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Well I have had a couple of beers and now I am sat at home watching Donovan's Reef and I find myself wondering - was John Wayne actually sexually attractive to anyone? Now being a straight male I am probably not the one to judge - but it seems easy to me to understand that Robert Mitchum might be attractive to women but John Wayne hell no.

Guys like John Wayne don't gather kudos from the opposite sex because of their looks. They get it for being who they are. Confident, strong, macho. They are portrayed as the kind of person who takes shit from NOBODY and I know a lot of ladies who find that stuff attractive.

It's the same thing that makes him a role model for guys, and the reason he mad the Man Show Hall of Fame. He's manly, plain and simple, with everything that comes with it.

Lee Marvin is also in the film and I would have thought if macho was what buttered your muffin Lee Marvin trumps John Wayne any day.

John Wayne was so hard he dodged the draft in case he won the war single handedly.

John Wayne was not a very good actor and his presence in movies kinda lessens their impact on me. He's inauthentic and over-broad. He's an iconic stereotype to me, but I didn't grow up with him. Older people, without benefit of Wayne's veneration as the macho archetype after his retirement and then death, probably have a better angle on him than I do.

It's kinda like how younger people almost refuse to revere legendary artists of any kind. As a music professor, I find myself less and less able to use The Beatles as a musical reference anymore. It's sad, but completely understandable. Nobody reveres the Ink Spots or The Four Freshmen anymore, despite the fact that both acts were extremely talented and popular in their day.

Sorry about the dissertation.

He does nothing for me.

My mother in law thought he was hot, she would be thirty to forty years younger than he was I think... She collects John Wayne memorabilia from all over the place, plates with his picture on it etc.,. I assume it is during "The Quiet Man" era and younger period that she became attracted to him, but she says now that he was hot it almost everything he made with Maureen O'Hara and what not.

I heard he had worse breath than Rhett Butler.
Probably had something to do with all the republican fellatio/scatmunching/spewing.

Guys like John Wayne don't gather kudos from the opposite sex because of their looks. They get it for being who they are. Confident, strong, macho. They are portrayed as the kind of person who takes shit from NOBODY and I know a lot of ladies who find that stuff attractive.

Pretty much this. Hence the continuing appeal of Humphrey Bogart, who is not only funny-looking but has the first name "Humphrey", which is another impediment to hawtness.

That said, John Wayne's charisma hasn't aged well in comparison to some of his contemporaries, perhaps because his main appeal as a leading man was to the men who wanted to be him, rather than the women (and men) who wanted to snog him. Personally, he leaves me cold.

Pretty much this. Hence the continuing appeal of Humphrey Bogart, who is not only funny-looking but has the first name "Humphrey", which is another impediment to hawtness.... how about the name, "Marion"?

... how about the name, "Marion"?

Worse than "Humphrey", true. I think he could have made it work if he wasn't "Marion Morrison". The alliteration is the real killer. Some sort of macho last name...Marion Armstrong...Marion Deathkill...Marion Thunderpants...something like that I can see working.

Marion Thunderpants...something like that I can see working.That was it. Hawtness it be.

I'd bang him. But I'd rather bang Antonio Banderas.

I'd bang him. But I'd rather bang Antonio Banderas.Oh COME ON.
Play It To The Bone, bro.

Oh COME ON.
Play It To The Bone, bro.

Zorro is sexy [/sexy spanish accent]. If he had the mask and hat on, I'd let him do me any which way he pleased.

Zorro is sexy [/sexy spanish accent]. If he had the mask and hat on, I'd let him do me any which way he pleased.I'd be more discriminating than you, obviously .... he'd just HAVE to have that whip.

i never found john wayne the least bit sexy.

I'd be more discriminating than you, obviously .... he'd just HAVE to have that whip.

So what's wrong with the whip?

So what's wrong with the whip?
Nothing - that's what would make it *right*.

Nothing - that's what would make it *right*.

Make it a combo with buttless chaps, and you've got a real winner.

Make it a combo with buttless chaps, and you've got a real winner.
Sounds like your describing one of the local weather news-casters, who had a stint on today's radio show about product placement in broadcasts. He didn't originally know he was going to be featured on the show in reference to buttless chaps, nor the ball-gag, nor the zipper mask, but he made his opinion known live on the show after reading an appreciative email sent to him by some other zealous listeners to the show.
Ayup.

Sounds like your describing one of the local weather news-casters, who had a stint on today's radio show about product placement in broadcasts. He didn't originally know he was going to be featured on the show in reference to buttless chaps, nor the ball-gag, nor the zipper mask, but he made his opinion known live on the show after reading an appreciative email sent to him by some other zealous listeners to the show.
Ayup.

Oh lawd.

John Wayne was definitely a masculine archtype. He embodied strength, reliability, morality, patriotism - all kinds of "masculine" virtues. He was the 40s and 50s version of Rambo, all Schwartzenneger parts, Bruce Willis in Die Hard - basically all the caricatures of masculinity that are still present in the movies. As long as he played the strong, silent American, he was fine (When they cast him as Ghengis Kahn or a Roman Centurion, they did him and the movie a disservice). But like all caricatures, he was pretty sexless.

(I grew up in the fifties and sixties on a pretty steady diet of John Wayne movies)

I would but I'm a slut.

I would but I'm a slut.What you say is very interesting. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

John Wayne's not supposed to be sexy. John Wayne's about stagecoaches, killing Japs and indians, fighting oil fires, shooting crooks and getting revenge. Any romantic subplot is incidental - they could all be cut, and the same movie would remain, with the possible exception of The Quiet Man, which I thought was lousy.

Oh lawd.
Oh lawd is right. I can't f*ckin' believe i missed that "your". :mad:

the image of his proffessional persona was crap. machismo is overcompensation for a wide range of insecurities. in his private life, he was in many ways a VERY different, and actually quite a bit MORE respectable of a person.

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I would but I'm a slut.

You can join in with Antonio Banderas and me.