they have constructed in preparation and survive behind them while the rest of the world drowns. Then, when the waters recede, they will take all the land of the world from its drowned former owners.

I am more than willing to believe the earth is warming, I am highly skeptical of theory that man made emissions are the cause.

There is no single organized "conspiracy" attempting to promote the claim that there is such a thing as man made global warming. However, the are any number of people promoting the theory for any number of reasons ranging from true belief in the correctness of the theory (some of the scientists studying it) to advancing a political agenda that seeks to weaken the economy of various industrial nations (ELF type groups) to people who simply want recognition and/or power (Al Gore).

ELF are pretty wacky, but I believe in America they actually burnt down some wealthy development, so for that much they are ok.

No they are terrorists. I heard one of the housing developers was a commie.

What they hope to gain is power. This is what people use government for after all.

Whether or not global warming or climate change or whatever you want to call has anything to do with man and his habits is rather besides the point. I am left wondering why all the options to get man off of oil that are approved by these "eco-conspiracy fascists" seem to move man's technological progress backwards by at least a hundred years. This bothers me because we have access to existing technologies that might lower our pollution with minimalize the loss and potentially greater the gain of being weaned off of oil and non-renewable resources.

For example, take an air compressor, an air turbine (modified steam turbine), and a battery (car battery preferably) and with a little hard work and dedication we could have cars that essentially run off air.

No they are terrorists.
You say that as if it's a bad thing.

It's all for the ebil 'Green tax' of course. (Seriously I've been stuck in an online version of rightwing city for the past few days)

You say that as if it's a bad thing.Moreover, s/he said "commie" as if it's a bad thing.
We both know the real bad thing in the statement is "housing developer".

I am more than willing to believe the earth is warming, I am highly skeptical of theory that man made emissions are the cause.
What will help, then, is when (you) stop relying solely on a belief system and start working with clear evidence. What conclusions do you think might come about if more people did that instead?
Is your belief quantified by experience and evidence?

Just make sure you're honest with yourself and apply the concept to both sides.

But that would suggest that he would truly have insight in complicated matters instead of just picking up an opinion from some loudmouth from Fox News Network or a similar source. What makes you think he can actually do that?

There is no conspiracy, at least not in that sense...

Leftists pan to special interest groups who hype up global warming for government grants...

Rightists pan to conglomerates by trying to convince everyone that nothings goin on and everythings fine for the large corporate entities who wish to continue making profits without hassle ...

Both in the name of more votes, more power, and more profits...

The Dutch are causing GW so that the ice-caps will melt, and the Dutch will raise the massive secret dams that they have constructed in preparation and survive behind them while the rest of the world drowns. Then, when the waters recede, they will take all the land of the world from its drowned former owners.

We are? Wow, now that's an impressive diabolical scheme.

It's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot by opinions of Global Climate Change, but I've always wondered; what exactly is this conspiracy suppose to be, and what does it hope to gain by lying?

Simple, trees are trying to take over the world.